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- The European Union's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell has said some European countries have been trying to intimidate International Court of Justice judges, following their decision to order Israel to stop its military operation in Rafah. Borrell said the court's order must be obeyed but he warned that the ruling poses a serious dilemma for the EU.
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#EU #Israel #ICJ
If this is a dilemma then we are screwed as humans.
Borrell's enigmatic world is haplessly dilemma ridden...
Should we side with a rules-based world order, or should we side with the world's most fascist country carrying out a genocide? We had better sleep on it.
Hamas isis, Fatah, the Palestinian Authority, it’s all the same. PP chose them in free elections in 2008.
@@user-sp1md5xu8j
Real double standards on rules based world order
Like Israel being attacked from all sides but can’t retaliate in Iran in Lebanon in Gaza Yemen?
Like the Arabs can attack and nobody blames them, then we blame Israel for not providing more food and water to the side that attacked them? With a massacre?
Like in every urban war the ratio of civilians to combatants in hostory is 3-5 to 1 combatant, and in Israel the ratio 1 to 1 is genocide?
@@mariusmihai1292 Israel has bombed Syria once a week since 2017.
@@schlafcomandante5662 no they bombed iran proxies that bombed israel in the first place.every week.
Shame on the EU and its double standards.
"Some EU countries" and you somehow go "ALL OF THE EU!!!!"
The comments on here are insane. Denmark, for instance, already said that the ICJ ruling must be upheld.
But then again, I've come to expect batshit crazy comments on every DW video, regardless of topic.
I agree with the EU. Hamas is bad and wrong but Israel has gone too far in disregarding and in some cases punishing Palestinian civilians
shame on you Sir
Why is it ok for Palestinians to punish Israeli citizens why the double standards @@valetudo1569
Fine, I prefere to live in shame with the Palestinians. So you may continue what you like!
But according to Mr. Yahoo, the rule of law is whatever they think is right...
Arrest warrants and decrees are flying thick and fast across Europe. Judges in Russia have issued arrest warrants for Zelensky and declared that Ukraine belongs to Russia, that half of Finland belongs to Russia and Russia is the rightful governor of Poland, Estonia, and possibly the planet Mars. Now the ICJ is shouting judens raus and the ICC is also issuing arrest warrants. The only problem for these two organizations is that there is no Waffen SS, no einsatzgruppen to back them up. OK, fine, Hugo Boss still mends their threadbare robes for them, but what difference does it make?
There are laws. Don't make a mistake...
Some people only care about Justice when it is used for their purpose and no one else's .
This is not justice. It's a global popularity contest.
@@SeanChYT isn't it irritating when during a w.. Campaign that there's a camera every metre or two ? Gotta shame em into doing things differently
@@four4eyes I don't really see your point. No photo or clip has been shared of anything genocidal like in Gaza. You know.. similar to what happened at the Nova music festival and other places in Israel on Oct 7th. Cameras sure didn't shame Hamas one bit. All wars are horrible, but Srebrenica was a genocide. Gaza is not. It's not complicated.
Sadly, that's the way of things right now. This situation has highlighted that fact more than any other before it.
@@SeanChYT the only people who see things as you describe are Israeli citizens or those in government
The US is opposing the ICC because it does not want international law to apply to the US. If international is applied to its ally in the future it may be applied to the US.
They just said that for the American people.
It's the ICJ. ICC is something different.
@@NoHairMan You are right I was confused about which international court. that the US and Israel want to ignore, this video was about.
But west lectures Russia
That's always been our policy.
Constitutional Law > international law
There is no "dilemma" whatsoever, the choice is between civilisation and law on the one hand versus barbarism and state terrorism on the other hand, an easy choice.
The head of the Israeli police (Itamar Ben-Gvir, Mister of National Security) was convicted of supporting terrorists and incitement to racism. He also had a picture of Baruch Goldstein, the terrorist from the Kach Terrorist group he supported, on the of his home. Israel is not against Terrorism it is for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
so definitely ditch the EU, ICJ, UN, and all the other promoters of terrorism and barbarism.
Yes, because zw is right while everyone else is wrong
@@zw9802thankfully he wasn't clear and didn't state who are the terrorists 😅
*SHAME ON the USA and the EU!*
for not sending in troops to remove Hamas.
all EU and US leave UN pls. whole Islam world will destroy again
@@maxman4948 Stay in school, learn to write.
@@adamredwine774 by all means, please send in the troops to replace hms. lets see if they have the balls to protect kids when idf comes to kidnap them, like they do in west bank 😆
America will NEVER send in troops there because they damn well know idf wont tolerate it.
