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It's banned in most OMs from what I've seen. Another big one is in the pokebilities meta where having all of Download, Adaptability, and Analytic made it completely overpowered in the meta
@@itsyaboi1245 that happened to be what sent it this time because this general meta game is much higher power than normal OU but it would take much less in a normal meta game to send it to Ubers ^~^ just 110-120 BP stab ala CC equivalent would be enough
Pokemon ability and move descriptions be like: But seriously. The stadium games did so much right that was just... Left behind, including having the odds of additional effects in move and ability descriptions.
I remember lilligant being very annoying in the pre-dlc metagame. Not just because of flower trick but also because triple arrows was also legal back then. I haven’t touched the metagame in a while but i’m surprised that it got unbanned
STABmons is such an interesting format, because AAA is never really going to happen but move pool changes happen all the time and there are some major problems with the standard distributions as it is. Lots of stuff just straight up don’t get good STAB moves and lots of interesting signature moves are stuck on bad mons or Pokémon that don’t really want to use them, so it asks some fascinating questions as a format.
stabmons just makes me sad aerodactyl doesn’t get brave bird or head smash, but has the ability rock head. In fact the only recoil moves it learns regularly is double edge and take down.
Honestly I feel like Pory-Z becoming broken when given anything is well-known now. I had to look up why Latios is banned given I wouldn't have said its moveset was bad before, but the answer is the new move options are too good (Dragon Energy & Clanging Scales for stronger dragon attacks, Lumina Crash/Esper Wing & Psycho Boost for more versatile & powerful psychic attacks, and Take Heart is an improved calm mind)
Zoroark-H is pretty fun to run off of a Lucario. Both of them can run extremely similar Nasty Plot movesets, as well as knowing a ton of the same moves, and you could even mix physical and special moves on said Lucario to (at the cost of its offenses) make your opponent never know what the hell you're planning to unleash next. This is why my casual friend doesn't like battling me.
I remember the very beginnings of STABmons being introduced. Porygon-Z has always been the single most broken mon in the format, even with constant bans to certain moves. Early STABmons Porygon-Z at its full potential with Shell Smash, Boomburst, Judgement with Fist Plate, and Shadow Ball is one of the most horrifying Pokemon in existence.
Thank you Evelin! Your editing is amazing as always and it really more impressive for a channel of your size. I consistently think you have a 100k or more 😅 keep up the awesome stuff
I'm so used to seeing Ogerpon-Wellspring,png and TingLu,png because Showdown hasn't updated 95% of the gen 9 roster, and seeing those mons actually moving caught me seriously off-guard 😭
Is there a reason Zoroark H used shadow ball over Moongeist beam!? Is it literally just PP or am I missing something, I would expect you don’t even click the ghost move that often so just seemed odd
If possible, could we get pictures of move descriptions in future videos? Me who is new to gen 9 and 8 stuff is confused. Plus idk how helpful it is to see that every move is or isn't effected by kings rock and mirror move under its PP stats.
I like to think that zoroark became a dark type because zoroark hisui was always just hit with dark type moves so at some point it decided to illusion itself into one
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Have you considered including the text of a move when you put the card on screen? As it stands, if you don't already know what status moves like Victory Dance do, the graphic you use only really shows pp/accuracy, not an effect. Same thing with secondary effects of regular moves, such that moves like Water Shuriken aren't immediately obvious that they're a multi-hit, etc.
I don't play stabmons but another thing to note is how h-zoroark normally doesn't have access to encore, unlike regular zoroark. So imagine the enemy using normal/fighting/ghost move, use encore, force them to leave while you set up
Just based on the name I thought that Mons in this mode could ONLY use stab moves, that would be quite interesting but could make ground, normal, ghost, fighting, poison and dragon types really bad. I dont remember if you said this but is it truly EVERY move of that type or every normal move? Like can all ground types use thousand arrows?
It is every move of that type that is in the game, an important distinction as Thousand Arrows is a part of Zygarde, and as such is unobtainable in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet since Zygarde isn't in it
I'd like to call into question when you said that Phantom Force can't miss at around the three minute mark. I could be wrong but I thought Phantom Force could miss, but it broke through Protecting moves instead?
