I love this vid I ended up getting into CZcams arguments about sa and csa in horror with a couple people who were like wahh wahhh cry about it to CSA SURVIVORS LIKE MYSELF IN THE COMMENTS like that shit was wild to me and I decided to shut it down and calmly explain why pointless shit like that can trigger people. But they doubled down, so I think that it's probably immature children finding urbanspook and thinking it's the pinnacle of horror. I feel like sa/csa can be in horror as long as it’s treated with the thought and care it deserves, I feel like the kid and the camera is a good example, it’s so fucking scary and didn’t trigger my trauma I was just extremely on edge throughout the whole story, same with the children under the house. Both are good series with similar elements to Urbanspook’s stuff. Guess what? Neither triggered my trauma and neither messed me up for days because the thing was being portrayed. Horror writers, especially ones who have never met any csa/sa survivors please consult some for how to portray this shit in horror respectfully. Don’t just add it in for shock, we already know the killer is terrible they’re killing people. My favorite part in any of ‘the painter' before I stopped watching was the 911 call, (in the episode family) it didn't have sa in it and it was miles better than any other point in the series. I was much, much younger than Cory when my trauma happened (I was four) and all I can feel is disgust and emptiness for this story and this episode specifically at this point spook's work feels more and more like a twisted power fantasy rather than a horror series and that makes me worried for him and the people around him. I feel like part of it is that we never get time to appreciate and grow with the victims, they get so little screentime that you become desensitized quickly. Like everything being 'oOoOoOo look how brutal the killers are and how nobody can catch them' is just really boring. Everyone barely getting close to solving the mystery and then immediately dieing also makes it a bjt frustrating to watch. (Sorry for the nonsensical rant I just have many thoughts and can’t summarize them all, also spook using autism as an insult just really put me off, it’s essentially just the ‘illiot vs Idiot’ of the R slur at this point. I’m autistic, you are talking about real disabled people :/ granted this is probably a lesser evil to the power fantasy sa stuff)
Surprised we don’t have that “one guy” moment where someone comes in here and delivers the weakest bait imaginable by saying something so abhorrent. Back on topic, my condolences to you, and I hope you’re doing better now.
@@AlvinFlang69420 I’m assuming it’s because less people witness a murder, especially a gruesome one and actively engage in horror content where violent murder is extremely common. I’m a bigger fan of existential and cosmic horror though so I watch a lot of analog horror because that stuff is common in this genre. I’m also not trying to imply that I wasn’t upset by the people dieing, maybe I’m just desensitized from seeing so much murder or violent/painful death in horror. I do actually prefer it if people make it out alive in a piece of horror content though. But Sa/csa isn’t that common or something I expect in a piece of horror media so if it isn’t handled well it can lead to me spiraling into awful, awful memories. I do agree with u tho some deaths are very much to far/not plausible for a character based on real killers, like it began to feel supernatural. And by the second vid that’s were I was expecting it to go, but not it just made me remember something awful that happened to me. Hope this made sense, I mean violent deaths are pretty common in every horror genre so I guess nobody bats an eye. A lot of deaths could probably be written better.
@@Dr.Oofers Also thanks! It was 12 or 13 years ago and I’m doing a lot better now! It took me a while to process it tho, and the trauma kinda made my brain go deleting random ass memories from when I was little that I still need to work on getting back (common when people experience traumatic event) Can’t say the same for the dude who did it tho He still walks on my road despite not being aloud within 100 feet of my home. Also he’s still really creepy and now preys on elderly people (assuming so he can get their stuff???)
I wish we could’ve gotten more from the police side of things, like a detective who doesn’t just die once they get close to discovering their identity.
Even the part of "the police get too close to the suspect... and died because of it" could be better than nothing. At least the police talking about the idea of one of their own tipping off the killer could be interesting in some way.
@@donaddams8825I think he should also add more video footage, i mean he introduced it in pigs and fully used it in meat, so i actually want to see more of it. And i hope it atleast contribute something to his series.
@MJ03H even better. If there's any chance of a stake out with a dashboard camera, then it would at least make it so you can have an idea of where the police might be looking.
This would improve the concept 100%. I was just spitballing the other day and thought it would be a lot better if the narrative was framed as the case files of a detective or an obsessed PI. At this point, it kind of feels like all of the characters are just meat for the grinder 🤣
What’s even more disgusting is he’s selling the painting of Cory as a t-shirt. I know he’s been selling that design before the series, but he re-named the shirt “Cory”, making a parallel to the child victim.
Well knowning the you enjoy hating villians, profitting of a fictional characters awful doing is mixed. As well its a fictional villian character, who marketing around his artwork's meaning, anyone buying it isn't suddenly endorsing his actions. Neither is the creator of that merch as well yeah the change of the name. I do agree though due to that painting lacking substance it leads to it just merely being a weird looking image with so bullshit atttached to it. So intern it just ain't good as a result. It failsjto tell a story, I wouldn't call it disgusting since well the selling of the artwork isn't endorsing much of aNything in the same way paying for Dark Vader figure. However it is badly designed due to the series itself failing to deliever.
@@alexcat6685 I believe the names of the kids are also purposefully named after real child r@pe and murder victims though (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) From actions outside of his CZcams like his Twitter it’s also clear he doesn’t care about s*xual assault victims like myself (I was four) and veiws it as just another scary thing to put in his series, it would have been equally as scary if it wasn’t sa or involved children. Like the way it was presented felt like ‘also the violent murderer also violently defiled these children just because I thought it would be *shocking* to put in tehe 🤭, don’t get mad that I’m making money off of people buying the art that’s meant to depict a fictional csa victim’ if that makes sense. Also autistic people (also like myself) are also more likely to get s* assaulted, so it’s gross that he’s essentially used it as a replacement for the r-slur in his Twitter meltdowns. Coupled with the fact that he can’t take criticism, even light criticism, makes him kind-of seem like a hypocrite. Yes you can have csa in horror but it has to be handled with tact and intent. Think about if it has any overall impact on the story you are telling, if it’s really that necessary. If you’re presenting it as accurate/realistic read accounts of real victims/talk to csa survivors, he’ll ask them for tips on how to handle it in your story I bet it would be a lot better and more praised if you did so because it would improve the overall project. You gotta remember murder victims usually don’t survive and have to live with the abuse they suffered for their whole lives, sa is a completely different type of pain than getting almost killed is. Especially in cases where the victim didn’t get justice (like me, my assaulter barely got charged because he was 12 and I was four. Which to an extent I agree with, but to this day he’s not a better person and he did much worse things to his sister than he did to me. He never went to juvy, or got court mandated counseling, he just got kicked off of the bus we both rode for nine months. He still ignores his restraining order and comes up my road.) I’m not going into to much detail about what actually Happened because this is a CZcams comment section and I don’t really want to mention what having stuff like that happen for several weeks straight while being pressured not to tell anyone felt like. Hell I can’t even remember a lot of it other than emotions. (your brain can block out memories if they’re extremely traumatic) In the long term it effected me by making me extremely weary of men I don’t know/do know and know for a fact I’m safe around especially if alone in an enclosed space like a car or room with said person. I had to switch my driving instructor because of it. I’ve also had to chase the guy off of my road with actual weapons several times, like once I had a hatchet. Extremely stressful to deal with the guy I freeze up a bit, but there are kids on my road and I don’t want him around them considering his track record and he has legitimately no busies or right to be on our road especially near my home considering the actual restraining order. (Sorry for how little punctuation is here I’m very tired, just wanted to give my experience and context for why I feel the way that I do) (Btw I’m not arguing with u I’m agreeing and adding onto it and sharing my experience)
Corey is named after Corey from Oneyplays, Urban is quite a fan. You can tell if you watch his older videos which have an absurd and dark humor.@@daisypage9394
As an actual child sex abuse victim, I’m disappointed but not surprised. Our stories are consistently used as content for shitty shock horror, for people to go “god, that’s awful! Imagine if that was real!” And then they log off, safe and comfortable. Completely ignoring that this is quite literally our daily reality. But what do I know, I was only raped at nine, I guess that makes me “fucktoy corey” disgusting and exploitative content with zero redeeming qualities. Sick of people defending this shit
Well i think were on two different sides of this, i personally was raped when i was 14. It was a horribly traumatizing time of my life that on multiple occasions almost drove me to suicide. But seeing something like this in fiction doesnt bother me in the slightest. Which of course i can understand the distaste for his content and his actions. But looking at it from a fan perspective i absolutely love The Painter, due to it diving into these real horror topics such as rape and other awful things, which most other content refuses to go.
Every damn episode is like:john henderson was found after 69 days with 420 wounds in the balls the painting was found and was titled "No Balls John" this is the painting.
I've actually always advocated for his art being fantastic, being an artist myself... though I don't think I made that very clear in my original (now unlisted) not very well put together criticism of his series. This is a much better video than I made, really good job on this one. The takeaway from The Painter should be that the art is good and the writing is bad, and it could have easily been something great.
@minaxa you were the first person to really shine a light on this guy, I think it would be really good if you could maybe come out and make another video on the topic of Urbanspook. I really want to hear your thoughts on this recent turn of events, and maybe discuss and readdress points you initially made.
I actually remember that video. And honestly? I think the criticisms you brought up were incredibly valid and, as the series progresses for UrbanSPOOK, I'm starting to find myself aligning more and more with the points you brought up in that video.
After Pigs and Pastra calling Urban out on Twitter, and Urban's following breakdown, yeah this series is definitely going down the shitter. When you called Pigs a "mental breakdown in video form" I couldn't agree more.
Yeah... I get that criticism can be hard to take at times, but it's sort of the responsibility of the creator to understand that touchier topics are going to be met with touchier opinions. The way he handled Pastra's comment was far from graceful, and honestly kind of ironic considering he could handle the subject matter of his own series better than that.
@@lexyshannon9428 On one hand Pastra's comment was a little harsh and he could've worded it a little better...but on the other hand Urban did *_not_* handle it or reply at all in any better way, and the fact he used "autistic" as a means to insult Pastra is so much more damning on Urban's part.
@@Cubeytheawesome Why should I not be surprised by you hypocrisy? All of you criticize him for making light of serious topics and here you are using Gaslighting as a punchline for a joke.
i like how you mentioned pigs as him doubling down on the things ppl were hating him for. And then in the most recent episode he decided to be extra vile with a cat as another middle finger lmfao
I fully edited this video like a few days before the most recent episode and I already had it finished so I didn't want to go back and add more lol oops bad timing ig
@@pappo447that's fair, cuz yeah new episode is a little short andit has the exact same formula obviously but he now is flexing up and coming animation practice and skill, I think he's completely stopped caring about the writing and people's feelings and hes purely pushing on just to show off his art he likes. like in said animation the fucking painter killer talks and that just ruined any little sense of thematic story telling i had left and any immersion or fear that specific killer gave me
I watch the painter series for the same reason I watched terrifier 2, extreme violence, but some how the painter has a story (so far) that makes less sense than terrifier 2
Don’t forget semen being found in stab wounds… this is the type of nonsense an emo 13 year old would come up with to gain shock laughs from his friends
@@minkstar9021 the screaming and rapid fire imagery of the pigs episode seemed like him having an artistic tantrum like "BE SCARED ALREADY!!" and it felt like a clilax since every episode has the same formst up until then theyw ere getting bigger, scarier, and there was more and more, rhe music was even building up to it getting more intense and nerve wracking, but then after pigs shit goes back to the same boring stuff every episode with little no new substance again lmfao
My favorite part of this series was when UrbanSpook said "it's spookin' time" and brutally murdered all of his critics using the same methods the painters did
Urbanspook just wants to be edgy because he is edgy, he is unable to take criticism and will throw a hissy fit and call people slurs before even considering any sort of criticism. Which he will always ignore and claim that "you can't handle his 'real' horror". It was a shame for so long that so much of the analog horror community held his work with such high regard, its good seeing more and more people come out against it. His art still is good tho (despite it being cliched that its horror solely relies on uncanny valley faces).
