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Best Bullet For The 25-06 - Season 2: Episode 81
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I answer your questions on the best bullet for the 25-06, custom rifles, and more.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:24 - 6.8 Western Correction
01:19 - 350 vs. 30-30 Correction
02:27 - LVPO Optics
07:20 - Winchester Model 70 Barrel Upgrade
09:33 - Straight Wall Cartridge Restrictions Explained
14:04 - 6.5-06 Cartridge
15:54 - 270 Winchester Cartridges Differences
17:07 - Best Twist Rate for 30-06 Springfield
18:57 - Best Load For Pronghorn
22:48 - Custom Rifle Upgrades
26:54 - Bringing Back The Hunting Tradition
29:43 - SKS Ban and Alternate Rifles
33:01 - Ron's Prefered Caliber For Deer
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Disclaimer
All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.
My first new rifle was a Weatherby Vanguard 25-06. I was 18 and hunted in Venango County Pennsylvania. Today at 73, I had the opportunity to acquire a new Weatherby Vanguard (Howa) in 25-06. I shoot Barnes 100 grain TTSX, there is no substitute!
hello buddy, do you know what your muzzle velocity is, with the barnes? i imagine quite high :)
.257 Nosler Partition 120 gr. Fantastic on deer!
The best bullet for my 2506 was the 120gr corelokt. Mine was the ruger m77 tang safety model with 24in magnum contour barrel.
Hey Stu from the great white North.
I have CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39. It's a high quality and very accurate rifle and perfect for scrub work.
I handload with 123 and 150 hornady soft points.
Perfect replacement for the sks same thing happened here in Australia 🇦🇺
Hello Ron. The fella with the rechambered 250-3000 to 25-06 may find his accuracy improve through the practice of reloading. My goto rifle is a 25-06, and I found that reloading has not only improved my accuracy but allows me to shoot everything from 75 grain to 120 grain. “Quality” bullets also matter. 👍
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Ron is the bomb. Cant even amagine not seeing him online
One of the best.
Ron and the Gentleman with the 25-06; take a look at the Hornady Round Nose 117gr. Round nose bullets need less twist then similar weight, high BC, pointy bullets.
I shot Nosler semipointed for as long as they produced them. Now looking at Federal Fusion, Speer Grand Slam, Remington standard CoreLokt, 100, 115 and 12ogr Nosler Partition,
Primary Arms 1-6x24 LPVO NOVA illuminated reticle on a Ruger American ranch. Most of my deer are between 30-50yds. I find the 1x setting is great for my 12yr old new shooter. Put the red dot on the shoulder and squeeze. Such a great scope on tilley low rings
30-06 is the best Deer rifle for hand loader and factory offers alike Ron. I have popped big and small in the crease and didn't lose any meat. Close or far, Elk or Deer, 180gr Gameking is my choice. Shooting out to 400 yards or 25 it does it all. The scope I have settled on is the first one I bought. A wide field Weaver 1.5x4.5 variable with the command post reticle. I walk with it in my hands on 1.5 power. I can hit paper at 500 yards but never shot past 325.
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Love 30-06👍🏻. I don’t currently own one but I feel the same way about my 270
I bought a Marlin 336 that came with a 1.5-6X Bushnell. I wanted a low power scope to hunt the woods with that would correct some of my minor vision issues. Haven’t taken it off 1.5 and can keep it under an inch at 100 yards. Now if he deer would cooperate when I take it out.
Hey Ron, I have a comment on the 243 Winchester. I handload, and you can even buy them, the 85gr bullet is much better than the 100gr bullet. The 85 is coming out of my rifle at 3300fps. At that speed it outperforms the 100gr out to 400yds in terms of retained energy. This is even better when you use the Barnes TSX bullet!
The point behind a 1x scope is for people trained to shoot with both eyes open. Mainly for close up work like clearing a room, but without magnification you can keep both eyes open and have more situational awareness.
Ron likes the 7mm08 he has pointed that out many times!! For deer and even bigger game
I bought a 1x-8x LPVO for a nephew. From Vortex. I wanted the 1-10x but couldn’t afford it. For my own use on a 223 bolt gun, I believe that a 1-6x would maximize its use as a truck gun. The trucks on the ranch need a gun. Packs of dogs, coyotes wreak havoc on the spring drop and both cows and sheep are getting expensive. Gasoline is cheaper than horse quality hay. A Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 5.56/223 is perfect for the off road equipment also. Fits great in the saddle scabbard on my nephews quad.
