WARDEN VS SLEDGER | WHICH IS BETTER? -Tower Defense Simulator
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2023
- The Warden and Sledger are two very similar towers. Because of their similarity, it may be difficult to decide which tower you should use. In this video, I go into detail regarding their values, strengths, and uses, to help you make a decision.
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CORRECTION:
The level 4-5 sledger does not actually remove the freeze effect, it just cannot reapply it, just like the warden.
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How does you even get that wrong? Is it your first time using the tower?
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2 things to note about sledger:
1) level 4/5 sledgers dont break the ice upon hitting an already frozen enemy, but doesn’t reapply the freeze.
2) although sledger doesnt have hidden detection, it can still hit hiddens with its multi hit affect. it’s unreliable but it exists.
Yeah and now what happens when 2 shadow bosses appear with no other zombies?
Well, you die.
@@jackson5586like hell your gonna solo a game only using sledger, ofc when your in mid game you MUST need a dps tower that has hd
@@onslaught6677 Well at least warden can solo molten thing that sledger cant do lul
@@jackson5586 again ,why would you solo something with a hard tower to win with if you can just use accel
honestly these *big boi* melee towers are both pretty good
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in my opinion, sledger is a more well rounded tower, kinda like a support-dps tower. while warden on the other hand is a really effective tower, the effectiveness only works on certain type of enemies, like fast and high hp enemies. sledger can handle with all enemies pretty good, warden can handle some enemies amazingly.
I thought of them in the opposite way, Warden being a generally decent tower for pretty much every situation, while Sledger focuses solely on stalling enemies(and he is great at it)
@@dumbvillage9253 i mean you are correct but my opinion was based on fallen mode, which had a good amount of enemies with the energy immunity, meaning it cannot be stunned by towers like the warden, making sledger more useful for stunning and stalling
I was thinks about this for some time and I never though about sledger dps to be that high… insane
Sledger gets lead penetration in lvl 2 for 1,1k and warden gets lead penetration in lvl 3 for 7,1k. So sledger is better than warden for hardcore or for a event with leads enemies
the real question is who is using sledger for hc
@@just_meezu potato
@@just_meezu i think theres some strat using sledger
I actually hate how people say Warden is better because he has more dps. Sledger isn't an offensive tower, but more of an offensive support, he might not have as much dps as Warden, but his stun effect is something only the Warden can dream of. I also only thought just now about how Sledger can hit multiple enemies and once thus increasing the dps.
Edit: Could all of the people that follow Warden's OF please consider shutting the fuck up? Please and thank you. I have had to reply to too many stupid people I'm becoming stupid myself.
Warden is an ass tower if your using it for dps
@@femurbreaker0 true lol
yeah its weird how people calculated from dps while you can replace warden with better offensive tower
Warden is pretty much a melee gmini with stuns
@@rowenamirasol3792 it just isn’t and the range is significantly lower
You should also consider that most of the enemies are immune to eletricity rather than ice. And when they has ice immunity, they normally has eletricity immunity as well anyways. Sledger can stun a bigger variety of enemies
The game ruined that so electroshocker and warden can fully stun enemies with energy immunity (no stun) rn except bosses
You forgot the fact that at other difficulties than molten or normal, most enemies have energy immunity which means they can’t be stunned by energy attacks. However, only a handful of enemies have freeze immunities.
Which means while in paper warden is better at stuns, since warden attacks are classified as energy attacks, in practice sledger is the better stuns tower since it can do it to most enemies variant rather than just few of them like the warden does.
But freeze immune enemies are COMPLETELY immune to not only freeze but also sledgers 100 dmg hit, and unlike freeze energy immune still makes the enemy take longer to go to the base
But you can just spam level 3 wardens that don't do energy attacks
@@rowenamirasol3792 yeah, and you only have to deal with them, usually Sledgers on their own would stall the other non-immune enemies so hard that if you can't defeat a single Necromancer boss on fallen, then it's your fault for thinking that a single scout can beat late game with the help of Sledger
ii remember warden can slow too but only if they cant stun enemies
who would need slow then
Sledger’s aoe ability makes it able to hit the hidden enemies if other enemies are in its range. This also works with balloons.
