Edison Format | The History of Yu-Gi-Oh! #50
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Are you going to do Banlist Roulette for October? Please, they're always fun!
Sign, people, sign!
Can you do a video covering the tier 0 formats?
Can you do a game of modern Yugioh with everything at 3? I don't thing some cards are as busted as people think!
I was signature #998. Less than a minute later we hit 1000!
You missed killing the colossal fighter in def cause spy could have taken it out and necro was up
I get why it's not common, but decks that use their side to board into a completely different strategy are always so cool
Like when people would side into dino rabbit game 2
I agree completely. Btw, the process is called 'smokescreen(ing)'. That might be easier to look up decks that can do that
It's also hilarious.
Smokescreeeeen
yeah it's unfortunate that the Side Deck is oftentimes too tight to pull of something like that
I think the best you could hope for nowadays is playing a going-second Deck and siding into a going-first build with Traps from the Side
I think it would be awesome go have a few episodes of Edison format as it existed at the SJC and then a few episodes using decks created in the decade since Edison format. I never played Edison format so I want to see everything the format has to offer
Me to, I wasn't playing during this time, and I'd love like 6-8 episodes in this format.
I agree. We got another episode for goat format even though all decks are pretty much just varients of each other. Eidson format on the other hand has actual diversity and a shitload of different decks. I hope they will give us more than just one additional episode
@@pandaman1331 yeh
Perhaps Edison Thursdays to keep advancing the series and complete the daily upload schedule?
Agreed
Definitely do another episode of this format. More people should know about how fun this format really is.
Or 3-4 episodes. They could remove the decks they’ve played from the wheel.
It’s better than goat got our second extra deck monster synchro goyo brio black rose and stardust are amazing starlight road makes you feel really good or bad depending the bluff game of Edison is ridiculous
TFW seeing Cimo at 1000 LP and MBT not being a madlad and Tribute Summon Caius to Banish itself for game.
It's a good thing he didn't, because the bottomless Cimo had set banishes Caius first preventing the burn
Skill Drain was up
@@some1fromthedark not in game 2
@@ascriptmaster but the BM for beating the Burn deck with Burn, plus G1 he won against GK Burn with a GK
This is why I love History of Yugioh. I never ever heard of Edison Format until this video, and learning that such a thing existed was just cool.
And now it's exploding in popularity and I'm absolutely gonna play it now haha
how old were you in 2010?
Can't believe Oppression was still legal during this time despite Synchros taking off.
Also Dustshoot was legal for so many years before being eventually banned.
Not just legal, it was only semi-limited
because if you didn't draw it on your first turn it is almost useless the rest of the game
Dustshoot could be legal today and it wouldn't even be that good imo
@@andreabuzzolani7205 Like many other cards on the banlist
Yeah I came back when it was when Six Samurai had just gotten Shi-En the synchro
When MBT revealed that Colossal Fighter couldn't recur himself with Necrovalley on the field...I felt the exact same way as Cimoooo. I generally root for the rogue's gallery instead of Cimoooo in all of these different series shows. However, MBT is right, Cimooo does get more flack for misplays because we see his hand. Kudos to you Cimoooo.
Nah, cimo bad
Colossal Fighter should work as we're under MR1. Necrovalley doesn't get its extreme rule changing until later. In MR1, anything that can "recur itself" is unaffected by necrovalley, which includes cards like treeborn frog, sinister serpent, twin headed behemoth, colossal Fighter, etc.
No, this version of Necro Valley say : Negate any card effect that would move a card in the graveyard, OTHER THAN ITSELF, to a different place.
The score is now
Cimo: 25
MBT: 25
Wow, its impressive that after 50 episodes past they are still on even ground...
Bottomless does not send the monster to the GY before banishing it. It's a weird card. It destroys the monster and banishes it after destroying it, but these 2 actions are considered simultaneous. For the purpose of this interaction, the commandant would have still been banished
Thank you, that interaction felt wrong to me so I'm glad my instincts were correct.