As a Brush Hunter a 3X9 scope is usseles when you spook something 20-30 Yds Out. I bought a 1,5x6 Leupold(very expensive about 400$ when a fine Rifle went for 450$ It was Browning BLR in 7-08, sleek and fast for close range)( Could not afford a Zeiss or Svarovsky) in the 1980's( there were not many cheap $350 guns Then), I grew up with open sights and then the standard 3x9. Today a 1x8 or 1x10 is Perfect. And Affordable. As a Truck gun would prefer the Mini 14/30 or the BLR in what ever cal. BLR not cheap anymore and very expensive as in my day 👍That BLR was way beyond what I could afford in the day. But experience made me buy it and hvn't regreted. Only a semi-auto is faster. It's a Lever Bolt action. And comes all the way to 300 WM. Would not recomend That one. But Look into it
I wish someone would make a 1-8 with no illumination or big turrets in the 14oz range. The 1-4’s very basic are awesome and light for a bush rifle but the 1-6+ are so much heavier because their for being tactical. Their is 2-7’s that are light so it can’t be that hard to do. When Smokey the Bear pops up at 20yds it’s nice to have both eyes open 1x
I do not consider 8x a low power. 4x would be the max on a low power. I would call that a variable optic but not low power. I have an old 2.5-8x Bushnell on my 257 Roberts. I don't consider that a LPVO. As for the going as low. 1x that's mainly for CQB applications where both eyes open at very close targets very very quickly is the rule.
@@Pepe46873you can't keep both eyes open on 2x?
Hey Ron, I've got a correction of my own correction you called out in this video! Oh no! I had a typo in 6.8 Western bullets list. The lightest load is the 162gr Winchester Copper Impact, not a 160gr. Well just goes to show that we always have to be paying attention to the details and looking out for each other!
Seriously though, I'm still relatively new to the hunting community, but have been watching your videos for a couple of years now, and you always have great information and such a positive outlook and responsible attitude towards conservation and wildlife and habit and the ethics of it all, I really truly appreciate it. You really are right about focusing on all that is what will ensure the future of our planets wild spaces and wild animals. And it's just so great to be focusing on being out in nature and being a part of the ecosystem the way man kind always has been. Really keeps things in perspective. Keep up the awesome work!
Many thanks James! And, yes, with all the cartridges and bullets and different manufacturers it is challenging to remember all the specifics, which is why we double check one another and help out. Cheers.
Would like to see a 105 gr partition bullet for 25.06 .. maybe a silver tip
Want to see a comparison between the 7mm-08 and 6.5 creed. It's impressive how close they stay together ballistically throughout practical deer hunting ranges.
If they're both shooting a 140gr bullet, there will be very little difference. 708 vs 6.5cm or 6.5PRC vs 280. I like all four. LOL
@@TexanUSMC8089 yeah. Agreed.
That's why I think a comparison would be useful.
A good 2-7x32 scope will get the job done at most reasonable hunting ranges
Beautiful job as usual.
The twist rate information about the 30-06 and the best deer cartridge summations you gave are excellent.
You should probably put those in a little mini video because that is so packed full of information. It needs to be played over multiple times to listen to.
It seems like there’s always an audience when it comes to cartridge comparison. Those kind of comparisons are fun to listen to, even if you are already set up.
I have a friend who built himself a beautiful wood stocked, custom 25-06 rifle. It didn't produce the accuracy that he wanted with the heavier bullets. His preferred bullet was the 100 gr nosler partition. He hunted with that rifle for many, many years, taking many dozens of elk, moose, bear, deer and antelope. He only recently passed the rifle down to one of his sons.
When the 250-3000 was first introduced with only 87 grain bullets the rifles had a 14" twist, when they came out with 100 grain bullets they found they weren't adequately stabilized and changed to 12".
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Should have went to 1 1/10
117gn Hornady SST works very well in my 25-06. E
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The man with the 300 Win Mag is overgunned for pronghorn, even if he can load it down a little. If his finances allow, he should get a 243 or 25-06. They have the advantage of dual purpose for game or varmints, and less recoil. Sounds like he already handloads, so he can have his pick of bullets beyone the factory loads (i would go with 25-06, simply because it has always interested me. I imagine any good 100 grain bullet would work well, although i would probably veer toward 120, because that is how i am. However, my next ridle is going to be a 7mm-08, so there you go.
Good call on the 250 Savage. I remember a good Terry Wieland article from a year or so ago, about just that. The original twist of 1:14" was too slow, and they went to 1:12". And 1:10" likely would have been better still. I would like to see a revival of the 250 Savage. Seems like it would be a great light recoil option, and probably ideal for a first centerfire for a youth of either gender. But realistically, the 7mm-08 only has a little more recoil, and a much wider variety of bullet choices.
In my humble opinion, I believe the 117 Sierra Gameking to be the best "all around" bullet. Out of my rifle, with my handloads, consistently shoots in the ".4's" at a hundred. Accurate and performs well on deer and elk.