Its such a shame too, I'm not against the shock horror trash, It has it's place but like...just admit that's what you are doing. Fred Vogel had no problem admitting that's exactly what the August Underground movies are lmao, he literally sold the special edition copies with barf bags. The ego from urbanspook is incredibly annoying. Also clearly he finds it funny and it's pretty gross. Again shock is one thing but actually finding it funny? Ew.
@@AlvinFlang69420urbanspook does not deserve any harassment. He was also never harassed, getting his series criticized is not harassment, people pointing out how poorly he reacts to said criticism is not harassment.
I think the reason a lot of people are jumping off now is because... there doesn't seem to be any resolution in sight now. Like, up until what I'm calling the beginning of "Season 2" (Pigs), it seemed like we were building to the killers getting found out... but after Pigs, it seemed like Spook just said "FUCK THAT" and threw that arc away. It seemed the killers were about to get their comeuppance there towards the end, but then there's one painting that seems to hint the survivor towards the end of Season 1 got offed, so now we're just in "Welp, this series is going nowhere now" territory.
As awful as urbanspook is.. serbian film is too much, just straight up, i was never the same after watching that. All the shock in Serbian film isnt enough to make it boring.. its just a painful drag that you can barely get through
Happy Meat Farms also spans across multiple channels and websites, which makes it so much more than just an ARG. I wish more people would talk about it, it’s brilliantly put together. I would have loved to see a series like the painter succeed. I’m a psychology major. I love understanding the human psyche. To have a series that possibly delves into criminal psychology would have been interesting. Instead we got this.
The main issue I have with “the painter” is how it overly focuses on the victims themselves being the horror rather than the killer(s) themselves being the real horror of the story. You’ll notice often even in the most gore infested movies that even though the victims are brutally killed the main horror is still the actual killer doing those acts. They still some-what manage to make you focus on the fact that the real horror here is them. With the way “the painter” is formatted and written it has a lack of you viewing the killer(s) as the real issue because of how much it focuses on the victims and their deceased bodies in graphic detail. That’s exactly why shit hit the fan with Cory, because it focuses so much on the graphic detail of the victims being the horror. It is completely insensitive when you begin to mingle with extremely serious topics with the way it is written, it makes it look like it’s just that Cory himself is the horror you should be screaming at and not the actual perpetrator(s) and their actions. Yes it’s terrifying, but Cory should not be what’s so scary about it.
UrbanSpook focuses more on shock value than making a good story with good visuals. And that’s not a good thing, especially involving children. I’ll agree, his Artstyle is great, but it could’ve been directed to a more better story other than “painters kill and torture anyone, even babies.”
@@KUSANAG11ZThis is like a real document on a killer a fictional one. Not every analog horror has to be some an species, monument mythos, alternates, etc this is different, you are just too soft
@@KennaraSaverro-sd2kc yeah, i like it more because it's not supernatural. it's scarier that way because you know it's a human doing it. my point is that the series is literally made to promote urbanslug's artwork, and he's doing such through disgusting things that have most likely happened in different situations. for example, cory. i was s3xually assaulted by my uncle when i was 7 and it isn't very fun to see someone using that kind of trauma cranked up to 11 to promote artwork.
@@KennaraSaverro-sd2kc The difference is horror series like Monument Mythos have an actual story and worldbuilding behind them along with introducing creepy elements rather than "look at how this person was killed in a very brutal way" for every episode. This doesn't even seem like a documentary on a real killer because the killer just seems like Mengele cranked up to 100, which don't make the murders realistic but really cartoonish and dumb. Before I get called soft, Urbanspook didn't even unnerve me because it's just shock value with no substance, and series like MM and Mandela Catalogue did because their stories are genuinely unnerving.
The main problem I have with the sa, cp, and zoo parts is that it focuses way too much on the details to the point of desensitization for edginess value. It's not out of character for horrible murders/serial killers in real life to not only do some of the same stuff, but exponentially worse than the Painter series. There is just too much focus on how each victim is killed, rather than the horror of the two main killers themselves. The sa, cp, and zoo segments should be a _lot_ more vague. Plus overall the entire story could be a little more vague with all the victims fates in general. What makes the horror sub genre with scary and unrealistic monsters is the less that is explained about them, that way it is left to the reader's/viewer's imagination of how horrifying the monster is. And the human mind is capable of making things seems scarier then they actually are.
I have noticed that whenever a horror series crosses a _certain_ line, it stops being unsettling to me and I just feel like that "oh. thats gore :/" meme.
Honestly like half the text descriptions in the videos could be censored and the series would be praised a hell of a lot more I mean, it still wouldn't be great, and just a bit too edgy, but leaving most of that edginess for the viewer to imagine would benefit the series a lot
I was brutally sexually abused as a kid and could never, never, never fully grasp what happened to this day. I hate so fucking much how Urbanspook used csa for his horror, because csa and that kind of topic has been used in other media but in a much more better way. In my opinion, Lacey's Flash Games described explored csa trauma in the most horrific and sad way. Urbanspooks csa horror is more shocking, with nothing else to add.
Well sad and horrific is also what urban does, its just that lacey does a better job showing the meaning behind those tragedies resulting in you realiting to it, you see it from her perpective and just how bad it really is. Thats makes it work, as it doesn't silently act like it doesn't exist while being accurate, as the truth i would persume if the best that kind of survivor would want. Urban didn't really say anything with it, so it was nasty and gross with nothing to it. I had an idea of having it represent how terrible expections parents can have on kids as the painter refering to his victim as a "crybaby" would be a refernce to himself. As his dreams were treated as Nothing but baby talk. So he'd project his own thoughs on the poor child by forcing him to "grow up". That would actually using the horrific juxtipotision of the artist's action with what he thinks, being more horrifying as he becomes more real. Lacey is horrifying due to that realness, that the world does have some herrodus shit ontop of the good shit. It's amazing as depecting that.
I’m pretty sure “James secret face” is based off of Trevor Henderson’s creature bridge worm. My sister thinks it is bridge worm, and spook just stole it off Google and put it in the video. I’m not hundred percent sure but the details in the face are almost identical, down to the eyes,nose, and teeth.
I think UrbanSpook should try doing what Alex Kister did when he remade Mandela Catalogue Vol.1 and just remake the first five episode, I know it might take a while but if he really try's to improve the writing, visual, and limits the amount of shock horror used in it then The Painter would be able to one of better Analog Horror series in the genre.
I also feel the need to mention that one painting ("Breeding Mount Mae") is just an edited version of a commission someone payed for (as seen on his Instagram). Bit strange
The small touches you added to this video actually made the story and art better, I'm not kidding. Narrating the slides, and that footage of a corkboard showing the paintings and photos are actually really nice touches
Urbanspook feels like they're either a 13 year old or never grew out of being a 13 year old. the one thing that really cemented that for me was learning the cory was named after spazkid from newgrounds.
i've always had this sort of philosophy when constructing perhaps any story really, trying to metaphor tropes and whatnot to food like what you just described with icing on a cake... for example: blood and gore is the sauce for your horror pizza. a common element that can be skipped if desired but is common for a reason, best used to complement and enhance the other flavors utilized since it can suffocate everything else if you use the whole bottle or if you just serve the sauce on a plate by itself and call it a dish,
I think it is legitimately disappointing that series like Greylock have a fraction of the attention of Urbanspook when the prior has far more effort put into it with custom visuals, superb voice acting, and occasional found footage sequences that are visually phenomenal.
I had created a page dedicated to counting the deaths on the List of Deaths wiki, when the series had recently came out. I had actually found the series kind of enjoyable, and thought the series would become better when it got more attention. That was until the 3rd video came out, and I became more adament to continue working on the page. But I thought it was a one off thing, it was supposed to be shocking, so I continued. Until the 6th came out, and I didn't want to go back to that page to edit it. I came back 2 days later to find someone else had edited it. I dont plan on returning to article, not even the guy who edited it hasnt even came in to do the newer videos. Just wanted to share this.
This video straight up does a better job of presenting the paintings as terrifying just by the way you incorporate music and build up "Pigs" followed by the display of each of the paintings from the video was the best scare to come out of Urbanspook
Honestly with the recent rise of this series going into the shitter I’m glad I have found someone else who shares the same opinion on urbanspook’s art and the general way he handled the story. He handled it with such an immature and general dog crap light that it dosent really make the story feel good, there’s nothing to hold the story up other than- Shock value that’s overrated, overused, and just there to get a trigger out of you Hell, his entire series follows behind this phrase: " Roses are red, cacti are prickly, holy hell this escalated quickly. "
i freely admit i was convinced Urban Spook was going somewhere interesting with all this for far longer then most...... but when the latest video left me with nothing but ".....well that felt like every vid so far." i finally got what everyone else meant. it's like rewatching a single random deathtrap from Saw. over and over and over and-
I feel like sex-related horror CAN be done right. I mean, the Outlast series, stated to be one of the scariest horror game series ever, is FULL of it. One of the main villains of the whistleblower dlc is literally a r*pist trying to mutilate your genitalia. If you can do it right it can be terrifying, if done wrong it just feels like it's done by a twelve year old wannabe edgelord. It's difficult to find that balance between doing it so that it actually causes fear but too much to the point of being offensive in order to just shock the audience and doing it so little that it just feels out of place and random, but it's possible. It draws from a fear that every person has: a loss of control over your own body.
I wanted to come back to this because like a week or two ago I played a game called "my eyes deceive", which is a great example of making a good horror game relating to sex, even relating to p*dophilia. SPOILERS: In the game, you are in a post apocalyptic future where you're a young girl who has to stay in her basement because the world is filled with monsters and some kind of highly infectious virus. In order to stave off the infection, your father makes you take pills every day, which happen to make you tired. He also brings you food every day and tells stories of what's going on outside. After he disappears for a few days, you get to decide whether or not you take the pills, and if you choose not to, you end up not being sleepy and it is revealed that the pills were actually sleeping meds, and your father wasn't actually trying to protect you, he was making you take them so he can... Ahem... "Please himself with your body" while you're asleep. The police take him away and you wonder what's going on so you go upstairs and see the sun for the first time, as well as the entire planet, which wasn't actually an apocalypse at all. He lied about everything. It's a disturbing, scary, and tense game, full of strange but creepy nightmare sequences every night, and the twist at the end knocks you off your feet immediately. Yet it is a great game, because the execution was done amazingly. As a victim of r*pe, I found it relatable and especially terrifying. It's a game that explores the perspective of a grooming victim, and does it well enough that it feels like it's spreading awareness rather than just using it for shock value. It even feels kinda personal in a way, as if the creator is pulling some of it out of personal experience. Pretending to sleep while hearing your father unbuckle his belt and talking about "getting to it" before he has to run upstairs to talk to the was a terrifying experience, a tense scene that even when it's over, and you're safe, still leaves you quiet, like someone punched you in the stomach so hard it took the air out of your body. It'll always hold a special place in my heart, it's a game that can only be experienced once, but perfectly encapsulates what it's like being preyed on as a child. It's short, and simple, and lacks a lot of the things most other horror games have, like gore and monsters and chase scenes and whatnot, but the fear comes from the cold reality that it isn't just a story, it's a personification of a real threat many children face everyday.