I was screaming at my screen. Thank you
@@InvaderWeezle Why? It’s literally a no-stakes game for fun, chill out a little…
@@Desm0708 Uhh what? I said that it felt wrong to me, not that it made me mad. I was being chill.
The weird part about it is that it can banish multiple mosnters summoned atthe sametime, not that it banishes upon destruction. That second part makes nso much sense.
Fun fact: Bottomless is one of the only cards that destroy AND banish in its effect. The destruction happens first, then it's immediately banished but the monster itself never hits the GY. So cards like necrovalley wouldn't work.
The sixthe erata of Bottomless agree with you. Don't know why Konami remove this additional ruling info in the seventh erata …
@@alicethegrinsecatz1611
It's not an additional ruling lol the sixth errata was just a further clarification
I would love to see some decks that have been created since Edison format, would be interesting to see how those format grew since the beginning
We have a bunch of them posted on our website organized by category. You should check them out!
@@edisonformatcom Which one would you recommend for the upcoming episodes? I think stuff like Dragons and Fish OTK would be awesome since they weren't acutally meta during that time period simply because people haven't figured out the format yet back then
I have a soft spot for Vayu Turbo myself, having played a similar deck back in 2010. The modern iteration by James Arc is a well-oiled machine by comparison, he sure put in a lot of work into optimizing it.
@@pandaman1331 ceoleocanth is just too much of an investment and it's like the OG quasar deck in the sense that it's power comes from knowing all the lines with a random assortment of pieces that often available in the deck, I played it a lot on DN because fish rock and coleocanth is such a sick card but super hard to play and rarely won, it makes you a hell of a frog player fast tho lol
_"People back in this time period were of course allergic to three-ofs"._
1 Battle Fader because sometimes, quite rarely you want to see it. You really don't want to see it most of the time, so just 1 copy so that u see it in that specific rare instance when you want to see it.
people who play 1-offs just run on anime rules and they actually do always draw it when it matters
@@nikodemossowski4621 thats literally the best way to play yugioh
we called that era (not only edison but lightsworm zombie format etc..) the topdeck era for a reason lol
Just echoing the crowd to say that I would love a few episodes of era-accurate Edison, and a few episodes of modern Edison. There's just so much that both eras have to offer.
I'm hoping one of you plays Doomcaliber Gadgets. That's my Edison format deck and I would love to see it shown off here.
Edit: Let's goooooooo
Edit 2: oof
Are you in the Edison Discord? I’d like to see the list (I play Gadget in Edison too)
@@spyreofthewolves8125 I am not. I play the exact same list as the deck that got second place at YCS Edison
Ultimate Offering is auto-win in Gadgets and, IMO, Renaldo (the guy who lost to Jeff in the finals) would’ve take the whole event if he ran the 2 copies he was allowed to. It’s too good not to play.
Well this comment is peak comedy
This is the most underrated comment possible.
22:50 - Cimooooo could've just attacked the Colossal Fighter with the Guard after using either of the Book of Moons he got since, based on what they read for the text of Necrovalley (19:42), the effect of reviving a Warrior-Type would've been negated because it would've targeted a monster in the graveyard.
I'd actually love a mini, spin-off series where you two look at things like GOAT and Edison and play decks that have developed over time, maybe even do episodes where one uses a traditional deck and one uses a modern deck from the format.
32:00 MBT gave up the opportunity for massive swag. Tribute stardust for caius, banish itself, 1000 damage, game.
but bottomless owuld happened before x\ so it was the safest play
@@otangakudyokeman7124 winning is far less important than swag
@@chibiraptor not really xd
When they both had Cyber Dragon on the field at the same time, both of them could have performed a contact fusion using their opponent's Cyber Dragon plus their own to summon Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, gaining massive card advantage. But they BOTH missed it!
I can't believe I had to scroll so far down to find this comment. I was YELLING at the screen!