270 Win and 6mm Remington are my go to for deer in my area!
Regarding Randy's 270 project. I recommend having the rifle chambered is 270 AI not 270 win. I have done this on my rifle and have been very happy with the results. I find I am able to match the velocity of 6.8 western in my 1:9 24" barrel. However 270 win brass and ammo is much more available than 6.8 western. I have been able to use Redding type S dies for 280 Ackley and then change out the bushing to get the proper neck tension. I am pushing a 140 grain hammer hunter 3175 and a 165 ABLR 2900 fps. If I was wanting to go heavier than the 165 I would have had it twisted In 1:8.
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Exactly Ron , that’s what I been saying . Re barrel your old 270 with a fast twist and ( lengthen the throat ) so you can seat the bullet out farther so you don’t loose powder capacity ( subject to magazine length ) ! Now your old rifle is new again and up to data !…….
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Another great video. My advise, for what it’s worth, to the gentleman who is going to hunt pronghorn, get a good 270 and shoot a 130 Partition or Accubond.
For many years and having shot many animals, I used 120 gr. Nosler Partitions for deer and elk and 87 gr. Sierras for coyotes and prairie dogs. Keep it simple and use a damn good bullet for the big stuff.
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I live in Western Canada (similar landscape to Montana/Wyoming) my wife shoots a 2.5-10X42 and my main 280AI has a 5-15x42. I quite often use the 15 to get a good look prior to shooting but often dial out to 8 - 12 when I'm about to shoot so I can get a picture of what's going on and can track easily for a follow up shot if needed. Also, I was hunting a few years ago with a good friend who shot a mule deer doe. We get up to it and this thing is the size of a small German Sheppard. I looked at him and asked why he shot the smallest of the herd, he insisted it was huge and it must have been a through and through and hit a second deer (we had adequate tags had that been the case) so we looked around for another deer and after about 15 minutes I remarked that this must have been the only one and proceeded to make fun of him. He was so confused and finally looked at his rifle, he thought he was on 3x but was on 12x. In his scope it looked huge but was actually 4times smaller. And I mean small
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It just shows that he made a good shot at a smaller target. Besides, it was legal, easier to retrieve and probably tasted better to boot. Some people just like to act superior.
Love my 7mm -08 took another deer with it today, I must be getting old I like the less recoil
i really like the 270 Winchester for deer, recoil isn't to bad
I agree on the deer cartridges. Look at the average distance a hunter shoots where you live. If most shots are less than a 100, or less than 200, or you're out west where the shots are longer, and the wind can blow harder. Most deer are midsized in the USA. I like 6.5/264 and 7/284 caliber cartridges. If you live east of the MS river, then most shots are probably less than 200 yards. A 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 remington for in 7mm the 7-08 will be great. The 6.5 PRC or 280/280AI can extend your range a little. I'm a big fan of 7 rem mag, but it's kind of over kill for hunting deer in east Texas or LA or GA etc...
1x is very useful for drive hunts like they do back in Europe with European boar.
If they get a new barrel, they can get a special chamber so it accepts long bullets in 270 without taking a powder space in brass.
Good for self defense to.
Hello Ron. Thank you for your fine videos. I didn't realize that the 25-06 (using the Blackjack Ace 131 grain) has a performance very close to the 6.5 PRC (using the Berger 156 grain). Either can throw their respective bullet, at supersonic speed to almost one mile. I never thought of the 25-06 as an elk cartridge, but maybe it is (to about 450 yards).
my grandfather took many elk with a 25-06 in a custom built Model 70 winchester
You would need a new barrel/twist rate for the short 110's. Devastating on rock chucks when they do hit but they tend to tumble!
I Googled Hammer bullets and wow they make a custom bullet in any flavour from mice to moose. I'm sure a Nosler Partition in 115 or120gr.is a venerable favorite.While the 104 gr. Heavy Hammer could be a game changer taking advantage of the lighter Copper construction increasing Sectional Density as it is less dense than lead with higher Velocity of the lighter bullet. The 120gr. Hammer looks like it has a Higher sectional density than a 220gr. 30cal. How's makes perhaps the best bolt action in 7.62x39 as the action size is a semi custom fit.
Love the Silver Play button!
Thanks Sarah. It appears we'll soon be shooting a 30-caliber hole in it to celebrate reaching 300,000 subscribers! Thank you all.
For the guy that rechambered 250 savage. I would suggest an all copper bullet like the Barnes TTSX like the 80g at 3600 fps or 100g TTSX at 3400 fps are devastating on whitetail. They both carry 1000 ft/lbs energy out to 400 yds
Another great show!
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I had a friend who used a 1x for Whitetails . He didn't need a scope as his shots were so close but claimed it helped him out seeing and picking out shooting lanes .
Gab, I can't understand this because a 1X scope magnifies exactly not at all. Same as looking with naked eyes.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I think it helped him focus better ? Kind of like having blinders on glasses .
