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I need to get a hold of whatever the WorC development team have been smoking the last 2 years.
Don’t forget they plan 2 years in advance so they’ve been on that stuff for 4 years. Lol
They've been smoking fat stacks of cash by intentionally creating pack sellers at the cost of the game's health
They have been smoking unplayable commons seasoned with a pinch of salt from those who suffered through omnath, oko and fires
They played too much hearthstone and were like LOL free spells are fun...
It's our money. They're smoking our money.
This is magic exactly as Richard Garfield intended lmao.
I mean it is.
Lots of BS in the game right now, but can the manchildren please stop with the Richard Garfield bullshit? The game is so much more than its creator for christs sake. Let the game change and grow, its not the 90s anymore lmao
So was Artifact
or Keyforge
@@dandiaz19934 it’s just a joke lmao
Well considering he is responsible for a 2 Mana extra turn spell, a one Mana draw 3 and zero Mana artifacts that generate colored Mana......
CGB in the intro: I hate this deck.
CGB one literal second after casting Kiora:
_smiles in punchable face_
Literally went to comment this and it was the second comment lol
I wanna like but the likes are at exactly 69, noice
@Nicusor Marinescu He plays an asshole on camera because that gets views. But he is actually... secretly... a really sweet and thoughtful perosn. Shhh, don't tell anybody.
A game of Solitaire has more interaction than a MTG game with this deck.
much like tibalt's trickery, nobody likes interaction other than those who play it.
Also cheaper
It is just another counterspell...
@@taurelith4867 interactive games are the most enjoyable for a lot of people
Once upon a time, when the veil of summer lay heavy on the land, and the crowns had been thieved and the fires of invention were low in the sparks of planeswalkers, a trickster did appear...and lo, there was much gnashing of teeth.
Sweet
Dude that was lyrical
Poetic justice
"Roping is unacceptable" Yes.
That was an intense moment. I was just mentally yelling "Deal the damage." Don't ever reward ropers.
@@enixxe Same. I was actually yelling "Nooo!" when he brought up the Concede button.
I mean, this deck deserves getting roped on tho
If there ever was a situation where roping was appropriate, it would be here. However, roping is never acceptable, so it isn't.
So is playing this trash.
"Never scoop to a roper" - Han Solo
Finally something that makes mono red look like the good guys
Mono white is working hard to do that also
Honor demands you do not reward a roper.
@@nomenestomen3452 I actually agree. I would also say, from the other side, that they deserve it. Jerks on both sides. :)
Edit: I would likely just leave the game though. wasting someone else's time is all well and good. wasting my time is unacceptable. :)
CGB moaning about how awful the deck and how bad this deck makes magic.
CGB 5 min in, cackling at his wins lol
So? He's right. If the goal is just "fun" then go play hearthstone, balance is supposed to be important in magic, and something having no counterplay, where the result comes down to SHEER luck is not healthy for the game, even if its fun when the luck is good.
Unlike the other guy I disagree that magic is about anything but fun, as it is a game. However, for fun to be had, it has to be on both sides... And if such a deck stays popular (or worse becomes more popular because it is good), a large number of games won't be fun for a large number of people.
@@ichtyorniscretace9624 So games are just mindless entertainment?
@@Tweakerbythespeaker fun is the core part of the game even if games are an art form. and acting like it's not is pretentious and disingenuous, yes they can be much more than just fun, but that's icing on the cake. if you dont make a game for people to have fun or pass time you are making something that is not a game but pretends to be one
@@Tweakerbythespeaker most of the time it is sheer luck... Of the draw.
imagine getting a cosmetic in your honor and its tibalts trickery
I was the one playing monowhite when CGB did not have the red source, when he did the mulls, I knew what he was up to, I gg'd because either way the game was over, I just could not resist the "your go" after the fail :)
So Mr. M4elstorm, why play mono white and not glorious jank?