It doesn’t work with balloons anymote
@@femurbreaker0still does
why i want sledger
Oy yo wtf Corso when did u got that subscribers? Dayum man imma proud of u :D
corso be giving tips better than commander over here tho 😳
but seriously tho this man dedicated his math and work energy just to compare two lego figures in a lego game for kids. and it is reliable to an extent. 👍
I'm surprised this guy is not at least 1m subscribers, the quality is so good
The sledger is just a cheaper and more effective warden that has more dps in most occasions, and the no hidden detection doesn’t even matter much since the only hidden enemy in this whole game that’s a serious threat is the hidden boss
The 20 HP hiddens walking in your 100 HP base:
@@abulletant1147 the ones warden was never used for in the first place
Yeah, you’ll probably get something else that could beat the boss lol
Just one golden mini/soldier is enough to beat the shadow boss
Sledger is like 50 times stronger than warden. Go squad,place 24 sledgers. Then do the same with 24 wardens. Click on ur wardens/sledgers to see their dmg dealt. Then come back here to comment again.
The problem with warden is in fallen mode, alot of enemies cannot be stunned cause they have energy immunity.
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It's a life saver when there's a tank
@@frozenpumpkininspace9214 imagine struggling on tank💀
@@Whatwhatyeswhat I'm not saying I'm struggling with tank, I'm just saying it's a good part for defending when defenses are a bit weak or if the tank leaked. That's what I mean.
@@frozenpumpkininspace9214 i can understand that, but that one slot which has to be WASTED to bring the warden coulve been used for something else that would help way more
Honestly the real elephant in the room that holds warden back is that for some reason to developers went out of their way to give so many different Fallen enemies that you would like to use warden on energy immunity the only Silver Lining is that you can slow down enemies by 25% but when you consider that you were only able to hit one enemy at a time and you have awful range it's not that useful in practice sure almost none of the enemies in Molten mode have energy immunity but it's freaking molten mode you can beat that mode with scout sniper ONLY on abandoned city if you know what you're doing you're doing
no wonder the sledger has a placement limit of 6
sledger is defo more fun and i like sledger more
@@leonnove9477 same
@@leonnove9477 the early level firerates suck and sledger is supposed to be my early game and support tower, well it doesn't do early game well if it lets half the enemies through
@@OscarZheng50 i said the sledger is more fun and he has better design and i like him more not that he is better
@Crow Master i usually use sledger as my early game and support tower if i use him, my loadout is like farm, commander, DJ, accel and if i use sledger, then sledger. sledger will have to double as support and early game tower if it wants to be in the loadout and most other support towers that can shoot can do early game as well. pyro and mortar are both support towers that double as early game towers
Have to disagree, Sledger as soon as it reaches lvl 3+ is just magnitudes more useful than the Warden. Warden's stun is completely inferior which is the main purpose of the tower and it even makes Sledger better agaisnt bosses. The DPS of Sledgers at lvl 4-5 is also very efficient, because of the pierce attack which you mentioned
I am just gonna say, since sledger can hit up to 4 enemies at once, he sometimes stuns hidden enemies if they are in a crowd of un-hidden enemies. And sledger only needs a placement of 6 for a good stun since when the enemy is un-stunned, another sledger will just stun it again. And if you have stuff like minigunners or accels close to the sledger, so when it comes to bosses like tanks and you have placed a lot of wardens instead of 6 sledgers, I’m pretty sure sledger is able to stun them for longer so sledger is really good for bosses if you have placed them in a crowd. It’s also good for crowd control like he said in the video for if you place 6 sledgers at the start and max them with extra dps like mini gunner or accel the enemies nearly won’t get out
sledger can detect hiddens sometimes with either ace or its splash which is another thing to note since warden is single target
As soon as I get warden, ima switch out my mini gunner for the warden, I only used it for hidden detection anyways.
