What’s the Truth Behind ‘Oumuamua? - Ask a Spaceman!
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Where did ‘Oumuamua come from? What is it made of, and how did it end up here? Is it really an artifact of an alien civilization? I discuss these questions and more in today’s Ask a Spaceman!
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1:39 The Mysteries Oumuamua
6:33 Review of Extraterrestrial
8:58 Interstellar Interloper
13:29 Alone In The Night
19:31 A Shot In The Dark
24:30 Into The Aviverse
31:48 I Want To Believe - Věda a technologie
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Individuals have no place in fixing the environment. These scams are meant to take the focus off of the rich capitalists who actually ruin our climate.
Oumuamua is apparently red in color indicating an iron component. Certain frequencies of light and charge particles cause current flow in different metals. With current comes a flux field. Magnetic field from the sun(or other planets/stars/bodies) and or charged particles can then interact with this flux field to impart an accelleration. Certain metals can also become magnetized in which case they will be influenced by magnetic fields of other bodies i.e. planets and stars. This would likely be the case with countless other objects in the universe and could explain some other things such as the galaxy spin and eliminate the need for dark matter.
Paul , please do a video on the physics of Oumuamua , I would very much like to hear your thoughts of this interloper .
It is a shame that "reasonable" always gets overshadowed by "extraordinary".
A far far cry from “Rendezvous with Rama”. Glad you came out in full on your own, if nothing else to ease your spirit.
Don't hold back. What do you *really* think about this book?
Love it!! I bought and read the book -- I was skeptical as I read through it, I had the same reaction, if everything is alien then nothing can be proven, but the journey was entertaining. In 30 minutes you clarified concisely. Thanks for your insights Paul. You really should have your own national show.
I’m so glad I found you my friend. Thank God.
If I were Loeb, I would locate his theory as an excercise of thinking and not go behond that. In that way he would retain the best of two worlds: Being a serious Harvard astronomer and being worldwide popular as well. It's good to make questions (theories) in order to promote thinking. But to be seen hardly assuring that an allien spaceship visited our solar sistem without undeniable evidence can be bad for your reputation.
I don't know Loeb but remember that I once stopped listening to an interview with him when he started throwing those accusations of lacking imagination and so on around after essentially babbling on about nothing of substance. Wrote him off as a bit of a nutcase who somehow made it into a podcast of interest. If it's aliens, prove it. No need to accuse anyone of anything, winner takes it all. The problem is that it's never aliens.
The book isn't even on my radar but the review was certainly entertaining.
The contrast between Sagan and Loeb could not be more stark. Loeb would have done well to heed Sagan's axioms and not just the 'extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence' one but also 'the thing you want to be true the most is the thing you need to be the most skeptical about'
Loeb has always struck me as an overtly ambitious self-promoter. Thanks for taking this on.
Thank you.
nice video
Regarding the light sail argument: One thing I have learned in the past couple of decades: A lot of things come to existence that almost no one could predict. When you look at something like Bitcoin, or Social Networks, you don't see any old sci-fi novel that had a good prediction on them. Similar story exists for when we look at even older sci-fi predictions. All of that means the stretch of our imagination cannot go very far. It only goes to the edge of our knowledge.
Now when someone says some alien tech must be light sail, it's most likely because his imagination could not go further than our current knowledge. He could not imagine some other alien tech that could slowly propel a space craft. Even Faster than light traveling, or teleportation is the edge of our knowledge, based on general relativity, and quantum mechanics.
For another example of the limits of imagination, consider how often sci-fi aliens have alphabets and arrange their names like "first-name surname", making them less different from Western countries than China already is in real life.
"Bitcoin" has nothing to do with a PhD understanding the ways that you can travel through space.
@@HebaruSan TBH, One example of good imagination that I barely see in any Scifi movie was the Probability drive from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. How many movies have FTL or warp drive or something similar? Now, how many said fuck it, let's have probability drive and be everywhere we want.
Noticed a lot of smaller objects lately, similar shape to Oumuamua, but like long thin sticks which blend into the night sky. They are seen clearer with the peripheral vision & move slowly across the sky. Can't find any info about these online, They are very odd?
Do I need WREN? I already have a Model Y.
Thank you for the full review.
Seems I didn‘t miss anything.
Well done, sir. 👍
Excellent and spot on in every regard.
What a brilliant demolition! :)))
It's crazy how Loeb somehow ended up on the Joe Rogan podcast. Never could've seen that coming.
If you believe something stupid, without good reason, there is always room for you on the Joe Rogan show.
@@RaveyDavey Yeah. Because the podcast that smart people like, but that you don't like, means everyone else is stupid.
unfortunately I did not have the benefit of your review and I bought his book a few months ago. Totally agree with your review, it was unscientific fluff. Peter at Cool Worlds had a similar critique of Prof. Loeb and the Omuamua book. thanks for the video.
Your review was extremely entertaining. 😁
I salute You, Paul M. Sutter.
Wonderful review! Dr. Sutter, was the motion speed of the solar system taken into account when observing the data of the object? I was just wondering if oumuamua approached the solar system in its directional motion and the acceleration observed on the objet's escape velocity is due to the solar system moving away at the same time. I love astronomy and physics but don't have a degree or education in those fields. Thank you.