@@YourCrazyOverlord I was trying to rank, I do play some jank from time to time, I brew and playtest in Mythic. Right now I just came from a session of one brew that went 23 and 4, went from diamond 2 to mythic 1250 something
Wizards releasing broken cards in every set is the norm now.
at LEAST
It is called programmed obsolescence: at least for the first month, they purposefully create new broken cards to push you to purchase them, then they ban them. I mean, if Tibalt's trickery doesn't get banned in the future and I start finding it too often, I'll stop playing.
there's nothing broken about tibalt's trickery, it's entirely random and entirely counterable
@@Red_Male well, now we know, but at the time.. Cascade was still a thing
@@sebastiana2035 Cascade into Thibalt was the problem not Trickery.
I made this a couple of days ago and called the deck “shame”
I'd hate to be the guy that has this card dedicated to them
On the other hand, tibalt is fictional
Wotc will choose to ban Stonecoil serpent instead.
Well then up to historic and Ugins Aspirants..
Like banning omnath instead of lotus cobra
@@cannardm lotus cobra sees barely any play since omnath was banned. Omnath was an abomination of a card.
When MTG creators wanna feel like Hearthstone ones
Even with the craziness that is hearthstone, there is nothing as op as an 8 drop turn 2
Wizards: We never thought people would use this to counter their own spells
And literally just had to word it so only your opponent could receive the positive benefit of the counter in order for someone to not build a deck around countering themselves.
Bro someone did this turn 1. Got emergent ultimatum and then countered my embercleave with tibalt....holy shit.
Thank you for dedicating Tibalt's trickery to me! (MrSPBreen) My full art dedication will be forever remembered as the card so VILE and HATED, that even Evil CGB felt dirty playing it and wants it banned (for being a bad card aside). I'm truly honored...
Ooooof
Who would've thought that the worst counterspell in MTG history is a red spell.
you mean the best counterspell in MTG lol
Haha, your comment is gold :D
"Ropers" are the Enemy. The Enemy deserves "NO MERCY!"
when the most interesting part of the video is cgb having a crisis about whether to concede or not...
To be honest, CGB, if you conceded to the ropper, it would serve as an incentive to his behaviour, so nice decision making 🤩 hardest thought process of the game
I disagree. He made a statement, and then moved the goalpost. He basically lied. the Roper was obv. tilted and didn't KNOW about the almost win. The Roper fought back against an unfair deck. IMHO the Roper was in the right.
@@BlackwoodsSpellbook fair point of view, but I don't believe that a roper would have such a thought process, 'cause their behaviour is winning driven. Obviously any person that knew about the free win would wait, so that wouldn't evaluate their persona
“Roapping is unacceptable”
"I HATE THIS DECK"
(10 Minutes Later)
"IT DOESN'T EVEN DO THE THING"
I just got my 1 turn land destroyed by walking the trolls
Thank goodness you covered this too
Why doesn't it say "counter target spell an opponent controls?"
because it's more fun this way. just not necessarily more balanced
CGB: I frickin HATE this card... *dedicates it to a fan*
It seems like playing against this deck isn't much fun and playing this deck also isn't great. It was really fun to watch though. Whenever we win a coinflip I'm happy because cool things happen, whenever we lose a coinflip I'm happy because justice won out. Professional Gambling!
On the bright side: I got my shark token in the mail today!
You really built up the suspense there, but I'm so glad you didn't scoop to the roper. XD
Deafening Silence is another turn 1 option to counter Tibalt's Trickery.
This is a great point
Yeah and you have to be lucky enough to have 4 in your deck before you play this deck and get it in your starting hand. Thats not a feasible answer. You don’t know youre playing trickery until turn two.
It's a shame cause trickery in big red could actually be pretty fun, even without the combo, like imagine if tibalts trickery was RR or even RRR
It's actually great in Mardu prison with Drannith Magistrate, which prevents opponents from playing cards from anywhere but hand (ie. Tibalt's Trickery is OG Counterspell and opponents can't play adventure/foretold cards from exile).
I think you love this deck. You say you hate it but that laugh that you gave after the 3rd person... It screams deep down you love this deck.
I was wondering if you could make various card animations collide after casting a load of mythics of a genisis ultimatum - I think it would be hilarious to see a goldspan dragon crash into a giant snake or pair of angle wings
"We play mono white, we play mono white. Mono white, mono white. Attack face. Gain the life."