I was so mad, its weird cause contact cydra into a chimeratech isnt even thst niche of an interaction in modern yugioh, never mind in edison
Here are today’s illegal actions/clarifications:
19:49 Regardless of which Necrovalley errata they are using, it wouldn’t affect Bottomless Trap Hole. Despite the card saying both “destroy” and “banish”, the card actually doesn’t ever send the monster(s) to the GY, but instead directly to the banish zone. And so, Commandant should have been banished
25:22 Torrential Tribute should be banished because of the effect of Caius. Despite Skill Drain being up, at the time of resolving, Caius was no longer face-up on the field but instead was resolving from the GY. This means that its effect will work, and its target (Torrential Tribute) should be banished, not sent to the GY
Conclusion: These didn’t matter. As many comments stated, Cimo could have easily won Game 1 due to having access to Book of Moons, flipping Colossal Fighter, attacking over it with his buffed up Gravekeeper’s due to Necrovalley, and then Colossal Fighter not being able to come back due to Necrovalley. But the illegal actions had nothing to do with the loss 👍🏻
I don't understand why Cimo never attempted to Book of Moon the Guard to send Colossal Fighter back to the extra deck. That should have been possible unless I've missed something
Pretty sure skill drain was up at the time
Colossal is able to target itself successfully under Necrovalley, Necrovalley only prevents moving other cards in the graveyard
@@randybrayshaw9070 The errata they are using, which you can hear them state at the 19:43 mark states "Negate the effects of Spells, Traps, and Effect Monsters that target a card(s) in either player's Graveyard. Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be removed from play." This is officially Necrovalley's 4th errata out of the 7 total it has had. As you said in your comment, Colossal Fighter does in fact "target" a card in the Graveyard. By the errata they are using, MBT would not have been able to target Colossal Fighter in the GY to bring it back. If they were using a different Necrovalley errata however, it may have been possible depending on which errata they use.
I feel like Cimo could've done better than he did.
To the question asked at the beginning. I'd actually appreciat both! Decks from the time and decks that were optimized long time later!
I'd love to see new decks like diva heroes, they sound so intresting
MBT played it when he tried out Edison Format on his channel.
I mean diva hero in particular isn't that recent, it was being played in 2010 after SJC Edison.
I physically cannot wait for the DB ladder for this format. This is as close to my era of yugioh as we can physically get. Can't wait to play it.
It's so funny that between goat format and Edison format, Gravekeepers Spy is still just as good as it always has been.
I am not a fan of that card, it makes the whole Gravekeepr's Archetype lame. Well, they kind of already are, minus Gravekeepr's Vassel, the one with Piercing, and the one with thecape and knife, but Spy just makes the whole Archetype dumb.
@@poisonedyoyo nah necrovalley makes the archetype dumb, and the fact that if you consider royal tribute an archetype card then all the "royal" cards are gravekeepers cards, and if you ask me the "royal" cards are the most gross of all lol
I, echoing many others, want to see much more of this format, both in its old and current states. If there can only be one more episode, I want current decks in it. More than one more episode would be great.
Edit: by "more than one more," I mean "many more than one more (would be excellent)." I would not mind if you stalled the series here for a little while.
I agree and felt the same with Goat Format so this should get the same treatment, and by the sound of this video I think it will
@@shredded_lettuce I think so too, and I am excited.
I think it's looney that they call one of these Declists "Gravekeeper's Burn" when the player using it didn't even try Burn as part of their strategy to win at all, that is so wrong. It is disrepsectful to actual burn Decks, especially since Cimo said the reason he chose it was that there hadn't been a lot of burn in the HIstory of Yugioh, are you KIDDING ME? Use a REAL BURN DECK THEN.
Just some notes: Spy's atk 1200 - Colossal def 1000 (23:28); Chimerafortress was on both extra (26:42)
Already liking this format way more than Goat
Cimo and not reading Necrovalley - name a more iconic duo.