Komala is honestly the only one i didn't understand the second i saw it. Porygon-Z is one of the easiest to understand. Like, it's always going to be good. It has some versatility, but its lack of reliable STAB offense keeps it from being GREAT. Letting it get Boomburst immediately makes it busted
Not gonna lie, porygon straight up sounds fair. Like it hits like a truck but so do a lot of things in stabmons. If you’re team gets swept then you had a pretty obvious weakness you failed to consider. Although I’ve seen moms get banned for less so it’s probably justified even if I don’t necessarily agree.
@@norran42 Blood Moon is not banned, as Boomburst and Blood Moon are the same move, but Blood Moon can't be used twice, essentially making it useless in the tier
I haven't watched the video yet but because porygon-z is in the thumbnail i assume there were some adaptability boosted boomburst shenanigans Edit: I am psychic 🔮
As I kind of show in the beginning, it gets access to Dragon Dance, which alongside Shore up can allow it to boost heal up, boost it's damage and speed, block Sucker Punch with Shore up, and punish attackers with Rough Skin. Oh and the most common defensive check, Landorus Therian, can't even block it via burns with Beak Blast, as thanks to it's Dragon typing, it also gains access to Dragon Darts, which also luckily fixes Garchomps major issue of no good Dragon STAB.
Technically but A.) You can't reliably get these Pokemon in, as force swapping will just get them roared out and B.) This removes entire archetypes from being played such as stall that lack fast Breakers.
@@twilightsilver6230 that's a little silly, Rotom-Heat can't learn Hydro Pump in normal play. I understand the impulse (you want pokémon to keep the stab of their previous forms, so all Eeveelutions get Boomburst), but in this case they're probably better off separate... Otherwise, does Ogerpon just know all the moves of every STAB of all its forms?
Yes Ogerpon does, it was tested in Gen 8 to have Rotom not keep STABs between forms, it mostly just made it suck, as such, council members have let Rotom keep it's STABs as otherwise it's just an uninteresting unimpactful Pokemon.
The idea behind type changers getting other types is that you "teach" them out of battle. An in game example where type out of battle and type in battle is what determines a Pokemon being able to learn a move are Mega Sceptile and Ampharos not getting access to Draco Meteor as they are not dragon types out of battle, which the tutor requires. For STABMons that means Silvally gets every move in the game, Rotom gets 7 types for a movepool, etc. For mons that change type only in battle however they don't get the access to the extra type, e.g. Meloetta wouldn't get access to all fighting moves. Another thing to consider is that pre evolution types contribute to the evolution's movepool for similar logic, thus Tyranitar gets access to Shore Up, a Ground move, thanks to Larvitar being Rock/Ground. The logic is entirely consistent.
It's lower speed makes it slightly harder to take advantage of, and it's Dragon typing, unlike Lilligant H's Fighting typing, isn't particularly beneficial, as the main time you'd use a Fighting move would be to break through the occasional Steel types, which Flapple can't do. But it does have Dragon Dance and Sub, so maybe one day we will see a Flapple take over, but as of now it's been kinda dismissible.
Can someone explain why a Normal/Ghost type in a format where it should only have Normal and Ghost type moves was running a Bug type move? I didn't get that part
@@ailurophilekia6565 STABmons let's Pokemon use any STAB from their STAB options, this doesn't invalidate them from using other moves though, hence why Porygon Z would run Agility, Shadow Ball, or etc
Every Pokemon with a Form change in game keeps STABs between forms, this rarely effects most Pokemon as they prefer to keep their STABs, but with Rotom it helps it in being very strong with Torch Song, Water Shuriken, Roost (Rotom Fly), and Freeze Dry (Rotom Refrigerator), hope this explained, and thank you for watching :)
@@EvelynIsBased no way, that's crazy! This video is literally my first ever experience with this tier so I had no idea, thanks for explaining :) explains why Arceus is banned lmao
In Gen 3 sometimes Aerodactyl ran around with JUST sleep talk and roar like Komala does in the video so that it can switch into a predicted sleep move and mess with Pokemon for a bit.