"Theres a speaker of the heavens
Now a luminarch aspirant"
Sac the dog, you know that's right.
As a suggestion instead of this is monowhite: Making angels, to the theme of 'Making Christmas'
The deck is so evil CGB actually sounded like palpatine laughing
Thumbs up for destroying the hell outta that darn roper! You exercised good judgment in the face of unexpected circumstances.
16:52 That's exactly how i imagine pple playing this deck lmao
I believe we watched 20% of CGB's soul permanently escape his body at that moment
that's my only consolation when i lose to combo decks. the fact that usually on the other side there's an extremely satisfied and happy johnny seeing their cards work as intended. and as far as combo decks go at least tibalt doesnt drag out the game too much.
Alternatively: play it til it gets banned and get your wildcards back
I see, a fellow villain
Im gonna play that shit in my temur ramp... I didnt want this card at all, I wanted the valkyries! But mgta just gave me 3 tibalts trickeries in packs! ffs
exactly
Except only tibalt's trickery will be banned, so only 4 gold vs the many mythics and rares lost to high mana cost cards.
@@striderkiwi2 Most payoffs are things easily picked up by cracking packs. Never crafted Kiora bests the sea god but I have a few, same with ultimatums, etc.
I loved the whole moral dilemma with the roper. LOL
Duress and negate or jawa, it's fun watching them scoop
I just ran into this for my third loss whilst taking part in a Standard event for the first time.lame
We need a meme of the 300 Spartan kick that has FlackLotus as the dude about to get kicked into the pit, who says “but you said you’d scoop..” and CGB’s face over over the Spartan who says “roping is unacceptable” followed by huge Spartan kick 🤣
16:52 - That Joker laugh tho!
mate you sure do have a ton of fun for a guy that hates this deck
people in historic playing trickery
me playing Simic Flash.
I want to say thank you, watching your video in the background while playing some matches got me through and excruciating Rogue Roper match the other day (I know you’ve never seen that). While I can understand someone roping in protest of this particular dumpster fire, it needs to be discouraged at all costs.
Keep up the great work! CKC
What do you think about one copy of Tibalt Trickery in a deck with a lot of cards than can have both a cheap and a expensive side? Does Tibalt's work on both sides of adventure cards?
A lot of people laughing at this combo obviously don't realize how consistent it can be
Yeah, would be interesting with solid math.
I think you have a 40% chance to have a card in your starting hand if you have 4 copies of it.
Being able to Mulligan 4 times you do have (i think)a 85% or something like that chance to have it on your starting hand. So maybe a 4 and 5 split could be better to start the combination.
So with enough mathematic you should built the Deck to get a 60% Chance for an instant win. That could be a solid way to climb the leaderboards that is easier than to play mono red and it would screw magic. Would be fun if someone does the mathematics to get the highest Chance of this combo working.
I could watch cgb teach how to make cup ramen honestly.
Same
“We all know that the best flavor of noodle is of course, The Sky Noodle.”
Probably the only time I felt like you could concede to a roper but still no never to a roper 😆
No mercy for ropers in the dojo!
For me, this gets filed into the same drawer as shrines, mill and other various jank trash.
u dare call mill jank trash
Yes.
@@GripCitadel elaborate plz, why?
If you drive a race car but instead of racing you just remove all the cars...are you really racing?
@@GripCitadel I guess the point is that you are the one racing and u stop ur opponent from racing, by removing the cards , or the fuel or whatever. but i mean mill is just acceleration ur game if u want to play graveyard synergies, its a grouphug archetype. but then again, if u like playing selesnya or some other lame colors i dont know. u sound like a boros player i guess
These type of decks destroy the fun in magic abit for me
The deck is fun. Loosen up a little bit. The card will be banned and everything will go back to normal. Enjoy it while it lasts. What's great is a mirror match of two tibalt decks.
My friend has a tibalt deck and the matches of TT vs TT are wacky and fun.
@@mathewhill5556 You don't make much sense when you say that everything is fine because it will get banned.