That colossal dogde necrovalley 3 times xd
He read it at the start of the duel and forgot the ATK boost for the rest of it. Fun
Cimo and activating TT illegally
TBF that thing has gotten errata'd so many times it's hard to remember which effect it's on (although they looked up that exact version earlier). There was a time when it negated cards that "moved a card in the Graveyard to a different place, except itself" too (and the "except itself" got removed later)
I don’t really blame him on this one necrovalley has gotten like 8billion erratas
Around this time was whennyugioh was at its best for me, the combos felt good and made you think, the format felt skillful when you played around it, even though I've played since og I look to this format the most with nostalgia
I wish this series was just explaining the formats and the lore, players, combos, prices, random trivia it would make it a lot more entertaining to sit through
Game 1 Cimooo could have booked the Fighter, went in with a spy and attacked for game with the other spy and the Guard. Am I crazy, or was the line that easy?
I agree, Colossal's defense is only 1000. With a Gravekeeper's Guard and two Spies, all boosted by Necrovalley, Cimo would have been able to easily walk over it, and have more than enough damage for game.
it is hard for them to use their brain cells ... it is history of misplays what did you expect ?
Glad someone else saw this.
I think that neither of the two thought that, because they forgot that Necrovalley negates the colossal fighter effect, surely they thought that he would return
He spent so long just... leaving the Fighter there. I kept looking to see if there was something I was missing but he had Skill Drain up! Did he just... forget how attacking works?
MBT, I remember you saying on stream once you weren’t a fan of Edison format. Change your mind huh? This is when my friend group got back into the game during high school. What a time to start playing again!
I love seeing people come around on opinions, fun to see someone realizing all the things there are to enjoy!
I think this is called acting for the camera.
@Flamelord325 As far as I remember, he was asked on stream once if he was a fan of Edison and he said not really. But we of course now know, he was really just unfamiliar with it.
As this was era was squarely in the middle of my first major break from the game (I took it due to Tele-DAD), this will honestly be my first exposure to Edison - my way of getting to know it. Here goes... good thing I am in good hands with you two.
I LOVED this format!! Ran a Glad Beast Deck pretty much exclusively, but I also had a Blackwing and Twilight Deck (and Crystal Beasts locally because I could and I have always liked the CB Archetype, regardless of how good it actually was), but I loved the VARIETY of decks!! You had to be ready for SO MUCH and it had a very high skill ceiling and it was SO FUN!!
"If we get wave motion canon set up, we win automatically" Me: Sealed Showdown shows differently.
I'm curious. What is this legendary Dommcaliber Gadgets deck that got second place?
I believe it was Mkhol40!
its an antimeta deck i think it featured oppressions and maybe machina fortress as well
@@Hclody95 No machina iirc, it was basically a gadget list with plaguespreader, doomcaliber, tragoedia, gorz and a bunch of single target removal.
It's on our site! It was played by Renaldo Lainez
And why is it that bad
28:14 I get accounting for Bottemless and Judgement is important but I would've just summoned the Cat here, on the chance he had Torrential. It's risky, but it would've been such a blowout to trigger Starlight Road here
if he had botomless it wouldn't matter because bottomless would have destroyed 2 monsters and starlight could negate it
You should have two different wheels, one for each of you. And every deck you take is then being deleted from your respective wheels for the spins of the next episode and so forth.
The pros is avoiding mirrors and the cons include one person's wheel possibly being more competitive (they are tracking wins and care about that slightly) as well as knowing what the opponent could be on informs turn one plays into the dark instead of having so many possible decks to face that an informed turn one is far less likely.
One wheel for historical Edison, one wheel for solved Edison.
@@AstridCeleste96 To make it more balanced they can pick decks for their wheel. The one who wins rock papers scissors gets to pick first and then MBT picks 2nd and so on
No!
Mirrors!
Idk, mirror matches aren't necessarily a bad thing (it not only helps to simulate possible tournament interactions back then but also provides a chance to see different ideas for the same deck type)
12:40 This is probably the most wholesome moment in The History of Yu-Gi-Oh!
Wholesome has come to be another word for cringe. But, I can understand their excitement, as Edison is a very fun format.
