Starship Testing Reveals Problems | Starbase Update
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- This week at Starbase, the giant leaps and small hiccups continue in SpaceX's ambitious spaceflight endeavors. Join Jack Beyer in the latest Starbase Update as we delve into the full stack testing of the world's largest rocket, Starship, ahead of its eagerly anticipated next flight. Discover the construction progress of the second Starbase launch tower, get the lowdown on SpaceX's plans for additional Starship launchpads, and peek into the ongoing developments at the production site, including the mysterious whereabouts of Booster 12 and the start of a new era with Booster 14. With new buildings rising and even more launchpads in the pipeline, the future of space exploration from Starbase is looking brighter and busier than ever.
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I like this presenter. Not too fancy, does not talk to me like I'm a toddler and just explains things in a casual, normal tone.
yea
Agree completely...
Yep, his the only presenter I watch on this channel.
He also sure looks likes the kind of guy to fire up an entire 5lb. package of bacon- just because.
This needs more likes
Thanks Jack. Always look forward to your updates.
Always best they find the problems now rather than on launch day
True that I hope whatever they destacked S28 for isn't too serious
@@KiRiTO72987 hoping it’s engine testing while they work on the prop load issues
@@kota8394 we'll see but I still kinda doubt they will
@@KiRiTO72987 it did currently just get sent to pad B so mayyybee?? I’ll keep my hopes up. I mean, S28 fueled up so I take it the booster might be the problem child, or the GSE prop systems to the booster.
@@kota8394 yeah I just noticed they moved it to pad B though it could just be that they want to work on it and it's easier to do there I guess we'll see if it actually gets lifted into the pad
As an engineer with forty years of experience, allow me to share an insight with you. It is perfectly normal and necessary for any prototype to be put together and taken apart repeatedly. Sometimes for weeks or months on end. It's a direct result of pushing the envelope.
I can't tell you how many times, I had to install new screws, and other wear and tear parts, in a prototype product after dozens of repeated assembly / disassembly cycles. Finding flaws earlier in the cycle beats the heck out of finding them during a customer review.
10:29 - I don't know what happened either, and don't call me Shirley!
Couldn't resist 🤣
Thanks for the update!
thank you all for the work you do. the live streams the awesome photos all of it. much appreciated.
Thanks as always for the update!
Thanks for the info. Great coverage.
Thanks for the update Jack and everyone ❤
A great episode of quickly narrated compact info pieces, no conjectures, just facts and great supportive photos. Really liked the Canaveral stuff. Great job, thanks
I find well-informed conjectures useful, as long as they are stated as such. And I thought this video contained several.
Thanks for the update Jack. Now we wait and see what's next, or isn't...
Always look forward to Jacks presentations. He’s the best.
Right on!!!
No surprises there are lots of aborts and retests given the amount of changes to the GSE infrastructure. There is a lot of complexity in handling that much cryo cooled liquids and it normally takes a while to get everything dialled in even on far simpler setups. Most of it really can't be tested without a ship to fill either which is why we are seeing so much testing with the ship on the launch mount. With any luck the fill procedures won't take too long to finalise though, the speed all this has been put together is really impressive.
Just love it keep up the good work
Looking forward to some testing and stream tomorrow!
I like the remove before flight watch, that's wicked cool!
This needs to be 100% SUCESSFUL....launch 2 was very close to perfection...dedication and patience will win thru'...
FYI. When you set your expectations so high then you also set yourself up for major disappointment when reality comes up short of your expectation!!
No it does not _have_ to be anything, cutting edge rocket science does **not** need anything, just focus and retries.
Well, Jack, at least I hit the LIKE button! 😊 Things are really getting much more better, like you say. Just like it happened in the past, with the Falcon 9, it's happening now with Starship and this Falcon 33. So many preparations is good. It has to be perfect this time. Thank you to the whole team of NSF and Greetings from Portugal. 🚀
I didn't even know SpaceX really had a website with info, I've always just tuned into NSF lol. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Jack
Thanks for the news.
