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@@olMarialo Sorry I didn't. Because of Thanksgiving and my personal schedule changing, I couldn't make this tiny table talk and All Star review/recap on Friday I couldn't make a Tiny Table Talk in time for Saturday. I'll try to be back next Saturday with Tiny Table Talk for All Stars ep4. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I feel like Nelson studied really hard for this Challenge. He's pulling together a CT season, being a beast when it matters, and reming everyone he's a beast whenever it is in is best interest, so that none goes against him when it matters, when it doesn't matter, just lay low and make no waves, maybe lose a few challenges...
@@scotty4473 Derrick hadn’t won a final until a he had a few seasons under his belt. I’m just saying he has heart and is smaller than most of the cast.
I think Kyle is underrated too. He’s consistently been close to the finals in his seasons and he’s clutch in eliminations and he’s great socially. Not weak at all
Kyle I think is a real steward of the show. Like he makes a lot of jokes and likes to have fun, but he's put in a ton of work to win the Challenge and you can tell he wants to win which I love. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Nelson has been playing a very tight game. Especially with Cory gone it's interesting to see Nelson adapt but I guess the past few seasons Cory has had the spotlight where Nelson had been gone home early the past seasons. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Amanda has played the same game she has played for years, only difference is she didn’t come out the gates swinging and having an attitude she wanted till like the midway point to bring her claws out. Maybe waiting like that will be enough and what she needs to finally make a final. Although I don’t think she will win, especially if it’s a solo final. I feel like she is better off on a physical team where she can use her brains. She really fucked up when she had Zack as a partner he was the perfect counterbalance to her weaknesses
While I get how the other competitors feel, just feel bad for Big T. Agreed, she needs to work harder, but feels like every 10 minutes, they cut to someone saying how they don't want her on their team. Do we need to be reminded that often? Hopefully she does come back more prepared physically and mentally.
For this being her last season and for Double Agents where she had an amazing sorry arc the whole season, I'm super disappointed with how much talk everyone did about Big T and not wanting her on their team. Like looking back and having put so many confessionals in the show about it feels rude by the players and the editors. I mean for Big T to go home after losing the season and for all over the world to hear her "friends" speak how they truly feel about her is rough. I really hated it for her. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Nelson and Amanda seem to be the only people keeping it 100 this season… I am so over what they are trying to call drama this season “ you’re supposed to be my friend and you hurt my feelings”…it is boring af! Love the vids bro!
I agree. I'm loving Nelson and Amanda. They are saying how they truly feel about everyone and I am pulling for them to make the finals and win. I think we've heard the word "friend" more this season than every season combined. I can't understand we can't seem to separate friendships outside the game and gameplay in the game. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I think after a string of seasons where CT was known solely as an unhinged beast, post-Rivals I, he did a major branding revamp. But let's remember, he (and most classic veterans) have a history of treating the women on the show as disposable. It doesn't necessarily matter if it's "just a game". Being shitty to someone is still being shitty to someone. I honestly would love to see him take a break from the show, too. At the very least, cast male players that don't shit their pants at their mere thought of CT. There were like 10 guys that came in season after season with the sole goal (Cory, Devin, Hunter, Nelson) of dethroning Johnny, I'd love to see that kind of casting for CT.
The difference between bananas and CT is people don’t fear Johnny physically, sure he has one of the best social and strategic games of all time but the reason new guys would come in and try to dethrone him is because they thought they could beat him physically. CT is almost now unbeatable in a time where his overall game (puzzles, strategy, social) has equaled his physical game
@@koreyhinkle9097 Jay smoked him in elimination. CT is over rated. He literally walks to every final without once going into an elimination. If scrawny Jay from survivor can crush CT in an elimination, CT is nowhere near invincible. He is losing it mentally as well. His treatment of Kyle in the past few seasons is ridiculous and doesn’t make any logical sense and he seems to be getting really paranoid about the oddest things. I think CT should switch to AllStars for a couple seasons and then retire.
@@mirandah9758 anyone can lose at any time, he skates to the end every year because no one wants to see him in elimination. And to say he treats Kyle unfairly? Kyle literally just lied and didn’t follow the plan they had in place and tried to act like it was a “mistake”, of course CT doesn’t trust him as he shouldn’t
I'm saying it again. Amanda has been gone so long that people are acting like she's a lay-up. Amanda and Zach were a top team on Final Reckoning. That was only Season 32.
Exactly. I don't get it myself. And on top of that for Devin to call Amanda an anchor yet he has the same skillset as her. Like wouldn't that make Devin an anchor as well? Like Josh told Amanda to run 30 laps but she said she doesn't do that, she's more a mental player. Where this episode Nelson calls out Devin for dying in the Challenge and Devin said running/endurance is his strong suit. It's like ipso facto Devin you are an anchor, not this great player you keep touting all season. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
CT uses everyone. That’s why he keeps winning. It’s a job to him. Not a friendship circle. This whole BB friendship/loyalty trip is ruining the Challenge. I think Big T had a crush on CT. I don’t know why she singled him out. Her once romantic partner Logan has been very cold & disrespectful towards her. The whole vets alliance was against her from the beginning. Citing that she was on the bottom of the alliance because she was too friendly with the rookies. I think this season was very much high school clique. With BB leading the way in bullying those they considered outsiders. It doesn’t look good for the show that all the black players were eliminated in quick succession & they all ragged on Big T in the end. Thank goodness Aneesa & Emy aren’t going to be on season 38.
FACTS. the way they all talked about Big T in interviews: where’s their scolding?! she MUST have had a thing for CT for her to hold this grudge. also HUN E : you got the tea for 38 ?!? i haven’t heard a word about the new season 😩
“All the black Players” were not eliminated and can we just stop with that? The challenge is pretty diverse, in fact I feel like it always been more diverse than the other shows. For good reason. I’m not saying there hasn’t been racists on the show, but I don’t think anyone was targeted by race this season.
@@jarronudy5936 we aren't saying they are targeted because they are black what we're saying it it just happens that all the black players get eliminated very early... It's odd.
My biggest complaint about this season, and really most of them recently, is overproduction. I just want to watch the elimination or the daily challenges. But instead we get 10 confessionals through each and then 10 jump cuts to the same scene in an elimination. It’s so annoying and takes me out of the challenges and eliminations. I genuinely have no idea how close the Emy Big T elimination was or how long it lasted and that’s the fault of production. I would guess that if someone could watch every episode and track it confessionals take up about 45% of the episodes. It’s so dumb, they must think we are toddlers, I don’t need every 20 seconds explained to me by a cast member.
@@yugiwinninglex don't they do all the survivor confessionals on location? I think that would help a bit if the Challenge just stopped doing offset confessionals all together
@@CurleyJeffersonS yes but the edit and the time (45mins) does not allow for enough cast and character Confessional. I think the challenge have a longer episode time which I wish survivor has.
I hate seeing people talk down on Big T, cast and fans alike. Personally it’s annoying how much the show and fans are pushing for The Challenge to be all about physicality and being the biggest person, rather than showing value to other skills that could be useful. Sorry, but it’s really getting boring. People like Big T remind me, who’s watched the show for a long time, of what The Challenge used to be and is just a genuine positive energy. Maybe she’s not the strongest, but there is definitely value in her and it was frustrating seeing people flip flop with her (especially these past 2 seasons). Sucks to see her go, but wish her the best!
Exactly. I miss the regular Joe contestants. That’s why we haven’t gotten a decent season because the players they bring are either social media personalities or athletes who need to keep a certain image. The fun part of The Challenge is gone.
Yes but even those "regular joes" of the old days brought something to their teams, not anchor them down. Everyone loves her as a person but what does she bring to a team/partnership? Being the nice person only gets you so far
Let me be clear, I don't dislike CT but for the love of God... someone else win this season XD all in all my faves are kyle, cory, and nelson, so I still stand a pretty good chance of seeing one of my faves win!
@Christian Caballero or Amanda… ik she’s a puzzle person but CT don’t need that her toxicity would get to him, but it’s so aggravating they let him skate by this far again this season, makes it a little too predictable, we’ve all seen this one before 😭
It would be a little different if he actually had to work hard, or at all honestly, to get to the final. But he walks every time without even going into elimination one time.
Omg that was a missed opportunity on MTV part on cutting Big T going off on CT because like myself and everyone else watching probably said the same thing I hope she goes off on CT after this
I think it would've been so interesting to see. I feel they've cut out so much spicy stuff from the season and left us with 90 minutes of mostly fluff in the actual episodes. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Am i the only one that finda Emy annoying to the limit of my patience?? Like i don't need to watch her cry after every mile that she runs successfully. By the way, all her eliminations were against the weakest competitors of the season. Not denying she's a beast tho. Oh, and by the way, didn't really wanna say it, but the season seems FIXED for the Emerald friends. Nany is just walking around once again
I agree with you that Emy is very annoying. I also feel rebellious because MTV keeps pushing for us to like her and the more they push the more I find her annoying. Nany is on easy street it feels like. I have been so critical of the skulls in the past but I wished it would've been implemented this season. I think the season would've turned out so differently. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids Yeah man, them pushing her onto us is clearly the worst part. I thought they would put the skulls in to complete the trilogy actually. It would have been much better. But i guess there cannot be skulls forever, or at least with that format (maybe the golden skulls). Been following you for the past few seasons and love your content. Keep up the great work!!