I found a way to enjoy this series more. all you have to do is: -don't think of it as horror (because it isn't) -watch it with friends (so you don't go to sleep) -and finally turn off your brain (you aren't going to need it anyways for this series) also side note, yeah, I'd too be lying if I said the art isn't actually good, it reminds me of those old creepy pastas that were basically centered around one image like smiling dog
You know, seeing the amount of CSA in the Painter and the extremely disturbing nature of his earlier, more juvenile works, it sometimes makes me wonder if Spook themselves were a victim of some kind. It's not fair to speculate on that, but with what I've been shown I can't help but wonder.
Another absolutely fantastic video man, beautiful closing statement. I can't stress enough about how the art clearly shows soo much talent, and I think that's ultimately what drives me so nuts with the series. There's clearly raw talent being displayed with the art, and even the sound at points, but everything else is so contrived, and just boring. I've seen a lot of people bring up the art was made long before the series, and it shows. The whole thing feels rushed around this art, rather thing using that talent to also build a clean, entertaining, and cohesive project. The newest entry's ending seems to be pointing towards fixing some of this, but it's still in an episode that feels like the other slop that's been pushed out. It's really hard to say what'll happen in the future, if he'll keep doubling down to further alienate himself from the scene, or if he's genuinely taking a step back, and reevaluating it all. Just sucks seeing someone with arguably a natural talent to create convincing horror pieces, squander it all away devaluing his series after every upload, because people on twitter weren't nice to him.
In his latest video, there's this scene of the two killers being viewed on a security camera. They're depicted in the form of animated paintings against an otherwise fairly realistic looking background. Its such a unique visual style I haven't seen before, and it makes me even MORE dissapointed by how terrible the seires is and how great it could have been.
I respect your opinion even though I disagree. I feel like the creator certainly has talent when it comes to painting, but either doesn't have the talent for writing or doesn't put in the effort required to show their talent. I do feel that the series DOES have potential, but I'm still uncertain if the creator can or will tap into that potential, given their previous behavior.
@@emilygordbort7300Maybe if he starts making genric jumpscares and gives a boyfriend to the painter so you can have your chibi shipping art will be more your liking.
@@AlvinFlang69420 No, not really. Adding in jumpscares without altering the content around it to increase tension would just make it annoying. Adding a boyfriend to the painter would certainly be something approaching characterization but it'd be easier and more effective to just make the painter themselves an actual character instead of a plot device. (Yes, I am aware you're being sarcastic because you think it's funny or something. I just find my own amusement in taking these kinds of comments dead serious.)
I actually like Faces a lot and think the rest of the series never really lives up to it. It sets out to give you a police log with weird droning anxiety music, bouncing you between crime scenes & paintings, giving you a view of "reality" then one of whatever unhinged shit the killers thought up, then it eventually just leaves you with a ton of paintings offering no explanations. When it was supposed to be a one-off I think it worked well, but later videos took steam out of it by revealing the fates of the victims in really unsatisfying ways That being said I am still following this series because it has some good components. The audio's great (I even think PIGS' audio conceptually works, but the episode has problems you mentioned) and all the tiny details/clues scattered in frames in the videos remind me of ARGs from the early 2010s, so I'm engaged, but I wish he let go of this need to put the most extreme content in possible when it rarely adds anything just so he can upset twitter people who don't even watch the series. I think it's at the point where it's become more goofy at points, like I just can't take the Mae Ford painting seriously lmfao
the day people stop saying "the whole point is to be disturbing" in defense of badly written, badly executed, and simply disrespectful "horror" like this will be the day i rest
By his latest content, you're absolutely right. Urbanspook could have been amazing. But due to him writing things in just to give shock value and completely ruin the horror, and how he can't take criticism just...ruins the video. There's a difference between writing things in, that would make sense, and give it a more eery feeling. But what he does is just "Oh, this guy jacked off in the wounds." Just completely ruins it, it doesnt give shock value, it doesnt give more horror. It's just unnecessary and ruins the feeling.
@@harryvass9018 No they would, but like I said theres a DIFFERENCE Between adding these things, that would make sense and move the story forward, and just adding that just for shock value.
Also bestiality got performed on a cat. Idk if it was one of the Painters themselves or if they forced the victim to do it with the cat but either way the shit adds nothing to the story other than “boooo taboo subject aaaaah”
Something that gets me about this series is the needless sexually themed gore and the large amount of violence towards children. I watched Wendigoon react to some of these and he said something along the lines of "if the story can, not, use it then don't use it". Also something along the lines of "the writing needs to earn the privilege to use obscene themes or visuals" Etc. I think a good example comes from Vita Carnis ( highly recommend if you haven't seen it, *SPOILER ALERT* ), the series is about "meat creatures" near the beginning you learn about a creature called "the harvester" which is a large bulb shaped mass that has a large network of tendrils spreading out from it underground for several hundred ft. These tendrils are lined with spikes, on one side they inject a nerve agent that paralyzes you, on the other an anti coagulant. If you step over one of these they spring out of the ground like a bear trap from hell, bite down, and thrash violently. This act paralyzes you and stops the blood from clotting so all the wounds opened by the thrashing won't stop bleeding. After you die a second set of smaller tendrils rise up to "drink" the blood then wrap around your corpse and drag it underground to "eat" everything else leaving the bones behind. A pretty fucked up way to die, but also really cool in concept. Anyways this is told to us near the beginning and is payed off much later when we "see" (more so hear) it happen to a child. What you see on screen is a sort of wax doll facsimile of the child underground melting into a skeleton while the blood chilling screams of the child explode through your speakers. You're hearing the beginning of the process while seeing the end of the process and it's so fucking visceral. The same thing later happens to the mother who comes running towards the screams. This is an example of the writing earning the right to do something like this. They set it up early, pay it off later, and don't rub it in too hard or grossly explain it in needless detail. Though I'm sure Vita Carnis also gets a pass for just being well made in general etc. Wendigoon's reaction stream: czcams.com/users/liveqQtiDMWYIxE?si=FOMRkF5ATAgc1Mhf Vita Carnis Playlist: czcams.com/play/PLoQCowtS-bYLdCasDSl0rMqEfcswN2L3Q.html&si=FY7Pk0ZLbVKNGoNV
I think the vita carnis scene you're referring to is a good example of why "if you can not, then don't" doesn't work and just seems more like an empty criticism. The entire scene could absolutely have been told without involving a child, and it absolutely could have been told without a 2 minute long visceral child screaming sound. It was a good scene obviously, but I don't see how it's a good example of what you're trying to describe - you could have told the same story with just adults, or no humans at all and used an animal instead. It could definitely have been told without the realistic agonising scream sounds. Point is, "if you can not, then don't" is just an empty criticism. You realise that if you take it seriously you have to cut out most scenes in horror.
imo this is the best critique i've seen on the painter, because honestly, spook had so much potential to make it a great series, but it all fell flat so quickly
Cory's whole thing made me tear up and especially the fact that he was called fvckt0y cory in the painting makes my skin crawl, everything in this series makes me feel sick to my stomach, i find the paintings cool? (They look good but the names are not good). Sexual assault and sexual violence (both child and adult) shouldnt be used as a way to shock the viewer. when people who've actually dealt with this haven't survived it, I'm someone who is a survivor of it, i couldnt watch this fully even with someone reacting to it due to the sexual assault and child murder. I felt like my heart dropped while i watched this (hell even you explaining it i felt sick to my stomach), i feel like this wouldve been better without the whole child sexual assault thing (sorry for the rant and your explanation is good and i was able to watch this fully when you were talking about it)
This series started out okay I think, going for something quite "real". Like I've heard a lot of people who praise it say that it creeps them out because its a serial killer story, not some sort of supernatural or cosmic horror like lots of other analog series. However even this positive factor is gone now, with shit like people being killed via giant piles of wax? It's really jumped the shark and something that was already very edgy has now just become straight up gore porn like I'm watching a fucking MK fatality compilation 😆 Good vid btw!!
Even then, the series has never been realistic with such a high kill count and somehow infinite means of torture and sadism. It just doesn’t make any sense. Calling this more realistic than Mandela Catalogue is just stupid imo. (not saying ur stupid)
@@alext399 there are killers with killcounts this high and I'm pretty sure it's meant to be two working together, i get what you're saying though, urban spook is trying too hard now and it's just boring.
@@crumpetcommandos779 Yeah but these killers are killing high ranking officers and people apart of the investigation, plus it’s in a state - town and they’re using the wildest methods to kill said 30 people lol. Irl killers with body counts that high usually just deceived people, not Michael Myers level self insert anime characters that can’t be stopped.
I wrote a comment on a video about the game Dormitabis, it was something along the lines of "if you can't write touchy subjects in a sensitive, careful way, don't write them" that goes for "The Painter" as well
Honestly I agree that Urban Spook should do more then just white text on a screen becuase it is decent but it could be even better. However, personally I like the over the top shock horror. For me it's hard to get scared with big scary monsters or grisley stuff happening on screen, but when you add sa or cp into the mix it's a whole new level of horrific. It probably says alot that it takes the most disgusting acts done in the most grisly of ways to bother me, but I think that's the length horror needs to go for me to be disturbed, becuase that's about as evil as you could possibly be, to the point that if it didn't bother me would be inhuman. All around though good video. I really only thought postively about Urban spook's videos untill I watched this and it's good to see another opinion. Lastely I just wanna say my top three favorite videos of his are pigs as my most favorite, family as my second, and in the walls as my third. Have a goodnight.
I'll be honest, I _like_ shock horror, but I don't really like the way Urbanspok handles it. Sure, shock horror for the mere sake of, well, shocking the viewer does exist, it doesn't always have anything to add to the story, and while I'm not really a fan of that, I don't really mind, but my problem is: there is literally nothing that could prepare you to witness it in The Painter. The videos always begin with a warning like "The following video may be disturbing" and all that jazz, it wouldn't take more than one extra textbox to specify that "This video may contain CSA/Animal violence/Sexual crimes", and this wouldn't even break the immersion since all the videos already have a warning. Honestly, the only thing I like about the series itself is art and how it evolves. For an example, the latest episode, "MEAT" had an actual animated bit. "FAMILY" had voice acting. The quality increases, with the phone call in Family being genuinely terrifying and the animation in Meat being unnerving enough to keep you on edge (at least in my opinion). The writing of the series isn't good, and some points are just absurd (487 stab wounds? Really?), so I gotta agree that Urbanspook isn't a good writer. And he doesn't know how to take criticism either. So really, I only like the art, and this is the only reason I am still interested in the series and how it'll go forward. I can just hope though that Urban will learn to take criticism and improve his writing, because I do believe he has potential.
For Terrifier 2, I’d just be safe with saying something is “a borderline snuff film”. As you said, its very gorey and shocking for the sake of it, but a snuff film depicts a real murder. Terrifier 1 and 2 clearly show off deaths that are all fake and made with practical effects, if it was borderline snuff it’d show something more real but just lacked a real death. From what I know everyone behind the movies, especially one of the girls who got a brutal death, had a fun time filming it despite what happens to her character
He wasn't trying to claim it was an actual snuff film. He was just noting how the gore is so highlighted and realistic that it can feel like a snuff film at points.