NSF,, thank u for the latest Starbase news!!
Thank you.
Thanks for the updates Jack and the NSF team. Love your work.
thanks jack
Awesome news we got ti hear about today, man I'm so excited for the next launch #3, LETS GO..
STARSHIPMAN
Love the Wallace impression at the start
love your back ground.. :) looks very similar to the one in our office at SRON :)
I hope the cameras will still be able to get some good views in once Starbase gets built up fully!
Excellent ❤
I like this version of Jack! I hope Jack does too.
Awesome
Thanks Jack, still waiting for the kayak views..
Great Jack, nice detail! I think SpaceX testing of the header tank transfers system (scheduled in-orbit in the flight plan) is the issue. New processes require lots of pressure/stress sensors, I would think. Knowing SpaceX, they are already testing several iterations on the ground, and proof of concept an only happen in-flight.
Epic! 😎
No nonsense, nice.
B10 has a few plumbing problems in design and ground support was not up to snuff ( draining and upgrade problems) . I am glad SpaceX decided to pull back on this one.
Thanks Jack. I always appreciate your excited and passionate view that is grounded in reality. I hope you know we know you're awesome. Thank you
Barge is on Starbase live right now
Where are they with the launch table? Seems to remember quite a bit of drilling and forming for the current launch pad even before the tower went up.
No news is no news!
There hasn't been any ground prep yet, but we do know there is (or at least was last we knew) a largely assembled table (the part that goes on top of the legs) at the Cape. It's not clear if they'll attempt to move that down to Boca or if they'll build another one down there though
I hope the Problem was fast fixed and i hope the third WDR test on 02/20/2024 was working.
Great update . The scripted podcasts are informative and professional. The livestreams are more social, but a bit over the top (for me).
Maybe SpaceX could install several indoor megabay cams for public viewing to see what'up, while the doors are closed ;-)
Funny how the barge with sections 1, 2, 3 and 6 arrived at Starbase on Monday, February 19… right around the exact moment this video was published
Gah! At the time of writing it the port records shows the 20th so we went with that 😅
Accurate, up to the minute news, even if it is by luck. 😂
NSF and Jack, y'all rock! Peace
try circle object tower oval too
With how complicated the launch mount is, it really makes you wonder what the plan is for mars returns.
7:58 What is flying around in the top left corner? Is that a drone?
we love our Casper
I saw the towers chugging along this morning.
since they have to make a in-space propeller exchange i think next launch will be a twin launch (i hope, it would be spectacular)
Funny the tower sections arrived Monday Feb 19th
Everyone stay safe.
Cette partie Jupiter qui scale tellement 😁
increased propellant load speed will increase the likelyhood of freeze-off to valves and other components…
I'm pretty sure the temp is the same regardless, once the lines are purged and chilled down and the loading actually begins, then temps are the same as propellant temp.
Freezing would be water moisture or other higher freeze point contaminants getting at valves and other issues possibly related to the fact that the tank farm has a lot of new connections that could need some work. New chillers, pumps, valves, pipes, etc. LOX was relocated to new tanks since the last flight.
Do we thing the next Launch tower at StarBase will be taller than the current tower? I feel they will make this one significantly taller to be able to handle StarShip V3. They may even make the first
Tower taller after tower two is completed and fully functional.
The positive on that door. They clearly have something going on that requires a door. IP, ITAR, and / or process that needs it.
Full send aditude.
Mostly the door keeps the dust and sand from blowing into bay. Reducing the exposure to temperature extreme probably helps to.
Is it possible Tower 2 will have 10 sections to allow for a taller starship?
No need to. They just move the lifting points down a bit.
So far no signs of an extra section nor it doesn't seem like it would be needed
Has there been any signs of new OLM components being manufactured or delivered?
There is one at KSC in a hangar. Status unknown.