@@mathewhill5556 imagine playing a nice match between two decks which lasts for maybe like 15 turns
U grinding ur win in BO1 or BO3 and than play against BS like this and lose bcs u cant interact so early on or win easily bcs the opponent draws dogshit and dont got a chance, both feels unsatisfying
For the one with a tibalt deck its not a problem cuz thats how hes playing, like 2 minutes for a match but probably not for the opponent
Idont see playing these type of decks which end up in a coinflip, but mostly a win
This is a Day[9]TV Special! I looooooooooooove playing this!
"Alright, magic is easy" into a triome.
That's what I call quality content
Time to run 4x duress and 4x miscast in the maindeck.
Nah. You’ll be fine tossing that into the side board. Or Dovin’s Veto/Negate.
Can we just get a moratorium on new mana cheat cards?
The current MtG designers clearly can't properly design or balance them.
cgb: "there's nothing you can do about this deck"
Control: "Haha 😂! Let me just play a feed the serpent and feed your Koma to itself"
wow cool deck. definitely crafting straight off. Thanks for showing me this cool idea cgb ;)
The most tilting thing about this deck is how many rares/mythics it has . . .
This deck is garbage. Games go one of three ways:
- Mulligan, mulligan, cast a game ending card on turn two, watch opponent concede.
- Mulligan, mulligan, mulligan, mulligan, concede.
- Mulligan, mulligan, cast, find garbage, concede.
Such fun, much wow.
Better than actually having to play vs rogues
@@scurtus1885 No, actually no.
Like OP said, this deck is garbage.
This deck is about not playing the game.
You either win T2 or shame scoop when you fetch nothing.
Also, Mulligan-ing for the combo might be the stupidest thing I have ever seen in my MTG gaming history
Whenever I see some insta mulligan 3 times I just quit
@@justinbendlin7578 Don't!
It's rather funny seeing them scoop if they get nothing ;)
@@UnknownGaming.. if I were to play the deck, either I get the combo and avoid rogues, or I don't and I don't gotta play vs rogues.
At least fighting this deck comes down to them conceding or playing negate
Come on cgb, you know you love this deck
Having trickery in the hand really pushes the shuffler to put them into your top 10
This isnt even the optimal list lol. Day(9) made what might be the most mathematically likely to hit its combo the most often
It should really have been ‘counter target spell an opponent controls.’ Its silly how these mistakes keep getting past RnD team since Oko.
Thats what happens when you have in house testing and dont employee top tier players like they did in the late 90s- early 2000s.
FYI, you chose to play 28 lands over the more typical ~24 I've seen elsewhere. This reduces the number of good hits for Tibalt's Trickery by ~4, and therefore makes it quite a bit more likely to whiff on the combo by finding another 0-drop or Tibalt's Trickery. Though maybe MDFC lands like Turntimber Symbiosis or (albeit off-color) Emeria's Call could function as a compromise, i.e. lands that are still decent hits for Trickery.
I'm not a grinder so I just see the world burn with Tibalt-san.
From now on there are people worse than monored players
"This is fine." -CGB Quote of the Day. Was not a tough call. ROPING is unacceptable. By the way, I am never playing that deck. I didn't play the infamous Omnath either.
you and I are the only pure souls left in this world
You two are definitely pure souls. After getting smoked by Omnath multiple times I took my Mythics from Uro’s ban and got 4 Omnaths. I called the deck “Join them”.
@@aswan802 not the only two. I never played Omnath, Trickery... heck never even played Rogues/Gruul/etc and made 2 mythic runs using my own deck last set when I decided to dedicate the time.
Watched till the end! Also hate hate hate this deck! All of the thoughts you shared have been rolling in my mind since i saw this deck the first time.... hate it!!! Thank you CGB for championing real magic!
Must I have honor when a roper has none? Nah roping is unacceptable! Lmao that made me laugh so hard
This card is so getting banned, that's why I crafted it, it's literally 4 free wildcards after a bit of fun
Smart guy
I don't think it will, and the newly announced bans don't include standard. It might get banned in Modern and Legacy, but not standard and historic (Trickery Combo is literally worse NeoStorm). Although I wouldn't mind seeing it gone for good, hate that deck
I don't see why it would. It's a meme that might be frustrating to lose to, but standard bans are about severe over representation in competitive play.