I CAN NOT stand Emy, she’s annoying as shit and reminds me of people I know in my home town. She makes the show unwatchable sometimes. I agree, that her elimination haven’t been that hard. I mean she good, but beast is a strong word.
Tiny Table Talks is more entertaining than the AfterShow! You put together a variety of opinions for your show - the AfterShow is the SAME people every week.
This week seemed especially unbearable. Was just Devin taking 15 minutes to explain a simple point, and everyone just like "Yes, Devin, preach. You're so wise."
@@angelblade1311 the only thing i liked this week was how they showed Kyle his proper respect on how he has really paved the way for a lot of the international players, being he has been on for about 7 straight seasons, is well liked and also has connections with some of the most iconic challengers we've seen (CT, Bananas, Cara)
@@MannySavage21 I'll give you that. Nice to see Kyle get that respect. I didn't realize he'd done that many seasons in a row. He really is a good competitor.
Also, the host Devin is too soft on the guests. The show should read comments and questions from their social media accounts to call out some of the contestants.
That last challenge was so lame. Stuffing paper in a bag and then stuffing it in a car? I'd rather watch CT eat cookies and spin around again. This season is so bizarre that I am rooting for Nelson to take Devin out.
I really hope Big T comes back and in better shape. I love her and want to see her win it all. I would also love to see the blow up by Big T on CT. Even though I'm a big CT fan, I feel like he does Big T dirty and should have her back more
Why you want to get that girl’s feelings hurt? She doesn’t need to blame anyone or start drama. She needs to spend a month, alone, in the woods with an endless supply of protein powder.
@@mikaylagraves4296 Big T isn't a bad competitor. She does need to work on her strength & conditioning outside of the challenge, but she gives it her all every time. She has a great social game that actually helped CT along last season. And, like Emy, she would listen to and trust CT. She just not as athletic. If she was, she would be incredible
@@mrhygh80 We’ve never seen her compete. Like, really compete. Finale are about eating challenges, exhaustion, sometimes projectile vomiting, and having the grit to keep going. I don’t think Big T has the grit. I think she’d give up. Apparently, she’s retiring-which is a good move-so, she already has. She is a nice woman, and I wish her well, but she’s not a competitor.
@@mrhygh80 She only did decently well last season because of CT. Y'all fall for the editing too much - MTV keep trying to give Big T the hero edit and black twitter falls for it every time
I want to see a season with a more fresher cast and none of this “vet alliance” story. Players like big t and aneesa are people nobody ever wants to play with so why do they get invited? We need to cast people that don’t have the deepest history with eachother, fresh meat and fearless competitors that don’t cry when they get voted into an elimination
I am for sure in the same mindset of wanting to see fresher cast and more variance from season to season. Like it would be great if we could get a more revolving door on the show to see a real variety. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Everyone uses everyone in this game. Everyone poli-dicks, uses a weaker player to get to the final, or leaves a weaker player to win a final. This whole thing on attacking CT is ridiculous. Big T shouldn't get that sensitive over Emy and CT relationships because if Big T was more of a threat, then CT would have stuck with her. Some people just need to own up to their side of what they bring instead of using one person to target their anger for their own lack of insecurities. Honestly, Emy is using CT just as much as CT is using her. Let's not act like Emy is some delicate dumb flower. She was smart enough to say I am going wherever CT goes. He is BOSS STATUS, won lots of challenges, eliminations, super-smart, and well-rounded, which I can learn a lot from in this game. Because she is a great competitor and was smart enough to side along with CT, this is why she is rookie of the year and isn't being blindly "used."
@@Kadunk911 Yes!!! Exactly she picked her judgment days... Logan is another rookie player that was smart throughout. Eman had poli-dicking and has been with Kaycee from DAY 1. Many of these rookies came prepared, and let's recognize those rookies left are all from Survivors. Those that can't respect Emy's game are part of the bandwagon of losers that wish to play with CT but couldn't for ego reasons.
Ehh rookie of the year is a bit of a stretch, but they are using each other to fullest extent so that’s good gameplay mainly on the part of CT simply because he know he can beat everyone that’s in the Final atp, but Emy cannot beat Kaycee so until she get her out, she has no chance.
Now that you break it down like this, you’re actually right… I can give her the rookie of the season title now .. for me, because she was annoying like Ninja on WOTW I didn’t really like her
She could be a nice mashup with Kaycee, but let’s be real here. As a rookie, she already won four elimination and held it down for each of her teams. There could have been Priscilla with that move she made early on, but she is long gone. She will get an honorable mention. The only other rookie worth talking about is Logan as the rookie of the year option. Who would you think in this season is more worthy of rookie of the year?
I’d like to see more challenges were size is a factor. Being small and flexible being an advantage - like snaking up , over, through obstacles. Or endurance - like when Natalie outlasted Bananas. I’d like the puzzles hidden from those not in the lair. That would up the value of puzzle solving skills and ability to stay focused under pressure. Marie and Cara list in their final because of a puzzle performance that Marie said was so bad they cut it from the show. They need to honor and show those so brain power is given equal time to muscle power.
Tbh I’m really not trying to play devil’s advocate because in past seasons I’d totally agree, but this season I feel they’ve really thought out the challenges/eliminations and made them so that anyone has a chance at winning… still waiting on trivia over water tho 😏
@laura ann I completely agree that the show really has leaned so far to grant the advantage to the more muscular and more athletic players where I would like to see brains be given the same amount of emphasis. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I wish everyone played the game like CT. All this "friendship and loyality" crap is boring and predictable. Im worried for the future. CT is the last male "star". Bananas, Wes, Leroy, Jordan , etc. arent coming back. Corey and Nelly are not stars. Kyle has potential. And with Cara gone....no female stars either. I just read that CT is off filming a movie...maybe he wont be back next season, then what? We'll be left with Fessy? Josh? God help us. Casting better break out their little black books and start calling some familiar faces. What about Tony, Joss, Rogan, Shane? Sylvia, Georgia, Natalie N or Jenny? And finally Big T. Sweet girl, no place for her here. She had zero success until last year when she had CT as a partner. Her focus on his loyalty is bizarre. Even Logan cut off the romance because he didnt want to have to feel responsible for her. And the outrage about no one wanting her is also bizarre. Shes not the first, wont be the last.
i’m sorry BUT please tell me WHO ISN’T BEING USED BY SOMEONE in this show. at least - AT LEAST - CT isn’t using sex as his hook-line-and-sinker to play this game BECAUSE we know so many contestants actually DO that. so over the players acting like this is the Morality Game. 😂🤡😂
Some people are better than The Challenge. Her, Turbo, and Nam are just a few of the names I can think of. Big T was too nice, and she didn't deserve half the crap she got. I wish her the best.
Great point. Both are trying to get to the finals and both seem to trust each other. So I totally get where you are coming from. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Now that it's been brought up... it is funny that Tori wasn't gung-ho about going into eliminations to get back on Emerald since she was the one that suggested doing it in the first place 😂 I knew it was all talk & that no one was ACTUALLY gonna do it when the time called for it.
Yeah when they came up with that plan I kinda rolled my eyes thinking "I'd believe it when I see it". It's just ironic it was Tori who came up with it and she's so against it not. I knew she would be scared to go into the elimination when it came down to it. She just wants to make it to a finals. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
You can count on me bringing the best content I can and being real about the Challenge. I like the Challenge but I like it so much that I can criticize it and point it's flaws because I want it to be better. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
My guess is that two from each team (1 guy, 1 girl) that make it to the end will reach the finals. This does not bode well for Emerald (especially Nany).
I don’t like that people want to scold CT for his connection with Emy. Yes like you said CT does enjoy and like Emy to an extent because who doesn’t?! The same way that CT likes Big T, because who doesn’t?! But similar to everyone else CT wants to be paired with a strong person who he can trust and doesn’t cause many unnecessary waves. Which is Emy. I think it’s super smart, CT knows how he is, he doesn’t need a partner who he’ll butt heads with, he needs someone who will allow him to run the politics of his duo or team, and that is Emy. Similar reason he didn’t want Kyle because while Kyle is strong politically he is unreliable and can be a wild card.
C'mon he knows he's somewhat using Emy and if he likes big t Soo much he wouldn't help emy in the elimination. I'm one of cts biggest supporters but it's obvious everyone is using her even Emmanuel
What drives me nuts is he doesn’t have to tear someone Big T down constantly to make his point. Like we get it. The cast seemed to have a field day with tearing her apart. I noticed the same with Amanda as well but it is way worse with Big T
First I want to say I love big t on the challenges because she makes things seem less stressful and fun. Whereas everyone else has beef or dislikes someone. What I don’t like is how people treat or demean her. Every competitor has its strengths and weaknesses. But for everyone to always talk bad and shit on big t is tooo much. It is really emphasized this season plus with her confessional about how she feels and where she comes from. I feel as though the other competitors actively tried to destroy her confidence and then questioned what happen to it and why she isn’t rising to the occasion. Should big t train more etc. yes but as we have heard before from competitors there is no real way to train for this stuff.
