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- On April 4th, 2018 at 0954, An Embry-Riddle Piper Arrow, Riddle 106, had a wing depart from the aircraft midair while performing touch and goes on runway 25L at KDAB. Both occupants, an ERAU student and an FAA Check Airman, were killed. The following communications shows the confusion that pursues after Daytona loses comms with Riddle 106 in the traffic pattern. The cause of the wing departure is still being investigated by the NTSB. Thoughts and prayers to the families and all who were affected.
Audio source: LiveATC.net
NTSB Investigation Report:
www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/era18fa120.aspx
NTSB Investigation update:
www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20180515.aspx
Huh, I just noticed that, thanks for pointing that out
Gonna guess unreported overstress, as one other plane exhibited cracking in the spar, and nine did not. When I was learning to fly, I bought my own plane as soon as I discovered how students abused (through incompetence, mostly) the flight school's rental aircraft.
The NTSB has no record of it. There is a 1972 record of an in-flight airframe failure. Considering the numbers of these planes, there's no intrinsic issue if the plane is operated as designed and checked for corrosion.
A 10 year old aircraft used for training with a lot of hour compared to a privately owned plane (even a 40 year old one). And probably many times the landings of those planes which is where cracking probably starts.
KitFox62
The checkairman that was in the plane is probably one if not the best pilot I’ve ever flown with. He gave me my checkrides as a student pilot at comair aviation academy out of Sanford. He was certified in numerous turbine aircraft and also acted as a chief pilot, check airman in those aircraft as well. I was privileged to have flown with him as well as being mentored by him at my time there. He will be missed!
In all my time at riddle, this is the day I remember the most. I’ve never seen such a sad campus. Rest Easy Gentlemen.
Have you ever heard about unauthorized acro in the arrows at Riddle in your time there? Lots of rumors im hearing from riddle grads... trying to see if theres any truth
I appreciate all the comments here. This tragic event has generated some insightful and extremely helpful dialogue that can be applied by all of us in our flying experiences. Rest in Peace aviators.
I think every cherokee pilot hears about this incident at least once. And they should! I trained up to solo on these things, then switched schools. Never occurred to me that I should maybe push on that wing to check for wiggle. Flying an Archer now and my preflight checklist has me doing that now. Never really dawned on me to even think about that.
You can hear the utter anxiety in those controller voices as they repeatedly called out to riddle 106, and the feeling of defeat from the student that said "negative" when asked if the plane was intact.
Sorry for the loss. RIP fellow aviators.
An inherent weakness with aluminum is that it does NOT exhibit an "endurance strength" as steel does (ie. no fatigue failure below a specific load stress). Aluminum when loaded cyclically will EVENTUALLY fail in fatigue after some number of loading cycles as a function of maximum/cyclical local stress, stress concentration factor and surface condition at the location of maximum stress. Surface condition at the point of maximum stress is a degraded by several things including corrosion damage/pitting which can dramatically reduce fatigue life. Fatigue damage is invisibly cumulative over time...a part may outwardly look perfect as it's predicted fatigue life is approaching, but a crack can suddenly appear tomorrow...or next year. A parts fatigue life cannot be predicted precisely as there is a significant spread in the material property data. Thus critical aluminum structures must be designed conservatively with a high fatigue reliability factor, and the part regularly inspected starting well before its predicted fatigue life. A Goodman diagram is used to determine the fatigue factor of safety for the part.
Is it some sort of ERAU rule that half their radios have to be 10 kHz off frequency?
Wow, that's sad. Great tower awareness and collaborative communications though.
If your going to fly a high time older light aircraft, I will choose Cessna every time over a Piper. When things get rough, I take some comfort in seeing that big strut support out there. Further, the wing isn't taking the abuse of a hard landing like the Piper is. I am told that there has never ever been a recorded structural failure in Cessna 172 since it's conception in 1956. Not sure about the 150-52. (Wings should not just come off.)
