Gemini Saint is always the strongest. Here are some quotes from saint seiya all arcs and next dimension. Ikki “as expected of the Gemini gold saint who is said to be the strongest of the twelve” “The strongest gold saint to serve Athena” Suiyko “This man may very well be the strongest of the gold saints” Ikki “ between all my opponents I’ve fought this one is probably the strongest” “ I’ve never felt a tremor like that” in reference to galaxsion explosion. That impact seemed to shake the sky and earth was certainly the most powerful technique of the Gemini saint” Odysseus “across several generations Gemini is considered to be the strongest among the gold saints” Shaka said he wouldn't have been able to handle a second round of Saga's Another Dimension Saga dismantled all of Shaka's illusions and even Ikki wasn’t able to break Shaka's illusions. Saga mind controlled Aiolia Saga had played the entire sanctuary and it was known and feared that he was capable of busting galaxies with his hands
I wouldn't say always since Omega and Lost Canvas, while not on the 'main' timeline, are still canon within the Saint Seiya multiverse. But I'd definitely say Saga was the strongest of his generation by a mile in the Sanctuary arc, and Kanon seemed to be a top tier in the Hades Arc. Saga was definitely the strongest in Episode G on average besides some of Leo's Miracle bursts, but even then Saga would have greater Miracles. In Episode G Assassin, while they barely appeared, 8th Sense Saga and Pope Kanon were busted as well Even the Omega Gemini were stronger than most solely because of Galaxian Explosion for offense and their unique Space-Time abilities etc. I'm going through Lost Canvas now so idr how strong he was
@@sagittariusseiya8310 yeh Saga never used all his ability it seems. Shaka went all out cause he had too. I still think Saga is more powerful then Shaka
So I think saga is so powerful than before , maybe it would origin of Gemini saga , I am sure of it , but can you please make the history of Gemini saga , I want to see it for sure!
I've been looking for this video for years!!! That's the kind of content I needed whenever I was discussing with people that Saga is stronger than Shaka and they wouldn't believe me haha thank you so much for this!!! 👏💪🙌
Word I’m sick of seeing shaka as the strongest gold saint. No chance. It is even said an episode “strongest of the gold saints” talking about saga. Also it is also said aiolious and saga are the strongest of the gold saints
@@pegasusseiya1729 also Saga’s Galaxian explosion is the strongest move by far. It talks about this in episodes I would have to find the quotes. Gemini Cain and Abel were the strongest gold saints of the earlier time period as well. It even says Over the years the Gemini saint has been the strongest!! Gemini is so powerful it’s biggest enemy is itself.
Great Video, I'd say he's universal in base as in the Light Novel it stated every gold daint can destroy the universe, obviously on weaker scale than the AE which destroys space and times. His durability is at least Uni+ as Shaka survived the AE w/o scratch. Mu also stated they'd be able to survive the side effects of two AEs colliding which'd multiply the AEs power by infinite (Multiversal). So Uni in base and higher with Cosmos.
Is that the novel written by Okada and drawn by Chimak? I forgot how it was stated but i would put it as every saint has the potential to destroy the universe. Possibly, the manga suggests he simply died and unlocked the 8th sense. Will check on that My comment tho, thanks for watching.
@@godclothshango1194 It was was Collab by all the authors. Its called Saint Seiya Golden Age. saintseiya.fandom.com/es/wiki/Saint_Seiya:_Golden_Age Heres the direct quote: imgur.com/a/9prRF
The canoncity of the novel is pretty debatable, at least when speaking of it in relation to the original manga timeline, considering Kurumada's involvement was in name only. Fair game for composite Saga, but more debatable for his manga canon self. Shaka's survival was through unlocking the 8th Sense as everything within the scene was pointing to the Athena Exclamation being overkill for any Gold Saint to take head-on, not to mention his physical body fading into dust after taking it. Mu didn't directly state that he'd survive it, only that one couldn't without a Gold Cloth when Shiryu was helping push it in favour of the Gold Cloth trio. Mu even states that Saga, Camus and Shura would be killed by the resulting explosion and the destruction of Sanctuary's entirety says a lot when Mu initially thought the 3 revived Gold Saints may have been killed by a Tenma Kofuku powerful enough to destroy just one temple. With how it's treat, as far as the original manga goes, no Gold Saint should be surviving an Athena Exclamation without miracles or via the 8th Sense.