I think it happened sometime after her rookie season because I found her pretty relatable and fun. But after that she feels like she plays everything up for the cameras. I just don't feel she's super authentic. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I get where Big T was coming from. But CT and her didn’t really seem to work together or talk much this season. Big T seemed to be with the rookies and Kyle, and devin more. Also, emy has been working with CT most of the season and is on his team. Of course CT would want her and try to help her win. Plus no one else was cheering for Big T. Still a CT fan and hope he wins this season.
Apparently CT reached out to big T before filming to reassure that they’re still friends and that they’re gonna be allianed together throughout the season
It would be crazy if the pre-final was an intrateam purge, as in only one man and one woman from each team ("cell") can run the final while all others are gone. CT vs. Kyle, Nelson vs. Logan, Devin vs. Emmanuel, and the main event, Kaycee vs. Amanda vs. Nany. It'll never happen though because The Challenge loves to have one team run the final only to receive nothing.
CT is in the championship business, he's about the final win nothing else. Keeping a low profile is his best chance to go far. Amber B and Berna got involved in unnecessary drama, how does that benefit CT? Josh worked with logan. tori and kacey have emmanuel, Cory had Jeremiah and Bettina but only CT gets heat for 'using' someone? All these vets had a rookie on their side for the most part
Ooh I like that idea! Having everybody's team get in the car would have been very interesting.🤔 Let's not give up hope, we still have a few chances for there to be a trivia challenge🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
True. Maybe they'll do a Big Brother where the trivia is the events that happened on the season so everyone has a chance instead of like pop culture stuff like in the past. i could see them do that and maybe that's the purge in the finals? Maybe? Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Lol had to remember who that even was. She was gone way to early for rookie of the year and she didn't do anything remotely worth talking about. You didn't even give any examples of why Pricilla is ROTY. She made one big vote wow big deal. She did nothing else. She never solidified herself with anyone or played a hard game. Girl was a mistake to have on the show when stronger people like Michaela deserved to actually be there.
I do think Emy is the rookie solely based on her elim record and making it this far. Do I care for the player, no not really. Priscilla made a great move but it was kind of a too little too late thing imo, and would be be runner up.
@@Tennessegal Runner up should be Emmanuel for the simple fact he's still there. Actually Logan deserves it more as he took out Cory and is still there.
Thank you so much Angelcake we all really appreciate the videos and all the hard work you do to push out all this amazing entertainment! Honestly Emmanuel has been pissing me off he has no right to call anyone a chicken it’s quite ironic considering that now I think any guy in the house can take him in an elimination.
Thank you! I love making videos and talking with everyone each week in the comment sections. Some weeks are tougher than others but hearing comments like this saying how much you appreciate all the videos makes it all worth it. Emanuel has been on something as of late and is quite cocky. I think the edit is setting him up to go into the next elimination and we'll get to see what he's really got one v one. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I really wanna see new faces at Finals im so tired of seeing Big Brother, Nany or CT. Theyve had their time, Id love to see Nelson, Amanda, Tori, Kyle, shit maybe even devin just to see him gas out 😂
That's a great point. TYB seems to be treated so differently than the BB trio of Josh, Fessy & Kaycee. But when TYB is split they all seem to thrive on a solo game than together. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I actually like how they’re editing the confessionals into the elimination cause I have no clue who’s actually gonna win, they usually make it so obvious which makes it boring to watch
Do you know what the problem what the challenge is? It's so personal. Like I would LOVE if it was much more like survivor, where you vote for someone to go in every week, and no one knows who you voted for, etc. But instead it's everyone drinking the CT, Devon, and Casey Coolaid because let's be real no one wants to face them. These people have known each other for years, of course they got everybody new out so they could run a final and have the same people win. Let's be real, what's Devon's plan against CT? It's just so friendly, I don't feel like I'm watching a competition I feel like I'm watching friends hang out.
That's a really good point. I think I've heard more about friends than ever before. Like I would want players to view this as a sport. Like in the NBA or NFL, many of the players on the different teams know each other and can be friends. But just because their friends are on the other side doesn't stop them from trying to win and beat their friends. Why view this game through such a personal frame when it's still a competition? And if you do stuff for fun/tv wise you'll get called back. It's really ridiculous. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
the challenge has to go back to the og challenge ways no more friendships and make it an actual game. I also think the agent theme of the the challenge has to go it’s getting tacky
I agree with Drew. The Aftermath was so much better via Zoom. It is hella boring to see the same people. They aren't even getting people that were heavily involved in the episodes on there.
I did enjoy the All Stars S1 Final were they swapped partners throughout each checkpoint however I had issues with the final leg. It was a partner elimination throughout the season and throughout the final, only for the last leg to be an even foot race up the mountain? The chances that any of the women would have beat these guys up the mountain to take the overall win is Zero.
I agree I didn't like the last leg of All Stars finals. That's why I referenced Free Agents because it split the men and women to each have a winner. That's why I think the Free Agents final was so top notch. I would love to see another Free Agents style game with kill cards and everything. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids After you mentioned Free Agents I had to look up the Final for a refresher only to find that you brilliantly covered the Free Agents Season only a Year ago! Couldn’t agree more, they should have split the winnings once again. It probably was because it was the 1st season of All Stars and they used a point system rather than average time, however I feel they would have a much easier time getting these past female challengers out of retirement, for these shortened seasons, if they all knew the winnings would be slip evenly between genders at the end. Thank You for all your hard-work covering and archiving one of the longest running Funniest Competition Show Ever!🙏
His entire game is about shutting up and not making enemies. Why would he show up somewhere, tell his secrets, and give jealous people feeling brave because they’re not in the house an opportunity to start drama, hurt his game, and make him look bad/look like a bigger target? There’s literally very little for him to gain, and he doesn’t need his ego stroked like half these preening fools.
speaking of devin getting tired I thought it was funny how he made the girls carry the bags while he said ill go move the money around lol. Is that someone you want to run the final with? I would take josh over devin. Also kyle saying they actually care about my birthday what wholesome moment
Hahaha that's a great point. I guess I would still want Devin over Josh in a final but I would rather neither lol I did like Kyle having a moment to celebrate his birthday especially after what happened last episode and I think he felt really drained from it all. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
ok but actually imagine Devin ever going into a hall brawl…. like what would he do ? 😂💀 I just can’t imagine him in a hall brawl period and especially not against someone big, like Nelson or CT. I honestly think a hall brawl Devin would get off that high horse of his and he’d have to forfeit or something because let’s be real Devins not winning a hall brawl, but he’s also not going to willingly go into one when he knows all he’s getting is an ass beating and a one way ticket home.
Devin would get absolutely rocked by anyone who is left. I think he'd want to go against Emanuel since they are the same height but Emanuel is much quicker and has way more endurance. Devin I think would try Wes' strategy from Battle of the Seasons and hit the deck but he's not quick enough to win but he'd save himself from getting blown back 50ft from a head on collision. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Devin has really been acting like his friends not on his team should give up so he can win, he has lost the plot of the challenge this season because it’s been such a easy ride.
Devin has become really delusional and it's completely different than how he's acted in his past seasons. Like I almost want to blame BB because Devin got together with Josh and he's playing more like Josh this season it feels. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Same here. I'm still holding out hope but I doubt we'll get it. I'm happy All Stars is having their trivia challenge next episode. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Rivals 4 would sound much more interesting if there were actual good rivalries among the cast. But there aren't, really. Everyone is friends with everyone and they create lukewarm drama for the cameras.
I think it’s time for CT & Aneesa to retire from the main challenge & just do All Stars like other past challenge players. I love CT but I’m just over it now, he needs to take a break… I understand men are scared to go into eliminations to take CT out but damn lol respect to Jay & that other guy on War of the Worlds (forgot his name) who called CT down & was able to get him out of the game. I think I’m just ready for better daily challenges/eliminations… I miss when they did the redemption house, drama was better too lol I enjoyed Final Reckoning… wanna see more of Kyle, Cory, Nelson, Amanda, maybe even Fessy if he could chill out lol
At this point Rookie team Romania has my vote for making the final. Its cool to see the two rookies Emy and Emanuel play 2 completely different games and made it this far. But ultimately i want Nelly T and Nani to win. They are way overdue especially Nani. I just hope that Kacee doesn't outshine her.
Sometimes I just want someone to say sorry, even if I ask them to say it. Just hearing "I'm sorry" from someone even if u know they dont really mean it, can mean alot...
I can understand that. I just would think Devin would want to apologize to a friend knowing he hurt their feelings. I mean if you call someone a best friend I would think me saying you hurt my feelings would warrant an apology and not have to keep asking for it. If I'm Tori i wouldn't consider Devin a real friend. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I'd be okay if Big T didn't come back. She is kind of boring at times and is too innocent. She is not a beast. Unless she works out super hard and gets buff next season. We will seeeee
@@horrormoviescreamqueen13 yeah me too and it's reminding me of why I liked this show in the 1st place. The "real show" is so fake now. Idk what the production doesn't get but they lost it.
