Art of Manliness Podcast #49: The Way of Men | The Art of Manliness
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- Originally published August 2013
In today’s episode I talk to Jack Donovan, author of the book The Way of Men. We discuss his conception of a universal code of masculinity and if it’s even possible to live “the way of men” in modern society.
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A little more than a year before my Father passed away he gave me a copy of "essential meditations" by Marcus Aurelius. It changed my life as it helped me see perspectives I'd never considered. Since he passed away I've felt that I've been drifting without purpose in a society that seems hellbent on telling me "how" I should be with zero focus on purpose. Thank you for this interview it certainly taps into a lot of my frustrations with where i am in life right now. Also, I think it's time to dust off Aurelius again.
Keep going, never stop!
Sorry for your loss. The Meditations. That was a great gift. Try to read one passage each day and try to apply it to your life in some way.
One of the best books to ever be recommended to me
I define manliness as being someone that is smart enough to fully understand yourself and having enough life experience to be able to repair and maintain your tools and knowing a craft and having the patience and the capacity to teach the youth and be a role model to others.
Dude those catch 22’s are the truth. I found this very insightful and inspiring in a world of watered down messages.
The Mastubatory Bonobos was hilarious and put to words the feeling I’ve had trying to maintain my athleticism and martial training.., like yea what’s the point- you have to find an intrinsic motivation geared towards mastery otherwise it’s mostly pointless. Which can be really demotivating..
Thx guys.
I can safely the philosophy in this book is the foundation of my masculinity today!
I think this book should be standard reading for every American "male" organization from the Cub Scouts to the u.s. military!
Jack is talking about what Kaczynski called “surrogate activities” - read Industrial Society and it’s Future
Based and Tedpilled
@@fellowgoyimwhite7630 Based.? Indeed, but more accurately, it's deep rooted. That would mean, that which is based is most universal of all. Therefore most accurate of all. You cant escape it's fundamental ideas.
Based
I was fortunate enough to have someone to look up too in that regard, my step dad has always been a self-employed carpenter, so reputation is everything especially when 90% of your customers are through word of mouth you have to be a hardworking honest individual.
In spite of what other's subjective response may be towards this conversation rather than intellectualising it, just enjoy it as a good ole conversation among two guys and the nature of male species. That's all. Good podcast!
This is awesome. Love the book.
I love what you guys are doing here, this is brilliant. There is nothing to fear but fear itself
I like how it's just audio.
That brings pressure behind this knowledge.
Best podcast in the world
Two awesome people making an awesome podcast. Good shit.
Loved this episode
Man, get Arthur Kwon Lee on your show. He’s the new kid on the block in regards for fighting for masculinity from a very unique vantage point. Saw him on JLP radio show
I have a question.
At some point in the future, I will give my son a copy of “The Way of Men”, before he turns 18. I think it is a must-read.
What is the best age for my son to receive the book? - I want to give it to him as early as possible, but not before he is mature enough to understand the content.
Thank you.
US TALES Thanks
it's a book free from politic ideology ?
I love how they bring out Brazil (a continental size country) and not even now Brazil and their reality lol
Is this Jack guy natty or not? I’m impressed. I’m over 40. Any men on T?
A recommendation: Read "the Savior of God" or "Odyssey" by Nikos Kazantzakis and you will find the essence of manliness!
How did Jack's voice change so much?
Do you have another example of his voice? This is the first time I hear his voice
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Probably steroids or hgh.
@@Mrshotgun7392 it's the phone quality...does not sound like him
"y'know"
Jack Donovan
So I’m guessing he’s like a Masc4Masc kind of guy right?
I always thought being a good man meant I was a man, man was I wrong
Lot's of circle logic: to be manly means to care about how other men judge your manliness 😀
Can women be Manly if they show these traits ???
I believe the word would be mannish.
@@incrediblemistere3729 why mannish??