@@gab5450 Yeah, could be.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsI think the actual benefit of 1x in a scope is simply having the sight and the target on the same plane. I know as I get older, the ability to resolve the rear sight, front sight, and target all at the same time gets more difficult when using traditional semi-buckhorn iron sights. Peep sights definitely help in that regard and I use them often to plink with, but they aren’t as precise as aiming with a scope, and I don’t like to chance wounding a game animal if using better equipment is an option. There’s no substitute for placing fine crosshairs where you want to hit, in my experience, as compared to iron sights. Sure there are guys like Hickok 45 who can hit a fly at 100 yards using iron sights with a pistol, but I’m not one of them. That said, however, I agree with you, Ron, that if I do have a lower power scope available, then I always opt for 1.5 ~ 2x. Field of view is still great at low power, and the improvement in one’s ability to place the shot is much better with even a modest degree of magnification. My personal favorites in hunting scopes are those in the 1.5-6 x 42 zoom range. Being an east of the Mississippi hunter, it’s extremely rare to get a shot where we hunt in KY, MS, FL or Louisiana that’s longer than 150 yards, unless it’s at the edge of a bean field or power line, and 6x will still get one out longer than most of us have any business trying to shoot at game. YMMV
one secure pic in that 7.62x39 would be the howa1500 mini. .310 barrel so no issues with the std ammoand it will take the modern .30 rounds. Prefers the 30.30 rounds for hunting because they expand correctly for that velocity these small cases produce.
How good with the 350 legend be if instead of it, being a mini action was a short action in length
load down the velocity to 30-06 velocities
Ron, I understand your feelings about the 7.62x39, I have never owned one and don't plan to, it has never appealed to me. I have owned and used the 300 BLK and 30-30. I have heard you make comments on occasion, of how the 7.62x39 and 300 BLK are equal to or better than the 30-30, at least partly because they can use spitzer bullets. Maybe some figures on paper might indicate something like this, but I have been using the Hornady leverevolution 160 gr in my 30-30, and it is just my opinion, but I don't agree with your assessment of the 7.62×39, or the 300 BLK compared to the 30-30, based on my hunting experience.
Favored deer cartridge. I can understand your reluctance, do you really have a "favorite"? I think you are like me and like to play with too many different cartridges, many of which deliver very satisfactory performance. I have my very favorite cartridge, backed by 50 years of very favorable performance, but probably also by some biased personal feelings, but being objective, I know many cartridges have very good merit. The 7mm is a very good caliber and the 7mm-08 is a very good cartridge for deer and also gives good performance for other game like elk. Objectively, I think the 280 AI is one of the best all around hunting cartridges available, having a very good balance of power, accuracy, ballistic performance, tolerable recoil, magazine capacity, and ability to be chambered in good hunting rifles of all weights, including very lightweight rifles. It's only con is it's availability in rifles and ammo availability. I don't understand why it isn't way more popular. I have read that forming a case with a 40 degree shoulder is much more difficult, particularly for a company trying to form huge amounts, maybe this is the reason, I don't know, but I believe the 280 AI deserves much more. As for deer cartridges, the 7mm-08 is a dandy, and to hear it told, the 6.5 creedmoor is "perfection" according to some. When it first came out, I was very intrigued by it. I later got one and hunted with it for awhile but was very underwhelmed by it. It was nice to shoot, accurate and would kill the game, but I found it to be nothing particularly special. A caliber that appeals to me, but apparently not to many others, is the 25. I have had very good experience hunting with 25's, a 257 weatherby, a 25-06, a 25 WSSM, a 257 Roberts, and a 25-35. I also had a 250 savage for awhile but never got around to hunting with it. I took the 257 Roberts, the 6.5 creedmoor and the 25-35 antelope hunting taking multiple animals with them all. On those hunts, the 257 Roberts performed performed noticeably more emphatically than the creedmoor, and the 25-35, while limited to much closer range, even it performed as well and in one case better than the creedmoor in knocking down the antelope. I don't think the 25's get their just due.
Ron, What about a Running Pig or Deer you spooked at 20-30 yds.? There are very few 2x10-12 Scopes arround. At 1X and lighted reticle ist the same as a Red Dot Sight. Guess it's been a while you still hunted as to spook something that close. Will Stick to that 1X + whatever 6-8-10 I can afford. My style and brush I hunt in. Way out yonder 8-10X come in handy.👍
I hear you, William. I've shot several surprise whitetails and hogs that jumped at or inside of 20 yards and have always been able to find the target area at 2X, 3X and even 4X. Back in the 1970s I jumped jackrabbits and shot them on the run with a 10X Weaver atop a 223 Rem. in a Win. M70. 10X is not ideal for swinging in front of a running jack, but can be done. If 1X works for you, stick with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Ron is right about higher velocity requiring less twist to stabilize a bullet. The reason is the rpm of the bullet increases with velocity, and falls off negligibly downrange.