10:28 “access ratio”
aspect ratio?
Thank you for this excellent review!
Spot on Paul.
This is what we want to hear, a rational analysis of a theme. If it's probably aliens OK, but if it isn't... ok either. I love science, but I also dream with the day an alien sign or object reach us... whatever the situation, only the truth and a sincere analysis matters. We'll done. You gained a follower here, only interested in the truth itself.
Resorting to “it’s aliens” is no different than the god of the gaps argument. It’s about desperately wanting an answer but being too lazy to think about other possibilities or being too coward to say you don’t know.
I swear, that same thought just kept running through my mind.
Yeah... until one time, it's aliens
Oumuamua was only traveling at 0.000003% of the speed of light. Not really worth exploring the galaxy if you were an alien civilization. Only about twice the speed of the Voyager spacecrafts, for example, and we don't really think the Voyager's will ever get to another star.
Excellent and very funny takedown!
To whomever decides these things:
Don't pick an asteroid name that has five syllables.
Carbon is a good thing not bad. Please learn about this.
I know Everybody needs money but seeing more and more commercials on my favorite channels sux :(
Great vid by the way
Not a big deal
Great argumentation.. but
18:20
Technically there would only have to be one single alien civilisation to explain Oumuamua as a an alien probe, not necesarelly a large number of them.
waaaait. why do you say that? The reason why there has to be a "large number of them" is because statistically and on a macro level, the universe is sooo big, that the chances that our solar system, would be the recipient of a "alien light sail bouy" are infinitley small... Thus, the higher number of technologically advanced alien civilizations, who are specificially making this type of craft(because that also factors in to the chances of us, witnessing this event) means the more probable that this has occured.. You dont see the logic? Like why do you think he said that?
@@raidermaxx2324 yes, chances small but not impossible. It would remain only one specimen until other such probes of different origins were discovered
@@user-hu3iy9gz5j The chances are so incredibly small that it's not remotely a satisfactory explanation. Especially not when we have other possibilities.
@@RaveyDavey One sample is one sample
@@raidermaxx2324 Yeah... unless, I don't know... they sent the probe to our solar system specifically?
Like... ya know.. if a civilization finds the Voyager craft someday, it doesn't mean that there's a "large amount of human civilizations in the universe".
It only takes one.
You thoroughly handled a megalomaniac as a figment of his own delusion. There is and will continue to be a conspicuous influence on reality that deems the purpose of reality to be a mere starting point in creating an “alternate” to reality.
Climate change is normal, climate no change is abnormal. How well can you see Uranus with that telescope?
I used to like Loeb before all this, but i realised i'd only seen him in interviews acting as a futurist rather than a scientist. Now, whenever i see him talking about "real" things, i feel intense third party embarrassment. He's a bit bonkers, and actually doesn't seem to have a sense of logic.
yea i feel ya on that self snitch
on one hand tho, i still think that he has one point that is valid, and that it is ok, to question whether or not it was an alien "artifact" if that makes a greater public interest, nd means that we go after the answers harder. ya know.. but still ya i feel ya
It seems Loeb has succumbed to confirmation bias which seems very strange for such a well qualified scientist. Making the fewest assumptions one could speculate that he's more interested in book revenue than scientific truth.
Alien == wishful thinking
Xenomorph
Bravo!
OMG. The narcissistic nature of AVI is best exemplified by his citations? What a lobe sided reference list
Im going to guess you dont like this man.
I refuse to call it that name, just like I don't call Germany "Deutschland" absolutely ridiculous
Fun fact: i did one of those into my toilet & it took 11 days to flush it.
Wow... it appears that all "I don't agree with Paul Sutter" comments are deleted here. That's pretty telling.
Wow
Oh..muamua again
Funny how they start with the premise that climate change is real 😂.
You make the Canadian Prime Minister sound smart.
Sadly I thought you Dr. Sutter would be more open minded. Avi Loeb DID NOT say that IT WAS alien technology. What he did say was it had the potential to be that kind of technology which he based on the data at hand at that time. It would be an understatement to say that I am disappointed. Your only goal was to discredit an idea which is paramount to what is science. That being, keep an open mind and follow the data. Is this the new cancel culture when you dismiss out of hand someone else's data driven idea when it doesn't match your own? Sad disappointment.
I don't think you actually watched the video.
1) Trying to disprove ideas *is* actually paramount to science. If the idea is correct, it cannot be discredited. Speculating wildly without contact with reality is not science.
2) As explained in the video, Loeb's idea is not based on data but on personal benefit.
3) On the contrary, data says Oumuamua was a natural object. At no point in time did data point to an artificial origin.
I agree. He's bringing attention back to astronomy. How bout we just think of Loeb as a cheerleader for science?
I can't wait till Loeb gets his evidence and proves the doubters wrong ;) The UAPX research group already over 600 hours of UAP. Their paper is out early next year. It's not looking good for the sceptics
Oumuamua is one of the strangest objects we've ever seen in space, so it's worth having a closer look. I think that's Avi's point. Paul isn't interested in looking, which is fine - but he isn't interested in anything he doesn't understand - generally. Not my kind of scientist.