I can understand them not having a trivia one because it has been a bit of an issue in recent ones where some of the questions are too us centric when you have international people taking part. There are things an American should know, for example presidents that there isn't a great reason for someone from outside the US to know, just as US people knowing rulers of other countries isn't generally needed. Even questions on the Challenge itself aren't great because for example here in the UK MTV didn't air the Challenge until Vendettes or Final Reckoning and finding past season on any service before these is even harder than finding old seasons in the US so its not something people in the UK are generally that knowledgable on events of past seasons as they most likely haven't seen them. Its likely the same in many other countries. Even many of the feeder shows don't air here, we have never had the Real World, we had the first couple US versions of Big brother but nothing recent, no survivor from any country. Its only things like The Circle, Are You The One, and Love Island that we get the US versions of
MTV really needs to take it back to the good ol’ days and do rivals 4 and especially exes 4. The can bring back Cara and pair her with Kyle. And get one of paulies exes to come on as a rookie. Ashley could be paired with anyone. Amanda and Fessy. Jordan and Tori, Emanuel and Michelle. And there are soooo many more
I think another Exes season would be amazing. Legit like Rivals can be iffy if there isn't really good beef but Exes would be amazing. Please I pray they dump this spy theme next season and bring on exes. That would be great. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
No trivia and no purge?!?! Lack of game changing moves has made the season stale. It also stinks that Aneesa and CT were the only real OGs. I think it being over produced has hurt it a lot, and I feel like we have missed so many storylines that was left out of the edit. But that means next season we will get more of a classic style season. At least I hope so. With All-Stars killing it I think we will get more of that formula on the main show.
I hope we have more of a classic feel and I want more players willing to make tough moves. I think a purge is still in the realm of possibilities; probably in the finals like the past few seasons. 10 players is a lot for the finals I believe for the whole finals. We'll see what happens. But I do not think we'll get any trivia which is upsetting. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Bro they’re using each other it’s not like he’s just using Emy 😂 she clearly stated that she wanted to be on his team to go to the finals so y’all fans are looking way to deep into it.
I’m curious to see if Emerald wins and Devin will use his karma card and send Nelson into the elimination? If that scenario does happen, who do you think Nelson will call out? Emerald won so Emanuel and Devin are exempted, that leaves his own teammate/rookie Logan (the one that just beat his best friend, Cory), CT and Kyle?
For sure. I'll be doing some Challenge news videos on rumors and speculations during the off season. As well as doing lives on Challenge tea that comes out. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
You should have a section where you go through the scenes for the next episode . Sounded like emerald was asking if anyone was wanting to volunteer? Like they win again
I might start doing that when the episodes are a little thin on content or nothing really happens. I love to speculate and make predictions so that's a great idea. Thank you for watching and the suggestion. I really appreciate it!
I don’t know if there is anything you can do but I know you hear all the spoilers , is there anyway on your end that you can make it where people don’t ruin it in your comment section ? I like to read comments and hear other opinions , but the last 3 season have been ruined for me on who the winner is . I like to watch the season not knowing anything but won’t be able to read comments ever . It sucks lol idk if you can discourage it , block out phrases like” blah blah wins “ or whatever
@@georgina4874 shouldn’t have too , lmao if I wanted to know the spoilers I’d look them up . I just asked him to discourage it and ask if he was able to . I know they can turn off comment sections , don’t know if other stuff they can do . Doesn’t hurt nobody to ask .
@@shortycb2349 I try to go through the comments and delete all spoilers whether fake or true. I also try to block words or hold comments that use words like "wins, winner or spoiler alert". I'll keep working on trying to fix this but it gets difficult as I'm only one person. Sorry if your experience was ruined by someone in my comment sections. I'll work harder to make sure spoilers are caught sooner. Sorry again. Thank you for watching and commenting !I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids yeah that’s all you can do , I thought you could block out certain words but wasn’t for sure so that answers my question on that lol . Not your fault at all though . Thank you for all the content & work you do !
I'm def a tori fan. she does explain how they became close on the off season on the podcast also with Josh but we should really talk about how much Amanda is clout chasing on Twitter after her even after she deleted her Twitter. Amanda is going to cost someone the final with how bad she is. she had one good challenge
The path to get here has been... different... but I do actually feel like we are getting to the top tier talent from this season for this final. It is interesting how that ended up happening.
I feel like berna drawing a lot of attention to herself and not communicating with CT was the down fall of their team. CT doesn’t think big T can perform when needed that might be wrong, but none of her friends want her on her team, but yet they want her to stay. I wonder why
CT has had a problem with Big T since he picked Kam the way he did, shitting on Big T and no one laughed with him and the audience sided with her. It hurt his grown man father figure Image. Then his “apology” sucked Hes fake.
Last season when we first saw the glimpse of the old CT back on the Challenge. When he came into Battle of the Exes 2 and then fully came back to Invasion of the Champions he seemed completely changed from his OG persona. But he's pretty much reverted back to his old mindset the past two seasons since he's gotten back in shape. i'm doing a full series rewatch for a video I'm making on ranking all the seasons and I see so much of the Old CT in this season. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
If you are free Saturday 11/27 at 8pm EST join me for a Live Chat here on Angelcake Entertainment CZcams Channel. I'll have friends joining along and we are talking The Challenge and really anything reality tv that comes up. We will be going with the flow of the chat so if you have a topic, comment or question you'd like for us to talk about come by Saturday and drop it in the chat and we'll probably talk about it. Thank you again for watching and I hope everyone has a great day.
Aw yeah I'm in.
Drew, Are you still posting Tiny Table Talk for All-stars Episode 3 on Saturday?
@@olMarialo Sorry I didn't. Because of Thanksgiving and my personal schedule changing, I couldn't make this tiny table talk and All Star review/recap on Friday I couldn't make a Tiny Table Talk in time for Saturday. I'll try to be back next Saturday with Tiny Table Talk for All Stars ep4. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Emmanuel saying he doesn't think big T deserves to be there is comedy... wtf has that guy ever done? Oh yea..NOTHING.
I feel like Nelson studied really hard for this Challenge. He's pulling together a CT season, being a beast when it matters, and reming everyone he's a beast whenever it is in is best interest, so that none goes against him when it matters, when it doesn't matter, just lay low and make no waves, maybe lose a few challenges...
He's definitely turned a corner because in the past he would of lost it on Devin but he kept it together
Yes he is being on the low n its working
Nelson will be the Derrick of the new Generation of challengers.
@@DrPhil-kx3ci Ummmm how is that when Derrick has won finals before and was much smaller
@@scotty4473 Derrick hadn’t won a final until a he had a few seasons under his belt. I’m just saying he has heart and is smaller than most of the cast.
I mean CT is using her, she is also using him she wants to get to the finale so so is sticking to him. It’s a two way street
THANK YOU! Some of these fans are looking too deep into this, it’s not that hard to grasp
I think Kyle is underrated too. He’s consistently been close to the finals in his seasons and he’s clutch in eliminations and he’s great socially. Not weak at all
Kyle I think is a real steward of the show. Like he makes a lot of jokes and likes to have fun, but he's put in a ton of work to win the Challenge and you can tell he wants to win which I love. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Kyle is a beast. They always underestimate him but he do be putting in work, put some respect on my boy Kyle!
I’m happy that Nelson is finally playing his own game. He deserves to have the spotlight. Him and Amanda really impressed me this season
Nelson has been playing a very tight game. Especially with Cory gone it's interesting to see Nelson adapt but I guess the past few seasons Cory has had the spotlight where Nelson had been gone home early the past seasons. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Amanda has played the same game she has played for years, only difference is she didn’t come out the gates swinging and having an attitude she wanted till like the midway point to bring her claws out. Maybe waiting like that will be enough and what she needs to finally make a final. Although I don’t think she will win, especially if it’s a solo final. I feel like she is better off on a physical team where she can use her brains. She really fucked up when she had Zack as a partner he was the perfect counterbalance to her weaknesses
While I get how the other competitors feel, just feel bad for Big T. Agreed, she needs to work harder, but feels like every 10 minutes, they cut to someone saying how they don't want her on their team. Do we need to be reminded that often? Hopefully she does come back more prepared physically and mentally.
For this being her last season and for Double Agents where she had an amazing sorry arc the whole season, I'm super disappointed with how much talk everyone did about Big T and not wanting her on their team. Like looking back and having put so many confessionals in the show about it feels rude by the players and the editors. I mean for Big T to go home after losing the season and for all over the world to hear her "friends" speak how they truly feel about her is rough. I really hated it for her. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
MTV is giving Big T the martyr edit
Nelson and Amanda seem to be the only people keeping it 100 this season… I am so over what they are trying to call drama this season “ you’re supposed to be my friend and you hurt my feelings”…it is boring af! Love the vids bro!