I think Sledgy boi out here could be good for Badlands since it freeze abuses much but only at later waves and Warden could be placed in the beggining but could be outnumbered pretty darn quick
Yeah i clutched with sledger alot when trying to win badlands
I have used a sledger in the badlands and literally none of them went past 3, it literally helped me a lot and without a sledger we would have lost the game
Warden had to be one of my favorite towers bc it can stun multiple times and I love it
warden doesnt have area damage
We means stun lock a single zombie
@@BaconNoobGaming oh k
Thing with sledger is it carrys you in pw2 for the amalgamation and rushers, not to mention its good against lost souls, and pizza party
And so it warden he stuns for 2s just like the sledger.
@@tops1954 warden only can stun 1 enemy, cost higher so you can't put and upgrade it asap, and 2-3 sledger enough to stun abuse the enemy
I feel fancy when outro is playing
Warden is a better multipurpose tower for early mid dps with late support but sledgers main purpose is support, not dps. Keeping this in mind, it is pretty clear warden would be much better when playing solo, but 9 times out of 10 sledger will be better when playing with teams
Sledger doesn't need hidden detection because when its an enemy nears to shadow or a hd enemy sledger can stun the simple enemy plus the hidden one and sledger its definetly better but the placement limit is a problem i think but he is still better, but i like both of them
this is warden vs sledger so warden is much way better without stun its still quiet op and it actually solo molten since molten barely got energy immune even if they do spamming a bunch of warden fixed the problem BUT if u don't need those trash extra dps then its just way better to use sledger since ITS SUPER OP for stunning like even if it have limit just 6 is enough just put it together then they will surely carried your game even if u got bad tower with just sledger and ranger as main dps u can solo it without worrying about the shit rng and yes we don't care about stalling the hidden and idk why people bring the point about stalling shadow bruh u don't need to stall them and I don't think there is any wave that mix shawdow with no hd enemy like if u stuck in hd wave u just bad well they do work for the wave where shadow boss come since the wave have normal enemy
@@helloboiz9257 fr, dps or placement limit is not important when 6 of them already do broken dps, since they deal 2x dmg when frozen and i'm pretty sure it counts for the other 5 sledgers. Warden may be better at dps but for the rest sledger is better and usually never leaks enemies (unlike warden who struggles alot agaisnt crowds, while sledger is still decent agaisnt high hp bosses because of how much dmg it does and how much it helps with other towers like accel and gmini)
I come home from school and see this video not knowing I will learn more math than I did in school
I think it *depends* at early wave like wave 12 or 14 on pizza party can be dangerous but 1 or 2 level 3 sledgers can perma stun them and make them ez lol
but if you consider you can get a lv3 warden at wave 12 or 14 but sledger will do just better because it is cheaper but..
no hidden detection + placement limit moment lol
It depends if you want crowd control or single hit damage
Could you do a mortar vs ranger pls
wow im sure my math techer will not sovle this like you btw are a math techre?
Problem with warden though: most enemies in fallen mode have energy immunity making it almost useless against giant bosses, fallen guardians, and errors
it has an upside of being able to nearly permastun the tank with just one warden
@@ireallylikewaffles8859 which sledger can do, and can do that even if there’s 4 tanks as long as they’re close to each other.
Well it still slows them also warden has actually good single target dps
@@monkey6114 which sledger can do but 4 and not single target.
plus, the zombies NEVER interfere with its target because of its passive crowd control ability unlike warden which sometimes might lose their target when a speedy (or any other zombie at all) passes by.
@@Rasyidi7 1 warden can stun tank for eternity
Correction for the special game modes is actually available for players that are above level 25
Pls can you do gladiator vs sledger
Whats the background music?
sledger is so good getting me past the mega slow in hardcore, and its cheeper for what it can stun, sledger also has this glitch where it hits balloons
Get warden fast! I missed the sledger and I’m relieved that the new warden is generally better. Hope I get it before it leaves like the sledger did.
the warden is here to stay 👍
sledger is a good tower but it has no hidden detection and tou can oly place 6 but warden is good because you can place a infident ammount and it can stopp stuns (i cant spell) And im wondering does the warden block stuns for other towers hehind it?