@@kaigrote8630 i understand he wasn’t actually, but some people can just easily mistake stuff when you say “borderline snuff”. Looking at it like that yeah I could see the term working, I mean something like Cannibal Holocaust could be considered borderline snuff. Who knows maybe the creators of Terrifier 2 would be proud to hear it get called “borderline snuff”
@@chocomelo454 If you’re talking about the opossum, I highly doubt it’s a real one. First thing is its already dead when we see it so we don’t see it moving around before it gets killed on screen like in Cannibal Holocaust or Friday the 13th. Secondly, even though this is a very gorey movie I’m certain they just faked it like with the rest of the kills. If they had actually brought in a real possum corpse into a school and had actors playing with its real insides I don’t think that’d fly or go under the radar.
The Cory character is based on Cory from Oneyplays. The same Cory who defended Shadman creating art of Keemstar's daughter and Eddsworld (after his passing) getting SA'd. I'd say the portrayal is well deserved.
@@advancedjtardation51well, yeah... but if we're being honest similar horrible things have actually happened to children irl, and understandably not everyone is willing to stomach that kind of thing to begin with regardless of whether or not it's fiction. If you can handle it, that's fine. I just wouldn't go around telling everyone who can't to "chill".
If handled correctly, that revelation of that painting being identified as cory couldve been really impactful and actually horrifying, like even if he felt that sa *HAD* to be in the story and is integral to his "painting" for lack of a better term, of the character of the painter killer, he couldve done it more tastefully and have it relate to something instead of it being there to be there, like maybe they delve into fleshing out the police and detectives, and making one of them be a family member or a family friend, and have his shock reaction being a further motivation for him to find this killer, or his emotion causing turmoil in the police force, like story writing can be hard, i get that, but what i think could help that is having a centralized character to help convey his story, because the only real character(that isnt dead) is the painter, and his total character is murder, painting, and pedophilia, so basically no character at all, why should i care about this story if theres nobody apart of the story aside from people who have already died, i really love horror, and these pictures have actually disturbed me in a way i havent been since i was a kid watching horror like this, so it disappoints me to not see it succeed, like the faces of the family were probably the worst, in a good/scary way, itd be 10× as effective if it had good context and substance to it, itd be considered one of the great horror series online.
why the actual fUUUUUUUUUU do you have so little subs and your editing, animations, drawings, and voice overs and everything are literally just the best thing ever, its literally amazing and spot on, its so freaking good lol.
Honestly if this was a movie Id watch, ditch the CP elements, those are EXTREME, but having a movie based on THIS series in particular would be pretty sick Sure its a quiet series, nothing to add, but it does capture my attention SOMEHOW compared to Mandela Catalog for example and compared to his early episodes its gotten better with the addition of voice acting and the cctv cameras!! The designs are great, the paintings are great, the concept is great but it can be better with the right sources and assistance!! Thats just me tho
I've lost all care for his series after his latest video, where he had a painting of a cat with the name "Pocket (kitty)" and it's obvious what that means. For no reason he just puts that in the video for no reason other than for pure shock and disgust.
I like the fact urbanspook is starting to experiment with the Morse code in the audio saying bullets don’t work, the 911 call and the most recent security cam footage, but some of the other stuff like Cory and the cat and horse are to crazy
Honestly Im suprised to see how high quality this video is. I watched this series when it first started. I had high hopes for this series but once the whole Peter the horse is here incident The series made me start to doubt the series.
All I really want is for UrbanSpook to handle more serious topics with a little more class, as well as take valid criticism. He can do whatever he pleases with his own series, but the way he goes about it gives me a very gross feeling. CSA can be talked about, but as a survivor myself, the way he talks about it and treats it just feels so incredibly insensitive.
I think the worst thing about UrbanSpook is that it's not scary. It relies so much on the creepy imagery and disturbing content because there is NOTHING else. No characters to latch onto, no ongoing narrative. Every video is just "We found more bodies. Here's the fucked up shit the killers did and the painting we found. Oh and also the officer who was investigating died." The Mandela Catalogue HAD a story, it had characters, it actually felt like I was delving into a mystery via various VHS tapes. UrbanSpook is like watching an edgy mid 2000s PowerPoint video, the only thing that's missing is Linkin Park. I'm okay with SA/CSA occurring in media, the problem that so many UrbanSpook bootlickers just cannot understand is that it should fucking MEAN something. If it's just done to shock people, then it's immensely disrespectful and just really gross.
This video reminds me of a story of a mod developer who reacted about the same way as Urbanspook, who had opened a suggestions tab on their most popular mod's page, and almost immediately upon receiving direct criticism for their mod's many, many flaws, rather than working to fix them, instead responded negatively, saying it was horrible to have such hatred of their mod presented to them, and when confronted about it, they basically had a meltdown.
As someone who enjoys horror for the horror I’m extremely conflicted with the series as I really enjoy from a stand point of true crime terror as a lot of what he does can seem like something that could happen, minus the wax scene a lot of stuff in here is what truly evil people do from John Wayne to Ted Bundy to the Milwaukee Cannibal like honestly this horror series brought back my fear of something behind the corner. There are terrible people out there who do these sick and vile thing’s but the way the creator acts is just the most upsetting thing I remember going to there Instagram and seeing them talk about there favorite “death” that being the observing Paul death which he acted as if it the act of eating your own b-- and chocking on there throat was funny when in reality that is vile and disgusting. For what I can do I enjoy the series but the creator is not a good person I hope they can improve
as a person with somewhat decently strong anxiety,it had some buildup to when the paintings are revealed (FOR THE FIRST TIME THO) because you dont know how bad it can be. also uhhh i still got a little glimmer of hope for urban spook to realize his mistakes and try to better the series.
A guy got half his eye eaten and and his nose ripped out, and also hit with 7 nuclear bombs, also they were half a second old, the paintings title was nuclear Nolan , (shows picture of dust)
I understand the dislike towards Urban and i kinda understand why he does it. I also agree with the screamer part which was completly unnecessary for the whole series. And when talking about the SA, CP and necroph!l!a and find it disgusting myself, i dont exactly crave more of the exact same content revolving that kind of stuff but rather find it odd the way he does it, feels like if he tried to make a unique section of disgusting things for the sake of well, doing it, and simply ends up backfiring.
10:05 THIS PART ACTUALLY SCARED ME EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT NIGHT I LITTERALY RUNNED AWAY OUT OF FEAR I SWEAR ADDING THAT IN YOUR VIDEO IS A WHOLE NEW PYSCHOPATHIC LEVEL
An example of a horror story that includes CSA as something other than shock value is The Library Policeman by Stephen King. The main character is a survivor of CSA, and the story's villain, an entity that feeds off of fear, uses that past trauma to instill as much fear as possible in the protagonist. In my opinion that's one of the few ways a story can incorporate CSA without it coming across as shock value. UrbanSPOOK is probably one of those edgy horror aficionados who considers King "too tame," though.
Urban had so much potential as the core concept a psychopathic painter kills and draws his victims in their last moments but he sadly derailed crashed and burned the train with f hole cory ..... wich is sad i know there,s good writers who like his art and reach out to remake the story
Unironically I feel like urbanspook made these drawings in his own free time and then was like: "Fuck, these are just collecting dust on my hard drive, I oughta do something with them" and then proceed to make the most one-note youtube horror series of all time.
I love this vid
I ended up getting into CZcams arguments about sa and csa in horror with a couple people who were like wahh wahhh cry about it to CSA SURVIVORS LIKE MYSELF IN THE COMMENTS like that shit was wild to me and I decided to shut it down and calmly explain why pointless shit like that can trigger people. But they doubled down, so I think that it's probably immature children finding urbanspook and thinking it's the pinnacle of horror.
I feel like sa/csa can be in horror as long as it’s treated with the thought and care it deserves, I feel like the kid and the camera is a good example, it’s so fucking scary and didn’t trigger my trauma I was just extremely on edge throughout the whole story, same with the children under the house. Both are good series with similar elements to Urbanspook’s stuff. Guess what? Neither triggered my trauma and neither messed me up for days because the thing was being portrayed.
Horror writers, especially ones who have never met any csa/sa survivors please consult some for how to portray this shit in horror respectfully.
Don’t just add it in for shock, we already know the killer is terrible they’re killing people.
My favorite part in any of ‘the painter' before I stopped watching was the 911 call, (in the episode family) it didn't have sa in it and it was miles better than any other point in the series.
I was much, much younger than Cory when my trauma happened (I was four) and all I can feel is disgust and emptiness for this story and this episode specifically
at this point spook's work feels more and more like a twisted power fantasy rather than a horror series and that makes me worried for him and the people around him.
I feel like part of it is that we never get time to appreciate and grow with the victims, they get so little screentime that you become desensitized quickly. Like everything being 'oOoOoOo look how brutal the killers are and how nobody can catch them' is just really boring. Everyone barely getting close to solving the mystery and then immediately dieing also makes it a bjt frustrating to watch.
(Sorry for the nonsensical rant I just have many thoughts and can’t summarize them all, also spook using autism as an insult just really put me off, it’s essentially just the ‘illiot vs Idiot’ of the R slur at this point. I’m autistic, you are talking about real disabled people :/ granted this is probably a lesser evil to the power fantasy sa stuff)
Surprised we don’t have that “one guy” moment where someone comes in here and delivers the weakest bait imaginable by saying something so abhorrent.
Back on topic, my condolences to you, and I hope you’re doing better now.
Murders are also triggering and a tragedy that destroys families.
Why someone getting chopped to pieces doesn’t get the same treatment
@@AlvinFlang69420 I’m assuming it’s because less people witness a murder, especially a gruesome one and actively engage in horror content where violent murder is extremely common.
I’m a bigger fan of existential and cosmic horror though so I watch a lot of analog horror because that stuff is common in this genre. I’m also not trying to imply that I wasn’t upset by the people dieing, maybe I’m just desensitized from seeing so much murder or violent/painful death in horror. I do actually prefer it if people make it out alive in a piece of horror content though.
But Sa/csa isn’t that common or something I expect in a piece of horror media so if it isn’t handled well it can lead to me spiraling into awful, awful memories.
I do agree with u tho some deaths are very much to far/not plausible for a character based on real killers, like it began to feel supernatural. And by the second vid that’s were I was expecting it to go, but not it just made me remember something awful that happened to me.
Hope this made sense, I mean violent deaths are pretty common in every horror genre so I guess nobody bats an eye. A lot of deaths could probably be written better.
@@Dr.Oofers Eventually they’re gonna come and complain 😔
They’re gonna complain
Just gotta ignore them
@@Dr.Oofers Also thanks! It was 12 or 13 years ago and I’m doing a lot better now! It took me a while to process it tho, and the trauma kinda made my brain go deleting random ass memories from when I was little that I still need to work on getting back (common when people experience traumatic event)
Can’t say the same for the dude who did it tho
He still walks on my road despite not being aloud within 100 feet of my home. Also he’s still really creepy and now preys on elderly people (assuming so he can get their stuff???)
I wish we could’ve gotten more from the police side of things, like a detective who doesn’t just die once they get close to discovering their identity.
Even the part of "the police get too close to the suspect... and died because of it" could be better than nothing. At least the police talking about the idea of one of their own tipping off the killer could be interesting in some way.
@@donaddams8825I think he should also add more video footage,
i mean he introduced it in pigs and fully used it in meat, so i actually want to see more of it.
And i hope it atleast contribute something to his series.
@MJ03H even better. If there's any chance of a stake out with a dashboard camera, then it would at least make it so you can have an idea of where the police might be looking.