I agree. I'm loving Nelson and Amanda. They are saying how they truly feel about everyone and I am pulling for them to make the finals and win. I think we've heard the word "friend" more this season than every season combined. I can't understand we can't seem to separate friendships outside the game and gameplay in the game. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I think after a string of seasons where CT was known solely as an unhinged beast, post-Rivals I, he did a major branding revamp. But let's remember, he (and most classic veterans) have a history of treating the women on the show as disposable. It doesn't necessarily matter if it's "just a game". Being shitty to someone is still being shitty to someone. I honestly would love to see him take a break from the show, too. At the very least, cast male players that don't shit their pants at their mere thought of CT. There were like 10 guys that came in season after season with the sole goal (Cory, Devin, Hunter, Nelson) of dethroning Johnny, I'd love to see that kind of casting for CT.
Thank you!!!! Even though I love him I need a new male to take over !!!!
@@anthonyfregala It was supposed to be Fessy but Fessy tends to self-sabotage himself with his ego and paranoia.
The difference between bananas and CT is people don’t fear Johnny physically, sure he has one of the best social and strategic games of all time but the reason new guys would come in and try to dethrone him is because they thought they could beat him physically. CT is almost now unbeatable in a time where his overall game (puzzles, strategy, social) has equaled his physical game
@@koreyhinkle9097 Jay smoked him in elimination. CT is over rated. He literally walks to every final without once going into an elimination. If scrawny Jay from survivor can crush CT in an elimination, CT is nowhere near invincible. He is losing it mentally as well. His treatment of Kyle in the past few seasons is ridiculous and doesn’t make any logical sense and he seems to be getting really paranoid about the oddest things. I think CT should switch to AllStars for a couple seasons and then retire.
@@mirandah9758 anyone can lose at any time, he skates to the end every year because no one wants to see him in elimination. And to say he treats Kyle unfairly? Kyle literally just lied and didn’t follow the plan they had in place and tried to act like it was a “mistake”, of course CT doesn’t trust him as he shouldn’t
I'm saying it again. Amanda has been gone so long that people are acting like she's a lay-up. Amanda and Zach were a top team on Final Reckoning. That was only Season 32.
Exactly. I don't get it myself. And on top of that for Devin to call Amanda an anchor yet he has the same skillset as her. Like wouldn't that make Devin an anchor as well? Like Josh told Amanda to run 30 laps but she said she doesn't do that, she's more a mental player. Where this episode Nelson calls out Devin for dying in the Challenge and Devin said running/endurance is his strong suit. It's like ipso facto Devin you are an anchor, not this great player you keep touting all season. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Emy is 4-0 in eliminations. I would pick her over big t also lmaoo
I like Big T, but I think this show isn’t for her.
She doesn't take it seriously enough
Yeah because the show is almost all athletes now. It didn't used to be that way.
@@balldalt yeah it’s became kind of predictable
@@Kadunk911 not a big fan of her but she was treated like crap
It isn't and I would be so pissed being on a team with someone that can't play and doesn't sharpen her skills
CT uses everyone. That’s why he keeps winning. It’s a job to him. Not a friendship circle. This whole BB friendship/loyalty trip is ruining the Challenge. I think Big T had a crush on CT. I don’t know why she singled him out. Her once romantic partner Logan has been very cold & disrespectful towards her. The whole vets alliance was against her from the beginning. Citing that she was on the bottom of the alliance because she was too friendly with the rookies. I think this season was very much high school clique. With BB leading the way in bullying those they considered outsiders. It doesn’t look good for the show that all the black players were eliminated in quick succession & they all ragged on Big T in the end.
Thank goodness Aneesa & Emy aren’t going to be on season 38.
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FACTS.
the way they all talked about Big T in interviews: where’s their scolding?!
she MUST have had a thing for CT for her to hold this grudge.
also HUN E : you got the tea for 38 ?!? i haven’t heard a word about the new season 😩
“All the black Players” were not eliminated and can we just stop with that? The challenge is pretty diverse, in fact I feel like it always been more diverse than the other shows. For good reason. I’m not saying there hasn’t been racists on the show, but I don’t think anyone was targeted by race this season.
@@jarronudy5936 we aren't saying they are targeted because they are black what we're saying it it just happens that all the black players get eliminated very early... It's odd.
CT said he was going to look out for her before the season.
My biggest complaint about this season, and really most of them recently, is overproduction. I just want to watch the elimination or the daily challenges. But instead we get 10 confessionals through each and then 10 jump cuts to the same scene in an elimination. It’s so annoying and takes me out of the challenges and eliminations. I genuinely have no idea how close the Emy Big T elimination was or how long it lasted and that’s the fault of production. I would guess that if someone could watch every episode and track it confessionals take up about 45% of the episodes. It’s so dumb, they must think we are toddlers, I don’t need every 20 seconds explained to me by a cast member.
And in survivor there's issue with no enough camp life / Confessional for some cast 😂
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@@yugiwinninglex don't they do all the survivor confessionals on location? I think that would help a bit if the Challenge just stopped doing offset confessionals all together
@@CurleyJeffersonS yes but the edit and the time (45mins) does not allow for enough cast and character Confessional.
I think the challenge have a longer episode time which I wish survivor has.
I hate seeing people talk down on Big T, cast and fans alike. Personally it’s annoying how much the show and fans are pushing for The Challenge to be all about physicality and being the biggest person, rather than showing value to other skills that could be useful. Sorry, but it’s really getting boring. People like Big T remind me, who’s watched the show for a long time, of what The Challenge used to be and is just a genuine positive energy. Maybe she’s not the strongest, but there is definitely value in her and it was frustrating seeing people flip flop with her (especially these past 2 seasons). Sucks to see her go, but wish her the best!
Exactly. I miss the regular Joe contestants. That’s why we haven’t gotten a decent season because the players they bring are either social media personalities or athletes who need to keep a certain image. The fun part of The Challenge is gone.
Yes but even those "regular joes" of the old days brought something to their teams, not anchor them down. Everyone loves her as a person but what does she bring to a team/partnership? Being the nice person only gets you so far
@@jonnykilroy9762 you can say the same thing about nany doing nothing but relying on her friends
@@sandradee3403 I agree. She's been around a long time and she's relying on her friends and a reputation as a better player in her younger days
Let me be clear, I don't dislike CT but for the love of God... someone else win this season XD all in all my faves are kyle, cory, and nelson, so I still stand a pretty good chance of seeing one of my faves win!
Totally agree! I like ct but it's time for Cory, Nelson or Kyle to win one. I think they deserve it!
@Christian Caballero or Amanda… ik she’s a puzzle person but CT don’t need that her toxicity would get to him, but it’s so aggravating they let him skate by this far again this season, makes it a little too predictable, we’ve all seen this one before 😭
@Christian Caballero I'm pretty sure Tori is going to take her out. The editing has been kinda suggesting that
It would be a little different if he actually had to work hard, or at all honestly, to get to the final. But he walks every time without even going into elimination one time.
@Christian Caballero absolutely agree with you. His adaptability is what has kept him winning.
Omg that was a missed opportunity on MTV part on cutting Big T going off on CT because like myself and everyone else watching probably said the same thing I hope she goes off on CT after this
I think it would've been so interesting to see. I feel they've cut out so much spicy stuff from the season and left us with 90 minutes of mostly fluff in the actual episodes. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Am i the only one that finda Emy annoying to the limit of my patience?? Like i don't need to watch her cry after every mile that she runs successfully. By the way, all her eliminations were against the weakest competitors of the season. Not denying she's a beast tho.
Oh, and by the way, didn't really wanna say it, but the season seems FIXED for the Emerald friends. Nany is just walking around once again
I agree with you that Emy is very annoying. I also feel rebellious because MTV keeps pushing for us to like her and the more they push the more I find her annoying. Nany is on easy street it feels like. I have been so critical of the skulls in the past but I wished it would've been implemented this season. I think the season would've turned out so differently. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids Yeah man, them pushing her onto us is clearly the worst part. I thought they would put the skulls in to complete the trilogy actually. It would have been much better. But i guess there cannot be skulls forever, or at least with that format (maybe the golden skulls).
Been following you for the past few seasons and love your content. Keep up the great work!!
I CAN NOT stand Emy, she’s annoying as shit and reminds me of people I know in my home town. She makes the show unwatchable sometimes.
I agree, that her elimination haven’t been that hard. I mean she good, but beast is a strong word.
Tiny Table Talks is more entertaining than the AfterShow! You put together a variety of opinions for your show - the AfterShow is the SAME people every week.
This week seemed especially unbearable. Was just Devin taking 15 minutes to explain a simple point, and everyone just like "Yes, Devin, preach. You're so wise."
@@angelblade1311 the only thing i liked this week was how they showed Kyle his proper respect on how he has really paved the way for a lot of the international players, being he has been on for about 7 straight seasons, is well liked and also has connections with some of the most iconic challengers we've seen (CT, Bananas, Cara)
@@MannySavage21 I'll give you that. Nice to see Kyle get that respect. I didn't realize he'd done that many seasons in a row. He really is a good competitor.