And somewhat one of the most tragic characters, since the evil spirit / dark personality made him do things he never wanted, like trying to m*rder baby Athena and suffers from his dark side sins.
I'd like to point out that potential inconsistency involving the Titan of Time Cronus. During the fight with Saga while in his astral form, Cronus claims that it was the very same form he took when he killed Uranus. This however is wrong as we've actually seen Cronus in his true body wielding his Soma when fighting his father. Furthermore, at that time actually looked like an adult rather than an teenager when he finally got his body back. It has been stated by the other titans and Mnemosyne herself that his resurrection didn't completely succeed as Aioria didn't use the right type of lightning based technique. So its very likely that Cronus was in fact a lot stronger when he had fought Uranus than what he was shown to be during his fight with Aiolia. A potential explanation for the inconsistency of Cronus' claim that he was in his astral form when he killed Uranus is that he could be remembering things wrong or Mnemosyne herself could have altered his memory of the event. She did alter the memories of the other Titans to make them weaker than what they should have been.
All very possible. My assumption was while he made have had his cosmos, it was not in a body that can actually use it, just pure energy. Overall it's rather unquantifiable.
@@godclothshango1194 Agreed but truth be told it wouldn't make much sense for Cronus to be able to kill Uranus in a form that makes him significantly weaker and more vulnerable.
Saga travels dimensions, easily blocks attacks like aiolia’s lightning plasma (equal to Shaka demon pacifier) and gets stronger when all his senses are taken away. How can Shaka beat saga?
@@tanmin8268 Ikki affected Saga's mind with Phoenix Illusion Demonic Fist, that didn't affected Shaka at All, Saga Mental Power is weaker, he got problems with Basic ilusions of Shaka that stuck him, Shura and Camus temporally in the Cancer, Shaka can walk thought dimensions so another dimension don't do shit on him If it is in a 1x1 and he 's serious, Kahn protect against any phisical attack, so Galáxia Explosion wouldn't work on him, as well as Senses removal cause Saga remove It with phisical attacks, If Shaka removes Saga mind the Battle is over. Saga's Demon Emperor's Fist wouldn't work on Shaka cause Shaka mental Power is Far superior, It didn't even work on Ikki imagine Shaka.
This is something I don't like about scaling Saint Seiya characters in debates, people use feats from every single manga of SS, mangas in which most of them don't even happen in the same universe/continuity. This video for instance, uses feats from Episode G, Episode G assassin and Classic Manga. Ep G Saga =/= Ep G Assassin Saga =/= Classic Saga , as they are all separete universes and the feats of one of theses "Sagas" DOES NOT count for the other ones.
Basically use the same composite logic and scaling as i would with Digimon. I do note where the series the feats come from and how they would scale without it somewhat in the end.
@@StarPlatinumSorridente kurumada commissioned them ( he did that with everyone) and in a interview he said he wanted to do something like the star wars prequels so that's how g came in and there is plenty of room for ga to be canon considered it takes place TEN YEARS after sts
Pretty good video. Cain being stronger is debatable though since we know that Shura and Shaka(both Cain and Shaka are > Shijima and Saga is stronger than Shaka)are stronger than their predecessors and Saga has somewhat better feats than Cain tbh(since he was beating Cronus while only in his Astral form was stronger than 1 seal Titans who were pushing universal). I'd put Cain and Saga in a similar tier.
X being stronger than X will always be up for debate in the series because strength is usually for plot reasons. If you look in the comments someone goes into detail on the cronus thing and how GA affected him, and the rest of the fight he used a god killing weapon. Don't remember any statements saying Shura is stronger than Izo. Shaka may just be unique in his strength. Still why Saga may have better feats for now, b ikki stated he is likely the strongest person he has faced and cain is many times stated to be the strongest saint of that generation. So I see it as clear intent from the author that Cain is the strongest saint the gold bronze saints have met and nothing contradicts it.