This would improve the concept 100%. I was just spitballing the other day and thought it would be a lot better if the narrative was framed as the case files of a detective or an obsessed PI. At this point, it kind of feels like all of the characters are just meat for the grinder 🤣
we can tell you watched death note right before this video
"It's like watching a book" was the funniest line in this video
so the video is not funny at all?
it works well.
Lmfao
it's hilarious bc it describes that series perfectly. just words and images
one of the coldest lines ever written about an analog horror creator tbh
What’s even more disgusting is he’s selling the painting of Cory as a t-shirt. I know he’s been selling that design before the series, but he re-named the shirt “Cory”, making a parallel to the child victim.
@R3TRlS My least favourite kind of merch
Well knowning the you enjoy hating villians, profitting of a fictional characters awful doing is mixed.
As well its a fictional villian character, who marketing around his artwork's meaning, anyone buying it isn't suddenly endorsing his actions.
Neither is the creator of that merch as well yeah the change of the name.
I do agree though due to that painting lacking substance it leads to it just merely being a weird looking image with so bullshit atttached to it.
So intern it just ain't good as a result.
It failsjto tell a story, I wouldn't call it disgusting since well the selling of the artwork isn't endorsing much of aNything in the same way paying for Dark Vader figure.
However it is badly designed due to the series itself failing to deliever.
@@alexcat6685 I believe the names of the kids are also purposefully named after real child r@pe and murder victims though (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong)
From actions outside of his CZcams like his Twitter it’s also clear he doesn’t care about s*xual assault victims like myself (I was four) and veiws it as just another scary thing to put in his series, it would have been equally as scary if it wasn’t sa or involved children. Like the way it was presented felt like ‘also the violent murderer also violently defiled these children just because I thought it would be *shocking* to put in tehe 🤭, don’t get mad that I’m making money off of people buying the art that’s meant to depict a fictional csa victim’ if that makes sense.
Also autistic people (also like myself) are also more likely to get s* assaulted, so it’s gross that he’s essentially used it as a replacement for the r-slur in his Twitter meltdowns. Coupled with the fact that he can’t take criticism, even light criticism, makes him kind-of seem like a hypocrite.
Yes you can have csa in horror but it has to be handled with tact and intent. Think about if it has any overall impact on the story you are telling, if it’s really that necessary. If you’re presenting it as accurate/realistic read accounts of real victims/talk to csa survivors, he’ll ask them for tips on how to handle it in your story I bet it would be a lot better and more praised if you did so because it would improve the overall project. You gotta remember murder victims usually don’t survive and have to live with the abuse they suffered for their whole lives, sa is a completely different type of pain than getting almost killed is. Especially in cases where the victim didn’t get justice (like me, my assaulter barely got charged because he was 12 and I was four. Which to an extent I agree with, but to this day he’s not a better person and he did much worse things to his sister than he did to me. He never went to juvy, or got court mandated counseling, he just got kicked off of the bus we both rode for nine months. He still ignores his restraining order and comes up my road.)
I’m not going into to much detail about what actually Happened because this is a CZcams comment section and I don’t really want to mention what having stuff like that happen for several weeks straight while being pressured not to tell anyone felt like. Hell I can’t even remember a lot of it other than emotions. (your brain can block out memories if they’re extremely traumatic)
In the long term it effected me by making me extremely weary of men I don’t know/do know and know for a fact I’m safe around especially if alone in an enclosed space like a car or room with said person. I had to switch my driving instructor because of it.
I’ve also had to chase the guy off of my road with actual weapons several times, like once I had a hatchet. Extremely stressful to deal with the guy I freeze up a bit, but there are kids on my road and I don’t want him around them considering his track record and he has legitimately no busies or right to be on our road especially near my home considering the actual restraining order.
(Sorry for how little punctuation is here I’m very tired, just wanted to give my experience and context for why I feel the way that I do)
(Btw I’m not arguing with u I’m agreeing and adding onto it and sharing my experience)
The painting is literally named fucktoy cory that’s horrible and disgusting
Corey is named after Corey from Oneyplays, Urban is quite a fan. You can tell if you watch his older videos which have an absurd and dark humor.@@daisypage9394
As an actual child sex abuse victim, I’m disappointed but not surprised. Our stories are consistently used as content for shitty shock horror, for people to go “god, that’s awful! Imagine if that was real!” And then they log off, safe and comfortable. Completely ignoring that this is quite literally our daily reality. But what do I know, I was only raped at nine, I guess that makes me “fucktoy corey” disgusting and exploitative content with zero redeeming qualities. Sick of people defending this shit
Well i think were on two different sides of this, i personally was raped when i was 14. It was a horribly traumatizing time of my life that on multiple occasions almost drove me to suicide. But seeing something like this in fiction doesnt bother me in the slightest. Which of course i can understand the distaste for his content and his actions. But looking at it from a fan perspective i absolutely love The Painter, due to it diving into these real horror topics such as rape and other awful things, which most other content refuses to go.
I hope both of you can find solace in life, god bless you both.
Thank you, you dont realize how much that means @@Devout214 🙏
Go and tell the family of loved ones that deaths in movies are just dumb fun that people can log off, safe and comfortable.
@@AlvinFlang69420 what are you even talking about
Every damn episode is like:john henderson was found after 69 days with 420 wounds in the balls the painting was found and was titled "No Balls John" this is the painting.
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This is the painting
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I laughed way to hard at “no balls John”
"69 days with 420 stab wounds to the balls." Peak writing.😂😂
balls idk lol
I've actually always advocated for his art being fantastic, being an artist myself... though I don't think I made that very clear in my original (now unlisted) not very well put together criticism of his series. This is a much better video than I made, really good job on this one. The takeaway from The Painter should be that the art is good and the writing is bad, and it could have easily been something great.
Hi minaxa
@minaxa you were the first person to really shine a light on this guy, I think it would be really good if you could maybe come out and make another video on the topic of Urbanspook. I really want to hear your thoughts on this recent turn of events, and maybe discuss and readdress points you initially made.
I was wondering if you ever acknowledged that your video was largely attacking his character and not the work itself.
@@TrueAfricanHero They never will.
I actually remember that video. And honestly? I think the criticisms you brought up were incredibly valid and, as the series progresses for UrbanSPOOK, I'm starting to find myself aligning more and more with the points you brought up in that video.
After Pigs and Pastra calling Urban out on Twitter, and Urban's following breakdown, yeah this series is definitely going down the shitter. When you called Pigs a "mental breakdown in video form" I couldn't agree more.
Yeah... I get that criticism can be hard to take at times, but it's sort of the responsibility of the creator to understand that touchier topics are going to be met with touchier opinions. The way he handled Pastra's comment was far from graceful, and honestly kind of ironic considering he could handle the subject matter of his own series better than that.
@@lexyshannon9428 On one hand Pastra's comment was a little harsh and he could've worded it a little better...but on the other hand Urban did *_not_* handle it or reply at all in any better way, and the fact he used "autistic" as a means to insult Pastra is so much more damning on Urban's part.
@@lucasfraczek4320 fully agreed
I love this comment but I’m picturing your profile pic saying it and I’m cackling
@@daisypage9394i just wheezed so hard i started choking helpppp
I’m genuinely so glad people have stopped blindly praising Spook and are now talking about how shit the story is
Remember when we gaslit ourselves in thinking it was one of the scariest things ever? I miss those days.
@@Cubeytheawesome Why should I not be surprised by you hypocrisy? All of you criticize him for making light of serious topics and here you are using Gaslighting as a punchline for a joke.
@@AlvinFlang69420 1. Thats not how you use gaslighting and 2. If Urban is allowed to make whatever he wants, then we are allowed to criticize it.
@@sillycookie you are being hypocritical then
@@AlvinFlang69420 bro is 12
i like how you mentioned pigs as him doubling down on the things ppl were hating him for.
And then in the most recent episode he decided to be extra vile with a cat as another middle finger lmfao
I fully edited this video like a few days before the most recent episode and I already had it finished so I didn't want to go back and add more lol oops bad timing ig
@@pappo447that's fair, cuz yeah new episode is a little short andit has the exact same formula obviously but he now is flexing up and coming animation practice and skill, I think he's completely stopped caring about the writing and people's feelings and hes purely pushing on just to show off his art he likes. like in said animation the fucking painter killer talks and that just ruined any little sense of thematic story telling i had left and any immersion or fear that specific killer gave me
I watch the painter series for the same reason I watched terrifier 2, extreme violence, but some how the painter has a story (so far) that makes less sense than terrifier 2
Don’t forget semen being found in stab wounds… this is the type of nonsense an emo 13 year old would come up with to gain shock laughs from his friends
@@minkstar9021 the screaming and rapid fire imagery of the pigs episode seemed like him having an artistic tantrum like "BE SCARED ALREADY!!" and it felt like a clilax since every episode has the same formst up until then theyw ere getting bigger, scarier, and there was more and more, rhe music was even building up to it getting more intense and nerve wracking, but then after pigs shit goes back to the same boring stuff every episode with little no new substance again lmfao
My favorite part of this series was when UrbanSpook said "it's spookin' time" and brutally murdered all of his critics using the same methods the painters did
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I can't believe more ppl aren't talking about that moment :/
it was truly one of the horrors of all time
Urbanspook just wants to be edgy because he is edgy, he is unable to take criticism and will throw a hissy fit and call people slurs before even considering any sort of criticism. Which he will always ignore and claim that "you can't handle his 'real' horror". It was a shame for so long that so much of the analog horror community held his work with such high regard, its good seeing more and more people come out against it. His art still is good tho (despite it being cliched that its horror solely relies on uncanny valley faces).
Its such a shame too, I'm not against the shock horror trash, It has it's place but like...just admit that's what you are doing. Fred Vogel had no problem admitting that's exactly what the August Underground movies are lmao, he literally sold the special edition copies with barf bags. The ego from urbanspook is incredibly annoying. Also clearly he finds it funny and it's pretty gross. Again shock is one thing but actually finding it funny? Ew.
I'm curious as to why you think he deserves the personal attacks and harassment that you call "criticism."
@@AlvinFlang69420urbanspook does not deserve any harassment. He was also never harassed, getting his series criticized is not harassment, people pointing out how poorly he reacts to said criticism is not harassment.
@@catgirl_warcrimes I take it you have not seen any actual responses. Even this video is insulting his persona rather than his content
I think the reason a lot of people are jumping off now is because... there doesn't seem to be any resolution in sight now. Like, up until what I'm calling the beginning of "Season 2" (Pigs), it seemed like we were building to the killers getting found out... but after Pigs, it seemed like Spook just said "FUCK THAT" and threw that arc away. It seemed the killers were about to get their comeuppance there towards the end, but then there's one painting that seems to hint the survivor towards the end of Season 1 got offed, so now we're just in "Welp, this series is going nowhere now" territory.
urbanspook is the serbian film of analog horror
serbian film is a shame to all of serbia
As awful as urbanspook is.. serbian film is too much, just straight up, i was never the same after watching that. All the shock in Serbian film isnt enough to make it boring.. its just a painful drag that you can barely get through
Happy Meat Farms also spans across multiple channels and websites, which makes it so much more than just an ARG. I wish more people would talk about it, it’s brilliantly put together.
I would have loved to see a series like the painter succeed. I’m a psychology major. I love understanding the human psyche. To have a series that possibly delves into criminal psychology would have been interesting. Instead we got this.