The warden is pretty good for fast enemies because they can just freeze them and then kill them and it might be the greatest tower, but is not good for early waves so the warden might be as good as the gladther
the reason why sledger will always so much better is crowd control, sledger can freeze 4 enemies at a time and warden can stun only 1 for a short amount of time also there are enemies that have energy immunity that can't be stunned by warden (there are enemies with freeze immunity but there are just like a couple of them)
You are growing so fast and i think sledger is better
what's up man
The sledger is better as only two enemies in fallen mode have immunity to freeze. the fallen king and the summoner
sleds can also hit hiddens as they can attack multiple enemies at once
why has your tds gold script stopped working properly?. is it outdated?.
I feel like you understated sledger's capabilities quite a bit, it can actually be quite op
3 sledgers stopping admin abuse fallen spam: czcams.com/video/IgGoqzJ5r40/video.html
5 sledgers beat normal boss spam and 4 molten titans: czcams.com/video/Ni-IkMrYi-E/video.html
warden can't do that
Finally someone told him that,LOL
Level 5 sledger is best because you can keep enemies stunned longer with the higher fire rate aswell as being able to freeze 4 enemies at once instead of 2
Sledger doesn't need hidden detection, he just needs useless enemy so he could freeze the hidden that are closer to non-hidden enemy
In my opinion sledger is good for multiple people since it can freeze multiple enemies and set them up for gladiator accel mini ect while the warden is essentialy a gladiator that can stun
I prefer sledger as it has more consistent cc, although with the caveat that it can’t attack hiddens
i just realised wardens circle is smaller then regular towers
Tbh sledger is better for special game modes especially hardcore and polluted wastelands 2,it’s viable in a special game modes because of how cheap its near permastun is,especially for mutated boss or amalgamation(and others like fallen titan etc.)it’s much better than warden as it’s 2x cheaper that level 3 warden which is the cheapest upgrade for all hit stun
Di the 2x damage to frozen is just on the sledger or other towers do 2x damage too
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@@CORSOBLOX can you do warden vs electroshocker
If you play with one of the both tower you need to consider the amount of player becouse when more players join in the match you will lost some placement limit making the sledger a better option in this case , making the warden in the same situation as the golden mini being usefaul only in solo or duos matchs
not rlly,Warden still alot better in a Quad Op game since you can still place more of them in a game than a Sledger,and also is awesome to use if you want to be a support player comboed with some Late Game DPS towers or towers like accel,8 accels and 12 wardens can do a clean with commander buffs in quad op (i already tested it out)
@@Boy-uz6oq your not really gonna place more tho farms take 8 placement your dps tower will take 6 or more leaving you with 14 and you can place 6 sledges and even if you sell farms you have other 2 towers to place down whether it’s supports or early/mid game towers
@@keswaiscool6281 man you know that in the late game that doesnt matter that much since ur going to sell farms to put more towers anyways,+ a part of the comming sets comes with early game dps like G. Scout or G. Soldier soo at Mid-Late game you can still spam more of the Warden than the Sledger,and also support just is a -1 warden you can place unless you gonna spam like commanders or medics,considering that facts you can take your conclusions,+ even with that all of space and that kinda of stuff you forgot that this applyes to the Sledger tho soo... be alert with that
@@Boy-uz6oq both sledger and warden don’t really do much last wave because they can’t stun and have very little range so i don’t really think that really matters your end game dps is already gonna deal with the boss so the main use for sledger and warden is for mid game i still think sledger is just better for quads only while warden is trio and under and also even if this applies to both sledger and warden sledger has more dps that’s why it mattered
Sledger is way better for support because first the freeze has splash damage so it can froze more than an ennemy at one time also in fallen mode and hardcore alot of ennemies have energy which makes warden cant stun them unless sledger since it freezes
you forgot to add that when the sledger freezes an enemy and his it again it does double the damage
The warden and sledger have a very different use case but in my opinion sledger is better the cheap near stun lock and not to mention most enemy in game have no freeze immunity but energy immunity even tho warden can kinda slow them but it just too small to make any difference
Dude they stun for the same amount of time. 2 seconds;And the sledger unfreezes them once he hit them again so it you just said is illogical. Rewatch the video and see for yourself
@@tops1954 sledger is only good at stunning at lv3 and warden have a bigger time gap (only comparing lv4 since lv3 sledger is really cheap so it will be kinda fair to compare it)between attack and end of the stun duration (do note that certain enemy have lesser stun and freeze time even without immunity) making it worse than sledger in this case also the video just said it wdym
Also another thing is sledger does NOT unfreeze enemy just the time gap between attack
and end of freeze effect become bigger
Now i don't have sledger so i can't rlly speak from experience but judging from these comments, i think sledger gets a win here, but the only problem is that is an exclusive tower meaning probably players who played the game *after* sledger is unobtainable, you can't get it unless they decided to put on it sale or smth. Warden would be a better option for players who can't and don't have sledger
Imo i think it really depends on what you want.