@@godclothshango1194 Ikki did say that while comparing him to Saga. As we all know the strongest gets thrown around a lot by Kurumada. Izou himself tells Shura that he's stronger than him and especially after GA feat Shura is stronger. Also the golden dagger has been in Saga's possession most of his on screen time so him using it is not out of character. Also Cronus had to hide from GE not the dagger so there's that. Either way I agree Saga and Cain seem to be in a similar tier from quotes and feats.
@@Gemini_Sage Also note Ikki used all he had with the same attack on both saga and cain, Cain was only pushed back a bit while saga was knocked over. I have to look over it again i remember at the point of training Shura was a child and Izo was old and dying. Not a matter of it being out of character just he used it after GA and it is what made cronus fear not being able to regenerate. Overall like Aiolos defeating Typhoon it's just not very quantifiable. Pretty much.
Gemini Saint is always the strongest. Here are some quotes from saint seiya all arcs and next dimension.
Ikki “as expected of the Gemini gold saint who is said to be the strongest of the twelve”
“The strongest gold saint to serve Athena”
Suiyko “This man may very well be the strongest of the gold saints”
Ikki “ between all my opponents I’ve fought this one is probably the strongest”
“ I’ve never felt a tremor like that” in reference to galaxsion explosion.
That impact seemed to shake the sky and earth was certainly the most powerful technique of the Gemini saint”
Odysseus “across several generations Gemini is considered to be the strongest among the gold saints”
Shaka said he wouldn't have been able to handle a second round of Saga's Another Dimension
Saga dismantled all of Shaka's illusions and even Ikki wasn’t able to break Shaka's illusions.
Saga mind controlled Aiolia
Saga had played the entire sanctuary and it was known and feared that he was capable of busting galaxies with his hands
Nice!
I wouldn't say always since Omega and Lost Canvas, while not on the 'main' timeline, are still canon within the Saint Seiya multiverse. But I'd definitely say Saga was the strongest of his generation by a mile in the Sanctuary arc, and Kanon seemed to be a top tier in the Hades Arc. Saga was definitely the strongest in Episode G on average besides some of Leo's Miracle bursts, but even then Saga would have greater Miracles. In Episode G Assassin, while they barely appeared, 8th Sense Saga and Pope Kanon were busted as well
Even the Omega Gemini were stronger than most solely because of Galaxian Explosion for offense and their unique Space-Time abilities etc. I'm going through Lost Canvas now so idr how strong he was
Epic, I’m glad that I was born a Gemini..
Yeah me too
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I wish Saga use Final Destination that move can cancel the opponents senses.
@@sagittariusseiya8310 yeh Saga never used all his ability it seems.
Shaka went all out cause he had too.
I still think Saga is more powerful then Shaka
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Yeah, but still Saga should use Final Destination.
So I think saga is so powerful than before , maybe it would origin of Gemini saga , I am sure of it , but can you please make the history of Gemini saga , I want to see it for sure!
Gemini Saga is definitely the beast!
I've been looking for this video for years!!! That's the kind of content I needed whenever I was discussing with people that Saga is stronger than Shaka and they wouldn't believe me haha thank you so much for this!!! 👏💪🙌
Word I’m sick of seeing shaka as the strongest gold saint. No chance. It is even said an episode “strongest of the gold saints” talking about saga. Also it is also said aiolious and saga are the strongest of the gold saints
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So true.
@@pegasusseiya1729 word g
@@pegasusseiya1729 also Saga’s Galaxian explosion is the strongest move by far. It talks about this in episodes I would have to find the quotes. Gemini Cain and Abel were the strongest gold saints of the earlier time period as well. It even says Over the years the Gemini saint has been the strongest!!
Gemini is so powerful it’s biggest enemy is itself.
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Imagine Saga and Frieza are working together, that would be fantastic villains.
Saga is a beaaassst!!!!!
Ive been looking forward to this!!
Very cool ability
I love Saga, but damn Aspros must be the most badass Gemini saint in the history of Gemini saints
This guy is Saga Episode G,
Best villian
Great Video, I'd say he's universal in base as in the Light Novel it stated every gold daint can destroy the universe, obviously on weaker scale than the AE which destroys space and times.