Hey folks! Thanks for watching, I hope you all enjoyed, this is my longest video I’ve made in the past few months, so hopefully it’s enjoyable (and I didn’t get anything wrong)
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You did get 1 thing wrong (though very minor)
Phantom force no longer bypasses accuracy checks as of gen 7 and onwards
porygon-z: the mon that becomes broken when it actually has options
It's banned in most OMs from what I've seen. Another big one is in the pokebilities meta where having all of Download, Adaptability, and Analytic made it completely overpowered in the meta
Porygon z theorem kicks in again
If the rules of pokemon are changed in any way, Porygon-Z instantly becomes a meta threat
@@brunop.8745 : The Porygon-Z theorem!
My glorious king Porygon Z
It really does just take the slightest nudge to take porygon from RU~UU status all the way to ubers, that thing is balanced on a knifes edge
to be honest, almost every pokemon is balanced on a knifes edge 😭
Yeh idk if id call giving a pokemon a 140bp no drawback stab move a slight nudge
@@itsyaboi1245 that happened to be what sent it this time because this general meta game is much higher power than normal OU but it would take much less in a normal meta game to send it to Ubers ^~^ just 110-120 BP stab ala CC equivalent would be enough
@@tsuna_o7 any pokemon can be good given the right format.
80% extra damage isn't exactly slight
I can’t believe the water spider glowed too much, and then got banned for throwing grenade sized shurikens at super sonic speed.
Truly a ghastly ban, unbelievable
@@EvelynIsBasedwhy’d Gastly get banned?
Shoutouts to Comatose + Sleep Talk + Revival Blessing too :)
Revivecats the sequel
Gotta love Water Bubble's in-game text just... not mentioning its incredibly powerful second effect.
Literally though
Pokemon ability and move descriptions be like:
But seriously. The stadium games did so much right that was just... Left behind, including having the odds of additional effects in move and ability descriptions.
The moment I heard what stabmons was, I immediately thought Porygon-Z boomburst
I remember lilligant being very annoying in the pre-dlc metagame. Not just because of flower trick but also because triple arrows was also legal back then. I haven’t touched the metagame in a while but i’m surprised that it got unbanned
Nowadays Triple Arrows is luckily banned, guess Lilligant H wasn't happy with being unbanned though
STABmons is such an interesting format, because AAA is never really going to happen but move pool changes happen all the time and there are some major problems with the standard distributions as it is. Lots of stuff just straight up don’t get good STAB moves and lots of interesting signature moves are stuck on bad mons or Pokémon that don’t really want to use them, so it asks some fascinating questions as a format.
stabmons just makes me sad aerodactyl doesn’t get brave bird or head smash, but has the ability rock head. In fact the only recoil moves it learns regularly is double edge and take down.
Before someone says it's because it's not a bird neither is crobat
@@srgzachattack1594Aerodactyl is still a million times closer to a bird than Crobat ever could be, so really GF has no excuse
Honestly I feel like Pory-Z becoming broken when given anything is well-known now. I had to look up why Latios is banned given I wouldn't have said its moveset was bad before, but the answer is the new move options are too good (Dragon Energy & Clanging Scales for stronger dragon attacks, Lumina Crash/Esper Wing & Psycho Boost for more versatile & powerful psychic attacks, and Take Heart is an improved calm mind)
Porygon z at the slightless buff: trought overused and underused im alone am the borderline one
thank you evelyn for providing commentary on niche bans in the smogon stabmons tier. i appreciate the work that you put into your videos. :3
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boomburst + stab + specs is always fun. Every normal type can cosplay as Exploud in stab mons, its a bless.
keep doing more of these!! love the longer style vids too. keep it up !!