Also, the host Devin is too soft on the guests. The show should read comments and questions from their social media accounts to call out some of the contestants.
That last challenge was so lame. Stuffing paper in a bag and then stuffing it in a car? I'd rather watch CT eat cookies and spin around again.
This season is so bizarre that I am rooting for Nelson to take Devin out.
Nelson to take Devin out in a pole wrestle settle that man
I really hope Big T comes back and in better shape. I love her and want to see her win it all. I would also love to see the blow up by Big T on CT. Even though I'm a big CT fan, I feel like he does Big T dirty and should have her back more
Why you want to get that girl’s feelings hurt? She doesn’t need to blame anyone or start drama. She needs to spend a month, alone, in the woods with an endless supply of protein powder.
@@mikaylagraves4296 Big T isn't a bad competitor. She does need to work on her strength & conditioning outside of the challenge, but she gives it her all every time. She has a great social game that actually helped CT along last season. And, like Emy, she would listen to and trust CT. She just not as athletic. If she was, she would be incredible
@@mrhygh80 We’ve never seen her compete. Like, really compete. Finale are about eating challenges, exhaustion, sometimes projectile vomiting, and having the grit to keep going. I don’t think Big T has the grit. I think she’d give up. Apparently, she’s retiring-which is a good move-so, she already has. She is a nice woman, and I wish her well, but she’s not a competitor.
@@mrhygh80 She only did decently well last season because of CT. Y'all fall for the editing too much - MTV keep trying to give Big T the hero edit and black twitter falls for it every time
I want to see a season with a more fresher cast and none of this “vet alliance” story. Players like big t and aneesa are people nobody ever wants to play with so why do they get invited? We need to cast people that don’t have the deepest history with eachother, fresh meat and fearless competitors that don’t cry when they get voted into an elimination
I am for sure in the same mindset of wanting to see fresher cast and more variance from season to season. Like it would be great if we could get a more revolving door on the show to see a real variety. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Everyone uses everyone in this game. Everyone poli-dicks, uses a weaker player to get to the final, or leaves a weaker player to win a final. This whole thing on attacking CT is ridiculous. Big T shouldn't get that sensitive over Emy and CT relationships because if Big T was more of a threat, then CT would have stuck with her. Some people just need to own up to their side of what they bring instead of using one person to target their anger for their own lack of insecurities. Honestly, Emy is using CT just as much as CT is using her. Let's not act like Emy is some delicate dumb flower. She was smart enough to say I am going wherever CT goes. He is BOSS STATUS, won lots of challenges, eliminations, super-smart, and well-rounded, which I can learn a lot from in this game. Because she is a great competitor and was smart enough to side along with CT, this is why she is rookie of the year and isn't being blindly "used."
@@Kadunk911 Yes!!! Exactly she picked her judgment days... Logan is another rookie player that was smart throughout. Eman had poli-dicking and has been with Kaycee from DAY 1. Many of these rookies came prepared, and let's recognize those rookies left are all from Survivors. Those that can't respect Emy's game are part of the bandwagon of losers that wish to play with CT but couldn't for ego reasons.
CT TOLD PRODUCTION NOT TO BRING HER BACK.
Ehh rookie of the year is a bit of a stretch, but they are using each other to fullest extent so that’s good gameplay mainly on the part of CT simply because he know he can beat everyone that’s in the Final atp, but Emy cannot beat Kaycee so until she get her out, she has no chance.
Now that you break it down like this, you’re actually right… I can give her the rookie of the season title now .. for me, because she was annoying like Ninja on WOTW I didn’t really like her
She could be a nice mashup with Kaycee, but let’s be real here. As a rookie, she already won four elimination and held it down for each of her teams. There could have been Priscilla with that move she made early on, but she is long gone. She will get an honorable mention. The only other rookie worth talking about is Logan as the rookie of the year option. Who would you think in this season is more worthy of rookie of the year?
I like how all of Devin's enemies in past seasons are his best friends now. 😆
Him and Tory had fake beef last season for story line… clout chasers 🙄
Devin and Josh was friends this season but can't stand it each other in got into a big argument last season.
I’d like to see more challenges were size is a factor. Being small and flexible being an advantage - like snaking up , over, through obstacles. Or endurance - like when Natalie outlasted Bananas. I’d like the puzzles hidden from those not in the lair. That would up the value of puzzle solving skills and ability to stay focused under pressure. Marie and Cara list in their final because of a puzzle performance that Marie said was so bad they cut it from the show. They need to honor and show those so brain power is given equal time to muscle power.
Tbh I’m really not trying to play devil’s advocate because in past seasons I’d totally agree, but this season I feel they’ve really thought out the challenges/eliminations and made them so that anyone has a chance at winning… still waiting on trivia over water tho 😏
@laura ann I completely agree that the show really has leaned so far to grant the advantage to the more muscular and more athletic players where I would like to see brains be given the same amount of emphasis. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I wish everyone played the game like CT. All this "friendship and loyality" crap is boring and predictable. Im worried for the future. CT is the last male "star". Bananas, Wes, Leroy, Jordan , etc. arent coming back. Corey and Nelly are not stars. Kyle has potential. And with Cara gone....no female stars either. I just read that CT is off filming a movie...maybe he wont be back next season, then what? We'll be left with Fessy? Josh? God help us. Casting better break out their little black books and start calling some familiar faces. What about Tony, Joss, Rogan, Shane? Sylvia, Georgia, Natalie N or Jenny?
And finally Big T. Sweet girl, no place for her here. She had zero success until last year when she had CT as a partner. Her focus on his loyalty is bizarre. Even Logan cut off the romance because he didnt want to have to feel responsible for her. And the outrage about no one wanting her is also bizarre. Shes not the first, wont be the last.
i’m sorry BUT please tell me WHO ISN’T BEING USED BY SOMEONE in this show.
at least - AT LEAST - CT isn’t using sex as his hook-line-and-sinker to play this game BECAUSE we know so many contestants actually DO that.
so over the players acting like this is the Morality Game.
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Some people are better than The Challenge. Her, Turbo, and Nam are just a few of the names I can think of. Big T was too nice, and she didn't deserve half the crap she got. I wish her the best.
I hear what you're saying Devin v Nelson, but... maybe we knock Emanuel around in Hall Brawl? Really welcome him to the challenge
He’s definitely been talking some shit.
@@mikaylagraves4296 everyone does til they get hit haha
let's be real Emy is also using CT because he is a beast remember Derrell words last season to Amber stick with Ct no matter what
Great point. Both are trying to get to the finals and both seem to trust each other. So I totally get where you are coming from. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Now that it's been brought up... it is funny that Tori wasn't gung-ho about going into eliminations to get back on Emerald since she was the one that suggested doing it in the first place 😂 I knew it was all talk & that no one was ACTUALLY gonna do it when the time called for it.
Yeah when they came up with that plan I kinda rolled my eyes thinking "I'd believe it when I see it". It's just ironic it was Tori who came up with it and she's so against it not. I knew she would be scared to go into the elimination when it came down to it. She just wants to make it to a finals. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I'm glad you're calling out all the BS from this season. It's been hard to watch at times.
You can count on me bringing the best content I can and being real about the Challenge. I like the Challenge but I like it so much that I can criticize it and point it's flaws because I want it to be better. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
My guess is that two from each team (1 guy, 1 girl) that make it to the end will reach the finals. This does not bode well for Emerald (especially Nany).
I think there’s on two more episodes or one before the finals so the math doesn’t add up
Nany has done nothing all season less than Devin
I don’t like that people want to scold CT for his connection with Emy. Yes like you said CT does enjoy and like Emy to an extent because who doesn’t?! The same way that CT likes Big T, because who doesn’t?! But similar to everyone else CT wants to be paired with a strong person who he can trust and doesn’t cause many unnecessary waves. Which is Emy. I think it’s super smart, CT knows how he is, he doesn’t need a partner who he’ll butt heads with, he needs someone who will allow him to run the politics of his duo or team, and that is Emy. Similar reason he didn’t want Kyle because while Kyle is strong politically he is unreliable and can be a wild card.
I would like to see Kyle and CT run a final together
C'mon he knows he's somewhat using Emy and if he likes big t Soo much he wouldn't help emy in the elimination. I'm one of cts biggest supporters but it's obvious everyone is using her even Emmanuel
@@Kadunk911 Kyle and Him could dominate a final cause Kyle won't ever stop and that's all CT needs
What drives me nuts is he doesn’t have to tear someone Big T down constantly to make his point. Like we get it. The cast seemed to have a field day with tearing her apart. I noticed the same with Amanda as well but it is way worse with Big T
Emy is not a likeable player. She's just the vet's puppet. But anyway, CT is kind of unlikeable this season.
First I want to say I love big t on the challenges because she makes things seem less stressful and fun. Whereas everyone else has beef or dislikes someone.