While i agree with you praising happy meat farms, the fact that it spans across multiple websites and channels is what defines it as an ARG
The main issue I have with “the painter” is how it overly focuses on the victims themselves being the horror rather than the killer(s) themselves being the real horror of the story. You’ll notice often even in the most gore infested movies that even though the victims are brutally killed the main horror is still the actual killer doing those acts. They still some-what manage to make you focus on the fact that the real horror here is them.
With the way “the painter” is formatted and written it has a lack of you viewing the killer(s) as the real issue because of how much it focuses on the victims and their deceased bodies in graphic detail. That’s exactly why shit hit the fan with Cory, because it focuses so much on the graphic detail of the victims being the horror. It is completely insensitive when you begin to mingle with extremely serious topics with the way it is written, it makes it look like it’s just that Cory himself is the horror you should be screaming at and not the actual perpetrator(s) and their actions. Yes it’s terrifying, but Cory should not be what’s so scary about it.
UrbanSpook focuses more on shock value than making a good story with good visuals. And that’s not a good thing, especially involving children.
I’ll agree, his Artstyle is great, but it could’ve been directed to a more better story other than “painters kill and torture anyone, even babies.”
"lesson: pedophilia, necrophilia, and beastiality is funny, guys!" - basically urbanslug at this point
@@KUSANAG11ZThis is like a real document on a killer a fictional one. Not every analog horror has to be some an species, monument mythos, alternates, etc this is different, you are just too soft
@@KennaraSaverro-sd2kc yeah, i like it more because it's not supernatural. it's scarier that way because you know it's a human doing it. my point is that the series is literally made to promote urbanslug's artwork, and he's doing such through disgusting things that have most likely happened in different situations. for example, cory. i was s3xually assaulted by my uncle when i was 7 and it isn't very fun to see someone using that kind of trauma cranked up to 11 to promote artwork.
@@KennaraSaverro-sd2kcYou're offended people don't like a bad horror series. Stop being soft.
@@KennaraSaverro-sd2kc The difference is horror series like Monument Mythos have an actual story and worldbuilding behind them along with introducing creepy elements rather than "look at how this person was killed in a very brutal way" for every episode. This doesn't even seem like a documentary on a real killer because the killer just seems like Mengele cranked up to 100, which don't make the murders realistic but really cartoonish and dumb. Before I get called soft, Urbanspook didn't even unnerve me because it's just shock value with no substance, and series like MM and Mandela Catalogue did because their stories are genuinely unnerving.
The main problem I have with the sa, cp, and zoo parts is that it focuses way too much on the details to the point of desensitization for edginess value. It's not out of character for horrible murders/serial killers in real life to not only do some of the same stuff, but exponentially worse than the Painter series. There is just too much focus on how each victim is killed, rather than the horror of the two main killers themselves. The sa, cp, and zoo segments should be a _lot_ more vague. Plus overall the entire story could be a little more vague with all the victims fates in general. What makes the horror sub genre with scary and unrealistic monsters is the less that is explained about them, that way it is left to the reader's/viewer's imagination of how horrifying the monster is. And the human mind is capable of making things seems scarier then they actually are.
True. He just didn't handle the topics well and there's really no substance behind them. It's just there for the sake of it.
It's not the first time he's made distasteful videos about those topics, unfortunately.
Which is why The Silence of the Lambs is so scary. Its always worse in your mind than it actually is.
I have noticed that whenever a horror series crosses a _certain_ line, it stops being unsettling to me and I just feel like that "oh. thats gore :/" meme.
Honestly like half the text descriptions in the videos could be censored and the series would be praised a hell of a lot more
I mean, it still wouldn't be great, and just a bit too edgy, but leaving most of that edginess for the viewer to imagine would benefit the series a lot
I was brutally sexually abused as a kid and could never, never, never fully grasp what happened to this day. I hate so fucking much how Urbanspook used csa for his horror, because csa and that kind of topic has been used in other media but in a much more better way. In my opinion, Lacey's Flash Games described explored csa trauma in the most horrific and sad way. Urbanspooks csa horror is more shocking, with nothing else to add.
Well sad and horrific is also what urban does, its just that lacey does a better job showing the meaning behind those tragedies resulting in you realiting to it, you see it from her perpective and just how bad it really is.
Thats makes it work, as it doesn't silently act like it doesn't exist while being accurate, as the truth i would persume if the best that kind of survivor would want.
Urban didn't really say anything with it, so it was nasty and gross with nothing to it.
I had an idea of having it represent how terrible expections parents can have on kids as the painter refering to his victim as a "crybaby" would be a refernce to himself. As his dreams were treated as Nothing but baby talk.
So he'd project his own thoughs on the poor child by forcing him to "grow up".
That would actually using the horrific juxtipotision of the artist's action with what he thinks, being more horrifying as he becomes more real.
Lacey is horrifying due to that realness, that the world does have some herrodus shit ontop of the good shit.
It's amazing as depecting that.
Skill issue, urbanspook sucks because he is a shit writer, not because of your ptsd.
my eyes deceive me
It's actually more scary that you flashed the pictures in quick succession. Like the fact that we don't have the chance to process it makes it worst
@river.retriswomp womp, jk
10:03 ok that jumpscare was uncalled for
Agree. I Nearly Sh*t My Pants.
I’m pretty sure “James secret face” is based off of Trevor Henderson’s creature bridge worm. My sister thinks it is bridge worm, and spook just stole it off Google and put it in the video. I’m not hundred percent sure but the details in the face are almost identical, down to the eyes,nose, and teeth.
oh shit you right
I think UrbanSpook should try doing what Alex Kister did when he remade Mandela Catalogue Vol.1 and just remake the first five episode, I know it might take a while but if he really try's to improve the writing, visual, and limits the amount of shock horror used in it then The Painter would be able to one of better Analog Horror series in the genre.
I think he should just show his paintings to Alex Kister or Martin Walls or someone like that and let them write the story based on the pics.
@@sunnyquinn3888 Honestly yeah if Urban can get someone who knows how to write a good analog horror it could work out pretty well.
I also feel the need to mention that one painting ("Breeding Mount Mae") is just an edited version of a commission someone payed for (as seen on his Instagram). Bit strange
Imma pray to God that wasn't their oc bc I'd be so mad if it was my oc used for sumn like the painter like no that's mine stop that
The small touches you added to this video actually made the story and art better, I'm not kidding. Narrating the slides, and that footage of a corkboard showing the paintings and photos are actually really nice touches
Urbanspook feels like they're either a 13 year old or never grew out of being a 13 year old. the one thing that really cemented that for me was learning the cory was named after spazkid from newgrounds.
oh god damn it, i was hoping that was just a coincidence
Shock horror is like icing on a cake, when done right it can heighten a good horror story, but if that’s all there is, it’s not going to be good
i've always had this sort of philosophy when constructing perhaps any story really, trying to metaphor tropes and whatnot to food like what you just described with icing on a cake... for example:
blood and gore is the sauce for your horror pizza. a common element that can be skipped if desired but is common for a reason, best used to complement and enhance the other flavors utilized since it can suffocate everything else if you use the whole bottle or if you just serve the sauce on a plate by itself and call it a dish,
I think it is legitimately disappointing that series like Greylock have a fraction of the attention of Urbanspook when the prior has far more effort put into it with custom visuals, superb voice acting, and occasional found footage sequences that are visually phenomenal.
greylock is goated
And it has an interesting story. It gives you more than the scary imagery, it give you the pieces of an untold story to put together
“Get his ass out of the writers room, do not let him cook” made me burst out laughing 😂
I had created a page dedicated to counting the deaths on the List of Deaths wiki, when the series had recently came out.
I had actually found the series kind of enjoyable, and thought the series would become better when it got more attention.
That was until the 3rd video came out, and I became more adament to continue working on the page.
But I thought it was a one off thing, it was supposed to be shocking, so I continued.
Until the 6th came out, and I didn't want to go back to that page to edit it.
I came back 2 days later to find someone else had edited it.
I dont plan on returning to article, not even the guy who edited it hasnt even came in to do the newer videos.
Just wanted to share this.
This video straight up does a better job of presenting the paintings as terrifying just by the way you incorporate music and build up
"Pigs" followed by the display of each of the paintings from the video was the best scare to come out of Urbanspook
Honestly with the recent rise of this series going into the shitter I’m glad I have found someone else who shares the same opinion on urbanspook’s art and the general way he handled the story.
He handled it with such an immature and general dog crap light that it dosent really make the story feel good, there’s nothing to hold the story up other than- Shock value that’s overrated, overused, and just there to get a trigger out of you
Hell, his entire series follows behind this phrase:
" Roses are red, cacti are prickly, holy hell this escalated quickly. "
Also, 10:03, thanks for making my ears EXPLODE with the sheer volume that video has.
Good god-
IM YOUR 2,900SUBSCRIBER
@@Starrystickmen who me???? /hj
@@PSYSH0CKERthanks for the volume warning.
No shit its a fictional documentary, you thinks its a monster or something
Ngl, the Painter sometimes feels like a crappy fetish-y gore thing than anything else
basically urban spook: her arms were cut off, her legs were cut off-
i freely admit i was convinced Urban Spook was going somewhere interesting with all this for far longer then most...... but when the latest video left me with nothing but ".....well that felt like every vid so far." i finally got what everyone else meant. it's like rewatching a single random deathtrap from Saw. over and over and over and-
I feel like sex-related horror CAN be done right. I mean, the Outlast series, stated to be one of the scariest horror game series ever, is FULL of it. One of the main villains of the whistleblower dlc is literally a r*pist trying to mutilate your genitalia. If you can do it right it can be terrifying, if done wrong it just feels like it's done by a twelve year old wannabe edgelord. It's difficult to find that balance between doing it so that it actually causes fear but too much to the point of being offensive in order to just shock the audience and doing it so little that it just feels out of place and random, but it's possible. It draws from a fear that every person has: a loss of control over your own body.
I wanted to come back to this because like a week or two ago I played a game called "my eyes deceive", which is a great example of making a good horror game relating to sex, even relating to p*dophilia. SPOILERS: In the game, you are in a post apocalyptic future where you're a young girl who has to stay in her basement because the world is filled with monsters and some kind of highly infectious virus. In order to stave off the infection, your father makes you take pills every day, which happen to make you tired. He also brings you food every day and tells stories of what's going on outside. After he disappears for a few days, you get to decide whether or not you take the pills, and if you choose not to, you end up not being sleepy and it is revealed that the pills were actually sleeping meds, and your father wasn't actually trying to protect you, he was making you take them so he can... Ahem... "Please himself with your body" while you're asleep. The police take him away and you wonder what's going on so you go upstairs and see the sun for the first time, as well as the entire planet, which wasn't actually an apocalypse at all. He lied about everything. It's a disturbing, scary, and tense game, full of strange but creepy nightmare sequences every night, and the twist at the end knocks you off your feet immediately. Yet it is a great game, because the execution was done amazingly. As a victim of r*pe, I found it relatable and especially terrifying. It's a game that explores the perspective of a grooming victim, and does it well enough that it feels like it's spreading awareness rather than just using it for shock value. It even feels kinda personal in a way, as if the creator is pulling some of it out of personal experience. Pretending to sleep while hearing your father unbuckle his belt and talking about "getting to it" before he has to run upstairs to talk to the was a terrifying experience, a tense scene that even when it's over, and you're safe, still leaves you quiet, like someone punched you in the stomach so hard it took the air out of your body. It'll always hold a special place in my heart, it's a game that can only be experienced once, but perfectly encapsulates what it's like being preyed on as a child. It's short, and simple, and lacks a lot of the things most other horror games have, like gore and monsters and chase scenes and whatnot, but the fear comes from the cold reality that it isn't just a story, it's a personification of a real threat many children face everyday.