i always saw Warden as a Generalist, Warden is decent/good at everything, having good dps, but low range, which makes him worse than let's say, Ranger, and his stuns are definitely great but still worse than Sledger's. He also synergises with Commander because of his crit mechanic
While Sledger is a specialist, he is less about dps and more about stalling, and Warden being better at stalling is just not true, Wardens are single target so they will always focus on one enemy(unless you set them to random, which makes them inconsistent), while Sledger at max hits 4 enemies at once, while being very, VERY cheap(oh and btw, Sledger can accidentaly hit hiddens). his placement limit is barely a problem because nobody would use sledger as main/sub dps. And don't forget about the fact that Sledger CAN stun most of the enemies and Warden/Electro CAN'T because of immunities. you seriously need to try him out in Badlands 2 or Polluted Wastelands 2
So basically, Warden is better for general use, being an all around good tower(good dps, decent stuns, etc), While Sledger is a specialist, being an insanely good SUPPORT tower. People really need to realize it's no longer overhaul update and a lot of towers have their own use cases
how did you calculate dps to price ratio
I’d argue the sledger is better because the extra dps is just insane when paired up with high dps towers
These towers are both pretty great,but you forgot to account for one factor, the sledger can stun for a lot cheaper, to get a consistent stunning warden, you need level 3, for around 7k, meanwhile the sledger can arguably do it better for 2.5k.
He did apply that, you might of forgot.😅 6:10
@@jarhelburrell4740 My guy literally forgot sledger deals x2 (yes DOUBLE) dmg to frozen enemies -_- so the max dps of ONE sledger is above 400. Its not 250 like he said in the video
For me sledger is actually better, it freezes hidden enemies bc of it's splash damage. And usually people place about 4-8 wardens because they got other towers. If you're no life player your loadout imo is engineer (6) accelerator (8) farms, sledger (6) and dj. So you won't have much space to place wardens. If you sell wardens late game it won't work because engineer and accel is so expensive.
I remember that i almost get sledger on frost invasion 2021 but the event is gone😭
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I usually use 4 max warden at the enemy spawn and god dam those enemy was stuck there and they cant do any thing lol
I mostly prefer sledger becaus Is cheaper better at speedrunning if you dont have g scout or gladiator he can't see hiddes but he can hit them if he is lvl 4 or lvl 5 he can hit multiple so he can make stronger enemies stuck and the hidden bosses if they are coming they will also get stuck but for pizza party lvl 5 sledger + max commander chain is just the best for the crowd control and the strong enemies like the plush shotgunner spam sledger deals with it pretty easly
I did a melee only challenge once
Doesnt sledger double the damage enemies take while frozen?
im still buying the sledger if it comes back (I'm frustrated that i didn't get it because i had a chance)
I'm probably gonna use warden more cuz it's op for stunning tank
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I onced spammed warden on a fallen gamemode and holy #### he can actually perma stun tanks, you need like 5 (I think) buffed by dj and comm wardens but at least he can
Sledger can do the same lol
i rarely see people use warden for some reasson.... but i saw alot of sledger user
I only use sledger in lost souls but warden I like never use cuz I just hate it. (no reasons in spesific)
The Sledger is better for support, However the warden is good for mini bosses like the tank
sledger freeze power: are you sure about that
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I kinda wanna play molten with sledger and warden now
Sledger is already illegal to use but if it had hidden detection oh god
we live in the day and age where we compare support main with support/offense main. TWO DIFFERENT TOWERS.