@@OsvaldoChannel1 Saying they will ban uro doesn't mean they wont ban trickery in arena bo1 tho
Yeah, it’s not getting banned. In best of 3s, your opponent can work around it. Toss in a bunch of discard or counter spells and be very patient. And there’s always the chance you just Tibalt’s Trickery into itself/Tormod Crypt/something that doesn’t win the game.
When I encounter this type of deck, I rope them. Full control. No remorse.
One game I was playing an Orzhov Doomfortold deck in historic. Came up against the trickery deck, I was on the play and they hit ugin. I had doom fortold in hand to out him on my 4th turn. He had a turn 3 trickery though but he whiffed and hit ugin again !!! Hahaba later on the game when I cast liliana he finally scooped
The one thing I’ve found you can do is bounce whatever they cast back to their hand. Then they are stuck cause they mulliganed so many times they can’t do anything.
The card is dumb. I've faced it a dozen times. It hits something good once every 4 times early on, and if it doesn't, they surrender. Dumb card, shouldn't exist.
Yeah, same experience here: playing against it usually means easy win
I felt bad for a guy who forgot to hold control when he cast his tormod. I felt bad and brazen borrowered it back to his hand to try again. Kiddo figured it out the second try and went on to win but it was a close and fun match.
The fact that the people who use it surrender if they don’t pull with 1 card in their deck should be a huge red flag to the devs. They acted fast on the omnath combo. This is very similar if not worse.
Booo
My opponents always Hit sth like Ugin or an Ultimatum somehow...
I feel that mono-white lifegain’s song should be some kind of rock opera
I just tried it against Sparky and I could not counter. I did notice a 10MB update just before I tried; wondering if there was a change to Tibalt
That moral decision on the roper was hilarious to watch. The internal struggle was real. I’m glad you made them eat the rope in the end.
wotc really need to tone down the rng shit, if i want RNG to dictate my game i would have play hearthstone....
This deck is cheating magic. Its fun to try the deck, but after a few matches I realized that this is not Magic, the game that we know for ao many years. Ban the card
In the last match, he was not actually dead. He could have played the stonecoil serpent and blocked, and he would have gotten another roll with the prismatic bridge IF he got luck and his opponent didnt have burn, removal, another embercleave, a snow-covered land, or anything else to do one damage with.
That's a lot of IF's, especially against mono-red. And even then I think only Ugin could save him, and that STILL would likely be for just one more round
I run a one of voraclax and goldspan dragon in mine to put with kiora bests the sea god for my 3 ultimatum picks. Either they pick to put away kiora and i hit them for 10 haste damage on turn two and ramp, or they put away dragon and i hit them for 6, tap all their stuff and steal whatever they play on their turn and hit for lethal, or i have an 8/8, hit for 4 haste and ramp.
Buying a cosmetic for 1000 gems is insanity.
Not if you have expendable income.
I don’t see why people rope. You’re wasting your time as well. You lost, get over it baby.
Absolutely agree on the roper decision, wouldve encouraged them to do it more
Super fun deck..for a little while! Sometimes you just want to have fun and relsx playing magic!
No, everyone should start playing this. The bigger the cancer gets, the more chances something will be done about it.
This cancer is too big for that strategy
I honestly have faced this deck over 20 times on ladder and never lost. It’s not because I have duress or miscast. It’s literally because they don’t hit good. Stupid card and I 100% am crafting for the funz
Daaaaaamnnnn koma definitely makes me wanna play simic ramp again xD
I am disappointed you did not scoop to the roper. Honor is everything.
I really dislike that freaking card. The worst part is, the card wasn't a mistake, they didn't badly written it. They intend to be exactly like this.
New most disliked video, I hate this card so much.
Yep, played with Tibalt's Trickery and achieved turn 2 Titanoth Rex... fun times!!
The tap tap tapparoo reference, Happy Gilmore xD
With Koma you can put stops at their untap phase, sack a serpent and tap their lands to screw them over that way too in some instances