Intel Forces Raja Out? Will Intel Graphics Survive?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 03. 2023
- đRaja Koduri's EXIT from Intel: Good or Bad for the Blue Team? | GPU Wars & Future of Intel ARC Series. đźđ
Join us on this riveting episode as we discuss the recent departure of Raja Koduri from Intel and what it means for the future of the company's GPU lineup! We'll dive deep into Raja's storied history in the world of GPUs, from his days at ATI and AMD to his tenure at Intel.
đ We'll take you on a journey through the years, highlighting the ups and downs of GPU battles between AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel, and examining the pivotal role Raja played in the development of game-changing architectures like Radeon HD, Fury, Polaris, and Navi.
đ„ How will Raja's exit impact Intel's ARC series? Can the Blue Team bounce back in the GPU race? Discover what's in store for the future of Intel's Battlemage, Celestial, and Druid lineups, and find out if the ARC series can survive in the competitive world of high-performance gaming GPUs.
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![[19] Raja Koduri: Intel SVP and GM of AXG](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KdXjMfvf72E/mqdefault.jpg)
Y'all are NOT letting Raja get away in these comments đâ đ
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@I R O N I thought my GPU died last month and looked to replace it with an A770, turned out to be a bad cable but still, we are interested Intel I'm seriously looking to build a batlemage system
Raja is the GOAT of overpromising and underdelivering.
Most tech personalities are these days. Elon, Raja, and the goat of empty promises, Jenson. I've never seen a single slide he's shown that wasn't embellished to down right lied.
Doesn't matter who they hire Arc GPUs won't survive .
@Miachel Santa I love mine. I have better cards. But I dropped it in my itx build for the lg c2 in the living room. "Our game machine." we don't play triple A games on it, but it fits great looks great. They just need to get battlemage beefed up and at least match a 4070 and a few hundred cheaper. And I'll buy another. The new drivers have increased their stability. It's their first card, ya it wasn't going to be great. I just bought it, so hopefully, we'll have 3 Gpu makers.
@Evris ya he has. I'm not saying he hasn't. Elon's best strength is finding the right people for said job. But, he tends to run his mouth too much. But, I guess if I had that many billions, I'd be a c*ck strong dick head to. đ
it's an indian thing.
I said it back when he "left" AMD. It wasn't a good send off for a the leader of the RTG. It felt like he was pushed out for failing to deliver on time. I knew he couldn't keep that up at Intel. And that budget was unlimited. He's a good engineer. But not cut out for leading. And sometimes you need to accept that.
I think the same. He needs somebody else to be in check. And to keep him in check. He doesn't look like he can give even remotely good estimations. But still clearly a very good engineer.
At least Raja had a consistent pattern. If he wasn't dropping the card, he was dropping the ball.
oof
The Arc GPUs are not bad since the driver updates and the current pricing. Not to mention the RT performance is pretty good compared to the equivalent Nvidia offerings. I hope Intel does not give up.
I also think that it might be due to him. That's also why he now has a weird job and wants to found a new company around AI.
I think he did some good stuff at AMD. The budget was much less and the CPU division almost brought the company to bankruptcy with their FX CPUs. He worked with what he could. We don't know exactly what happened at Intel but surely there was much more to it than what we know
Intel is hiring an AMD GPU customer!! I think AMD's client is crap to kill intel !! Leader Pat expelled an amd GPU customer because that AMD CUSTOMER supports AMD = CHEAT
â@@lightward9487stop snorting bath salts man it aint good for you.
@@lightward9487 What is this ? UserBenchmark Bot ?
@@TimTomTem I'm dying đ
@@lightward9487 is this sentence a puzzle of some kind?
Well duh, it is his fault. He was a part of the Radeon graphics division and well you know how well that went. Back then AMD graphics cards weren't good until he left for intel.
he already created the road map and by the time he left he had laid the foundations after polaris which is the rdna architecture , think before you speak idiot , graphic road maps are laid years in advance
RDNA was his work and pretty competive
@@od13166 RDNA 1 was bodied by nvidia and the RTX 2000 series wasn't even good.
@@ItsMeStrider it fixed major issues before
Actual VP9 Support
No Needed heavily rely on Undervolt as 500 or Vega
And every card comes with viewable Memory temp sensor
That alone to me as myself used vega win win
Just they kept using worse off ref about decade
And Actual Working freesync unlike went into 60hz blackscreen bullshit as nvidia support
@@od13166 So were the GCN based cards before RDNA, that weren't that good. And it wasn't until he left that AMD made RNDA2 way better than he did. Raja focus too much on raw computing power, generating high Tflops numbers but was never really able to translate it into good real world performance.