His durability is at least Uni+ as Shaka survived the AE w/o scratch. Mu also stated they'd be able to survive the side effects of two AEs colliding which'd multiply the AEs power by infinite (Multiversal). So Uni in base and higher with Cosmos.
Is that the novel written by Okada and drawn by Chimak? I forgot how it was stated but i would put it as every saint has the potential to destroy the universe. Possibly, the manga suggests he simply died and unlocked the 8th sense. Will check on that My comment tho, thanks for watching.
@@godclothshango1194 It was was Collab by all the authors. Its called Saint Seiya Golden Age.
saintseiya.fandom.com/es/wiki/Saint_Seiya:_Golden_Age
Heres the direct quote: imgur.com/a/9prRF
Is that light novel Kanon?
@@ge9884 Yes
The canoncity of the novel is pretty debatable, at least when speaking of it in relation to the original manga timeline, considering Kurumada's involvement was in name only. Fair game for composite Saga, but more debatable for his manga canon self.
Shaka's survival was through unlocking the 8th Sense as everything within the scene was pointing to the Athena Exclamation being overkill for any Gold Saint to take head-on, not to mention his physical body fading into dust after taking it. Mu didn't directly state that he'd survive it, only that one couldn't without a Gold Cloth when Shiryu was helping push it in favour of the Gold Cloth trio. Mu even states that Saga, Camus and Shura would be killed by the resulting explosion and the destruction of Sanctuary's entirety says a lot when Mu initially thought the 3 revived Gold Saints may have been killed by a Tenma Kofuku powerful enough to destroy just one temple. With how it's treat, as far as the original manga goes, no Gold Saint should be surviving an Athena Exclamation without miracles or via the 8th Sense.
Literally the Guy that can beat Goku. Like how they say “can he beat Goku tho.”
Don't get me wrong, Saga is one of the best villain in Saint Seiya series.
And somewhat one of the most tragic characters, since the evil spirit / dark personality made him do things he never wanted, like trying to m*rder baby Athena and suffers from his dark side sins.
You might wanna redo this
New and revised info Puts the verse around low complex to complex multiversal
A group is working on a cosmology revision currently.
I'd like to point out that potential inconsistency involving the Titan of Time Cronus.
During the fight with Saga while in his astral form, Cronus claims that it was the very same form he took when he killed Uranus. This however is wrong as we've actually seen Cronus in his true body wielding his Soma when fighting his father. Furthermore, at that time actually looked like an adult rather than an teenager when he finally got his body back. It has been stated by the other titans and Mnemosyne herself that his resurrection didn't completely succeed as Aioria didn't use the right type of lightning based technique. So its very likely that Cronus was in fact a lot stronger when he had fought Uranus than what he was shown to be during his fight with Aiolia.
A potential explanation for the inconsistency of Cronus' claim that he was in his astral form when he killed Uranus is that he could be remembering things wrong or Mnemosyne herself could have altered his memory of the event. She did alter the memories of the other Titans to make them weaker than what they should have been.
All very possible. My assumption was while he made have had his cosmos, it was not in a body that can actually use it, just pure energy. Overall it's rather unquantifiable.
@@godclothshango1194 Agreed but truth be told it wouldn't make much sense for Cronus to be able to kill Uranus in a form that makes him significantly weaker and more vulnerable.
In which manga they show the birth of the Gemini twins?
Like Origin or Zero
What manga is that at 6:07
Cuz I've never seen that around
Saint Seiya Sainta Sho.
@@godclothshango1194 thank you. Also do you have saint seiya Awakening If so
Could I add u
@@lishuwen2360 Welcome and not yet but tell you when I do.
@@godclothshango1194 alrighty I look forward to the next video
Very cool, but Shaka solos no dif
Saga travels dimensions, easily blocks attacks like aiolia’s lightning plasma (equal to Shaka demon pacifier) and gets stronger when all his senses are taken away. How can Shaka beat saga?