Thank you! Was hoping the longer style would be good even if I had to do a bit less editing in a few portions
Yoooo Zoroark was good in something, lets goooo
Zoroark-H is pretty fun to run off of a Lucario. Both of them can run extremely similar Nasty Plot movesets, as well as knowing a ton of the same moves, and you could even mix physical and special moves on said Lucario to (at the cost of its offenses) make your opponent never know what the hell you're planning to unleash next.
This is why my casual friend doesn't like battling me.
I remember the very beginnings of STABmons being introduced. Porygon-Z has always been the single most broken mon in the format, even with constant bans to certain moves. Early STABmons Porygon-Z at its full potential with Shell Smash, Boomburst, Judgement with Fist Plate, and Shadow Ball is one of the most horrifying Pokemon in existence.
That Koala has value.
Every Koala has it's day
Thank you Evelin! Your editing is amazing as always and it really more impressive for a channel of your size. I consistently think you have a 100k or more 😅 keep up the awesome stuff
These videos are such high quality
these thumbnails smell like the work if a certain iron mug
Super fascinating video, thank you :)
Porygon-Z would sound insane with Boomburst, Throat Spray, and Tera Normal
It’s always like a little treat when you post videos ❤
Great vid! Well edited and well explained. Hope to see more from you in the future
Much appreciated :)
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love the vid! the recent vids have been really nice :) so glad to see you grow!
Thank you so much :)
I'm so used to seeing Ogerpon-Wellspring,png and TingLu,png because Showdown hasn't updated 95% of the gen 9 roster, and seeing those mons actually moving caught me seriously off-guard 😭
Newer Mons like them have massive file sizes too so I can't blame Showdown lol
Excuse you, Porygon also learns Hyper Beam!
Is there a reason Zoroark H used shadow ball over Moongeist beam!? Is it literally just PP or am I missing something, I would expect you don’t even click the ghost move that often so just seemed odd
No actually there's not a reason, I just forgot lol, but it'd most likely use Astral Barrage for the extra damage :)
If possible, could we get pictures of move descriptions in future videos? Me who is new to gen 9 and 8 stuff is confused. Plus idk how helpful it is to see that every move is or isn't effected by kings rock and mirror move under its PP stats.
Cool vid bro. There's some insane stuff in STABmons. Very cool metagame
Much appreciated, I'm glad you enjoyed
When you put up a graphic of a move description, like victory dance, you should include the part that says what the move actually does
I like to think that zoroark became a dark type because zoroark hisui was always just hit with dark type moves so at some point it decided to illusion itself into one
You''d have a great Joker impression if you tried to do it!
I agree lmao
I was gonna subscribe then I saw that I already was, lol. I wish people subscribed more to these kinda channels if they liked it tbh, thats the only way for you guys not only to grow, but to even keep existing.
Definitely needs a part 2
Cool video bro, I hope the channel grows 💯💪
evelyn you're so based
Have you considered including the text of a move when you put the card on screen? As it stands, if you don't already know what status moves like Victory Dance do, the graphic you use only really shows pp/accuracy, not an effect. Same thing with secondary effects of regular moves, such that moves like Water Shuriken aren't immediately obvious that they're a multi-hit, etc.
lovely video mate, would love to see more
I don't play stabmons but another thing to note is how h-zoroark normally doesn't have access to encore, unlike regular zoroark. So imagine the enemy using normal/fighting/ghost move, use encore, force them to leave while you set up
can you do a video but about the banned/restricted moves instead?
6:23 the water bubble flavor text just omits the water boost
I play AAA a lot but now I’m getting into STABmons
Just based on the name I thought that Mons in this mode could ONLY use stab moves, that would be quite interesting but could make ground, normal, ghost, fighting, poison and dragon types really bad. I dont remember if you said this but is it truly EVERY move of that type or every normal move? Like can all ground types use thousand arrows?
Yes
It is every move of that type that is in the game, an important distinction as Thousand Arrows is a part of Zygarde, and as such is unobtainable in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet since Zygarde isn't in it
My immediate thought for Porygon…. Extreme Speed…..
I'd like to call into question when you said that Phantom Force can't miss at around the three minute mark. I could be wrong but I thought Phantom Force could miss, but it broke through Protecting moves instead?