I started playing the game in 2010 but obviously I was very young and I didn't have money to spend, so I wasn't able to play any of this decks. There are lots of decks on this format that play a lot of cards that I really like since I started. Now, thanks to you, my best friend and I are looking for a few cards to build some of this decks :)
I’m pretty sure even with Necrovalley out, bottomless still banished since it never sends the monster to the graveyard
Correct. This ruling was added to the text of the sixth erata of the card to prevent the misunderstanding but they removed it with the seventh erata for no reason …
anyone else played yugioh during this format, just not competitively yet? I was a 13 year old life-long fan of the show and just learned about sleeves.
I would love to see more deck from the format, there is so much ! I agree for at least 2 more episode !
I'm pretty excited for this format too considering I discovered Yu-Gi-Oh around the beginning of the Zexal anime, and didn't play until mid 2019 when I got my first casual deck from a friend for my birthday.
AFAIK the way Bottomless works, "destroy, and if you do, banish" means it will destroy, but BEFORE it hits the GY, it gets banished.
It's not "before", it's "instead". Bottomless banishes the monster rather then the monster hitting the grave.
This is probably my favourite time in Yu-gi-oh. I see this time as GOAT 2.0. The game was slightly faster than Goat, but the deck variety was still massive and rewarded skill. Synchro era was the best.
Yasssss been waiting for this format!
Hey Alex I really enjoyed this episode and the format looks sick. I'd love to see more of this format
I have so much nostalgia for this format.
I would love to see a bunch of episodes devoted to just Edison format, for both original Edison and solved Edison
Ryko targeted during this time
Commandant would get banished by bottomless, its never sent to grave then banished, its merely destroyed on the field and banished
Probably one of the best formats ever
Variety of tier 1 decks *check*
Skillful gameplay *check*
No expensive meta decks *check*
I would have loved to see the doomcal gadget see play. The deck can actually stand up incredibly well against the rest of the meta
It wins when you open the floodgates, backrow, and drop doomcal or TKR very early. Otherwise it gets overwhelmed very fast.
Another Edison video!! Let's go, this is a very interesting style, please give it another go! Specially as you guys said, this was during your hiatus, you're gonna have fun!
Yay Flamvell Magician! Aka Flamvell frickin Lore Man!
Yu-Gi-Oh is at its best when the deck is a game of two toolboxes and this proves it
Why do you say this please?
I'd like to see more decks from the actual Edison format, and some of the ones that have come since.
There's so much variety, you should use that.
After seeing MBT's video on Diva Hero, I'd be delighted to see the wheel incorporating Edison decks that were cooked up since, I'd love to see what wild ideas people came up with!
Edison where my undying love for gadgets started. Its still an archtype i play around with.
If I was to rank each Cimo Yu-Gi-Oh series, I'd probably order them like so:
1) Progression Series - sure it can be frustrating at times but it's the most hype and original
2) Sealed Showdown - I really enjoy the nonsense that happens in each episode
3) History of Jank - no explanation needed, solid idea
4) History of Yu-Gi-Oh - why is this the lowest rank for me? It is by no means bad. I actually love this series as well, but out of all them, I think I just like the others more. Personal preference of course, no hate at all :)
Been playing this a lot, quickdraw plants are so much fun to play
I would love to play in this format. I remember jamming Machina Gadgets and Debris-Hime around this time. I got my first top at my locals ever with Dimensional Eatos. I didn’t know people were rocking this format, but I gotta get down.
5d's has the best formats, change my mind.
best formats and best anime
Y'all can't do just a single episode for this format, please! COVER MORE DECKS PLSSS
Both say repeatedly that they'll be doing several episodes in this format
honestly the fact nobody can figure out why that deck came second should have meant you played it, especially seeing as how you are playing edison again anyway.
It won on floodgates and backrow. Most decks were not prepared to deal with it and thus lost to it. When the deck didn't open its traps or rekoval spells it got overwhelmed very quickly.
Omg this is so nostalgic! I was in my second year of college and this was the first time I played since middle school, man just seeing that ban list hit me right in the feels.