I think the sceptics need to be a little careful with their proclamations and attacking scientists like Loeb in the current climate, Sutter and DeGrass....ect will end up looking really silly. Moreover, a sarcy, slightly venomous book review, just doesn't suit me. That could be a persona issue (which is bit subjective)
However there are no natural explanations for Oumuamua holding so far, so Alien technology is a likely explanation
That makes no logical sense. There were no natural explanations for lightning, tides, the phases of the moon, hurricanes etc etc at various times in history. So people, making the same logical error that you're making, pushed for a god as explanation. Of course they were always wrong and we found natural explanations.
As for "likely" - you've not even proven "possible". We don't even know if there are aliens yet alone intelligent aliens, yet alone intelligent aliens making spaceships out of rocks, yet along such aliens in spaceships that have somehow made it here. So no, you cannot say it's "likely".
All you can is that there is some anomalous behaviour that was measured.
@@RaveyDavey Okay "likely" was maybe pushing too much, but it's very possible at least.
The thing is, Avi is respecting the audience's desire. People are excited about Aliens, he's talking about Aliens.
I just don't understand why the scientific community keeps only talking to themselves and to their ego, even when we have an elephant in the room
@@joyboy-zx that's the difference - he and you want to talk about whatever you think is exciting, others want to explore scientific reality. Personally I find the latter to also be exciting, but opinions may vary
@@esquilax5563 but the reason why Oumuamua is so relevant in the 1st place is bcs it could be astrobiological evidence of life. Otherwise it's just more of the same and we're all wasting our times.
And intelligent life and natural selection are statistical facts, unless you think that out of 10^11 galaxies, each with 10^8 stars, ours would be the only special one.
@@joyboy-zx it's sad that you think that. There are so many reasons Oumuamua is fascinating, with no aliens required. First known interstellar visitor, the weird shape, the weird acceleration...
Loeb sounds like he's a bit of a narcissist. "I'm famous, so all those experts that disagree with me are actually wrong." This book is simply bunk, nothing more.
He is a total narcissist. He named his ufo hunting project the Galileo project because he claims to be persecuted for knowledge people aren't ready to accept.
@@infinitemonkey917 of course he's a narcissist. He's also kind of a joke in the scientific community now. A pariah, if you will.
@@peterkallend5012 Yea, hence his martyr / Jesus / Galileo complex. The UFO community and space mystics like John Michael Godier have embraced him.
@@infinitemonkey917 all the more reason not to pay very much attention to him, or give his ideas any oxygen. I'll stick with Dr. Sutter's take on how the scientific community categorizes objects we observe in space, as ego isn't much of a driving factor.
@@infinitemonkey917 And his statements relating space settlements to the super-power Israelis taming the desert rather than the theft of Palestinian land. Loeb is reprehensible.
So.... in other words: you're not as popular, open-minded, or respected as Dr. Loeb, so you have to make your bones by criticizing him on youtube and claiming his arguments mean something they don't, then debunking your own "translation" of his arguments (a.k.a. things he never even said) instead of addressing the things he's _actually_ said??? OK. Got it.
Perfect example. At 18:21 You claim that professor Loeb says we need to believe that there's "a large number of alien civilizations" and that these alien civilizations "produce an astounding number of light sails".... You then "debunk" and argue against these points as if Professor Loeb has ever actually made ANY of them.
Spoiler Alert: He hasn't.
Although I agree with your conclusions on the extraterrestrial stuff, I think you went overboard and ventured into personal attacks on a number on occasions - which I find a little bit unnecessary.
Same I was a little taken aback lol
I found it very necessary as it could relate to many people who would make the same arguments.
how would you like it if someone with Loeb's platform kept calling you arrogant and other insulting untruths? Would you like that? Just let it go? Wow. You are a bigger person than most!
which "personal attacks" btw, specifically are you referring to? just to make it clear.
@@raidermaxx2324 If I were going to engage in polemics against someone with the pedigree and platform of Avi, I would make sure to not sink to the rather low level of attacks he has been swinging as of lately.
Please feel free to call me naive, but I think that will pay off in the long run.
Avi Loeb is like the Donald Trump of Astronomy🙂 Brags alot and is often misunderstood.
Loeb reminds me of Fauci sometimes.
what? why? they are totally not alike.. Fauci careas about keeping the public safe, and providing us with facts, and Loeb is a conspiracy hack, like a Trump or one of those clowns .. i dont follow you.. how are they the same? are you one of the dirty un-vaxxed or somethhing?
@@raidermaxx2324 You should make it your mission in life to vax the Sentinelese Islanders so they wont be dirty humans.
@@raidermaxx2324 You obviously didn't see Fauci's emails.
@@danbhakta 35 unvaxxed folks died in my state yesterday from covid. Darwin Awards.
@@wiregold8930 Loaded comment. What is the states population? Can't compare a California to a Wyoming, and then you must factor in density, e.g. Alaska to New York.
No wonder nobody watches this channel.
Avi thinks everything is alien origin- I can’t stand him.
Ur very conceited and condescending. Unsubscribed