You right, my bad lol, thank you for the correction :)
@@EvelynIsBased No problem :)
Maybe your confuse with hyperspace fury
I still find it really funny when one major mechanics change just makes Porygon-Z broken
This is like the 3rd or 4th gamemode I've seen this happen
Komala is honestly the only one i didn't understand the second i saw it. Porygon-Z is one of the easiest to understand. Like, it's always going to be good. It has some versatility, but its lack of reliable STAB offense keeps it from being GREAT. Letting it get Boomburst immediately makes it busted
Not gonna lie, porygon straight up sounds fair. Like it hits like a truck but so do a lot of things in stabmons. If you’re team gets swept then you had a pretty obvious weakness you failed to consider. Although I’ve seen moms get banned for less so it’s probably justified even if I don’t necessarily agree.
i believe bc of its ability (like huge power) araquanid has an equivalent of 150 base special attack while using water moves with max investment
No, water bubble raw doubles the base power of the move, so shuriken Can go from 60 to 150
Im assuming astral spreadmove was banned before zoroark-h, which would explain it using shadowball
@@Bruh_idk69lul Would be true if Astral was banned but that was just my personal mistake lol
Wooded kingdom music 🔥🔥
Or just all the odyssey music in general. Love the content
Mario odyssey in general got bangers in it's soundtrack, and thank you :)
Lilligant just getting banned was sad :(
I loved him on my team - then again he won me A LOT of matches
Will have to rebuild the team
cautious. "precautious" is squigled and made me flinch
otherwise nice vid. I love tldr's on tiers
I'm learning so much omg
Yeah.. like how they made copycat not work on roar because they decided that Riolu was too overpowered.
Shiny Volcanion jumpscare
I have to ask: why not just have a comatalk clause like several other OMs if thats whats breaking komala?
doesn’t normally get phazing without STAB legality
The first thing i thought of with Porygon-z was Blood Moon, but I'm going to guess thats banned
@@norran42 Blood Moon is not banned, as Boomburst and Blood Moon are the same move, but Blood Moon can't be used twice, essentially making it useless in the tier
@@EvelynIsBased ah, I was thinking that blood moon had the effect of Ursaluna's ability, so it would hit Ghost types. That makes it make sense
I haven't watched the video yet but because porygon-z is in the thumbnail i assume there were some adaptability boosted boomburst shenanigans
Edit: I am psychic 🔮
If P-Z got 15-20 base speed increase, it would be an Uber Pokemon. 90 base speed holds it back so much.
I got one question left: Why was Garchomp banned from STABmons???
As I kind of show in the beginning, it gets access to Dragon Dance, which alongside Shore up can allow it to boost heal up, boost it's damage and speed, block Sucker Punch with Shore up, and punish attackers with Rough Skin. Oh and the most common defensive check, Landorus Therian, can't even block it via burns with Beak Blast, as thanks to it's Dragon typing, it also gains access to Dragon Darts, which also luckily fixes Garchomps major issue of no good Dragon STAB.
I assumed Zoroark-H would be banned by some sort of Glare + Hex set.. 😅
Araquanid is not joke, the most Pokémon of all time.
im love you ever linn thanks for giving my good content
And just like that, hundreds of people contemplated how to exploit sleep talk + roar on a mon other than komala for like 2 mins and realized it's bad
Man I thought Water Shuriken was physical all this time
TIL Acelgor learns Water Shuriken
Imagine Simple Tailglow.
surely komala could be allowed, just ban it having roar and sleep talk in the same set, or having sleep talk entirely banned?
At least my boi d assent talonflame hasn’t been banned
STABmons is really fun. It’s just pretty insane that these usually bad pokémon get banned
You don’t need gholdengo to counter Kamala- can’t you just use any faster scarfer or Mon of your own, or any priority?
Technically but A.) You can't reliably get these Pokemon in, as force swapping will just get them roared out and B.) This removes entire archetypes from being played such as stall that lack fast Breakers.