@@tanmin8268 bruh equal to Shaka's Demon Pacifier while he is nerfing himself with his eyes close**
@@tanmin8268 If wasn't 3 of them vs Shaka, Saga, Camus or Shura none of them alone could handle Shaka.
@@tanmin8268 Ikki affected Saga's mind with Phoenix Illusion Demonic Fist, that didn't affected Shaka at All, Saga Mental Power is weaker, he got problems with Basic ilusions of Shaka that stuck him, Shura and Camus temporally in the Cancer, Shaka can walk thought dimensions so another dimension don't do shit on him If it is in a 1x1 and he 's serious, Kahn protect against any phisical attack, so Galáxia Explosion wouldn't work on him, as well as Senses removal cause Saga remove It with phisical attacks, If Shaka removes Saga mind the Battle is over. Saga's Demon Emperor's Fist wouldn't work on Shaka cause Shaka mental Power is Far superior, It didn't even work on Ikki imagine Shaka.
@@tanmin8268 How tf Saga would Win ??
Origin and Episode Zero are regarded to be cannon right?
Yeah both are canon.
@@jorgecarranza6555 I thought so, but I thought it was cannon since it was in Masami Kurumada's artstyle.
@@tidusLV426 Well Kurumada is the one who made those and ready we will have another mini arc.
Yep 100% the work of kurumada.
This is something I don't like about scaling Saint Seiya characters in debates, people use feats from every single manga of SS, mangas in which most of them don't even happen in the same universe/continuity. This video for instance, uses feats from Episode G, Episode G assassin and Classic Manga.
Ep G Saga =/= Ep G Assassin Saga =/= Classic Saga , as they are all separete universes and the feats of one of theses "Sagas" DOES NOT count for the other ones.
Basically use the same composite logic and scaling as i would with Digimon. I do note where the series the feats come from and how they would scale without it somewhat in the end.
Epg is said to be canon epga is unknown but I'd assume so
@@aden060 Ep G and Ep G assassin are not even written by Kurumada.
@@StarPlatinumSorridente kurumada commissioned them ( he did that with everyone) and in a interview he said he wanted to do something like the star wars prequels so that's how g came in and there is plenty of room for ga to be canon considered it takes place TEN YEARS after sts
Every one I mean
Pretty good video. Cain being stronger is debatable though since we know that Shura and Shaka(both Cain and Shaka are > Shijima and Saga is stronger than Shaka)are stronger than their predecessors and Saga has somewhat better feats than Cain tbh(since he was beating Cronus while only in his Astral form was stronger than 1 seal Titans who were pushing universal). I'd put Cain and Saga in a similar tier.
X being stronger than X will always be up for debate in the series because strength is usually for plot reasons. If you look in the comments someone goes into detail on the cronus thing and how GA affected him, and the rest of the fight he used a god killing weapon. Don't remember any statements saying Shura is stronger than Izo. Shaka may just be unique in his strength.
Still why Saga may have better feats for now, b ikki stated he is likely the strongest person he has faced and cain is many times stated to be the strongest saint of that generation. So I see it as clear intent from the author that Cain is the strongest saint the gold bronze saints have met and nothing contradicts it.
@@godclothshango1194 Ikki did say that while comparing him to Saga. As we all know the strongest gets thrown around a lot by Kurumada. Izou himself tells Shura that he's stronger than him and especially after GA feat Shura is stronger.
Also the golden dagger has been in Saga's possession most of his on screen time so him using it is not out of character. Also Cronus had to hide from GE not the dagger so there's that.
Either way I agree Saga and Cain seem to be in a similar tier from quotes and feats.
@@Gemini_Sage Also note Ikki used all he had with the same attack on both saga and cain, Cain was only pushed back a bit while saga was knocked over. I have to look over it again i remember at the point of training Shura was a child and Izo was old and dying.
Not a matter of it being out of character just he used it after GA and it is what made cronus fear not being able to regenerate. Overall like Aiolos defeating Typhoon it's just not very quantifiable.
Pretty much.
@@godclothshango1194 Interested in Saga's role in Ep G part 3 since Okada has him around still.
@@Gemini_Sage Same, I guess is sense that is Saga of Chaos world, it's possible that the owl form is keeping him alive in the living world.