You’re right. Not a single failure of a strutted Cessna wing of aircraft flown within their limitations.
Ah, if we could only prevent inexperienced pilots from exceeding limitations. Of course, Vne is tough to exceed in a draggy Cessna, but you can pull some serious Gs.
The problem is that flight schools like Piper Arrows for Commercial instruction. Up until very recently instruction and check-ride had to be in a 'complex' aircraft. Your basic 172 / 182 would not qualify - only the RG models would. I did all of my CP-ASEL work in an Arrow.
The scary thing about the piper is that it was manufactured in 2007 and had its annual 28 hours before the crash.
Not the time for a comment like this RIP to them
I saw lots of cracks in Piper wings near the main gear attach points....both in the landing gear castings as well as the main spar and both upper and lower wing skins. I've seen plenty of patches on wing skins in these areas, though my personal preference has always been to replace the entire skin.
High wing vs low wing. This incident opened my eyes to something I had not really considered before. High wings have the gear connected to the fuselage. Low wings have the gear connected to the wing. So hard landings get transferred through the wing structure. And in a training environment the gear can take a beating. ie., slam and go. Not to mention actual aerodynamic loads. Hmm makes me think. This kind of failure is a true nightmare scenario. I really feel for the victims of this crash. It scares me just thinking about it.
Metal fatigues, indeed. And the cost of aircraft just keeps going up, up, up...
?? Every High-wing I have flown has the gear connected to the fuselage...
Andrew Emery that’s exactly what he said.
Let's all pray for all the students and especially the families of the fallen who was aboard the Piper Arrow .
Bernard Anderson they’re not “fallen” sir, they’re deceased. “Fallen” is for my brethren who lose their lives in defense of our country. Prayers for the deceased families.
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Karl Schneider www.proofthatgodexists.org/
You should read this and think a little instead of trolling You Tube posts that mention prayer to God almighty, you atheist douchebag.
I remember hearing about a student and instructor crashing in the Prescott training area in the summer of 99 after my first year. Scary stuff.
All flight schools like Liberty University has Piper Arrows also and I hope they Ground the Arrows to do wing spar inspection before flight Status begins in August
there is an outfit in pullman-moscow Idaho airport that flies a real junky piper arrow. I hope that they (interstate aviation) give their plane a REAL GOOD inspection.
Back in ‘86-87 we were doing landings at Ormand beach, in the C-172 I was sitting in back another student flying stalled at 30 feet and slammed the tail down hard that I remember seeing the main wheel even with the bottom of the window. Instructor too k over and went right off the runway into the grass, swearing profusely, jumping out with engine still running and plane rolling. He got back in taxied to a hardstand and told me to fly the plane back to Daytona, which I did. Other student tore the rear tiedown off the plane and scratched the tail up badly Embry-Riddle had a box full of replacement rings by the door into the flight office. The planes go through a lot.
you had a stall tail strike and flew back to the DAB, what's wrong with this picture?
allan adam No kidding! I could see a student doing that but an instructor??? No damned way without getting a mechanic at least just give it a quick peek.
A true full stall at 30 feet will destroy the plane, and the spines of everyone aboard. Probably a wrong-side-of-the-power-curve mush into the ground.
Yeah. Strange story: "jumping out with engine still running and plane rolling" . Not saying it didn't happen but if the plane is not on fire, why jump out, especially before it stops?
Damned right ! I wouldn’t have driven that thing anywhere that it couldn’t taxi to for inspection. Remember, some of these instructor pilots don’t know crap about aircraft structures other than how to use them. Worse yet many actually THINK they do. Compared to other vehicles aircraft are always lightly constructed with many compromises in the name of weight. In short they just don’t take being bashed very well.
Strange how the wing chose that moment to separate.
I’d have thought that the previous landing (even if it were smooth) would have made more sense.
Must have been hanging by a thread!