I love the fact Porygon Z is broken in almost any meta game
lore accurate
What about focus sash, endeavor EXTREME SPEED rattata
Why is Ogerpon in every tier?
Shadow Ball ? More like Moongeist Beam or Astral Barrage
Cool video, but the background scrolling is very distracting, especially at accelerated playback speed😵💫
Wait, how come Victory Dance is banned but Quiver Dance isn't?
Quiver dance is bug type whilst victory dance is fighting type.
6:30 since when does Rotom-Wash have access to torch song? It's not even a fire type
Appliance moves are weird, it gets all fire moves due to Rotom-Heat.
@@twilightsilver6230 that's a little silly, Rotom-Heat can't learn Hydro Pump in normal play. I understand the impulse (you want pokémon to keep the stab of their previous forms, so all Eeveelutions get Boomburst), but in this case they're probably better off separate... Otherwise, does Ogerpon just know all the moves of every STAB of all its forms?
Yes Ogerpon does, it was tested in Gen 8 to have Rotom not keep STABs between forms, it mostly just made it suck, as such, council members have let Rotom keep it's STABs as otherwise it's just an uninteresting unimpactful Pokemon.
The idea behind type changers getting other types is that you "teach" them out of battle. An in game example where type out of battle and type in battle is what determines a Pokemon being able to learn a move are Mega Sceptile and Ampharos not getting access to Draco Meteor as they are not dragon types out of battle, which the tutor requires. For STABMons that means Silvally gets every move in the game, Rotom gets 7 types for a movepool, etc. For mons that change type only in battle however they don't get the access to the extra type, e.g. Meloetta wouldn't get access to all fighting moves. Another thing to consider is that pre evolution types contribute to the evolution's movepool for similar logic, thus Tyranitar gets access to Shore Up, a Ground move, thanks to Larvitar being Rock/Ground. The logic is entirely consistent.
why didn’t flower trick flapple get banned?
It's lower speed makes it slightly harder to take advantage of, and it's Dragon typing, unlike Lilligant H's Fighting typing, isn't particularly beneficial, as the main time you'd use a Fighting move would be to break through the occasional Steel types, which Flapple can't do.
But it does have Dragon Dance and Sub, so maybe one day we will see a Flapple take over, but as of now it's been kinda dismissible.
deserved more views
Why did you blur pory-z's attack stats lol
because he was focusing on it's defensive stats and speed
what about whimsicott with spore?
Iirc sleep moves are banned here.
Is that you, Evelyn?
Hard to believe it but it's actually my imposter Nyleve
How did barascewda use drill run in the vid?
Part of it's natural movepool
Can someone explain why a Normal/Ghost type in a format where it should only have Normal and Ghost type moves was running a Bug type move? I didn't get that part
@@ailurophilekia6565 STABmons let's Pokemon use any STAB from their STAB options, this doesn't invalidate them from using other moves though, hence why Porygon Z would run Agility, Shadow Ball, or etc
@@EvelynIsBased Thank you
2:22
Wait, how does Rotom Wash get Torch Song?
I probably missed something, great video! ❤️
Every Pokemon with a Form change in game keeps STABs between forms, this rarely effects most Pokemon as they prefer to keep their STABs, but with Rotom it helps it in being very strong with Torch Song, Water Shuriken, Roost (Rotom Fly), and Freeze Dry (Rotom Refrigerator), hope this explained, and thank you for watching :)
@@EvelynIsBased no way, that's crazy! This video is literally my first ever experience with this tier so I had no idea, thanks for explaining :) explains why Arceus is banned lmao
@@EvelynIsBasedstrength sap is probably better than Roost.
And just like that, hundreds of people contemplated how to exploit sleep talk + roar on a mon other than komala for like 2 mins and realized it's bad
Me when the roar talker gets two roars before waking up and being forced to switch
Yeah lol and if you have rest it's a 50/50 if you even call roar and if you're ever clicking rest you can't be choice scarfed
In Gen 3 sometimes Aerodactyl ran around with JUST sleep talk and roar like Komala does in the video so that it can switch into a predicted sleep move and mess with Pokemon for a bit.