Eddie Gluskin is honestly a fantastic character nobody in a video game has ever made me feel that freaked out before. He’s literally the best example.
@@kitsunemusicisfirethat game is so well done it’s incredible
@@kitsunemusicisfire cant believe that a roblox game managed all of that. piggy has nothing on my eyes decieve
@@chocomelo454 to be fair, it's a Roblox remake of an indie game made in Unity.
I found a way to enjoy this series more. all you have to do is:
-don't think of it as horror (because it isn't)
-watch it with friends (so you don't go to sleep)
-and finally turn off your brain (you aren't going to need it anyways for this series)
also side note, yeah, I'd too be lying if I said the art isn't actually good, it reminds me of those old creepy pastas that were basically centered around one image like smiling dog
UrbanSpook is an expert at making disturbing art but not an expert at storytelling.
true!!!
it's a lot better when you see it as just the creator's art gallery, showcasing the creepy paintings and adding some flavor text to them-
You know, seeing the amount of CSA in the Painter and the extremely disturbing nature of his earlier, more juvenile works, it sometimes makes me wonder if Spook themselves were a victim of some kind. It's not fair to speculate on that, but with what I've been shown I can't help but wonder.
Another absolutely fantastic video man, beautiful closing statement.
I can't stress enough about how the art clearly shows soo much talent, and I think that's ultimately what drives me so nuts with the series.
There's clearly raw talent being displayed with the art, and even the sound at points, but everything else is so contrived, and just boring.
I've seen a lot of people bring up the art was made long before the series, and it shows. The whole thing feels rushed around this art, rather thing using that talent to also build a clean, entertaining, and cohesive project.
The newest entry's ending seems to be pointing towards fixing some of this, but it's still in an episode that feels like the other slop that's been pushed out. It's really hard to say what'll happen in the future, if he'll keep doubling down to further alienate himself from the scene, or if he's genuinely taking a step back, and reevaluating it all.
Just sucks seeing someone with arguably a natural talent to create convincing horror pieces, squander it all away devaluing his series after every upload, because people on twitter weren't nice to him.
This is easily the only urbanspook critique that’s actually fair since it tries to see the good in urbanspook
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT THE MANS POTENTIAL
In his latest video, there's this scene of the two killers being viewed on a security camera. They're depicted in the form of animated paintings against an otherwise fairly realistic looking background. Its such a unique visual style I haven't seen before, and it makes me even MORE dissapointed by how terrible the seires is and how great it could have been.
oh, so this is why I see people mention Dormitabis when they talk about err what was it again? Churban Shook? yawn
@The_painter_killerthe painter WHAT now
Atleast dormitabis was fun and enjoyable despite the edgy ass story
@@brothabrotha7138 Creator sucks ass though, I don't like him. Thank god for that remake that was made by actually good people.
I like Urbanspook, i wanna give it a chance of creating a bigger story since it has a lot of potential
I respect your opinion even though I disagree.
I feel like the creator certainly has talent when it comes to painting, but either doesn't have the talent for writing or doesn't put in the effort required to show their talent.
I do feel that the series DOES have potential, but I'm still uncertain if the creator can or will tap into that potential, given their previous behavior.
The story seems to have already hit its climax, it’s all downhill from here
@@thevoicesaregettinglouder16 if that's true, its means urbanspook is a dissapointment.
@@emilygordbort7300Maybe if he starts making genric jumpscares and gives a boyfriend to the painter so you can have your chibi shipping art will be more your liking.
@@AlvinFlang69420 No, not really. Adding in jumpscares without altering the content around it to increase tension would just make it annoying.
Adding a boyfriend to the painter would certainly be something approaching characterization but it'd be easier and more effective to just make the painter themselves an actual character instead of a plot device.
(Yes, I am aware you're being sarcastic because you think it's funny or something. I just find my own amusement in taking these kinds of comments dead serious.)
I actually like Faces a lot and think the rest of the series never really lives up to it. It sets out to give you a police log with weird droning anxiety music, bouncing you between crime scenes & paintings, giving you a view of "reality" then one of whatever unhinged shit the killers thought up, then it eventually just leaves you with a ton of paintings offering no explanations. When it was supposed to be a one-off I think it worked well, but later videos took steam out of it by revealing the fates of the victims in really unsatisfying ways
That being said I am still following this series because it has some good components. The audio's great (I even think PIGS' audio conceptually works, but the episode has problems you mentioned) and all the tiny details/clues scattered in frames in the videos remind me of ARGs from the early 2010s, so I'm engaged, but I wish he let go of this need to put the most extreme content in possible when it rarely adds anything just so he can upset twitter people who don't even watch the series. I think it's at the point where it's become more goofy at points, like I just can't take the Mae Ford painting seriously lmfao
the day people stop saying "the whole point is to be disturbing" in defense of badly written, badly executed, and simply disrespectful "horror" like this will be the day i rest
At this point someone should probably check Urban Spook's hardrives.
By his latest content, you're absolutely right. Urbanspook could have been amazing. But due to him writing things in just to give shock value and completely ruin the horror, and how he can't take criticism just...ruins the video. There's a difference between writing things in, that would make sense, and give it a more eery feeling. But what he does is just "Oh, this guy jacked off in the wounds." Just completely ruins it, it doesnt give shock value, it doesnt give more horror. It's just unnecessary and ruins the feeling.
And the dead cat was just fucking unnecessary
You act like serial killers wouldn't do shit like this.
@@harryvass9018 No they would, but like I said theres a DIFFERENCE Between adding these things, that would make sense and move the story forward, and just adding that just for shock value.
@@skylarcrylar8686Absolutely
Also bestiality got performed on a cat. Idk if it was one of the Painters themselves or if they forced the victim to do it with the cat but either way the shit adds nothing to the story other than “boooo taboo subject aaaaah”
Something that gets me about this series is the needless sexually themed gore and the large amount of violence towards children.
I watched Wendigoon react to some of these and he said something along the lines of "if the story can, not, use it then don't use it". Also something along the lines of "the writing needs to earn the privilege to use obscene themes or visuals" Etc.
I think a good example comes from Vita Carnis ( highly recommend if you haven't seen it, *SPOILER ALERT* ), the series is about "meat creatures" near the beginning you learn about a creature called "the harvester" which is a large bulb shaped mass that has a large network of tendrils spreading out from it underground for several hundred ft.
These tendrils are lined with spikes, on one side they inject a nerve agent that paralyzes you, on the other an anti coagulant. If you step over one of these they spring out of the ground like a bear trap from hell, bite down, and thrash violently.
This act paralyzes you and stops the blood from clotting so all the wounds opened by the thrashing won't stop bleeding.
After you die a second set of smaller tendrils rise up to "drink" the blood then wrap around your corpse and drag it underground to "eat" everything else leaving the bones behind.
A pretty fucked up way to die, but also really cool in concept.
Anyways this is told to us near the beginning and is payed off much later when we "see" (more so hear) it happen to a child.
What you see on screen is a sort of wax doll facsimile of the child underground melting into a skeleton while the blood chilling screams of the child explode through your speakers.
You're hearing the beginning of the process while seeing the end of the process and it's so fucking visceral.
The same thing later happens to the mother who comes running towards the screams.
This is an example of the writing earning the right to do something like this.
They set it up early, pay it off later, and don't rub it in too hard or grossly explain it in needless detail. Though I'm sure Vita Carnis also gets a pass for just being well made in general etc.
Wendigoon's reaction stream:
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Vita Carnis Playlist:
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I think the vita carnis scene you're referring to is a good example of why "if you can not, then don't" doesn't work and just seems more like an empty criticism. The entire scene could absolutely have been told without involving a child, and it absolutely could have been told without a 2 minute long visceral child screaming sound. It was a good scene obviously, but I don't see how it's a good example of what you're trying to describe - you could have told the same story with just adults, or no humans at all and used an animal instead. It could definitely have been told without the realistic agonising scream sounds.
Point is, "if you can not, then don't" is just an empty criticism. You realise that if you take it seriously you have to cut out most scenes in horror.
imo this is the best critique i've seen on the painter, because honestly, spook had so much potential to make it a great series, but it all fell flat so quickly
Cory's whole thing made me tear up and especially the fact that he was called fvckt0y cory in the painting makes my skin crawl, everything in this series makes me feel sick to my stomach, i find the paintings cool? (They look good but the names are not good). Sexual assault and sexual violence (both child and adult) shouldnt be used as a way to shock the viewer. when people who've actually dealt with this haven't survived it, I'm someone who is a survivor of it, i couldnt watch this fully even with someone reacting to it due to the sexual assault and child murder. I felt like my heart dropped while i watched this (hell even you explaining it i felt sick to my stomach), i feel like this wouldve been better without the whole child sexual assault thing (sorry for the rant and your explanation is good and i was able to watch this fully when you were talking about it)
This series started out okay I think, going for something quite "real". Like I've heard a lot of people who praise it say that it creeps them out because its a serial killer story, not some sort of supernatural or cosmic horror like lots of other analog series. However even this positive factor is gone now, with shit like people being killed via giant piles of wax? It's really jumped the shark and something that was already very edgy has now just become straight up gore porn like I'm watching a fucking MK fatality compilation 😆
Good vid btw!!
Even then, the series has never been realistic with such a high kill count and somehow infinite means of torture and sadism. It just doesn’t make any sense. Calling this more realistic than Mandela Catalogue is just stupid imo. (not saying ur stupid)
@@alext399 there are killers with killcounts this high and I'm pretty sure it's meant to be two working together, i get what you're saying though, urban spook is trying too hard now and it's just boring.
@@crumpetcommandos779 Yeah but these killers are killing high ranking officers and people apart of the investigation, plus it’s in a state - town and they’re using the wildest methods to kill said 30 people lol. Irl killers with body counts that high usually just deceived people, not Michael Myers level self insert anime characters that can’t be stopped.
@@crumpetcommandos779 i agree with you though, i don’t know if my comment came off rude but that wasn’t my intention 😅
@@alext399 oh haha maybe I misread part of it 😆
Ok but is no one talking about the thumbnail art?? It's so good‼️
I wrote a comment on a video about the game Dormitabis, it was something along the lines of "if you can't write touchy subjects in a sensitive, careful way, don't write them" that goes for "The Painter" as well
The Man in the Pipes painting is downright funny lmao.
When I look at it all I see is a red will smith in a pipe.
He looks like he's asking if you have any games on your phone.
He looks like a fuckin pencil to me
I kinda like the goofy ones alot. Like I really enjoy the teeth ones. Honestly, if this series went for goofy ass deaths, it'd probably be better.
Finally someone who criticize’s urbanspook THE RIGHT WAY and also talking what is good about it
Honestly I agree that Urban Spook should do more then just white text on a screen becuase it is decent but it could be even better. However, personally I like the over the top shock horror. For me it's hard to get scared with big scary monsters or grisley stuff happening on screen, but when you add sa or cp into the mix it's a whole new level of horrific. It probably says alot that it takes the most disgusting acts done in the most grisly of ways to bother me, but I think that's the length horror needs to go for me to be disturbed, becuase that's about as evil as you could possibly be, to the point that if it didn't bother me would be inhuman. All around though good video. I really only thought postively about Urban spook's videos untill I watched this and it's good to see another opinion. Lastely I just wanna say my top three favorite videos of his are pigs as my most favorite, family as my second, and in the walls as my third. Have a goodnight.
that jumpscare when you started talking about pigs got me I hope you and your family have a nice christmas full of love and gifts
Minute and a half in and I just wanna say that I love your presentation. The animated bits add a lot of life to the vid.