@@adamredwine774For their double standard. Oppressed people will never abandon the fight for FREEDOM. NEVER!!!!!! The ANC was labeled as a terrorist organization in apartheid South Africa. Mandela was imprisoned for almost three decades. The people of Palestine shall be free.
War crimes are war crimes who ever does It ☮️
What means that there should be a lot more arrest warrants for (military) leaders.
@@juliarichter6987 Indeed. Terry Pratchett (as usual) had the right idea.
“Vimes, you have gone insane,” said Rust. “You can’t arrest the commander of an army!”
“Actually, Mr. Vimes, I think we could,” said Carrot. “And the army, too. I mean, I don’t see why we can’t. We could charge them with behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace, sir. I mean, that’s what warfare *is*.”
Vimes’s face split in a manic grin. “I like it.”
“But in fairness our-that is, the Ankh-Morpork army-are also-“
“Then you’d better arrest them, too,” said Vimes. “Arrest the lot of ‘em. Conspiracy to cause an affray,” he started to count on his fingers, “going equipped to commit a crime, obstruction, threatening behavior, loitering with intent, loitering within tent, hah, traveling for the purpose of committing a crime, malicious lingering and carrying concealed weapons.”
“I don’t think that one-” Carrot began.
“*I* can’t see ‘em,” said Vimes.
“Vimes, I order you to come to your senses this minute!” roared Lord Rust. “Have you been out in the sun?”
“That’s one count of offensive behavior to his lordship as well,” said Vimes.
- Terry Pratchett, Jingo
This is abhorrent!!!!
Stop the GENOCIDE!
That's what Israel is trying to do by going after Hama's.
Yes, stop Islam.
@@briankirchhoefer but Israel is losing everywhere 😁
Are you also talking about Ukraine?!
@@markk9348 No, Ukraine vs Russia is a War. But Israel vs innocent Palestanians is the Genocide.
Which European governments tried to pressure the judges? Was this Germany?
no, Trinidad og Tobago Sir
This needs to come out. Journalists need to find out.
Germany is def one of them
Scholz couldn't pressure them if they were trying to arrest him and his family😂. It was definitely France, the UK and possibly the Netherlands I would say.
It's so heartbreaking. How do world leaders allow this to happen? Are they incompetent or terribly corrupt?
CORRUPT.😢
@@da24del42 Corrupt = acting against common interest for personal benefit.
In this instance, world leaders (i.e. the US) acted in the selfish interest of their countries, rather then the benefit of the affected parties (i.e. the US desiring to have a military foothold in the Near East, more than desiring a just and peaceful life for either the Palestinians or the Israelis).
This is unethical, but it's not *corrupt* since there's no *personal* gain involved.
@@da24del42 Pretty sad. How can we exchange them against more integer politicians?
No double standards
Double standards render your rulings as biased and corrupted
the UN has been massively biased against Israel for decades, so that is the only double standard that exists.
UN is anti Israel not sure why we should expect any international body where arab nations have significant influence to be even remotely impartial on Israeli issues
@@zw9802 Of all hot takes, this one got to be just plain dumb. If the UN was *massively biased* against Israel for decades, then howtheheck did Israel get special treatment for decades?
@@Alblaka It's a common talking point with Israel's supporters, has been for decades. It's pure fantasy, but they've never let the truth get in the way of their rhetoric before, they're not likely to start now.
I wish the average people could be evacuated for safety. But they’re too worried they would not be let back in.
nope , last time Jordan Lebanon Egypt did that , Palestinians tried to usurp the governments and take over the countries....
Which dream reality do you live in ? Palestinian civilians in Gaza CANNOT LEAVE, Israel has blocked all access points to the gaza strip and has refused to let ANY AID IN. Trust me that if a gazan civilian could leave, they would in a heartbeat.
@@JLjl1910 you’re making your own dramatic statements and pointlessly disagreeing with me. We all know that they’re stuck.
Axis of evil has no difficulty to choose between Rule of law and other other options..
That is why we must be better
Eu lecture other rules of law now they confuse . How funny
@@sujancomilla How are terrorists treated in your country?
I don't remember them struggling when it came to upholding it against Serbia... and they still do to this day.
DW, it's better to turn off comments, your hypocrisy is exposed!
The dude is waking up. Unlike his first stand.
He is all talk, the US AND EU are hypocrites, imperialist, colonialists.
I choose Israel!! Rule of law?? From this biased and baseless court? Give me a break.