About 25 years ago, there was an AD on the PA-28 series wing spars. If I recall, a pipeline patrol PA-28 had a wing separate inflight, which initiated the AD. Owners were required to pull the wings for NDT. One other aircraft was found to have cracks. Eventually, the AD was rescinded???? I think. I wonder what the total time on the accident aircraft was.
According to the NTSB report, it was built in 2007 and had accumulated 7700 hours.
That's just insane! A wing breaking off a PA28 in flight is unheard of.
Just saw on the Airborne Unlimited video for May 23, that the FAA inspected another PA-28 (R-201) with similar time and usage and found similar cracking in the same place. Sounds like an AD is coming.
You have to remember that this is a school plane. You have a bunch of students learning to fly on it and you never know what's been done to it. That's why G ratings are only accurate when an aircraft is first built. Since he was on his upwind I doubt the wing coming off had anything to do with flutter or load factor. Most likely just structurally weak from years of abuse.
Did you read what I originally posted? There was an inflight break-up of a PA-28 years ago. The FAA issued an AD that required wing removal for PA28 series with 5000 hrs or more.
I just came across this video. The first tower controller sounded like a trainee, but someone was on the ball for sure in catching the missing plane with a pattern that full.
well im sure glad I watched that right before doing touch and gos in a piper
imagine youre in that school and you need to fly the next day knowing the wing could fall off at any random time.
I just started flying a piper archer don’t know how different they are kinda spooked now
@@yamkaw346 An arrow is an archer with retractable gears and constant speed prop. But there are inspections in place now to avoid this type of accident to happen again.
Wow,those were some bad radios.
But, in the real world, that's what it usually sounds like.
I used to fly and no it's not. Those were bad radios or wasn't properly tuned.
@@UncleKennysPlace Bull. Shit.
@@UncleKennysPlace Not. At. All. Not even close. Those ERAU aircraft have HORRID transmitters, by the sounds of things.
I am a structures AME in Canada and my friend and I are starting to do the inspection covers for the steel plate attachment points. These steel plates have been attached to aluminum spars for 30 to almost 50 yrs. I know working in structures for 41 yrs if I have to drill that plate off on the spar the corrosion underneath hiding will be severe enough the spars will require replacement. A lot of planes will be scrapped in the next few yrs for sure.
Not sure what year this one was built, but I think not that old. Just heavily used. No signs of corrosion according to NTSB:
"more than 80% of the lower spar cap and portions
of the forward and aft spar web doublers exhibited fracture features consistent with metal fatigue
(see figure 1). The fatigue features originated at or near the outboard forward wing spar
attachment bolt hole (see figure 2). None of the surfaces exhibited visible evidence of corrosion
or other preexisting damage. "
If you've done a few you will know the rear spars are a simple fix and generally only on the stbd side ... Easy enough to cut the inner corroded part out of the rear spar and replace it... I've never had to scrap a wing yet merely do the repair scheme...
Riddle 454 is Charlie Brown's teacher.
So sad, future pilots just gone
flairlite , not to mention that an experienced pilot with over 27,000 hrs of flight died along side of the pilot flying. Sad losses all around.
In flight failures of wings are rare, especially in the pattern, under controlled flight in good weather. This is a fatigue crack. Why was it not discovered during last annual? Likely because it is not obvious and there is no requirement to LOOK for this. I can tell you as aging fleet of commercial jets get older, FAA requires more detailed inspections. Since GA planes are typically flown much less, they tend to not have fatigue failures. However as the GA fleet gets older, especially OLDER planes with high utilization, high cycles, like training aircraft and pipe line patrol or fish spotting, FAA is likely to issue AD to make spar inspection mandtiory, if aircraft has high cycles. This may be a repeat inspection and may require removal of wing. and/or NDT (non destructive testing) like Ultrasonic, HFEC (High Freq Eddy Current)....
N47TN: Just a quick update here for you 47TN, uh..they went down right by a road, there's several cars already at the scene.