When y'all do these format mini series I would love to have one episode when y'all both choose one deck to play instead of spin
Ahh this was my format, I got back into yugioh at the start of the synchro age but i remember building my Machina Gadget deck fondly~
Edison is the greatest format in the history of yugioh, followed closely be HAT
One thing I wish they would talk more about is that limited is almost unique to Yu-Gi-Oh( MTG even stole it down the road for vintage as far as I know), and is arguably one of the best parts of the game, often times a card being at one can make a very busted card on paper become a very interesting complicated card to play and build around if you can only access it one time
What do you mean MTG stole from that idea?
Edison Format looks super fun. please play more!
also definitely give us a taste of the modern format's changes
Love this format!
in classic history of ygo fashion the first game of the coolest format is decided by cimo forgetting that all of his gravekeepers can beat a defense position colossal warrior with necrovalley out even though it got booked 3 times.
Cant wait for mbt shitting on zoodiacs 100% representation in a few months :)
Best series on CZcams no cap
The thing colossal about the fighter is his brain. He just read 3 or 4 books game 1.
Edison format was my first competitive format as a teenager. Machina gadget and QuickDraw Dandelion were my fav decks. I really hope you'll get to showcase them!
I didn't know Edison existed until this and MBT's other video. But it's now the only format I want to play.
12:40 Edison chat was awesome. Loving this format
28:25 Cimooo using Heavy Storm to take out Torrential WITH STARLIGHT ROAD SET. Come on guys, there is doing bad plays and then there is THAT
Nice idea, but Starlight Road could only activate if 2 or more of Cimooo's cards would be destroyed. Since Starlight Road was the only card being destroyed, the activation condition was not met.
I felt that
It’s funny, I’d always loved QuickDraw Dandywarrior but I hadn’t seen many people talk about this format so I just figured it was just me.
Nice to see this format getting a lot of love now all these years later. Maybe it’s just me, but I love these slower formats.
I’d really love to see a Dandywarrior mirror match Cimo.
I remember this.
As this was my first HUGE tourney.
And the VERY last SJC.
I interviewed and hung out wit awesome duelists like; HighAdric, Headsh0tBR, PozJoker (Duelist turned business man, lol), etc.
I dueled Roy StClair at a Win-A-Mat flight.
Got my beloved Tragoedia playmat & Made a buncha videos that are styll on my channel to this day!
It was a fun time fa sho! 👌🏾😁
I would love to see the new Edison format decks that have been developed since.
I remember playing my flamevell synchro deck as a red nova dragon turbo back in the day
Machine duplication cyber vally was my favorite random throw-in stall draw power.
You and MBT wear those clothes that in opening with the Pyramid just funny to see .
I can't overstate how happy I am to see Rekindling. Bring tears in me eyes as a member of the Rekindling gang.
I hope I can see Laval Quasar in action.
My favorite deck from this format is Spaceships. It topped 2 events, both piloted (pun intended) by the same player. SJC Edison was not one of them, but it was with the same card pool under the same banned list. It’s basically light machine beat down and he was playing crazy techs like nobleman of extermination and riryoku.
Everyone here excited about Edison format and here I am excited as more Patrons get silly names and I love MBTs reactions
Would love to see some of the decks that have been developed since
Could have tributes for caius target himself and burn cimo for the last 1000
Chain bottomless, Caius can't banish itself if it's already gone. Waiting and normal summoning hamster was the safer choice
So Cimo definitely has multiple tabs open and switches the tabs for his Rock Paper Scissors generator
Would fit him, haha
awesome episode, wanna see more
MBT... SOLEMN THE SOLEMN... MST THE GRAVITY BIND... WHAT A PLAYER
Fun fact: Edison beat Tesla in a duel for the rights of the name of this format
Quickdraw dandy is my favorite deck of all time, I just love this format.
Spoiler:
So that's why Cimo introduced the History of Jank this week, otherwise it would've been another perfect week.
Can’t wait to see more
I really enjoyed this