Just like the UN as well. Worthless
No, the UN has not been useless in this matter. The US, EU and the UK are the villain's here not the UN
Hello Borrell, pls read icj document carefully. If u don't understand legal terms, ask legal experts. 😂 icj's ruling to halt operation in rafah is dependent upon whether it causes mass destruction of civilians. As of today, approximately 1million civilians already left Rafah. In other words, no need to halt operation as only a handful of civilians left in Rafah.
Clearly, u don't understand legal terms.
No one not even America is not above the law.
What are you talking We are the Law 😂
@@nycgweedI heard that in a judge dredd voice.
The order is NOT binding, because the ICJ has no enforcement mechanism or a designated police force with which it can rely on to execute its various orders. The ICJ retains no functional authority to make various countries act appropriately.
There are good reasons for Israel to cease its operations in Rafah, but none of them have to do with the humanitarian crisis. War has always taken a tragic toll on civilian populations, but calling this a genocide is incorrect.
I believe if they traveled outside their country they could be arrested
*Western Hypocrisy has no end*
Who run the world...
Borrell where was your rule of law when France attacked Libya? Where was your rule of law when NATO bombed former Yugoslavia?
Wherever it was is irrelevant. Whenever you find your sanity, speak out. Must we remain foolish forever?
in his garden probably
Why isn't there a ruling like this for Russia?
"Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end,as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless." - llan Pappe
🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱😤😤😤😤
Hamas killed civilians and took hostages to start this ordeal. "Don't Start None, Won't Be None!"
Since 2,000 BCE -- centuries before the
peloset sea people -- Israeli civilized territory has always included the
west bank &
east jerusalem they are owner-residents
-- not "settler" -- only clowns say they are.
So true. The people of Palestine shall be free.
@@felixmoyoedonmi Z. MOHSEN 1977, the palestinian people does not exist. There is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese....the existance of a separate palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons.
There should be no dilemma, always choose to be in the side of justice.
Please tell me more about justice and democratic Ukraine with closed borders from which people try to escape across the river and often drown. The Economist, the publication spoke with Matvey, a Ukrainian who managed to cross the border. "He has seen enough of the safari in his city in western Ukraine, where the military prowls the streets in search of potential recruits. Matvey still believes in his country, he claims. After the war, it can rise again. But it will be without him: "The country no longer exists for me. There is no turning back."
Due to increased control over the Tisza River, evaders increasingly prefer mountain routes to Romania.
At the same time, local smugglers switched from selling cigarettes to transporting Ukrainian men abroad. One of them claims that he illegally smuggled 96 people across the border just after Easter.
From this, conclude that the demand for escape from the country is so high that the smugglers switched to this case. Everyone is running away from "Democracy and the good life."
And yet no one from them says to Hamas you must stop this war and surrender. Even if Israel is 99% wrong, you should stop fighting if you have nothing to fight for.
ICJ Orders on Rafah are Binding, Israel Must Obey
ICJ is a totally illegitimate, corrupt, morally bankrupt organization. why should anyone care what they say?
When will they rise up against against Hamas?
?
Josep Borrell, the European Union's foreign policy chief, stated that the EU faces a "difficult" choice between supporting the rule of law and international institutions or supporting Israel. This statement came after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered Israel to immediately cease its military offensive in Rafah, Gaza, citing the risk to the Palestinian population.
Borrell questioned whether the EU would align with the ICJ's ruling, which would uphold the rule of law, or continue supporting Israel despite its military actions in Gaza.
He acknowledged the deep divisions among EU member states regarding their stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, highlighting the need for a transformation in the EU's foreign policy decision-making processes.
Whether China 🇨🇳 likes it or not, the ruling is *final and legally binding.*
There's nothing else for the Philippines 🇵🇭 to settle with China.
Hague Tribunal already settled it by a ruling in 2016.
The Last Bot Returns😂😂😂
Take it easy pinoy! not everything is about the phillipines
Is that a question ?
What about rule of law on Iran and Palestine just to start with, also with Africa Ukraine by Russia, China,Korea etc etc lost me EU
EU and UN love those countries.
This sad this need to stop
Court order didn't say what you said it did DW.
By not recognising Palestine, EU has shown which side it belongs.
What's there to recognize? Pallies themselves reject statehood.
"Palestine" only has a disputed territory, two competing governments and little capacity to be an independent nation with sane relations to other states. It makes no sense recognizing this mess as a state.
Last count was, that 7 EU27 countries recognize her.
The e.u is made up of many countries, dont blame all of us
2:14 where did they get fruits and vegetables from to sell?