What I don’t like is how people treat or demean her. Every competitor has its strengths and weaknesses. But for everyone to always talk bad and shit on big t is tooo much. It is really emphasized this season plus with her confessional about how she feels and where she comes from. I feel as though the other competitors actively tried to destroy her confidence and then questioned what happen to it and why she isn’t rising to the occasion.
Should big t train more etc. yes but as we have heard before from competitors there is no real way to train for this stuff.
I totally agree with you about Tori. She just comes off as unauthentic and I hope it’s just because of the cameras
I think it happened sometime after her rookie season because I found her pretty relatable and fun. But after that she feels like she plays everything up for the cameras. I just don't feel she's super authentic. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I get where Big T was coming from. But CT and her didn’t really seem to work together or talk much this season. Big T seemed to be with the rookies and Kyle, and devin more. Also, emy has been working with CT most of the season and is on his team. Of course CT would want her and try to help her win. Plus no one else was cheering for Big T. Still a CT fan and hope he wins this season.
Apparently CT reached out to big T before filming to reassure that they’re still friends and that they’re gonna be allianed together throughout the season
It would be crazy if the pre-final was an intrateam purge, as in only one man and one woman from each team ("cell") can run the final while all others are gone. CT vs. Kyle, Nelson vs. Logan, Devin vs. Emmanuel, and the main event, Kaycee vs. Amanda vs. Nany.
It'll never happen though because The Challenge loves to have one team run the final only to receive nothing.
This is an excellent idea!!!
CT is in the championship business, he's about the final win nothing else. Keeping a low profile is his best chance to go far. Amber B and Berna got involved in unnecessary drama, how does that benefit CT? Josh worked with logan. tori and kacey have emmanuel, Cory had Jeremiah and Bettina but only CT gets heat for 'using' someone? All these vets had a rookie on their side for the most part
Very good point!
Ooh I like that idea! Having everybody's team get in the car would have been very interesting.🤔 Let's not give up hope, we still have a few chances for there to be a trivia challenge🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
True. Maybe they'll do a Big Brother where the trivia is the events that happened on the season so everyone has a chance instead of like pop culture stuff like in the past. i could see them do that and maybe that's the purge in the finals? Maybe? Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
The folks in the Peanut Gallery shouldn't be allowed to help the people in an elimination. Let them figure it out for themselves. Please.
Two players I was never really interested in, Nelson and Amanda, I'm pulling for now...I feel both players are doing well in all game aspects
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Amanda gets the award this season for Most Improved Player.
Or best edit.
I agree about mixing up the in-studio aftermath interviews. They really need to mix it up more. Tired of Devin.
Just going to say this Emy is not rookie of the year this season. That goes to Priscilla hands down.
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Lol had to remember who that even was. She was gone way to early for rookie of the year and she didn't do anything remotely worth talking about. You didn't even give any examples of why Pricilla is ROTY. She made one big vote wow big deal. She did nothing else. She never solidified herself with anyone or played a hard game. Girl was a mistake to have on the show when stronger people like Michaela deserved to actually be there.
I do think Emy is the rookie solely based on her elim record and making it this far. Do I care for the player, no not really. Priscilla made a great move but it was kind of a too little too late thing imo, and would be be runner up.
@@Tennessegal Runner up should be Emmanuel for the simple fact he's still there. Actually Logan deserves it more as he took out Cory and is still there.
Is it me or did we not see the clip of Big T saying “stop using me as a pawn” ?
I’m dying at you adding the audio for the word assuage 😂😂😂 Love your challenge content man 😎
Thank you so much Angelcake we all really appreciate the videos and all the hard work you do to push out all this amazing entertainment! Honestly Emmanuel has been pissing me off he has no right to call anyone a chicken it’s quite ironic considering that now I think any guy in the house can take him in an elimination.
Thank you! I love making videos and talking with everyone each week in the comment sections. Some weeks are tougher than others but hearing comments like this saying how much you appreciate all the videos makes it all worth it. Emanuel has been on something as of late and is quite cocky. I think the edit is setting him up to go into the next elimination and we'll get to see what he's really got one v one. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I really wanna see new faces at Finals im so tired of seeing Big Brother, Nany or CT. Theyve had their time, Id love to see Nelson, Amanda, Tori, Kyle, shit maybe even devin just to see him gas out 😂
I think nelson does better with out team young buck. Unfortunately for them they all seem too.
That's a great point. TYB seems to be treated so differently than the BB trio of Josh, Fessy & Kaycee. But when TYB is split they all seem to thrive on a solo game than together. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I actually like how they’re editing the confessionals into the elimination cause I have no clue who’s actually gonna win, they usually make it so obvious which makes it boring to watch
Do you know what the problem what the challenge is? It's so personal. Like I would LOVE if it was much more like survivor, where you vote for someone to go in every week, and no one knows who you voted for, etc.
But instead it's everyone drinking the CT, Devon, and Casey Coolaid because let's be real no one wants to face them.
These people have known each other for years, of course they got everybody new out so they could run a final and have the same people win. Let's be real, what's Devon's plan against CT? It's just so friendly, I don't feel like I'm watching a competition I feel like I'm watching friends hang out.
That's a really good point. I think I've heard more about friends than ever before. Like I would want players to view this as a sport. Like in the NBA or NFL, many of the players on the different teams know each other and can be friends. But just because their friends are on the other side doesn't stop them from trying to win and beat their friends. Why view this game through such a personal frame when it's still a competition? And if you do stuff for fun/tv wise you'll get called back. It's really ridiculous. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I think the finals will be like allstars finals, individual timed and individuals are randomly paired up
I agree
the challenge has to go back to the og challenge ways no more friendships and make it an actual game. I also think the agent theme of the the challenge has to go it’s getting tacky
I really couldn't have said it better than myself. I completely agree. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
This entire season has been lackluster. They’ve cut the ‘realest’ moments from the season.
I agree with Drew. The Aftermath was so much better via Zoom. It is hella boring to see the same people. They aren't even getting people that were heavily involved in the episodes on there.
I want Nelson to win so bad he deserves it
It’s safe to say the dream team of Big CT is officially dead
Devin is gonna make the finals cause everyone wants him there because he’s a layup. Let’s go CT
I did enjoy the All Stars S1 Final were they swapped partners throughout each checkpoint however I had issues with the final leg. It was a partner elimination throughout the season and throughout the final, only for the last leg to be an even foot race up the mountain? The chances that any of the women would have beat these guys up the mountain to take the overall win is Zero.
I agree I didn't like the last leg of All Stars finals. That's why I referenced Free Agents because it split the men and women to each have a winner. That's why I think the Free Agents final was so top notch. I would love to see another Free Agents style game with kill cards and everything. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids After you mentioned Free Agents I had to look up the Final for a refresher only to find that you brilliantly covered the Free Agents Season only a Year ago! Couldn’t agree more, they should have split the winnings once again. It probably was because it was the 1st season of All Stars and they used a point system rather than average time, however I feel they would have a much easier time getting these past female challengers out of retirement, for these shortened seasons, if they all knew the winnings would be slip evenly between genders at the end. Thank You for all your hard-work covering and archiving one of the longest running Funniest Competition Show Ever!🙏
I love the term retirement in challenge vocab
I’m Loving this season and I’m rooting for the GOAT!!!!! CT!
have u noticed that ct has not showed up on a aftermath why is that
I think it’s because he’s filming a movie but I’m just assuming
@@nick13090 but don't they just pre film them and just air them on the correct week like he was never in one last season aswell
@@bengoldstein1673 that’s true! I was wondering the same thing I just assumed it was due to filming. I’m not even sure if he’s in the reunion
@@nick13090 they filmed the reunion a month or so ago but idk if he was filming then
His entire game is about shutting up and not making enemies. Why would he show up somewhere, tell his secrets, and give jealous people feeling brave because they’re not in the house an opportunity to start drama, hurt his game, and make him look bad/look like a bigger target? There’s literally very little for him to gain, and he doesn’t need his ego stroked like half these preening fools.
I don't think Devan has ever been this close to a final that he's emploding
Drew loving the lumberjack look lol
speaking of devin getting tired I thought it was funny how he made the girls carry the bags while he said ill go move the money around lol. Is that someone you want to run the final with? I would take josh over devin. Also kyle saying they actually care about my birthday what wholesome moment
Hahaha that's a great point. I guess I would still want Devin over Josh in a final but I would rather neither lol I did like Kyle having a moment to celebrate his birthday especially after what happened last episode and I think he felt really drained from it all. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Thank God Big T retire. Now we need Josh retire
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ok but actually imagine Devin ever going into a hall brawl…. like what would he do ? 😂💀 I just can’t imagine him in a hall brawl period and especially not against someone big, like Nelson or CT. I honestly think a hall brawl Devin would get off that high horse of his and he’d have to forfeit or something because let’s be real Devins not winning a hall brawl, but he’s also not going to willingly go into one when he knows all he’s getting is an ass beating and a one way ticket home.
Devin would get absolutely rocked by anyone who is left. I think he'd want to go against Emanuel since they are the same height but Emanuel is much quicker and has way more endurance. Devin I think would try Wes' strategy from Battle of the Seasons and hit the deck but he's not quick enough to win but he'd save himself from getting blown back 50ft from a head on collision. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Regarding 11:45, no way anybody on Ruby would be able to help Big T on that puzzle.