Regarding the tower, I think there will be at least one, if not 2 more segments added. The Ship QD arm is a bit of a mess. It was originally going to stabalise the Booster, but that is not done. Then the Ship QD has been raised twice due to modifications to the location on the Ship and the Hot Staging adapter. Now it looks odd. Then there is the stretch proposed for the whole Booster / Ship. If this happen as has been mention, then the Chop Sticks will need to be raised a lot higher, which it can't do at the moment. I would think that if they are going to invest in another tower, then they need to take into account the next versions of the whole Booster / Ship. I think the KSC Stack was stopped because of all this. There has been very few details on V2 of the Ship.
There is no need to raise the tower height or the chop sticks because it is a simple matter of simply lowering the lifting points. The stretched version of starship is coming along for a while yet anyway. V3 will not include the stretched version of starship or so I have heard.
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No one but SpaceX engineers know what changes are coming BUT, to me, lowering the lifting points seems unlikely because it will be getting closer to the center of gravity where the ship will be more likely to move in the wind. Having the lifting points well toward the nose gives stability. I have not heard of V3 for starshp, just Raptor engines. It seems really odd, even improbable, to stretch in V2 but shrinking back in V3. Standing by for what actually happens. LOL
@@appliedfacts My comment about lowering the lift points was first made by another commenter, knowledgeisgood who also happens to be an engineer though I don't know this field of work.
I'm not attached to anything Space X does in developing starship though I do look forward to it being successful on some level. Starship is the largest most powerful rocket ever built and with Stage 0 quite an engineering feat so from that perspective it is definitely interesting to follow.
Finally at NSF the megabay 2 is no longer labeled as "the new highbay".
What was the bang?
One tower, my guess is one at Starbase, is going to be constructed just for RTLS catches when SX gets further along with their successes. There is no way they are going to risk the launch facilities and all of the fueling, cooling and delivery infrastructure for the first attempts. My guess is the catch tower will be built with a launch mount, operational chopsticks and nothing else for now. Once RTLS and capture becomes routine years from now, the tower will probably be upgraded to a fully supported OLM.
so this was first time in wdr they filled ship first usually booster is filled first maybe that caused the issues
what is on the top left of the video at 8 min?
thing is, the way they seem to work at starbase even holdups will spawn fixes, so delays will speed things up! lol.
They’ll do em all in FL. 3-4 total
Hello what's on the schedule today
Anyone wondering if the 2nd tower will be made taller?
If the booster and starship length increasing in the future, wouldn't the new tower need to be larger with more sections
Curious does the starship and or booster expand or contract with propellant loading?
They do! I remember after the first WDR there were comparisons which flicked between an unloaded and loaded photo and you could actually see it shrink
Not only it shrinks, it also becomes heavier which means the arms on the OLM holding the stack tend to give way just slightly which also means the stack goes down by a few inches
@@ale131296 Curious I would have thought expanded with the pressurized propellant but I guess with the freezing contraction is the overarching effect.
I don't suppose you know if it is compensated for especially when it comes to EM energy dissipation tiles?
Thanks for response my thermodynamics is wanting at best.
Imagine someday when we actually have working Starships.
The GSE is the issue, not S28 or B10
Won't they need to build this and future towers taller to account for the stretched Starships??
They will slightly lower the lifting points to accommodate the stretched vehicle.
seems like a much easier fix. Thanks.@@corrinastanley125
what pops into my mind is sterilization when we land on the moon and mars, everything is exposed to the elements on earth, ships and probes thus far have all been built in sterile conditions, but starship itself will be landing, i hope no crows hitch a ride to mars....
@@HarryNicNicholas Conditions on the moon and mars are of high radiation and vacuum (or near vacuum). Any organisms that escape from earth would be sterilized anyway.
I'm thinking the new tower is to be used to catch only, not to lanch. Never the less, which do you think will be caught first, boster or ship?
Booster. Ship is much much harder.