Wait aren't the events for level 25 or higer
I don’t think no hidden detection is a liability if you have crowd attack
Yeah i agree, like warden is rlly op for cheap to unlock
same
you did not give the stun crown to warden..
level 3, 4, and 5 sledgers all have different attack speeds. this means they offset their attacks automatically and are way more likely to reapply the stun quickly compared to wardens, which all have the same attack speed. Their attack speeds results in them all hitting in the same period of time and only the first one stunning each time they all swing. unless you change their targetting they're also going to overlap their hits a TON resulting in no stun at all.
not only that but warden being a single target stun means that warden actually struggles against groups of enemies unless you spam the hell out of them and eat up tons of tower slots.
in short, having a level 3, 4, and 5 sledger all sitting next to eachother pretty much guarntees a near infinite stun on whatever their hitting.
i've used this to carry against the wave 22 amalgamation on polluted wasteland 2 at least a dozen times. the amalgam usually doesn't make it into the 2nd loop when doing this as long as you have at least one level 4 accel.
if you have a lot of wardens and you play molten mode the boss will die in like 2 mins with dj and commander
Sledger
cons: not good in early only in mid game or late
6 limit
No hidden
event tower exclusive
some enemies are immune to it
slow firerate
Pros: spamming lvl3 and max is good
4 max hits
can do good in crowds
warden
cons: no crowds
suck at early (problaby in lvl0 not lvl1)
some enemies are immune to it
you have to buy it after winning the fox furry dude
pros: can spam lvl4 is effective
no limit
Its free!
can block stun
great at bosses
1 thing is that both of them has lead penetration
Unfortunately, the werden isn't immune to the enemy werden because of a bug but still
I think I just gonna bring both 2 and it will work good
When u use sledger you getting more money to upgrade some accels or engineers plus they can hit multiple enemies so I think that sledger is just better
Un my opinion sledger is better because the X2 damage thingy at level 4 but Borja have their things fallen guardians that has 14k health more or less can be stunned by sledger but cannot by warden you have to pick them depending the enemies and the situation both together are amaizing though
I think warden is better because it has hidden detection at lvl 1 and max its immune to all stuns and can stun very fast without commanders call of arms ability unlike sledger
Even warden long range and infinite stun, some enemies are immune against energy
I rather choose sledger bc it stun 4 enemies + double dmg when freezing hit
the problem about warden is that it cant hit multible enemys if whe mook at 6 sledgers they they wil hit the enmys so much that the enemys dont even get a chanse to move and it cant leka since its can do multible hits warden can leka easy i prefer warden and single stunning but sledger is better at croud stunning im not looking at dps since sledger isnt rlly made for dps stunning towers mostly become useful later on thats where all the crowds com + early game warden misses allot and needs to hit enemys 2 times if they are abnormals and if u have 2 wardens a enemy has 1HP they bote attack means they loose 9 damage so dont use it in early game
I disagree, sledger outclass it, is way better for stunning since it freeze multiple enemies and majority of enimies have energy Immunity making warden stun not reliable making it not a good option to counter big bosses in fallen and special modes like pizza party(and sledger lv4 dont make shorter is freezer) and warden easily fall back in mid-late game since will spawn more horde enemies making it struggle and its really expensive to max out unlike sledger (also is shield its bugged making it not totally imune to stuns)
The sledger can hit the hidden boss if there is a zombie in front of the hidden boss and the sledger is at level 3 it would accidentally hit it
I prefer sledger because when i have a bossen it just can only stand still and it moved one step in 10 seconds
Me who just solo'd Molten with just these towers: uhhhh whar
Dont forget The commader buff could make The sledge out class The warden and all of us use it of cource
warden is obtainable at level 25, not 50, however, it is recommended to get it by lvl 50.
sledger is op because splash + freeze and also relatively cheap for freazing