Who are Cunard’s Queens REALLY named after?
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- Who were the Cunard Line's seven Queen's named the seven. Let's look at the names of the Cunard Queens, and work out who they're really named after, and spoiler: they aren’t all named after Reigning Monarchs!
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Learn about the names and history of Cunard’s Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth, QE2, QM2, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth (2010) and the new Cunard Ship - will it be Queen Anne? Time will tell!
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Do you think the new ship will be Queen Anne or something more... original? How great would Queen Berengaria be for a nice hint back to History (I give it about 1% chance tho!) I've got my own ideas of what the ship will be called - what's yours?
So many people try and tell you they’re all named after monarch’s which is total nonsense. Your report is very clear and accurate. Well done.
Berengaria is a beautiful name indeed. First time for an imperial German liner, now for an Italian-made cruiser ;) please let it be Berengaria !!!!
I think it’s Queen Berengaria too but it would be no surprise if it’s Queen Anne.
I would say probably be a other name instead of a monarch maybe after a grand liner maybe Mauritania or maybe Aquitania
Queen Berengaria would be good idea
I vote Queen Emma ;)
Ha! Ha! - How cheeky is that ! - Could be the start of a whole new series of names 👍
My candidates (aside from Queen Anne) are Queen Berengaria, Queen Alexandria, Queen Caroline, and Queen Charlotte. All of these names are fine to me and very potencial and is up to Cunard to decide.
I’d suggest they will call her the “QUEEN ALEXANDRA”. Formerly the princess of Wales , The wife and consort of King Edward V11. 1901-1911, son of Queen Victoria. The term EDWARDIAN AGE is due to this era and their style. As the princess of Wales , Alexandra, was the Princess Dianna of her era, beautiful and adored by the British public.
Absolutely agree. Fingers crossed!
The Cunard Queens . The greatest ships ever !!!! Long live the Queens! Thank You Chris for another wonderful and informative video!
Thanks, Chris. Another great vlog. Please do more videos on Cunard. Cunard is my favorite cruise line. So much proud history and tradition. Most all a magnificent safety record!
I like the Queen Anne choice. Greetings Chris...Nice to see a new report from you !!
I haven't heard anything definite yet about the naming of the new Cunard ship but I think a fitting name would be Queen Alexandra, our present queen's great grandmother and queen consort to King Edward VII. Thanks for another great video, Chris.
Nice one!!
Would fill the gap between Queen Victoria and Queen Mary, giving us an unbroken line of Royal women back to 1837. But Queen Adelaide is my personal choice.
Right now, I think that the ship should be named MS _Caronia IV,_ as she’d be both the fourth ship of the current Cunard fleet and the fourth Cunarder to use the name.
There's a well-known, possibly apocryphal, story about how the original R.M.S. Queen Mary was actually named. There was a long-standing tradition in Britain that the use of any royal name for commercial purposes had to be directly approved by the reigning monarch. Cunard, the great British shipping line, had a well-known tradition of naming its ships with words ending in the letters "IA," like the Lusitania and the Aquatania.
When Cunard was building their new, and as yet unnamed ship in the early 1930s, they thought the name "Queen Victoria" would be the perfect moniker for this grand new ocean liner because it recalled the legendary monarch while conforming to Cunard's "IA" naming tradition. So because of the need for then King George V's personal approval, the president of Cunard was granted an audience at Buckingham Palace and asked the King if the company could use the name of "England's greatest queen"? His Majesty was greatly complimented by the request, assuming Cunard was asking to use the name of his wife Queen Mary! So the King said yes you may use my wife's name for your new ship!!!
Needless to say Cunard's president couldn't correct the King so the company just made do and named the ship in honor of Queen Mary.
I had to scour the comment section to find this comment since I would have written about it if no one had, albeit much less detailed and well-written than your comment here.
@@BGerbs66 thank you!
Why not break away from the Queen name and return to the traditional name ending "ia' for example revive the name of one of the most successful Cunard ships Mauretania
Yup good idea, like SS Princess Diana perhaps?
It would be cool if they named a ship carpathia to remember the titanic’s hero
This would be my preference.
Great video Chris, no mention of either the proposed "Q3" and the original "Queen Victoria" that was reassigned to P&O as their "Arcadia" (with the Cunard QE2 style funnel) though.
Good point!!
@@ChrisFrameOfficial I will hold you to that for a future episode Chris! 🇬🇧👍
I personally consider Q3 as still being QE2. :)
GREAT REPORT THANK YOU 🚢
Great information! I was thinking Alexandria would be a great name, however Anne is a good choice too. Thanks so much for the video!
For 4 or 5 years since they announced a new ship was coming I was saying Queen Anne. She is the only ruling Queen that doesn’t have a ship named after her. Also, on Queen Mary 2 they have 4 Royal Suites called Queen Mary, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Anne. That made it certain for me.