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Annnd ship 28 is getting lifted on pad B now...
enough towers to launch HLS and all the Tanker flights at the same time... lol
So filling the top ship first is advantageous in some way? And lack of content in the booster's tanks is not an issue to its structural strength? (Unlike Saturn-V, whose booster depended on "hydrostatic" pressure to maintain shape)
The pressure is maintained by the pressurization gas not by the liquid inside. The Saturn V stages used a similar approach as well. You may be thinking of the Centaur upper stage (and way back in the old days also the Atlas booster up until the Atlas III) which uses balloon tanks that need to be constantly pressurized to keep its shape. In both cases neither needs to have any propellant onboard to keep its shape, just the pressurization gas. On Centaur and Atlas it used to be helium which was constantly supplied by high pressure helium tanks located on each stage. Starship uses what is called autogenous pressurization which is essentially taking the propellant you're going to load, making it gaseous and then putting it on the tank to pressurize said tank. As long as the booster is pressurized, the ship should be good to be loaded completely and not do any damage to the booster.
2 questions. 1) There was some talk of making Starship taller, so would additional tower sections need to be added? 2) There was talk of moving to an 18meter booster, is that still in the works and would it affect the tower design?
1) No, they just move the lifting points a bit down the ship.
2) No such plans for years to come. Elon said doubling the diameter makes building a ship at least 4 times harder.
There will NEVER be a starship with a diameter that isn't exactly 9 meters
@@bryanillenberg Maybe it would be called a Galaxy Ship.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 LOL
maybe S28 will be rolling back to the build site after static fire
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Hey Jack! Are they going to build the launch tower taller to allow for the taller Starship 3.0???
So far no signs of any extra sections or hardware to make it a taller one
@@ale131296 Thanks Alex 😊! At some point the tower IS going to have to be taller though. Right??
@@enocrane wouldn't necessarily have to be taller since all the QDs and connections are near the bottom. The chopstick lift points could just simply be lowered as well which would mean a single tower could lift and stack every size of potential future starship. Sounds to me like a very limiting thing to have to "modify" the tower every time the size of the ship changes and we know in the future we'll likely have ships of various sizes so idk. I prefer the "one tower for all ships" kind of approach
Thanks again! I agree 👍
Jack, what happened to your lighting? it is really dark.
JAAAAAAAAACK! Love your commentary! Great reporting!
"WDR" is not really a shortened form of "wet dress rehearsal" when spoken, since both versions have five syllables.
Im thinking no IFT-3 until april sadly
I'm not thinking about when the launch date will happen because like everyone else there are way too many unknowns we don't know about to guess when the launch may happen. But that's just me.
Headwind might have slowed the barge down.
I don't think they will finish the top until Starship undergoes it's increase length.
Often I hear speculation on what are the specific Starship issues being addressed within the bays or on the pad. Can you not set up regular (say weekly) SpaceX / Media briefings wherein SpaceX can give more details (like similar to the daily White House briefings)?
For whatever reason Space X doesn't seem interested in doing that. They only release information on their schedule which is still better than just about everyone else in the rocket industry. And the access that NASA SF has to the Boca Chica facilities also far exceed that of any other rocket complex.
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I thought the launch complex handled it own environmental study stuff internally, granted permission to do so way back in the day by the Feds and Florida. I hope it goes faster than a year and a half!
Probably something to do with new GSE.
Tower section mess?
They'd better add Taller sections 8 & 9 to accommodate the New Taller V3 Boosters & Starships.
That's not necessary because the lifting points can be lowered to accommodate the taller rockets. Regardless, that won't happen for some time.
Не понимаю почему спецс Икс не проведёт испытание корабля 28 или 30, на максимальный взлёт на полной заправке. Взлёт без первой ступени, думаю высоту в сто километров корабль преодолеет
Also makes me wonder if the new tower at starbase will be the same as the current one. We know Elon wants to extend the height of starship, so I would not be surprised if the second tower at starbase is taller with more segments.
The plan lengthen the starship is not expected for a few years and even then the lifting points on the ship can be lowered to account for lengthened vehicle.
Cmon Jack dont sound so sad :)
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