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This is a great point. Does anybody know of a formula for figuring out what velocity plus what bce x what twist rate to stabilize?
That would be a great tool.
@@jacktrout5807 Hornady’s 4DOF ballistic calculator outputs gyroscopic stability. If it’s 1.4 or above, the bullet is stable. Hornady has prepopulated the program with data about most manufacturers’ high BC bullets. For instance, their 225 grain 30 cal. ELD-M is stable at 2400 fps out of a 10 twist barrel. You’d have to consult a reloading manual to determine whether you could get that muzzle velocity. If so, it would seem to contradict Ron’s statement that you’d need a round nose out of a 30-06.
@@scottstruif3939 I found a Miller calculator somewhere and bullet length lists as well.
Looks like my 25 creed in 1:9 will handle the hornady eldx and nosler 115 bts and nosler partition 120s . It's going to be fun.
Having hunted with the 2506 for 40 years 120 grain bullets 120 gr Speer grand slam or 120 gr Remington core lokt are best for penetration and not gernading on the shoulder 117 hornady interlock pretty good too everything else is antelope bullet.
I have a friend who hunted for many, many years with a custom 25-06 he built for himself. He didn't get the accuracy he wanted with the heavier bullets, his preference was the 100 gr nosler partition. With it, he took dozens of elk, along with many, many moose, bear, deer, and antelope. The bullet was reliable, accurate, and did minimal meat damage.
For the guy with the SKS, if they're not banning ALL autoloaders, the ruger mini-30 would be his best option. If they are banning all of them, Henry did a run of 7.62x39 in their Long Ranger Series, a lever gun fed from a box magazine.
In woods a light slug works better than many think for deer .
Good morning Ron. I think the 1X is bleed over from the military guys who have to do CQB on 1X plus need, (or think they need) the option of reaching out on longer shots with the higher power. Red dots lose a bit of charm after a few hundred yards. When I was a kid (I think you and I are about the same age...39 and holding), most scopes were fixed power 2x ,3x or 4x. The rich guys had the variable power jobs. I see the logic and have fallen prey to it myself. But I bet many, if not most folks, find heir "happy power" and leave it there. Great channel. Good topics. Thank for fessing up if you make a mistake. Maybe you could put together a class on how to do that for our elected officials.
Thanks Dove. I suspect a class for elected officials -- and unelected bureaucrats especially -- would be seriously unsubscribed. They will continue to not do their jobs, never admit mistakes, and never accept responsibility for their screwups. But they'll vote themselves annual raises.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yeah you got that right. I think you are in Idaho? I grew up there. Beautiful place. Great People. Lots of low powered fixed scopes and iron sights. I am now in NM. Ain"t New; Ain't Mexico. Thanks again.
So nice to here from a MEAT hunter.
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Ron for me that all around best Deer round is either a 270 Winchester or the 7mm Express (280) both are long actions .I been dabbling with short AR PLATFORM Cartridges such as 6.5 Grendel 300ACC BK and the 350 Legend. The 30 Remington has all but went away. How does this sound a 7mm Remington ? Using a 30 Remington case necked down to 284. Would be interesting. Don't forget the 308 Winchester. There's a lot of great choices out there.
Your 7mm-30 Rem would be a sliver different than the 6.8 SPC, which is the 30 Remington case necked down to .277. But if by 30 Remington you mean the 30 AR Remington, you're onto something wildly different. This short fat would likely drive a 140-gr. spire point .284 bullet 2,700 to 2,800 fps from a 24" barrel, matching or exceeding what Bell was flattening elephants with using his 275 Rigby aka 7x57 Mauser. That's performance. (Bell used 173-gr. solids at roughly 2,300 fps.) I'm not certain why the 30 AR Rem. has faded. Probably because its width reduced magazine capacity. Why any deer hunter feels he/she needs more than 3-round magazine capacity escapes me.
Right you are Ron I meant the 30 AR Remington necked down to 284. I always was wanting a 7mm 08. But had 308's and 243's and now a 6.5 Grendel project. Maybe for my birthday.lol
The "7mm Remington " sounds like a 7-30 waters to me.
@@ronspomer4366better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I frequently like to hunt with a good single shot, but I always have plenty of ammo handy, just in case. And having 5 rounds in my magazine if I am using a good bolt action, is always more comforting than 4 or 3, even if I almost never use them. 5 rounds in the magazine of my 35 whelen doesn't hurt my feelings one bit, compared to 3 rounds in a 338, if I was chasing a big grizzly.
That donut was a common problem of the 25-06 case
Looking forward to having the 30-30 comparison redone.