How on earth is this a dilemma? How can you even consider NOT following the rule of law, especially when it is regarding the worst crime humanity can commit? Mindblowing.
26k fighting aged men dead out of 36k total death in such dire conditions is Not a Genocide
Thouse who say we use double standards are severly underestimating our capabilities.
There is no dilemma as the UN was established by us including icc and ICJ so we need to abide the law. No one even America is above the law.
Thats not really how international law works but I wouldnt expect a pro palestinin to actually have read about any topic
I choose Israel.
Why? I guess evil has its advantages, but is that really the world you want to live in?
“Vimes, you have gone insane,” said Rust. “You can’t arrest the commander of an army!”
“Actually, Mr. Vimes, I think we could,” said Carrot. “And the army, too. I mean, I don’t see why we can’t. We could charge them with behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace, sir. I mean, that’s what warfare *is*.”
Vimes’s face split in a manic grin. “I like it.”
“But in fairness our-that is, the Ankh-Morpork army-are also-“
“Then you’d better arrest them, too,” said Vimes. “Arrest the lot of ‘em. Conspiracy to cause an affray,” he started to count on his fingers, “going equipped to commit a crime, obstruction, threatening behavior, loitering with intent, loitering within tent, hah, traveling for the purpose of committing a crime, malicious lingering and carrying concealed weapons.”
“I don’t think that one-” Carrot began.
“I can’t see ‘em,” said Vimes.
“Vimes, I order you to come to your senses this minute!” roared Lord Rust. “Have you been out in the sun?”
“That’s one count of offensive behavior to his lordship as well,” said Vimes.
- Terry Pratchett, Jingo
Very correct and courageous statement.
My Borell don't just give lip service at the world stage.
You have stand up for international laws.
Rule of war and not the rule of law.
ICJ should not be intimidated. The decision regarding Israel's PM is quite problematic.
It would be very interesting if Israel managed to catch Sinwar and deliver him to the ICJ. See what happens then.
The ICJ should also decide (if they could) that Hamas must leave Gaza and stop using civilians as human shields. It is a despicable war crime that has been going on for decades and is the reason for the current war.
EU must follow the law. Period. There are no room for interpretation or comradery. Israel is committing horrible warcrimes every day.
you and the EU would have prosecuted the US for liberating you in WW2, if you got the chance.
Don't you know that many member countries are starting to disengage from EU?
Garden Boy is a coward. He couldn't firmly say EU has to uphold international law😏
When DW reports this Israel is isolated indeed.
Joseph Borell read better and everything in the ruling of ICJ.
ICC's persecutor Karin Khan finally met families of hostages on Fri. He teared upon hearing their testimonies.....pls update on ICC's arrest warrants. Thx.
Israel never attacks first, the Arabs always attack first. Any country always has the right to defend itself against aggression and terrorism. And the one who started aggression and terror is to blame.
I watched a video on the Internet of Hamas abusing women hostages, it’s just terrible!!! And now Hamas is celebrating victory because the court found Israel guilty. ////
Netanyahu will be remembered as one of histories evil monsters. Israel have oppressed the Palestinian people for decades. Hamas is a symtom of israeli oppression and aggression. There can never be peace with oppression from a superior power.
Joseph Borrell... There's still an even more important choice - it's the choice between Eastern and Western values!
it's clear that the EU and UN have chosen the global south over western democracies. western democracies should ditch these organizations while they still can.
If the court order is ignored then there is no need of an international court
well, we already know that there is no need for these crooked, corrupt, counter-moral organizations.
Why arent they sending in.CIA, MI5/6 or even ex Mosad?
When cowardness and fear exchange vows, politicians emerge. And it is up to the people to bend over, keep them in power, and clean up their mess.
Which rule of Law should the EU countries support? Let the ICC decide which law is more humane, the Sunni and Shia laws?
Objection your honor, if you have never been in a combat zone, you don’t know what you are talking about.
I solved this ten years ago, but it was "not news".
Now you have your 'news', hope you're happy.
About time Europe has its own foreign policy instead of just following the US
What back to colonialism you mean ?
I’m wondering how long it will be before countries start sending troops to Gaza to defend the Palestinians from Israel.
Not long about 6 months
@@elprezidente116 that’s what I’m thinking as well.
Never. Tell us where Islam stands for civilized societies?
As soon as the US allows it. The US like Gantz would support an non-Isreali, non-American force in Gaza for a permanent cease-fire.
That would cause the US to send troops to help Israel.
Ok
Rubbish.