Daytona Tower: Roger, is uh... The plane look to be intact?
N47TN: Negative.
7:21
My heart sank hearing that.
same
Austin Franck It was chilling.
Bone chilling
Austin Franck Ikr and it's kinda hard for me to know that Piper's have this problem because I regularly fly a Piper's warrior 2 and I even got to fly an arrow once
That is sad . . .
I always had a concern with the wing attach bolts and structure on my Cherokee. Just an uneasy feeling flying an old 1968 vintage bird. As an engineer your perspective is focused on the understanding of sn curves (stress vs number of cycles ), stress corrosion cracking, fretting, and fatigue.
Since aluminum has a fixed number of cycles before it breaks and since you have no idea if previous owners have overstressed the structure, it's a bit of a crapshoot. The best you can do is inspect, hope the original sress analysts did their math correctly, and fly the older birds gently. As our GA fleets get older, unfortunately we will see these tragedies. So sad.
This is to take nothing away from the sadness of this tragedy. A few years ago I saw a Mooney wing resting vertically at a shop where they repair Mooneys. The skin on the wing was twisted and some rivets were popped and missing. I asked the owner of the repair shop what happened. He told me a physician pilot was flying IFR in the clouds at about 17,000 ft on autopilot when the wings iced up. The plane went inverted and did a split S and self-recovered at about 10,000 ft. The plane recovered from a computed 12.4 Gs.
The Mooney wing took over 12gs and the pilot was able to land the airplane. I think she went unconscious during the split S. The plane was at cruise speed when it went inverted before it recovered.
Mooney has a single wingspar that goes right through the fuselage. This is what the shop's owner told me.
Yes and also when testing you will have some samples that will be on the outside of the so called bell curve and makes you wonder where does yours fit in?
Peace of mind would say 'replace anyway' regardless of inspection results. I always wonder about non hangared aircraft, the spars are still subject to wind loads on the ground, and even more thermodynamic stresses.
They may be smaller than in flight, but they are still there, day and night, not being accounted for.
dont know if 2007 arrow would be " vintage " / roll eyes
Rest in peace, Eagles.
Thank you for your kind words Mr Johnson
Piper aircraft is in theory a good idea but some inventions they installed are not so practical. On Archers and Kadets you have to check the main gear bolts on spar connection all the time if they fly on grass and/or for flight school. Also the wing tank idea with 92 screws to remove-come on,what were you thinking. The left side fuselage without direct access, battery below pax seat in the back; like it was all designed to prevent you from checking and working on that plane. Or maybe they wanted to increase the manhour for the mechs so boys get a chance to earn some cash 😁
@Yoni Pacheco I dont have a clue,maybe the price was good in the beginning,but surely there must exist a less complicated aircraft of the similar or same performance
@Yoni Pacheco For a high wing aircraft for sure;if a low wing aircraft is required any number of other manufacturers exist, Pilatus,Beechcraft or any other less known
@Yoni Pacheco well yeah,basicaly keeping it simple and sturdy is the way to go for basic training. The last good Piper was Pa-18, or agriculture Pa-25, they started inventing crap after that.
Lots of schools stopped flying piper arrows after this. The wing fell off ffs
I wonder how many times the aircraft was looped by some bold and hormonal student. The report stated the was evidence of buckling in the wing which departed. And on a check ride!
For years Piper has had a problem with the wings spar of these aircraft! Stats are piling up on lives lost! Has Piper Aircraft addressed this issue which appears to be a design flaw????
There hasn't been any recent updates that I am aware of. As of right now Piper has not said anything and my guess is they won't until the NTSB releases their final report... Who knows though.
There is a SB out now, will probably become an AD soon
Hugh Parker
What does that mean? I don’t know those abbreviations.