Hi Ron! What are your thoughts on the twist rates in Tikka rifles (1:11)? I hear great things about them but want to make use of spitzer bullets that are 180 grains and up. Also, big fan of the 7-08 but making the switch to 25-06 for blacktail; loved the cartridge but couldn't get the gun it was chambered in to shoot well. Any preferences for factory rifles in 7-08? The Weatherby Vanguard is out! Cheers from Canada.
I love your videos and articles, I've learned so much watching your videos and podcasts and I especially love your hunting stories.
We've seen so many new cartriges, seems like since the late 1800s we get new cartriges every week, and somthing like the 6.5 creedmore has really taken off dispite being less than 20 years old. What other 2 or 3 new cartriges do you think might explode in popularity, and is there an old one that might make a comeback?
Thanks Cyrus. My assessment of potential new cartridges is coming out this week.
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Honestly keeping 30-30, 30-06, and 45-70 on hand will probably suffice for most if not all various hunting needs down to a coyote. Anything smaller and a 22 rimfire is probably gonna do the trick
Thick woods would be where 1 power scopes are nice
Hi Ron , I see lots of questions and opinions as to which is the best bullet for hunting , wouldn't the best bullet be the one that is most accurate on your rifle ?
Many thanks and kind regards
Not necessarily, Marty. Terminal performance is a huge part of it. A full metal jacket bullet wouldn't be very effective on game regardless its accuracy. A frangible varmint bullet would be useless for trying to flatten, say, a big brown bear or Cape buffalo. Bullets must be balanced for good accuracy, good ballistic performance (aerodynamic efficiency) in some cases (longer ranges,) AND terminal performance in game.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors thanks for that , its a bit confusing for new shooters . You may have guessed that i’m from across the pond. I am thinking of getting a 17 hmr to use on Squirrels and Rabbits ( basically Varmints ) so you reckon that the Hornady balistic tipped are the ones to go for ?
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@@martybennett1861 Hope I helped clear up some confusion, Marty. As for that 17 HMR, be aware that its high velocity results in serious muscle/tissue destruction. You must be extremely careful with shot placement if you hope to eat your rabbits and squirrels. I found that broadside head shots are the only good option. If I take head shots with the rabbit or squirrel facing me, the front quarters and much of the backstraps are usually destroyed. You might want to consider the common 22 long Rifle instead. You don't need a lot of velocity to cleanly kill these tasty small animals, and you can generally get within 50 yards or less, so a 22 rimfire (not the magnum version) is a grand option. In the high velocity 17s the polymer-tipped Hornady bullets are excellent for accuracy and explosive terminal effect. They are not, however, Ballistic Tips. That is a specific brand name with Nosler. Hornady call's their polymer tipped varmint bullet V-Max. Plastic tips on bullets do not make them Ballistic Tips. Virtually every bullet maker puts plastic/polymer tips on at least some of their bullets. These increase B.C. slightly and prevent tip damage, which used to be an issue with pure lead tips. Good luck and have fun!
I know it as Low Power Variable Optic. LPVO
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From Michigan sw farmland no trees to catch bullets a shotgun Slug can go 900 yards, uses to work metro gun club MN I've been pelted by shot 500 yards away from duck tower it hurts
1 power scopes are great for shooting with both eyes open, esp handy when shooting with dogs.
That's likely true, Rob, although I, for one, have no trouble shooting with both eyes open at any power. I think most shooters could train themselves to do this because the more powerful eye (dominant eye) becomes the one seeing a larger image. Certainly at 2X and 3X powers. Try sometime.
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Interesting how the question from "Alec" didn't involve a movie set, haha
Morning Ron, in a recent podcast you were discussing a case neck bulge or as you termed it a "doughnut". Am encountering this with my 25-06 shooting Nosler 100 grain partitions, with Nosler brass and H4350 powder at 3200 FPS. OACL is set at 3.18". You didn't suggest a course or direction to address or fix this issue. What suggestions do you have?
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I have a .257 weatherby magnum and i have been looking into the higher BC bullets i was wandering if you have witnessed anybody using the 131 grain bullets up to the 135 grain bullets in the .257 weatherby magnum casing? I know a faster twist is needed but i am curious on what kind of performance people are getting out of them. So far i have only found 25 creedmoor and 25-06 firing those rounds.
Sheffyj14, I've heard reports of 3,200 fps to 3,600 fps from 257 Wby shooting 131 ACE Blackjacks from 28- or 30-" barrels. A more realistic MV might be 3,200 from 26" bl. A 1:7 twist would likely be needed.
@@ronspomer4366 Thank you for the response ive been watching tons of quarterbore videos and your videos have been very helpful and interesting keep up the goodwork.
30:56 Maybe not happy with the Russian government either…. But certainly, i am concerned about our FedGov. Both foreign and domestic policies.