After failure after failure, kicking Raja out was the best thing for Intel.
What failure are you talking about?
I see no failure arc gpus are awesome
Lol that was funny. Better to close intel because it knows how well to make wrong decisions and how to evolve in politics
Just found out that Raja was always a software guy, I had the impression he had input in the making of the architecture...
I think Raja is an inept middle manager type person who should have never been where he was at any company
Raja kaduri is the problem đ , Radeon was a mess when Raja was there ONLY when he left AMD that graphics card from AMD Started to improve!
SUCH A bad way to put it he had win and loses , and i doubt you even have any idea of what kind of work raja actually does in the graphic accelerator space , think of it like this it is not raja sucks , amd sucks , they could never give raja enough resources to make his ideas work and amd didnt have market share to make its tech stick into general public like nvidia is shoving rtx down everybody throat whether they want it or not .
@@arnoldshmitt4969 Agreed. It's not like they had the same budget at AMD or Intel for their GPU work as Nvidia has had. So Raja isn't a Jim Keller for GPUs. I can't think of anyone else who is that kind of a guru when it comes to GPU design.
Clearly both didnt follow AMD when Raja was there too see before and after he left...
@@nanoflower1 nVIDIA did not always have an unlimited budget. May I remind you that their domination started after the TNT2 Ultra, specifically with the GeForce 256. And, while they did have their share of issues (*cough* GeForce FX 5800 Ultra "The Dustbuster" *cough*), their engineering and management/business decisions were always top notch. Not trying to shill for them, but we do have to give credit where credit is due. These guys always demonstrated that they know what they're doing, and the fact that they've basically been the leaders for almost a quarter of a century is a testament to that.
this guy is the textbook definition of over-promising and under-delivering.
Raja leaving doesn't mean the end but an opportunity and his laid ground work for something great going forward for Intel. Let's hope Pat can see the potential advantages and future of having a discreet GPU architecture in their portfolio/line up? Thanks Boot Sequence for the history and thoughts with him.
Just pouch someone at Valve who worked on the steamdeck Intel geez.
ââ@@phoenixrising4995 Steam Deck: Zen 2 (AMD) and RDNA2 (AMD). What for?
Still use a r9 290x w 8gb of ram, i kinda wish we had 2 lines of gpus one based on pure raster, w maybe a few ray tracing compute cores just for basic lighting compute, and one that goes all out on ray tracing w around a $100-200 pricing gap
One person doesn't design the whole architecture, he would have had influence over its roadmap, features, specifications, and other high level decisions.
which is why I mentioned his leadership.
As many Ls had AMD in their line-up, it's not even bad... with such less money for RnD, and for GPUs and CPUs, it's really a miracle, that they at least could compete in the mid-range...
Today, while they have more money to put it in, they make excellent or at least considerable Hardware. AMD tries always to make their invention free to use, like Vulkan which based on AMD-Mantle, HBM which was one of their projects.
But that also costs, Raja to leave, and it was important...
I have still my Vega64, because when I bought it, I really need work performance and gaming is nowadays mostly not a topic for me anymore (not enough time, and the most games sux today).
Most games donât suck you just suck at managing your life cold hard facts buddy
For now I am staying with my used 3070 but looking at arc 770, assuming intel doesn't bite the dust on the gpu market and do release something with higher processing power (770 already has so much potential), I'll be grabbing that.
Raj has a clear problem with over promising and over hyping, and then badly under delivering. He seems to be a very capable engineer but a poor project leader, he has good ideas but terrible execution.
All in all he just doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a leader in such a highly competitive field.
Good at marketing middling at engineering
5:08 See Arctic Sound-M albeit, they did rebrand it from ARC Data Center to Flex GPU.
Does anyone know how to force constant voltage/gpu clock? I swear i saw a setting somewhere for it but i cannot for the life of me find it.
Set a constant curve in msi afterburner
Yes! Company history videos are always fun even when theyâre mostly filled with stock videos and such.
I do hope to get an great intel gpu thatâs decently priced soon. If they started having game bundles, that might push me to get one.