Democracy vs Dictatorship 😂😂
How is what Israel is doing to West Bank different from what the Allies did to Germany and Japan in WW 2?
There's no one above the law right? Right?
EU must choose between rule of flaw and it's own military futurer (4th Geneva Convention 1949 article 23 a,b,c favours IDF).
So the court is just going to ignore that Hamas killed civilians and took hostages to start this whole ordeal? "Don't Start None, Won't Be None!"
I agree, What Hamas did is wrong. But did you know, What Israel is doing is also a violation of international law? illegal settlement in the west bank for example. West bank is not under Hamas.
smh my head, youtube censoring my comment again related to Israel wrong doing
They have to ignore it. They have no other option but too. Why, they can only investigate countries that have signed up. They can only deal with crimes that happen on Palestinian areas as they applied to join it. You know this and are trying to muddy the waters.
Question?
When is Israel going to get the leader of Hamas?
No ceasefire.
No aid.
No mercy.
@NorseMythology-pv1eg like on the 7th you mean?
Monster!
@NorseMythology-pv1eg 100 eyes for one eye.
The world is headed for its doom.
The rhetorical question: Will terrorist organizations take advantage of the fact that it could be profitable to use civilians as human shields?
The tremendous negative focus on Israel leads to a decreasing negative focus on terrorist organizations. The rhetorical question. Do they want to use the negative focus on Israel to recruit new members, which will be harmful to the security of the entire world? Of course. It increases radicalization.
Radicalization as a four-stage process:
Pre-radical. The person joins or identifies with a group or organization.
Self-identify. The person believes and accepts the beliefs and views held by the group or organization.
Indoctrination. ...
Terrorism.
Please choose rule of law 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Greed and power of American and Israel knows no bound.
Why you all hiding the hostages and supporting Hamas
Why has Israel been conducting ethnic cleansing for over 75 years? Why has Israel continually bombed Palestine? Why does Israel continue to build illegal settlement on Palestinian land? Why has Israel murdered over 35,000 (documented) people over the last eight months? Why does Israel try to influence ( through bribes) international politics? Why does Israel continue to lie about events that occurred in October 7th and their prior knowledge of Hamas’ (then) pending attack? Why does Israel reject the world order, hence ICJ and ICC court rulings? I wonder why 🤔
why is Israel starving and killing the hostages? Why is it refusing hostage deals to bring them back? Because the Israeli government doesn't care about the hostages, it only cares about staying in power
Israel doesn't care about the hostages. Israel claimed finding Hamas headquarters but didn't release the hostages
This has nothing to do with Hamas. But you can't nuke a bank to get a bank robber!
EU must choose between Borrell and decency
Giggle alright there
The Cat's out of the Bag...
Garden man.
😂we all know what the EU will choose
Iemand die toch al "Borrell" heet moet het niet nog erger maken door in het openbaar zijn bek open te trekken, ... Josep Borrell, ... de naam zegt het al hè, ... "Zij dronken een glas, zij deden een plas, ... en zij lieten de zaak zoals hij was", ...
Josep Borrell is so right: International laws OR unconditional, ironclad, sacrosanct support and impunity for Israel.
"We want a final cease fire, despite our crimes.....
Which crime
The EU (and all countries) should respect and follow the international rule of law.
No food for the wicked
How do they want russia to listen to em when they wont
Does the EU belong in the UN when its own future is orchestrated by Outsiders?
Rule of Law👍👍
It's not the rule of law if they don't return the hostages. They are human beings too.
And you really think, Netanjahu cares about the hostages? That's not his plan, open your eyes.
@rainerzufall42 Neither do you or ICJ really care about the hostages. So they both really don't care. Why would idf listen to icj when that is the case?
WTF
What about SinWar ?
Burelli is like sleepy joe
ICJ orders are binding, but what does that mean if they are not enforced and without consequences in case of disrespect?
EU must beware that the world is watching whether EU nations is a sovereign country or a US lackey, EU future depends on it what other nations perceive of EU will decide it's future trade, trust & co-operations with other nations.
Exposed 🤔
At least ONE of the corrupt EU higher ups who's telling the truth.
EU rule of law 😂😂😂 Is that a sick joke
US wants to sanction the ICJ 😅
Exactly correct
American president should not be scare . No need to come under pressure of AIPC . You can win elections only you have to move according to your student and your people fulfil demand. student and people want sovereign palastine .
You should have included what the actual text was as Israel is claiming it can still operate in Rafah. The test for that is
"1. The State of Israel shall immediately withdraw and cease its military offensive in the Rafah Governorate"
Does not look like any leeway.