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1971 Ruger M77 .25-06
2017 CZ 7.62x39
What does any of this video have to do with the .25-06? Was this video mistitled?
We have gone way overboard on magnification of scopes.
Zastava makes the M85 mini-mauser in 7.62x39mm
Try 257 ai wonderful round
It’s a no brained 100 graine partition for big game and hollow point for small
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Thought it would be a bout 25. Dang it
1× on a lpvo is for up close quick target accusation
Like a red dot
Yes, that's the idea. And perhaps it's been proven most effective for military use, but for hunting I don't see the need or advantage. Other than addressing swarms of feral hogs and, once or twice a year a pack of responding coyotes, most hunters are rather cautiously and carefully directing one killing shot at a deer, elk, etc. rather than snap shooting them in heavy cover. But hey, if said snap shooting is your need and a 1X makes it easiest, go for it!
Howa 1500 mini action in 7.62 39 is one option.
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Howa and Ruger make a Bolt 7.62
Rebarrel the rifle to a 1 in 8 or 1 in 7 twist .
Then you can shoot Bergers new 135 grain bullets.
Ron, send the Colorado new hunter over to Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Colorado chapter - most every state runs a mentor program for adult onset hunters.
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Hey Ron. How do you think an ar10 in 450 bushmaster would be for bear defense
Not sure if you made a typo or if someone's making 450 bushmaster ar10s now. But typically the 450 is chambered in ar15s as it's closer to the 223 cartridge than the 308.
450 has alot of energy up close, there's definitely worse options. I think 20 guage sabot slugs use the same bullet at less velocity.
Wouldn't be my first or even fifth choice, but the reality is that it cranks out as much horsepower as most commercial 45-70 loads pushing a 300-gr. bullet. Add in the magazine capacity and auto-fire and might not be a bad option. I'm concerned, though, about the penetration potential of the low SD (just .210) of 300-gr. .452" bullets. I take a hard look at FMJ or solid coppers with flat noses. Energy of 300-gr. at 1900 fps is just 2,400 fp at muzzle. A 180-gr. 30-06 cranks out 3,134 fp and has much higher SD at .271. Go with a 200-gr. A-Frame at 2,600 fps and energy drops to 3,000 f-p, but SD increases to .301 and the controlled expansion/weight retention of the A-Frame suggests deep, bone crushing penetration. So, I don't know...
Hey Mr Ron. I was wondering if round nose bulletts offer any advantages to other styles?
I found they drop the deer in their tracks as a 200 to 20 yards mid range round then the sharp pointed bullet do seem like they run 20 to 50 yards then drop but for longer range thats the best one to use
Many think the rounded nose "hit's harder," but I've seen no proof of this. It seems to make sense because there is more frontal area, but at the impact velocities of most bullets and the expansion, mangling, tumbling, breaking up -- I don't quite buy it. Round nose and especially flat nose do track straighter, esp. if solids. This is why they are used for true, deep penetration on the big stuff in Africa. A curved nose (ogive) means variable pressures (bone or muscle on one side only) redirect the bullet's path. You can see this even in ballistic gel. The definite downside to round nose it the lower B.C. which means energy is wasted pushing air. This means more drop, more wind deflection, less energy on target, especially after 100, 150-yards or so. Anyone who shoots most of their game inside of 150, maybe 200 yards and strongly believes a round nose is best should stick with it because confidence is a big deal!
I don’t believe the true BC on a 30-30 Flix-Tip is actually that high once launched at velocity deforming the tip from pressure from 2400ish fps
Ron said he didn’t like the 7.62x39 because of all the American soldiers killed by it in the hands of Russian soldiers. I’m not aware of any war in which the US and Russia fought as adversaries. Perhaps he was thinking of the American soldiers slaughtered by Spanish troops wielding the 7x57 Mauser.
No Scott, I was thinking of all the proxy wars and terrorists the Soviets armed and still arm. Not to mention Viet Nam, etc. I realize an inanimate tool like a rifle/cartridge has no responsibility and my stance is a bit irrational.
Good point, Ron. Anything to spare us a video on the merits of hunting deer with an AK-47 is good enough for me!
Plenty of proxy wars have been fueled by 556 to man😂. Hell we’re sending assloads of weapons and money to Ukraine, if you don’t have a problem with that you ain’t paying attention to what’s going on.
My 8 twist won’t stabilize the 134 grain ELD-M.
You found some already? I'll have to try in my 7.5 twist.
No, I’m clairvoyant
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Have you done much with the week case? I found a bunch of .24 & .25 brass.am planning a .25 wssm benchrest rifle with 1 -7" twist.
Auto correct changed it. Talking of the wssm case.