None of them are great though
@@denverbasshead of course they don't compete on the high end. They simply can't. But on price. Definitely for sure. Thats basically what everyone is doing when they start out new. And it's a good thing. Case manufacturers do it, GPUs and CPUs etc. Im waiting for cool custom designs atm. But I won't get one since I have no use for it atm. But still, good stuff. Especially how much they have improved over time
@@Mom19 the problem is they will never compete at the high end, and Intel can't afford to lose money on graphics cards. Intel needs 50% margins, they will no where close to that with even a $400 card
LMFAO đđ everytime boot sequence was on camera I kept staring at the mic on the top of the screen. I kept thinking about the 50s talk shows that didn't hold the mic high enough so you'd see the mic boom. đ
Hahahaha, yeah I don't mind if the mic is on camera đ
How did you leave out Vega in the recap?
didnt want to bury him further.
First off, I own an ARC A770-16GB card and am very happy with it.
That said... from a product sales standpoint, Raja's departure could not have come at a worst time.
Many people on the fence contemplating buying the card with it's renewed performance, will now question whether they should look elsewhere.
His exit (forced or not) will have the effect of a loss of confidence to some consumers who saw him as the face of the product.
I don't necessarily see it as the end of Intel graphics though.
They still have capable employees who worked along side him on the GPU.
I'm almost certain the original driver team is sweating a bit right now.
The hammer may fall there next.
I just hope intel can come back in full swing with something that can compete amd. Competition is always good between companies, an example could be the mustang and camaro. Intel has kinda just fell out of competing. I plan on building a new budget system with an Intel cpu to show my support where I can.
I think Intel will make a final decision on whether they stay in the videocard business or not depending how well Battlemage does. If it can offer 4070 Ti performance for $400 to $450 it'll sell like hotcakes.
I think the lack of strong success in acr points to the difficulty any company would face in catching up with AMD let alone nvidia
Raji spent most of his time working at Intel filming a movie in India and not even pushing AXG as hard as he should have. Intel cut dead weight with Raja and should have success in the future without him.
If ARC is going to continue to bleed money, it'll be prudent for them to cut their losses.
Nobody was saying the Arc series was being cancelled. Their future products on the other hand had to redimentionized and delayed, also it was unclear if after battle mage they would actually follow up through
There was numerous rumor that Intel was canceling their GPU division... and I think it is inevitable. Intel just wanted to avoid the shareholders from selling their shares.
Well... there were some people spreading false info. Those people were very, very wrong, but it was enough to snowball rumor into the public domain.
Intel made it *very* clear from the beginning that they were committed to three generations of GPUs. The bulk of their R&D is out of the way, and their first foray into the market has been, overall, positively received.
There was *zero* credibility behind the misinformation being spread.
Like others said, I think that Raja is a very good engineer, but a bad leader. He has creativity and vision, but does not have rigor, if I were to guess. Since both Vega and ARC look very promising, but came late to the party. And if being late isn't enough, they were half dressed too (aka, kind of unfinished). Still promising and something that I think that very few people can come up with.
It's hard to say if it will be better without him. At the moment it seems it will. He planted the seeds and now hopefully a handful of people will take care to grow that seed, including having things like realistic estimations. A team small and lean that will also not be a big contribution to the current Intel's money bleeding problem. But on the long run, his creativity and vision might be missed.
Roja is a good engineer but tends to over promise and under deliver. When he just got to Intel he threw shade at AMD that he would have better software engineers to work with etc etc but look how things turned out.
These are strange times at Intel and a lot of well publicly known hires leaving from Jim, Raja and Kyle indicates that thier direction is either off or more likely Late.
Ive never heard that raja helmed RDNA. The rumor was thay sony helped a ton with Navi1x
They were, but not for the GPU architecture. Mostly for the cpu/gpu packaging combo.
I'm still buying arc gpus regardless what Intel does. Its a massive company and the gpus will be supported. We could be headed through a prolonged recession so Intel has a shot at selling at the lower end
I think it is a good thing for Intel to drop the ball on Raja. Might lead to some loss of confidence for ARC but I think It will help ARC in the long run
Snows, What are you trying to do with that intro? Are you somehow channeling your inner Rhett & Link?
I thought about that the second I said it on camera!
Am I the only one who always thought Raja was a hack?
Raja actually didn't work much on RDNA. He barely had a year or so on the 5 years cycle Lisa Su implemented.
if we account for 5 years, prior of the first RDNA then he'd had been there for 3.
Did Intel's graphics division really fail because of Raja? Or was it because of the board of directors and other higher ups at Intel? Was Raja's leadership so bad that the entire Intel graphics division failed? Or are we blaming Raja for something that was impossible for 1 person to turn around while fighting an uphill battle? Was it Raja's decision to have no GPUs like ARC all these years up until recently, or was that dictated by someone else?
When Raja was kicked out of AMD they started actually making progress.