SB=Service Bulletin, and AD=Airworthiness Directive
Kevin Miller
Thanks
why are all the riddle radios such bad quality
Students don’t pay enough in tuition to have nice things
totally agree jet mech. and morrow that's no excuse for such a grievous safety hazard
Flight Jason it was sarcasm
Putting a mike with audio compression like Dave Clark right next to your mouth causes over modulation like you heard. When somebody sounds like that tell them to put the mike further away from their mouth.
You do have to wonder, I recently spent $20 on some toy walkie talkies for my son, they sound like 'stereo FM' compared to those rubbish things..
As a current freshmen at ERAU, this reslly does hit me
Well, that's a lawsuit. Glad I learned to fly in the military honestly. Also, I saw how much these schools charge, and there is just no excuse for this.
How can I rest easy? They're dead.
Didn't an Embry-Riddle student a few years ago commit suicide by diving his plane into the ground? Maybe 20 years ago?
It was a CFI that did that. Hopped the fence and took the plane after hours and did himself in. Flew around for a bit then called tower for clearance and said it would be his final landing. I flew a few days later and could see the impact point and scorched concrete.
Heartbreaking 😥
Flew "old" Bellanca's so ....... never considered wings falling off !!! .
Embry-Riddle needs to have some of their aircraft transmit audio systems checked. Some of their aircraft audio systems sound like shit!
The consensus is that it was the audio feed source, not the radios themselves. This occurs quite often with 3rd party, amateur listening sources. There is an explanation about this on LiveATC.
Riddle is over modulating on their transmissions.......except in the downwind......then their transmissions clear quite a bit.
Really sad, sometimes it's hard listening to these events as they play out.
Finally someone offered to go have a look, felt like it took forever.. I thought the first Aircraft that thought it was a bird should've requested to go have a look
They talking to the adults from Charlie Brown?
My friends son just got a full ride to Embry-Riddle.
Full ride? Who is paying for it upfront? What qualification process did he go through?
very sad, this happened just down the road from me.......unreal.....spruce creek just had an accident.....4 miles from this crash....both injured but alive as of this writing......i am a pilot and a firm believer in BRS...they should be made mandatory....
They are very expensive and would impose an unbearable cost burden to the average renter pilot. Of course, if you are rich enough to afford a Cirrus with a BRS good for you. But those planes can only be used once after the chute is pulled, even though it's a lifesaver.
they may be expensive and i don't know about planes being used only once after they are deployed....but how much is your life worth? or life of your passenger(s)......you can always replace a plane....but not a friend or loved one...BRS costs $3,500, plane $145k, loved one priceless.....that's also why we have insurance...
Is there same wing spar design issue with the Piper Warrior and Archer? (fixed wheel version of retractable Arrow.)
Yes, it is essentially the same in those aircraft.
Yikes! I remember asking my CFII around 1989 if a PA-28 Warrior had ever had a catastrophic failure, specifically from a wing falling off. I always had a paranoia about that happening. He said that one such event had been recorded which occurred in TX, but according to him, the wing was almost visibly loose at the hub.. How could that be?
Looking back at the T-tail while doing stalls in the Piper Tomahawk and seeing how it would shutter was VERY unnerving to me, but he assured me that a Tomahawk had never shed its tail.
There is a video on youtube of someone preflighting a PA28 aircraft and they visibly move the wingtip fore and aft. You can see the gap at the wing root get larger and smaller. The problem there was the aft spar attach point had an elongated bolt hole. I would guess that rust (it's a steel plate) or improper maintenance was the culprit.
The accident your CFI was referring to most certainly is the TX , PA28 inflight breakup which occurred in 1987. I never heard there was any pre-existing indication of a loose wing or such. Could be, just never heard that part.
Lots of tail surfaces flex. Look at a 172 during a full power run up on the ramp. Yes, it's a bit worrisome but, in reality it's not a concern. The flexing is normal.
There was a time where I wanted to become a professional pilot. I got my private pilots license and when I learned that I would have to keep flying junky training planes and instruct in them for years before I have the hours to get on with a regional airline, I was like, hell nope. School airplanes are scary AF. Usually high hours, beat up by students and maintained by underpaid mechanics. RIP crew.