I'll be honest, I _like_ shock horror, but I don't really like the way Urbanspok handles it. Sure, shock horror for the mere sake of, well, shocking the viewer does exist, it doesn't always have anything to add to the story, and while I'm not really a fan of that, I don't really mind, but my problem is: there is literally nothing that could prepare you to witness it in The Painter. The videos always begin with a warning like "The following video may be disturbing" and all that jazz, it wouldn't take more than one extra textbox to specify that "This video may contain CSA/Animal violence/Sexual crimes", and this wouldn't even break the immersion since all the videos already have a warning. Honestly, the only thing I like about the series itself is art and how it evolves. For an example, the latest episode, "MEAT" had an actual animated bit. "FAMILY" had voice acting. The quality increases, with the phone call in Family being genuinely terrifying and the animation in Meat being unnerving enough to keep you on edge (at least in my opinion). The writing of the series isn't good, and some points are just absurd (487 stab wounds? Really?), so I gotta agree that Urbanspook isn't a good writer. And he doesn't know how to take criticism either. So really, I only like the art, and this is the only reason I am still interested in the series and how it'll go forward. I can just hope though that Urban will learn to take criticism and improve his writing, because I do believe he has potential.
Had a hard time focusing on the ending of this video cuz of that jumpscare Jesus Christ
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The quality and editing mechanics of this video are super inspiring.
I’m gonna totally steal that lol.
if you have a computer and a knack for piracy the world is your canvas
Video so good it inspired me to finally make that art I always wanted to make ! You're one of my favorite new youtubers for sure
For Terrifier 2, I’d just be safe with saying something is “a borderline snuff film”. As you said, its very gorey and shocking for the sake of it, but a snuff film depicts a real murder. Terrifier 1 and 2 clearly show off deaths that are all fake and made with practical effects, if it was borderline snuff it’d show something more real but just lacked a real death. From what I know everyone behind the movies, especially one of the girls who got a brutal death, had a fun time filming it despite what happens to her character
He wasn't trying to claim it was an actual snuff film. He was just noting how the gore is so highlighted and realistic that it can feel like a snuff film at points.
@@kaigrote8630 i understand he wasn’t actually, but some people can just easily mistake stuff when you say “borderline snuff”. Looking at it like that yeah I could see the term working, I mean something like Cannibal Holocaust could be considered borderline snuff. Who knows maybe the creators of Terrifier 2 would be proud to hear it get called “borderline snuff”
@@baconandx1858cuz it uses actually killing animals right
@@chocomelo454 If you’re talking about the opossum, I highly doubt it’s a real one. First thing is its already dead when we see it so we don’t see it moving around before it gets killed on screen like in Cannibal Holocaust or Friday the 13th. Secondly, even though this is a very gorey movie I’m certain they just faked it like with the rest of the kills. If they had actually brought in a real possum corpse into a school and had actors playing with its real insides I don’t think that’d fly or go under the radar.
The way my interest in the series dropped immediately when Cory's age was revealed
It's all fictional chill
@advancedjtardation51 fictional or not, it still feels bad
The Cory character is based on Cory from Oneyplays. The same Cory who defended Shadman creating art of Keemstar's daughter and Eddsworld (after his passing) getting SA'd. I'd say the portrayal is well deserved.
@@advancedjtardation51well, yeah... but if we're being honest similar horrible things have actually happened to children irl, and understandably not everyone is willing to stomach that kind of thing to begin with regardless of whether or not it's fiction. If you can handle it, that's fine. I just wouldn't go around telling everyone who can't to "chill".
If handled correctly, that revelation of that painting being identified as cory couldve been really impactful and actually horrifying, like even if he felt that sa *HAD* to be in the story and is integral to his "painting" for lack of a better term, of the character of the painter killer, he couldve done it more tastefully and have it relate to something instead of it being there to be there, like maybe they delve into fleshing out the police and detectives, and making one of them be a family member or a family friend, and have his shock reaction being a further motivation for him to find this killer, or his emotion causing turmoil in the police force, like story writing can be hard, i get that, but what i think could help that is having a centralized character to help convey his story, because the only real character(that isnt dead) is the painter, and his total character is murder, painting, and pedophilia, so basically no character at all, why should i care about this story if theres nobody apart of the story aside from people who have already died, i really love horror, and these pictures have actually disturbed me in a way i havent been since i was a kid watching horror like this, so it disappoints me to not see it succeed, like the faces of the family were probably the worst, in a good/scary way, itd be 10× as effective if it had good context and substance to it, itd be considered one of the great horror series online.
why the actual fUUUUUUUUUU do you have so little subs and your editing, animations, drawings, and voice overs and everything are literally just the best thing ever, its literally amazing and spot on, its so freaking good lol.
Honestly if this was a movie Id watch, ditch the CP elements, those are EXTREME, but having a movie based on THIS series in particular would be pretty sick
Sure its a quiet series, nothing to add, but it does capture my attention SOMEHOW compared to Mandela Catalog for example and compared to his early episodes its gotten better with the addition of voice acting and the cctv cameras!!
The designs are great, the paintings are great, the concept is great but it can be better with the right sources and assistance!!
Thats just me tho
I've lost all care for his series after his latest video, where he had a painting of a cat with the name "Pocket (kitty)" and it's obvious what that means. For no reason he just puts that in the video for no reason other than for pure shock and disgust.
he’s doing it just to be a prick atp. it’s such a waste of a intriguing concept, it’s honestly disappointing
Urbanspooks feels like something made by someone who exclusively saw the mandela catalogue video of alters
Urban spook has talent. I’ll admit that, but boy he does now know how to make something actually scary
I just like watching the paintings
and what the murder does.
I like the fact urbanspook is starting to experiment with the Morse code in the audio saying bullets don’t work, the 911 call and the most recent security cam footage, but some of the other stuff like Cory and the cat and horse are to crazy
Honestly Im suprised to see how high quality this video is. I watched this series when it first started. I had high hopes for this series but once the whole
Peter the horse is here incident
The series made me start to doubt the series.
Warning 10:03-10:13 contains loud noise, if you are wearing headphones or dont like loud noises, skip this section
Jimmy looks like the shocked meme
Hi pappo I love the content hope your work gets more popular
Bones did it, the killer would pose the flayed bodies of his victims into poses from statues and renaissance paintings.
All I really want is for UrbanSpook to handle more serious topics with a little more class, as well as take valid criticism. He can do whatever he pleases with his own series, but the way he goes about it gives me a very gross feeling. CSA can be talked about, but as a survivor myself, the way he talks about it and treats it just feels so incredibly insensitive.
Not the screamer scaring the living daylights out of me 😭✋
I think the worst thing about UrbanSpook is that it's not scary.
It relies so much on the creepy imagery and disturbing content because there is NOTHING else. No characters to latch onto, no ongoing narrative.
Every video is just "We found more bodies. Here's the fucked up shit the killers did and the painting we found. Oh and also the officer who was investigating died."
The Mandela Catalogue HAD a story, it had characters, it actually felt like I was delving into a mystery via various VHS tapes.
UrbanSpook is like watching an edgy mid 2000s PowerPoint video, the only thing that's missing is Linkin Park.
I'm okay with SA/CSA occurring in media, the problem that so many UrbanSpook bootlickers just cannot understand is that it should fucking MEAN something. If it's just done to shock people, then it's immensely disrespectful and just really gross.
Yeah same im ok with sa being in media if its done properly
Even 2010's creepypasta amvs were scarier than this lmaoo
I love this, because it’s something that makes sense to me and something that I love
This video reminds me of a story of a mod developer who reacted about the same way as Urbanspook, who had opened a suggestions tab on their most popular mod's page, and almost immediately upon receiving direct criticism for their mod's many, many flaws, rather than working to fix them, instead responded negatively, saying it was horrible to have such hatred of their mod presented to them, and when confronted about it, they basically had a meltdown.
As someone who enjoys horror for the horror I’m extremely conflicted with the series as I really enjoy from a stand point of true crime terror as a lot of what he does can seem like something that could happen, minus the wax scene a lot of stuff in here is what truly evil people do from John Wayne to Ted Bundy to the Milwaukee Cannibal like honestly this horror series brought back my fear of something behind the corner. There are terrible people out there who do these sick and vile thing’s but the way the creator acts is just the most upsetting thing I remember going to there Instagram and seeing them talk about there favorite “death” that being the observing Paul death which he acted as if it the act of eating your own b-- and chocking on there throat was funny when in reality that is vile and disgusting. For what I can do I enjoy the series but the creator is not a good person I hope they can improve
as a person with somewhat decently strong anxiety,it had some buildup to when the paintings are revealed (FOR THE FIRST TIME THO) because you dont know how bad it can be.
also uhhh i still got a little glimmer of hope for urban spook to realize his mistakes and try to better the series.
Side note the animations of the gloved hand scratches my brain in the best way
A guy got half his eye eaten and and his nose ripped out, and also hit with 7 nuclear bombs, also they were half a second old, the paintings title was nuclear Nolan , (shows picture of dust)
urbanspook's "pigs" video is literally just "look haha dead animal haha very spoooopy look at this dead pig head lolol!!"
I understand the dislike towards Urban and i kinda understand why he does it.
I also agree with the screamer part which was completly unnecessary for the whole series. And when talking about the SA, CP and necroph!l!a and find it disgusting myself, i dont exactly crave more of the exact same content revolving that kind of stuff but rather find it odd the way he does it, feels like if he tried to make a unique section of disgusting things for the sake of well, doing it, and simply ends up backfiring.
Yeah Cory and most of the deaths in pigs were a bit too much.
I feel like you reading it out made it scarier.
10:05 THIS PART ACTUALLY SCARED ME EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT NIGHT I LITTERALY RUNNED AWAY OUT OF FEAR I SWEAR ADDING THAT IN YOUR VIDEO IS A WHOLE NEW PYSCHOPATHIC LEVEL
Lol
you Genuis!@@pappo447
An example of a horror story that includes CSA as something other than shock value is The Library Policeman by Stephen King. The main character is a survivor of CSA, and the story's villain, an entity that feeds off of fear, uses that past trauma to instill as much fear as possible in the protagonist. In my opinion that's one of the few ways a story can incorporate CSA without it coming across as shock value. UrbanSPOOK is probably one of those edgy horror aficionados who considers King "too tame," though.
Your character reminds me of Parappa The Rapper
The compaeisons to Seven and Terrifier 2 are PERFECT!!
The vid is great and I really like the animation of the hand it's so cool.
It actually did succeed in disturbing people so I don't know what you're on about.
Urban had so much potential as the core concept a psychopathic painter kills and draws his victims in their last moments but he sadly derailed crashed and burned the train with f hole cory ..... wich is sad i know there,s good writers who like his art and reach out to remake the story
i havent heard anyone mention YIIK for months so seeing michael why two kay appear on the screen gave me whiplash
Just wait for YIIK I.V i got something planned
Unironically I feel like urbanspook made these drawings in his own free time and then was like: "Fuck, these are just collecting dust on my hard drive, I oughta do something with them" and then proceed to make the most one-note youtube horror series of all time.