I hope Nvidia picks Raja up lol! Intel should pouch one of the Valve employees who works on the steamdeck to continue ARC though
You forgot the Vega series between Fury and RX480. Also you forgot about the RX 7900 Series
7900 wasn't Raja, and I didn't mention Raja because I didn't want to bury him further
@@BootSequence ok, i didnt know that, thx
for those that work in MNC will understand
The only people can tell if he is the problem is the one that is under him and those people having him as a boss. He may look like smiling but knowing ppl like him, it's either you perform or be kicked out.
The fact that they fired him tells everything about Intel interest for the GPU environment.
I love my a770 limited edition. Itâs way more stable than my old 6650xt
Raja almost killed AMDs GPU division. At least he gave good landing for ARC GPUs as intel was still able to pull it off and fix the issues. Thank god they have good engeeneirs and drivers are better and better. ARC Alchemist litteraly ages like a fine vine and Battlemage will be even better.
I was scared for a sec. Raja almost stayed at a company for 2 years.
He was there for 5!
Hmm, thumbnail was different when I went to bed.
weird, I didnt change it
Pretty sure the 7970 and 7950 beat out the GTX 680, 670
It didnât though. At launch the GTX 680 was about 7% faster than the 7970. AMD launched the 7970 GHz edition to tie the 680. It was literally 20 years ago when ATI last held the GPU crown. Since then they could only take the crown by launching a new generation before Nvidia (last done 11 years ago with the 7970) and losing when Nvidia launches their cards. Theyâve had good success with nearly taking the crown, with the 290X, Fury X, and 6900XT being a hair behind the 780 Ti, 980Ti, and 3090 respectively.
I feel like everyone wants Intel to succeed in the GPU space
We absolutely do, we just can't have subpar people like Raja who has a questionable track record.
The road map is already done so Raja going to AI that INTEL will take advantage also can only be a good thing. The GPU lineup is already a go so I can't see any problems for INTEL. It is only a hype to have something to talk about.
It's a good thing to compete with 70 class or lower cards only, 2 years too late? Intel desktop graphics is done
â@denverbasshead2361 If they can offer a card with 4070 Ti performance for $450 or less it'll sell very well. They don't need need to compete in the high end space to carve out a market for themselves.
@@03chrisv itll barely be a 4070 thays going to come out after the 50 series comes out. That's not gonna do anything
@@03chrisv a 4070 next fall is DOA
â@@denverbassheadThe 4070 is probably launching for $700. By next year maybe it'll drop to $600. If Battlemage is $400 with that performance it won't be DoA. It'll be popular with budget builds.
NVidia is the Michael Jordan of gpu makers. Anyone compared to them will come up short.
Great video keep up the good work
Man... this sucks. I had big hopes for intel next gen as i was really keen on trying out intel since fuck ngreedia and noobmd come next gen, but this seriously worries me about intel's discrete gpus future. No matter if you think raja was an idiot at amd or not, whenever the person on top change midway through development (as i believe alchemist is being currently worked on) is never a good thing. Unless they keep raja's work intact and pat effectively start to lead the project with his own vision with battlemage.
He didnât force him out goofball or they would have replaced him which there not. He chose to leave to do ai
The Corporate World is a dangerous place. Backdoor deals happen all the time. One day your a executive the next you are axed for the CEOs golfing buddy.
I knew Raja was the deathnell for Intel. He routinely overpromised and under-delivered (as stated below). His inability to match Nvidia at every turn proved that his products will forever be market followers and never a market leader.
I miss the big, fat bass in your intro.
Great now thet hes done runing amd for the 2nd time hes going to set back AI twch generations. Who knows maybe is ineptitude will stave off skynet for a few more years i see that as the only guiding light.
seriously he dropped the freaking gpu? that is such a inndddddaaaaaaa mindset.
rich indian mindset.
Fake it till you make it Raja
Dude dropped a GPU right in front of Linus? Amazing. Who dropped first?
Why do you think Lisa Su fired him? Duh!
twenty twelve ... not two thousand twelve .. Le't end the 10 years habit of "twothousand... something".
Nah I'm good.
You forgot Vega
yep. I wanted to save him a little.
raja fucked up everything he got his fingers on
Classic case of failing upwards.
Bro when raja was with amd you wouldnât even think to buy amd. Who actually bought amd?? And then When raja left amd came out from the grave with threadrippers and radeon now going after nvidias throat lol. And now we already see Intel bringing out battlemage I have good hopes for their 14th gen processors.