Armando Silvier you’re right but don’t forget the 800lb gorilla in the room , AMBULANCE CHASING LAWYERS. It’s really all about lawyers you know. Without their limitless greed those insurance companies wouldn’t be the monsters they are.
Van Litespeed funny, I know a guy who went to navy flight training in 1970. He said the same thing about their primary jet trainers, pure junk. He said it was nothing to see a nut or bolt roll out of some hiding place.
Damn. That's a bitch. Any further news on whether there's been an AD?
Daytona ATC must gringe when they have to go to work, with all the students and instructors oh shit
Fellow pilots who talk quickly and don’t enunciate clearly are not only annoying, but dangerous.
Student airplanes need to be very sturdy for the landing dished out to them. I don't think there are more frequent inspections required for them either.
There are much more frequent inspections required on part 91 aircraft, however the problem with pipers is most of them lack an inspection panel for the problem area, and those that do the problem areas are still hidden like the infamous aluminum/steel sandwich. As an inspector you are basically hoping that nothing is fucked in there and that if it eventually comes, it becomes apparent before complete failure. You can see basically everywhere damage could occur on a 172 easily, when I inspect a 172 I can see the entire strut and where it connects to the fuselage for the landing gear and semi-cantilever wing strut. You can also fairly easily view the attach bolts for the wings to the fuselage as well, in a piper a lot of the main structure is simply hidden
I remember my first landing. It was a 152 and I bounced that baby right back into the air. wow
G-logging Meters are so freaking needed. Who feels safe on a 30,000 hard cycles, 40 year old airplanes. I dont even tell my friends I used to fly those things.
Shocking. Embry-Riddle was at one time regarded as a centre of excellence for aviation and aeronautics. Our equivalent in the UK I guess is Cranfield University ... So what is happening to this place? Radios and R/T procedure training sounds as if both need to be addressed. As does the vitality and the need to make an adequate PRE-FLIGHT CHECK where this may well have been prevented as in most accident cases Visual in aviation was not treated as the last available line of defence. Finally accidents are caused by chains of events: Rarely by one single factor or cause.
Has Embry-Riddle lost the plot completely and all of this represents a former aviation icon falling meteorically from grace? Has the establishment been taken over or changed ownership recently? Or (more than likely) has some form of cost cutting programme been implemented and encouraged the taking of risks and short cuts over the last twelve months? This was the second of two fatal accidents involving aircraft from the same establishment. But if you like to read between the lines like I do look at the other warning signs in this one instance alone that I for one am thinking about a wider issue or problem being the matter at heart instead of just those two accidents and the lives they have cost being what needs to be investigated. RIP.
Danielle Riley alas R/T is not formal training nor tested in US pilot certification so suspect radio communication overall inferior to the UK.
The wing probably came off from doing a sharp turn above maneuvering speed. When the plane is light the maneuvering speed is only about 88 knots
Oh please, Va is a minimum.
Negative. Read the report.
*loses, not looses
Chilling
I installed a wing off light in my Arrow. I've never seen a wing just fall off, except C130s
Don’t go into comedy you suck at it. People died here and in those Hercs
@@kenclark9888 that's your opinion. We still think it's funny. I've lost a bunch of buddies and we all agree we'd rather die doing what we love then to waste away with cancer, a disease or some stupid car crash. You can cry or you can laugh. They're at fiddlers green having fun. I flew Es H IIs and IIIs so I know what happens. What unit do you fly with?
Frederick White C-5A/B KC-135A/Q and 135R/T. MC-130 to start off.
@@kenclark9888 excellent. We made a pact that when one of us dies if you can't laugh and joke around about the insane things we did and the fun we had together don't remember them at all. I lost 4 in 2 days. Too many are gone, we used to get together out of the 12 of us there are 2 now. I never think of them as gone. When God calls you go. They have it easy, those of us left behind have to keep going. The worst part is the guys that left after coming home. Enough said, I didn't mean to offend you. If I don't laugh I cry.