Hahaha That's a good point. Thank you for watching and making me laugh with this comment! I really appreciate it!
Devin has really been acting like his friends not on his team should give up so he can win, he has lost the plot of the challenge this season because it’s been such a easy ride.
Devin has become really delusional and it's completely different than how he's acted in his past seasons. Like I almost want to blame BB because Devin got together with Josh and he's playing more like Josh this season it feels. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Trivia is my favorite challenge every season. I'm bummed we probably aren't getting one.
Same here. I'm still holding out hope but I doubt we'll get it. I'm happy All Stars is having their trivia challenge next episode. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Rivals 4 would sound much more interesting if there were actual good rivalries among the cast. But there aren't, really. Everyone is friends with everyone and they create lukewarm drama for the cameras.
Big T is pissed cause CT probably most definitely won this season. He’s far better then anyone that left in the game
I think it’s time for CT & Aneesa to retire from the main challenge & just do All Stars like other past challenge players. I love CT but I’m just over it now, he needs to take a break… I understand men are scared to go into eliminations to take CT out but damn lol respect to Jay & that other guy on War of the Worlds (forgot his name) who called CT down & was able to get him out of the game. I think I’m just ready for better daily challenges/eliminations… I miss when they did the redemption house, drama was better too lol I enjoyed Final Reckoning… wanna see more of Kyle, Cory, Nelson, Amanda, maybe even Fessy if he could chill out lol
At this point Rookie team Romania has my vote for making the final. Its cool to see the two rookies Emy and Emanuel play 2 completely different games and made it this far. But ultimately i want Nelly T and Nani to win. They are way overdue especially Nani. I just hope that Kacee doesn't outshine her.
Sometimes I just want someone to say sorry, even if I ask them to say it. Just hearing "I'm sorry" from someone even if u know they dont really mean it, can mean alot...
I can understand that. I just would think Devin would want to apologize to a friend knowing he hurt their feelings. I mean if you call someone a best friend I would think me saying you hurt my feelings would warrant an apology and not have to keep asking for it. If I'm Tori i wouldn't consider Devin a real friend. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Rooting for Nelson & Logan !
I'd be okay if Big T didn't come back. She is kind of boring at times and is too innocent. She is not a beast. Unless she works out super hard and gets buff next season. We will seeeee
Most of those vet are so freaking boring. All stars is way better. It's sad
@@melodie7282 oh yeah for sure all stars is way better!!!! I grew up watching those players
@@horrormoviescreamqueen13 yeah me too and it's reminding me of why I liked this show in the 1st place. The "real show" is so fake now. Idk what the production doesn't get but they lost it.
just watch them work and toughen up and see season 40 winners, josh and big T.
I wouldn’t mind a pre-final purge for the biggest team so only 3 can go to the final from each team
Now that would be interesting. I would love to see it. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I can understand them not having a trivia one because it has been a bit of an issue in recent ones where some of the questions are too us centric when you have international people taking part. There are things an American should know, for example presidents that there isn't a great reason for someone from outside the US to know, just as US people knowing rulers of other countries isn't generally needed. Even questions on the Challenge itself aren't great because for example here in the UK MTV didn't air the Challenge until Vendettes or Final Reckoning and finding past season on any service before these is even harder than finding old seasons in the US so its not something people in the UK are generally that knowledgable on events of past seasons as they most likely haven't seen them. Its likely the same in many other countries. Even many of the feeder shows don't air here, we have never had the Real World, we had the first couple US versions of Big brother but nothing recent, no survivor from any country. Its only things like The Circle, Are You The One, and Love Island that we get the US versions of
Tj didn't even say "well see you again" when she was eliminated so I think she's done for now
MTV really needs to take it back to the good ol’ days and do rivals 4 and especially exes 4. The can bring back Cara and pair her with Kyle. And get one of paulies exes to come on as a rookie. Ashley could be paired with anyone. Amanda and Fessy. Jordan and Tori, Emanuel and Michelle. And there are soooo many more
I think another Exes season would be amazing. Legit like Rivals can be iffy if there isn't really good beef but Exes would be amazing. Please I pray they dump this spy theme next season and bring on exes. That would be great. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Hope so. She didn't bring anything to the show. She's nice but this show isn't for her
I hope Nelson beats Devon and then Nelson, CT, Kyle, and Emy get the Dub in the finals.
Sweet. Thanks for reading my comment.
Np, thanks for leaving a great comment I wanted to highlight for this Tiny Table Talk. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
That is a sick mustachio, sir. That's all I have.
No trivia and no purge?!?! Lack of game changing moves has made the season stale. It also stinks that Aneesa and CT were the only real OGs. I think it being over produced has hurt it a lot, and I feel like we have missed so many storylines that was left out of the edit. But that means next season we will get more of a classic style season. At least I hope so. With All-Stars killing it I think we will get more of that formula on the main show.
I hope we have more of a classic feel and I want more players willing to make tough moves. I think a purge is still in the realm of possibilities; probably in the finals like the past few seasons. 10 players is a lot for the finals I believe for the whole finals. We'll see what happens. But I do not think we'll get any trivia which is upsetting. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids they could mix it up and do trivia in the final? Harder to think if you’re exhausted. That would be kinda cool.
Bro they’re using each other it’s not like he’s just using Emy 😂 she clearly stated that she wanted to be on his team to go to the finals so y’all fans are looking way to deep into it.
I’m curious to see if Emerald wins and Devin will use his karma card and send Nelson into the elimination? If that scenario does happen, who do you think Nelson will call out? Emerald won so Emanuel and Devin are exempted, that leaves his own teammate/rookie Logan (the one that just beat his best friend, Cory), CT and Kyle?
Can you do a video where you speculate which vets will be on next season
For sure. I'll be doing some Challenge news videos on rumors and speculations during the off season. As well as doing lives on Challenge tea that comes out. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I hope they bring Danny from this season of survivor on the challenge. They need to be shaken up with some REAL competition who has no alliances
You should have a section where you go through the scenes for the next episode . Sounded like emerald was asking if anyone was wanting to volunteer? Like they win again
I might start doing that when the episodes are a little thin on content or nothing really happens. I love to speculate and make predictions so that's a great idea. Thank you for watching and the suggestion. I really appreciate it!
I don’t know if there is anything you can do but I know you hear all the spoilers , is there anyway on your end that you can make it where people don’t ruin it in your comment section ? I like to read comments and hear other opinions , but the last 3 season have been ruined for me on who the winner is . I like to watch the season not knowing anything but won’t be able to read comments ever . It sucks lol idk if you can discourage it , block out phrases like” blah blah wins “ or whatever
There will always be a dummy who spoils it for the season. You have to stay away from the comment section.
@@georgina4874 shouldn’t have too , lmao if I wanted to know the spoilers I’d look them up . I just asked him to discourage it and ask if he was able to . I know they can turn off comment sections , don’t know if other stuff they can do . Doesn’t hurt nobody to ask .
@@shortycb2349 I try to go through the comments and delete all spoilers whether fake or true. I also try to block words or hold comments that use words like "wins, winner or spoiler alert". I'll keep working on trying to fix this but it gets difficult as I'm only one person. Sorry if your experience was ruined by someone in my comment sections. I'll work harder to make sure spoilers are caught sooner. Sorry again. Thank you for watching and commenting !I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids yeah that’s all you can do , I thought you could block out certain words but wasn’t for sure so that answers my question on that lol . Not your fault at all though . Thank you for all the content & work you do !
I'm def a tori fan. she does explain how they became close on the off season on the podcast also with Josh but we should really talk about how much Amanda is clout chasing on Twitter after her even after she deleted her Twitter. Amanda is going to cost someone the final with how bad she is. she had one good challenge
The path to get here has been... different... but I do actually feel like we are getting to the top tier talent from this season for this final. It is interesting how that ended up happening.
I feel like berna drawing a lot of attention to herself and not communicating with CT was the down fall of their team. CT doesn’t think big T can perform when needed that might be wrong, but none of her friends want her on her team, but yet they want her to stay. I wonder why
Their team *
I think it’s so cool u have your own POP!
It's the best gift I ever received. I love it so much. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
@@AngelcakeVids that's awesome! i would feel the same :)
and love the show always here to support!
CT has had a problem with Big T since he picked Kam the way he did, shitting on Big T and no one laughed with him and the audience sided with her. It hurt his grown man father figure Image. Then his “apology” sucked Hes fake.
Last season when we first saw the glimpse of the old CT back on the Challenge. When he came into Battle of the Exes 2 and then fully came back to Invasion of the Champions he seemed completely changed from his OG persona. But he's pretty much reverted back to his old mindset the past two seasons since he's gotten back in shape. i'm doing a full series rewatch for a video I'm making on ranking all the seasons and I see so much of the Old CT in this season. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Is ct using emy maybe but isn’t she benefiting from it? I don’t see the issue, they both have something to offer to the partnership