The simple answer to this question is yes he is the problem the guy is simply terrible at his job and we knew for a fact that Moore's Law is Dead was right with his leaks the moment Intel announced his so called demotion but in reality they fired his ass and removed any decision making capability from him in short he was placed in that position in name only it's all to protect the Intel ARC GPU branding as firing the head of AXG would have made the product optics look bad. Intel really chose the wrong guy to lead their GPU endeavors as his leadership lead to all the delays and issues they had during the product launch heck rumor has it that he made it look like they were doing much better to the company execs that it surprised them when the delays came along because he hid the drivers issues they were having the only reason they even promoted him in the first place was because they thought the product was gonna come out on time and that it was gonna be coming in to a very hot market only for it to be delayed again and again.
RX 580, small GPU that could đđ. Please Snows, VEGA 56 was good GPU, VEGA 64 was hard core flop batteling GTX 1080 and had over 300W TDP, just...đ€Šââ
Vega was unfortunately a fail for gaming compared to nvidia. IT WAS A GOOD GPU, just an jack of all trade, master of none. GTX 1080 was actually very efficient. sub 200w for reference models. But yeah, RX 480/580/590 were all legendary gpu's.
@@BootSequence Yeah VEGA 64 over 300W TDP, GTX 1080 under 200W TDP.
Moore law still making false rumors still, now it come with 4 versions of his opinions, are not factual based... Jesus millennials I thought your smart đ đ
My money is on Raja's new company.
Why is he popular among the nerds?
thank god raja = dissapointment feels like everyone uses raja when they are behind then they realize hes shit and kick him out đ€Ł
Sir its good that you quit that whatever company. Please give me a job in your startup sir, would be excited to work on something new.
According to MLID, Battlemage GPUs will be, at best, at a 3070-3070ti level (or 4060, 4070 ?) mid-2024 ... by that time, 4060-4070 will be 1-years old, with more mature drivers.
So, why wait for Battlemage at $500, when you could buy this year 4060-4070 GPU ($500-$700) ? To save $250 for a year ? ($20/month)
Not worth the wait I'd say.
PS : you can replace 3070-3070ti with 6750XT-6800 and RTX 4060-4070 with RX7700-7800 respectively...
Yes. Raja was doing all things wrong, he focused on his own target, and not in the business target.
With AMD was the same, AMD studios (can't remember the name) was a brilliand idea, but he ruined it partnering with some unknown Indian studio to make a really bad movie (I watched it) instead of doing the obvious like partnering with Hollywood, I mean... there are the biggest studios in the world, why go to India?!
Answer is: The guy was too bussy smeling his own fart instead of focusing in what was better fot the business.
With Intel it was the same, IMHO they should focus on laptops and servers, and forgot about gamers for at least 5 years.
You missed the biggest L... Vega.
Didn't want to completely bury him đ
@@BootSequence lmao. Fair enough đ
If not for Raj , we would not have had mid range GPU
You know China just made him a offer he couldn't refuse.
Is he an US citizen? I donât think heâs allowed to work in chip industry for China.
If you think a cow should be white and thin is fools hope in comparison of a full a fledged production animal. Other competitors do not think of morals and that is a good thing to greedy capitalistic industry.
Well he never really lived up to his promises with AMD. AMD doing allot better without him.
he ruined amd, i assume he ruined intel.
good riddance honestly
AI cannot write quality code. AI is bummer at coding.
Raja@amd, released crap cards compared to nvidia
Raja@intel, amd release good cards, intel release crap cards
Yes, Intel graphics is basically dead. They will only compete in the low end and celestial probably won't launch
Just finding somebody to blame . Blame blame blame blame and blame , dont bother to fix it because if you think about fixing , it means that you accept there is s problem, so never acknowledge a problem
Raja failed at AMD. And now he's failing here. Raja is brilliant but a poor leader.
Agreed
He is the problem.
Lose and win are one syllables while L is one, W is two syllables so stop acting like a dumb Gen Z and actually say the words.
Funny you say that when millenials came out with the term.
@@BootSequence I find that hardly realistic, more like you're trying to sound cool while you're being cringe, anyway your call mate.
You sub 1991's are the new boomers.
No one need this bundi đ€Ł As if one or two persons has an effect on an multibillion company lol. Clickbait at his finest.
Heâs a joke
Will Intel Graphics Survive? I hope not.
Why do you hope that? Competition would only benefit the consumer.
@@connorjosleyn386 Because intel is fucking trash and his "competition" si ONLY IN USA, not around the globe.
@@connorjosleyn386 Companies makes money