@@ashleyc8303 mannish Imitative or suggestive of a man rather than a woman. womanish Imitative or suggestive of a woman rather than a man. if a man acts like a women its not womanly its womanish and if a woman acts like a man its not manly its mannish. I find that when a woman try's to act like a man she doesn't become a man she just becomes a bad women and if man try's to act like a woman he doesn't become a women he just becomes a bad man.
True magnificence is beyond :gender!
Its an insult to the listener to have someone say they are trying to give a universal definition of manliness and then for the author to give examples of Darth Vader who is a character only known in America. Says alot about the presumptive nature of the author. America is not "the world" and as a male living in Chad in Africa this is just a long misrepresentation monologue
Darth Vader was made in America but is WIDELY known. You’ve read into this heavily.
Lmao reading a book on how to be a man is the exact opposite of masculinity
I feel like men who write books depicting manliness as an action hero is wrong. Men arent naturally aggressive macho men. He mentioned flamboyant dishonor. I feel like hes more flamboyantly masculine. Trying to make himself seem more manly than he is. It's very unessessary
Kirby Whitaker You are the problem.
@@ChampagneThrottle Being yourself isnt the problem. Men who go out of their way to seem more masculine than normal dont show confidence. They show insecurity, and that they have an inferiority disorder.
@@kirbywhitaker1394 Don't you think that it's important for men to behave in a masculine way in front of other men? Would you wear a dress to the gun range? Men don't respect men who try to act feminine.
@@zzzaaayyynnn I agree that you shouldnt wear a dress to a gun range but when you go out of your way to seem really masculine you just end up looking like a try hard who is wanting to fit in. It makes you look like you're seeking for approval. By doing so you're showing yourself to be the weaker male
@@zzzaaayyynnn Yea when you said "grounded in confidence." That's when I knew you understood what i meant. I sort of keep myself in a rebel mindset. Not rebel in away that meand im trying to act different. I mean rebel in the sense that you think for yourself and do what you want to do no matter what other think. That is what grounds you in confidence. Doing what you want to do no matter the opinion of others. Then you will seem masculine even if you're doing something traditionally feminine
I can't listen to guys talking about properly defining being man & talking like valley girls.
saying ummm,like, okay every damn 10 seconds...
It's not like they have a script
it's how all people talk when it's spontaneous
Not the best way to gauge usefulness of information.
What a stupid comment
Agree with the replies. But Jericho has a point here. The point I believe is that the systematic emasculation of the American society has affected even the way men who value our masculinity the most speak. This in no way compromises their message, on the contrary.
I’m interested in manliness and in questions about the positive value of aggression and boldness, but As a man I find the conversation between you too sooo simplistic and shallow and reductionist that it’s embarrassing. Grow up guys...... it s not what we have and women don’t that it’s the most fulfilling but how both men and women have masculine and feminine psychological identifications and how we can use them creatively.... I hope your conversation evolves ..... you 2 sound like little boys trying to prove you are stronger than girls..... I wish you would sound more like free warriors who enjoy your manliness without being so worried about :::: we have it,,, girls don’t. So disappointed to hear you guys
Samuel, I do think they are discussing this issue in some ways at a very basic level. But haven’t we come down to that point in our society? At a point where we forgot even the basics about masculinity. Do you have kids (boys) in school? They are actively teaching them that almost everything about masculinity is wrong. From not defending themselves (and their friends, siblings etc) when they are physically threatened to unrealistically having to behave like passive little lambs all day long. Boys are not understood or dealt with adequately. And no wonder, 9 out of 10 teachers for young kids are women, often following a progressive agenda, or some form of anti-male feminism. They have all the right in the world to be teachers, or feminists for that matter. But when they represent the primary behavioral influence on our boys, this is a problem. Now you add the issue of absent fathers who are expected to work 15 hrs a day, the growing problem of fatherless homes, and the anti-masculinity campaign in the media, and you have a crisis. So yes, the discussion brings up some very basic points. But I believe that is the level where the discussion should be now.