In English history there have been six undisputed Queen Regnants: Mary I, Elizabeth I, Mary II, Anne, Vicotria and Elizabeth II. So your history may not go back very far since there was Queen Mary 1 (Daughter of Catherine of Aragon) and her half sister Queen Elizabeth I (Daughter of Anne Boleyn) and Queen Mary II (daughter of James II) known also as William & Mary who were co-monarchs. All these were queens regent and so far as I know do not have ships to bear their names in honor. As a example the Queen Mary 2 could have been named after the Tudor Queen Regent Mary I instead of Mary of Teck who was just a Queen consort. Or perhaps Mary Stuart also a Queen Regent as Mary II or perhaps Queen Regent Elizabeth I. There's also the two disputed but could be technically correct by proclamation, the uncrowned Queens Regent Jane (Lady Jane Grey) or Queens Regent Matilda (Empress and Lady of the English).
Queen Charlotte would be a great choice of name, after George the 3rd's wife and there was a navy ship, named Queen Charlotte that the flag ship of the Lord Richard Howe, the 1st Earl Howe.
A good name could be Queen Bergengaria or perhaps maybe a name ending in the suffix ia like Aquitania and Mauretania
I go with Caronia. The most recent '-ia' name that was used and it will open up many more possibilities for the future.
Sounds a bit too like Coronavirus.
Cunard have launched a Queen Caronia if I remember correctly. So it would be the Queen Caronia 2nd
@@JulieWallis1963 there never was a Queen Caronia... 😉
I guessed “Queen Berengeria”. It was “Queen Anne”
RMS Queen Queen is a very creative name.
Lol
A few years ago I heard rumors it might possibly be not be a queen at all and instead be called Halifax.
But we will have to wait and see.
hmmm after watching your video it would seem unlikely the new ship will be named Anne. Only a few days until we will all know. Thanks Chris!
Great video! What's your guess Chris?
I know Queen Anne has been thrown around a lot and that is definitely an option but I do think Cunard is considering an "ia" name.
Do a video about ship operators ? How it's work ......
Good idea I’ll put it on the list 😊😊😊
I'd love for them to take the name Mauretania out of mothballs, but I know that's not going to happen.
As a huge fan of the Royal Family, I really enjoyed this video. A Cunard transatlantic crossing is on my wish list. I'm really quite stumped as to what name they will use for the new ship, although I like the suggestion of Alexandra. I wonder if they might ever consider naming a ship Princess? Perhaps Princess Margaret or Princess Anne?
It will be another floating shoebox - that we know for certain. Chantiers de l’Atlantique, once they had figured out how to build a true liner again, offered to build Carnival/Cunard another true liner at less than the cost of the first one, and Carnival declined. Pity. Cunard could have had another ship that was actually worthy of the “Queen Elizabeth” name. It needn’t have been the same size either. It could could have been a smaller ship, and one that could have docked at Pier 90 at the West Side Piers, without overshooting the end of the pier.
I fully agree!
Oh my goodness, I'm so surprised by the name!!
They can call her what they like, I just want to book!
What do you think they will call the next Cunard ship after Queen Anne? It will be Cunards 250th ship and I wonder what they'll do to commemorate that. Queen Cunard?
Queen Camilla or Queen Katherine? 😊
We all should know on Tuesday (8 February).
Why did they reuse "Queen Elizabeth" instead of "Queen Elizabeth 3"? Would it be considered bad luck / tempting fate to name a ship that?
Queen Elizabeth had a very successful career from 1940-1967 so maybe they just need to shy away from using Seawise University as a name 😊
I would like it to be named Queen Anne as its the name of my mum
And Arcadia was QV for a brief period before they abandoned that idea.
That’s right!
It was meant to become the eventual QV, however it was never christened the QV, so what you are saying is inaccurate.
How about calling her The Aquatania?
Since original Aquitania had the longest years of service at the time of its 1949 scrapping, I feel a new one would need to be 'Aquitania 2'
i was right in my guess. it was kind of a no-brainer for them, really
I think Mauretania could fit well with the new Cunarder
I like Queen Mary 2 why not building queen Mary 3 ?
Think it will be Queen Anne . Queen Eleanor would be good.
Queen Mary 3 or Cunard Olympic 2.
Name her SS Princess Diana. Go on, the World will love you for it.
Queen of hearts ???
Queen Anne it is.
Seeing as I come from the future, I guess Queen Anne. I don’t care if I’m cheating, I’m just having fun.
Queen Amidala!
May the force be with you.
My vote goes to Queen Adelaide, consort of William IV.
You beat me to it. And - when normality resumes - they can send her here for the Australian summer replacing Queen Elizabeth
Queen Alexandra, not Anne please!