Too sad
Always make sure your wings are attached securely.
This is why I always take the pre-flight inspection seriously, and go above and beyond the standard pre-flight check points. I always give the empennage, wings, and support struts a strong shake using plenty of body weight where needed. If you are used to doing this you can quickly identify when something does not feel right. I have found a loose horizontal stab on a 172 during a pre flight and I choose not to fly it.
Take your time during your pre-flight inspection and turn it into a ritual that is just as much a part of flying as the flying itself
Know your plane intimately
Be willing to walk away / Trust your judgement
If you do find something concerning, bring the issue to the mechanic, flight school, or owner
As PIC (and even as a student) the safety of the flight rests in your hands! Take your responsibility with deadly seriousness.
**Having said all that: shit sometimes happens
I don't know the quality of the pre flight that this pilot performed, but I would like to think it is something that I would have caught...but maybe not.
Stay safe
Rip 🙏
RIP ERAU Alum
Another Embry riddle fatal crash just happend a couple days ago this time a cessna 172. Obviously still being investigated.
you talking spruce ?
It was a Cessna 140 and not a riddle plane. It flew out of Spruce Creek Fly In and both on board had Embry-Riddle backgrounds. One was killed, the other is in critical condition. Prayers for Chase and all affected.
They had an engine issue on take off and stalled it.
And to think. I used to think that I should take my flight training at Embry-Riddle. What a junky, money-sucking outfit that Embry Riddle was. Wheeeuu. They are worse than Emery Aviation out of Greeley Colorado in the mid-70's.
Doesn't say much about an aviation school does it? That such a prestigious school only uses the plane for flight lessons and not also for extra airframe education leaves me wondering. That alone could have revealed any problems in the making.
These Heavy Use A/C have been exceptional Performers 4 the purpose Intended .1977 The Mohawk & Canuck did a month 4 the Daytona Event,Gearhead's !We met 2 Really cool Aviati'n" Trainees at that very Establishment & they were Flyi'n" them very Bird's & or Type.Gary [student] was the biggest Influence 2 shift me from a GM Welder, 1/4 mili'n Gearhead 2 an Aviator. Point Bein", R these A/C -Still- Airworthy after Salt Air & Possibly 40+ yr's of Heavy Student Usage ? I do not Think that Piper & 4 that matter Cessna could Realistically 4see this.A Zero Tyme Restoration ,i'm sure was never Performed.YYZ-Planker /Aviator/AME/Avionic /Meteorologist/Skydiv'n" kind'a" Mohawk.Lastest Vid I seen recently was another Student Pushi'n a Wing Forward & Back + & - 2".Back in-da Day fellow AME/Pilot trainee {as was i] taught me Proper tyre/wheel/brake Inspect Procedure.Mount ur foot upon the trye & roll it lovingly whilst Massaging it 4ward & back at least one Revolution while giving it a gentle sideward's" thrust with ur foot. Yes ,on one Preflight. the tyre & wheel assembly did Depart from the 172 on the Tarmac.Brakes Off /Check Nut&Bolt's & ifi'n U got them Stupid-Stupid Hubcap's/Ripp them Off & Totally Destroy them as 2 Prevent further usage. Seeing is Believing !!! Wheel Pant's /Sorry Dude! At these Speed's, they R not worth the Head-ache.
Why are the ERAU comms intentionally garbled in your video?
This is the way the comms were recorded. I have no idea why some are recorded garbled, but I can assure you it is not intentional.
It is the same in other videos, so not just his
This is an unqualified opinion, but I'll bet the comms systems at the school were probably needing an upgrade due to heavy repeated use. Certain parts of the Piper's wing hardware, according to the preliminary NTSB report, had a degree of metal fatigue. I'm sure stuff at this school wears out fast, evidence of a busy and successful school.