@@toronadogofast7868 I haven't fooled around much with the 25 WSSM, but John Haviland loves his. Get's 25-06 Rem. performance out of it. I'm thinking 7mm SAUM at 25-cal. might be optimum. I've heard the WSM version jumps to overpressure quickly and dramatically.
“The cartridge has shot a lot of American soldiers” C’mon Ron. We expected better from you.
Really Ron the 243 is the best deer round come on now I could understand your other pick the 7mm08 but I would say the 308 is the best deer round across the board I think you know that deep down but you hate that round for some reason there are a ton of others that are just as good with a deer bullet and right wights but the 243 would be my last choice
Warren, I don't recall declaring the 243 Win the best deer round, just a good option for those who don't like recoil. The 308 Win is a fine option, but no better than the 7mm-08, 270 Win., 30-06, 338 Federal, 260 Rem. and a dozen others. 308 Win. does have advantages in ammo selection, availability, and price in most places. A 22 CB cap would be my last choice.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors you said the 7mm bullet is the best all around bullet and for deer the 7mm08 is your choice then the 243 I agree about 7mm08 but not the 243 but i like the 30cal there are many good deer rounds could list off a bunch its whatever you like as a shooter
I know of an old feller that hunted whitetails with his 243 all his life in northern Minn. He always had meat in his freezer. Of course shot placement is important, but you fellers know this. Just had to throw that in there.
What about the bulles for .25?
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2506 my favorite bullet that I've tried so far is 100gr ttsx..3346fps avg
Agreed
That's worked well for me, too. Amazing what those lighter all coppers can do. More velocity and just as much penetration as much heavier cup-cores.
LPVO??? Low power variable optic
He needs to try a 130gr ttsx barnes loan in his 300win mag
Am I the only person that watched this hoping to see commentary about bullets for 25-06? This isn’t the first of Ron’s videos where the content wasn’t about the title. Wtf?
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For Whitetail, I find 243 Winchester is sufficient out to 200 yards if you can get the opportunity for a good shot. Just this year I took a whitetail with a Rem 788 in 243 Win using a 100 grain Federal power-shok. Did an absolute number on the deer although it was only at 50 yards. I have used a 243 out to 125 yards with no problem in the past. Only problem this year was this old man done screwed up the shot but it went down within 15 yards of the impact. Bullet tech has come a long way since the last time I took a whitetail with that rifle in 1997. The rounds I used back then tended not to expand at all. This time there was more than sufficient expansion. Unfortunately, I have to give that rifle back to my nephew this next year so I'm on the hunt for a different rifle myself. Too bad. The 788 still shoots less than 1 inch groups at 100 yards.
That 788 was a great "starter rifle" back in its day. Homely but deadly. I had one in 6mm Rem. and collected a dozen or so deer and pronghorn with it. No estimate on red fox and coyotes. Too bad the 6mm/244 Rem. is dying, but so goes the world. New variations on the theme. 6mm Creedmoor is the new kid taking over the neighborhood.
Had a 788 in .243 win. a long time ago. It could shoot the rear end off a gnat! Wished I'd never traded it for a pretty gun.
Ohio had shotgun only for deer ? But I could shoot varmint with my 220 swift or my 300 win. Mag and really get crazy shoot groundhogs with my 340 weatherby it just never made sense? But when people make laws, not knowing which end of gun goes to your shoulder
Dozens, if not hundreds, of various state Fish & Game regulations make no sense. But you might want to keep quiet about this one or they might disallow centerfires altogether.
Twist? 708 160gr?
Most 7mm-08s come with 1:9 or 1:10 twist, both more than adequate for the longest 160-gr. bullets. It's at or after 175-gr. that 7mm shooters need to start considering a 1:8 twist.
LPVO
What was the best bullet for the 25/06?
Eddie, depends on what the shooter's objective is. For general big game hunting to 500 yards or so, any controlled expansion 100 to 120-gr. I've had excellent results with 100 gr. Barnes TTSX and 92-gr. Hammer Hunters. Nosler 115-gr. Ballistic Tip Hunting are a great lead core option for deer, 120-gr. Partitions for elk. Hornady 75-gr. V-Max at around 3,700 fps is "the bomb" for long range coyotes, chucks. What's been missing but now appearing are heavier, longer, higher B.C. options like 131-gr. ACE Blackjack, 128-gr. Hammer Hunter, Hornady 134-gr. ELD-M. These will require fast twist barrels, about 1:7.
@@ronspomer4366 I do reload the 100 gr TTSX and love it. Can’t beat the 75 gr VMax for prairie dogs! I’ll have to try and find some of those new offerings you mentioned but I believe my rifle’s barrel twist rate is 1:10”
Where’d he talk about 25-06?
Howa makes a bolt action rifle in 7.62x39.
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I’d like to check that out, I love my howa chambered in 270. Very accurate rifle.