MAURETANIA please. The “Queen” names are so tired, and have been given to ships which don’t deserve them, the QM2 being the exception. The present day QE and the QV should have been “Mauretania” and “Aquitania.”
I like many of the old names too, BUT the 'Queen' naming practice was introduced by the newly merged Cunard-White Star to replace the "ia" and "ic" sufixies of the old companies. So if you revive an old Cunard name, then the next ship would need to have an old White Star name.
@@Dave_Sisson No, the Queen names were given to the original QM and QE because they were the line’s largest, grandest, and fastest liners. It had nothing to do with replacing “-ia” and “-ic” names. In 1939 Cunard got a new “Mauretania”.
@@Dave_Sisson why would they have to use an old White Star name next? Cunard-White Star went defunct in 1949 when the Cunard shareholders of CWSL bought out the White Star shares, reforming the company into just Cunard.
Mary and Berengaria were both Queens Consort , so Queen Camilla, the next Queen Consort.
There should, in fact, never have been any "Cunard queens". The tradition since the 'Camparia' of 1893 was to use names that ended in "ia". (Though there were various Cunard ships using "ia"-ending names before that, there were also a number of the line's vessels that did not.) Hence, 'Berengaria', 'Caronia', 'Lusitania', 'Mauretania', 'Hibernia', 'Persia', 'Caria', etc. (White Star Line used "ic": 'Baltic', 'Cedric', 'Tianic', 'Olympic', 'Britannic'.) The 'Queen Mary' was supposed to be named 'Victoria'. However, when officials of Cunard sought permission from King George V to name the liner after "Britain's greatest queen", The King replied that his wife, Queen Mary, would be delighted. Had the 'Queen Mary' been named 'Victoria', there'd have been no 'Queen Elizabeth' and, thus, no 'Queen Elizabeth 2', no 'Queen Mary 2', and so on.
Cunard continued with the "ia" endings after both the 'Queen Mary' and 'Queen Elizabeth', all the way to the 'Nordia' in 1961. After that, only one other ship bore a name ending in "ia": the (third) 'Caronia', which had formerly been named 'Vistafjord' until the change in 1999. It was sold to Saga Cruises in 2004. Cunard has since, after 106 years, abandoned the "ia" tradition altogether and it seems all its ships will be named after queens from now on.
You assume that Hull 534 would have been named solely, “Victoria”. I posit that you are wrong. Had they named Hull 534 after Queen Victoria, then the name of the ship would have been the same: QUEEN VICTORIA. They would never have used the name “Victoria” alone.
You assume as much. However, the history of Cunard shows it only ever twice used a two-word name for any of its ships before 'Queen Mary': the little, 772 ton 'British Queen' of 1862 and the 'Royal George' of 1916, which Cunard owned for just four years. The names 'Margaret' and 'Berengaria' did not have 'Queen' before them. Nor did 'Lotharingia' have a 'Queen of' ahead of it. And, even among the 19 new ships run by the line after the launch of 'Queen Mary', only 'Queen Elizabeth' and 'Queen Elizabeth 2' had two-word names. There is thus nothing to suggest the name 'Queen Victoria' would have been used had George V not inadvertently forced Cunard's hand into naming the 1936 ship RMS 'Queen Mary'. Everything points to simply 'Victoria'.
Queeny McQueenface of course
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If it doesn't have a launch called Queeny Mc Queenface. I'm not coming. Have we learned NOTHING?!!
Two women chatting:
1st woman: My husband works for Cunard.
2nd: My husband works fuckin' hard too.
I’d like them to drop the queens and start recycling old White Star Line names as a nod to history before mergers.
White Star names are not Cunard names, the 1934 merger not withstanding. Bad idea.
@@Toast0808 I hate mergers that completely ignore the history of one half the company, whether that be in the cruise industry to the chocolate industry,. Cunard need to do more to highlight their White Star history.
@@JacobEvans2 Given that so many White Star Line ships sank, including, naturally, the infamous Titanic disaster, I certainly wouldn’t.
@@Toast0808 but what about the Olympic? It is as important (if not more so) then the Mauritania
@@Toast0808, Queen Anne.... not exactly a trouble-free name given previous Queen Anne's were captured by pirates and sunk by U-boats.
Pity it's not being built in the UK, this is the biggest tragedy really, the name is not so significant imo.
I vote “Duchess Camilla!”
Not British built should not use the queen’s names.
Queen Camilla ;)
Had to laugh CZcams has “translate to English” as an option under your post 🤣
@@ChrisFrameOfficial Hope the translation is decent 😜 … in French we would say “Reine Camille”.
As I recall Camilla herself will not get the title of Queen, even if Charles becomes King. So QC is probably not going to be.
@@robertklein1497 that just changed this weekend, the Queen wants Camilla to become Queen consort. Lucky for her ;)
Is this another one of those vaccine ships?
Wtf?
Queen Catherine would be nice