RIP student and instructor. There was nothing you could do.
Gomphrena...ERAU needs no upgrades. Excluding the Arrow, the aircraft are less than 3 years old. Everything is always in working order and up to date.
ERAU doesn't want to spend $$$ on avionics maintenance! Cheap bastards!
Listening to just the audio, geez how boring !
I saw Air Force One land at this airport back in July of 1984 carrying Ronald Reagan while I watched the great Richard Petty win his 200th race .the closest I’ve ever been to a President..about 50 yards..lollol
"Rest easy?" Do they have a choice? Nice sentiment though.
What is the point of this comment?
Riddle get some better radios!
wow areoplane
I just like it when the airplanes don’t fall apart in the air because someone didn’t follow in A.D.
What about all the old airframes still in service from jumbo jet's to helicopter's and ultralight's. That's the fun of flying old aircraft, u can die at any moment.!
Which AD? This aircraft was a 2007 model. The original AD came out far before this aircraft was even built, and was for wing spar corrosion. This one exhibited no corrosion upon inspection. Get your facts right before making such a discriminative assumption.
it's embry riddle, how unepected
Caps could have worked here
It's called metal fatigue . Happen's to old over stressed airframe's. The wing's fly off! Nothing new. Common problem w/ old airframe's.
Did you buy stock in an apostrophe factory?
Karl Schneider “Did you buy stock in an apostrophe factory?” ROTFLMAO! May I use that?
Quite true. Internals corrode and after many gear rotations and hard landings the spar is compromised.
It's like Embry-Riddle keeps their pilots headsets soaking in distilled water overnight. It can't be every radio. how in the hell do you even transcribe this?
Pathetic.
Sounds like SSB on an AM radio. I would guess the transmitters were off-tune by enough to leave only one sideband within the monitoring receiver's narrow passband.
Was the wing tight that it needed loosened? :/
God Bless for a reason
They can't teach their students how to adjust and talk into a mic properly? There is no excuse for lack of communication in a controlled environment. Your shit better work and you better know how to use it.
The comms aren't actually like that in real time, it has to do with the recording. Possibly line of sight issues.
RIP boys
WTF TURN THE MUSIC DOWN
Students teaching students
Riddlers lol
Well I guess I won’t be flying at Embry Riddle. If they care to check an AD, then yeah you’re right I don’t want to fly with them.
I hate to break it to you, but if your going to say that, aviation isn't for you...
If you're not smart enough to spell the name of the school properly, you wouldn't have gotten in anyway.
A promise for which we actual pilots are extremely grateful. Stick to your Schwinn.
I actually ride a specialized, great bike.
Aviation is for me and I am going to become an awesome pilot.
omg haha the planes wing just fell off in flight?? i would love to see a huge 747s wings just fall off in the air lol but of course i want no one getting hurt though..would be an epic explosion!!
haha i not going to buy one i want to see to see a HUGE 747 crash not a stupid remote control
You might get karma the next time you fly.
Stemack..i won't ever fly inside a 747 so i have nothing to worry about ahahaahhahaha!!!
Lawn dart
I'm not surprised that a person with a low IQ would say something like that. If you were a pilot you would never say that, and even if you weren't a pilot..no one fines that funny.
Steve Kirkland i am 4th generation pilot...thats how i know that when a wing comes off the airplane turns into lawn dart...ive seen it before...sure its sad, but when you fly you know the risk...
Jeff Dickenson, it might be a good idea to delete your post. It’s just a suggestion.
Mike Howington no thanks
It is a sad situation no doubt. But its been sad for many before them. The best thing is, don't fly an aircraft that's named after something that sticks up in the ground. Piper knew the problem with it, that's why they called it the Arrow. They built a plane back in the 60's called the Scalper, but it was an open cockpit. They had a rapid roll tendency in ground effect.