Will MK become a Villain? [Monkie Kid season 5 theory]
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So, will MK turn evil? Become a villain? What do you think?
00:00 | Intro
01:20 | Macaque's Shadow Powers
02:28 | The Python Demon
04:07 | Red Monkeys
06:09 | Macaque’s Face Marking
09:05 | Party Clone
12:17 | Macaque Infected MK?
14:14 | MK REALLY is possessed
16:30 | Parallels with Macaque
18:05 | Aftermath
20:15 | Outro
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I think he felt that he was relatively useless, I mean Peng called him the most corwdly of the bunch, maybe that's the reason why he wanted to become more powerful by making the deal.
That's so true! He's definitely always been second to Sun Wukong, literally in his shadow 👀
For some reason i love that tyope of the main character who is pure of heart gets possessed by some evil sprit that controls them and their companions have to some how get them to snap out of it. Some would just shake their heads like nothing happened but im sure there would be some sort of aftermath such as collapsing passing out for a few minutes and having some sort of scar afterwards
I also love that kind of main character arc jaja
ive only seen that concept for the protagonist once (murder drones - uzi gets possessed my cyn and 100% in ep 7) and i srs need more of it and it would be cool to have it in LMK
@@Mystic.Silhouettemd fandom exists🙏🙏🙏
The trailer probaly confirmed that
But everything was red instead of yellow which is cyn's main color
Ink MK is personification of MK's doubts and fears, maybe one of MK's fears is being like Macaque and that's why it has a face marking similar to Macaque's in few moments.
That's definitely very possible - I quite like that idea! But Ink MK is also part of the Scroll of Memory - so perhaps he has access to parts of MK's mind/memories that MK himself doesn't know about 👀
It's a shame he was such a short-lived character though 😔
@@RVSketch you are right, I wish he had more screen time.
@@RVSketch(7 months late Oopsies)
Actually 🤓☝️(jk)
After I looked at that scene again, I noticed that, when mk was with the ink curse, it’s face was either supposed to represent him and/or wukong. But the SECOND wukong comes to save mk the face markings change to macaque! So I definitely think it was either: accessing his memories OR trying to use his weak points (AKA macaque being a sensitive topic)
@RVSketch maybe not his memories but the past history? It's a scroll of memory, it knows everything from the past and present but not the future till it happens
@@KittyMakk hmmm good observations
Ok so Mk being called Harbinger of chaos actually explains a lot like Mk doesn’t cause some of the chaos that happens but he’s still there so in a way he does cause it but he’s the sigh of chaos so even though he doesn’t necessarily cause chaos he still like brings it in a way maybe it’s Ink Mk telling him his thoughts on how there’s always chaos where he’s at so he thinks he is the cause because he brings it/sigh of it
Hey! I also just realised that at the end of the season 4 special yellowtusk says “ it took me so long to see what true heroes look like” and then it showed a shot of the squad (except for macaque because he identifies as a warrior, so yeah) but did you notice that MK was the only person NOT there? Instead, he was sitting a bit away, looking out into the horizon. (Now I know MK was in the same area as everyone, but he didn’t appear in the shot which is quite suspicious.) like this could very well be indicating that something will happen with MK and maybe he might…. Not be a hero in the future……
Oh I didn't notice that! That's really interesting, and could certainly be foreshadowing 👀
@@RVSketch There is actually so much (potential) foreshadowing in season 4, like if MK really does “snap” and become kinda evil I am very sure he will (most likely accidentally) hurt someone who close to him….. and I really think it’s gonna be Mei. Like I mean we already know MK and monkey king are very similar that’s no secret, but have you noticed that there is a lot more similarities between Mei and macaque appearing? ESPECIALLY in this season 4, example: Them both face palming and saying “ugh. This guy” I mean they said the EXACT SAME LINE! That can’t be a coincidence especially with (past) macaque talking about power, when monkey king was trapped under the mountain. And earlier in season 4 Mei was talking to ao le about power, when he was being held captive AKA trapped… see what I’m saying here?
@@orlastarburst so mei is gonna temporarily die too
@@OthandoSimamane-ss1xp Im pretty sure MK is gonna lose his left eye, and maybe mei will get hurt too
If Mk becomes a villain in season 5 that would be an interesting take. Mk suffers a lot from being a hero to his origin, it would surely mess him up somehow. Not just that all the villains we have seen have used him, manipulate him and even hurt him. Mk is probably going through a traumatic experience and it gets worse and worse. I swear I'm going to predict this but I feel like there will be a point in which Mk WILL SNAP I SWEAR HE WILL SNAP AND IT ALL ABOUT TO GO DOWN, BOI! The snapping will go down in history!
But this is an interesting great theory your research is like so good. Perfect even. Can't wait for season 5555555!!
Thank you! And yeah, I can't wait for season 5 either!
i think one important thing to note about the timeline, is that Macaque appears to have red face markings even in the past when he and Wukong were friends. This indicates that if your theory is correct, his deal with the python would have occurred before they became enemies. I love this theory so much, another great video!
Thanks for pointing that out! Timeline wise, because of my theory that Macaque was a hair clone of Sun Wukong, I'm thinking he made the deal with the Python Demon early on, which changed his appearance (which is why he no longer looks like Sun Wukong, even though I think he's a clone), and then he and Sun Wukong became friends (or maybe they were friends before, but not as close because Sun Wukong just saw him as one of his clones).
And then, maybe later, the Python Demon had a hand in them fighting each other and perhaps influenced Macaque to do whatever caused Sun Wukong to kill him. In the book, the Six Eared Macaque tries to steal Sun Wukong's life, but idk if that's what the writers will go for in Monkie Kid 😅
Reviewing the series that I'm interested in, I really like the detail in the 4S10S. During the self-passage with Macaque, in the game after MK killed the demon and got a "bad ending", the MK sprite glitched and became more sinister with a purple color. Also during the menu/screen, the monkey in the image of MK has a bandage. Maybe it's just done purely as a virtual reality in the game in the likeness of a character. But, it is unclear whether they intimidate with this or just confuse the audience on purpose.
The producers confirmed that Wukong didn't know anything about mk's stone birth, but I don't believe it, because if you remember Wukong was there and watching mk when mk was remembering his stone birth, I think his memory might have been wiped or his memories changed
Yeah, but according to the producer, that scene where Sun Wukong was watching MK and his stone birth was actually Sun Wukong in the Scroll, watching a memory. So, Sun Wukong found the memory of MK's stone and watched it in the Scroll - he wasn't there when it actually happened, apparently.
But I agree that that does not make a lot of sense and definitely wasn't communicated well!
So the producers confirmed something, and you choose to ignore it
Im hoping they use this in season 5 because it would make it darker. It just sounds so interesting and probably would mean we’d be getting more backstory
That clip though where the ink curse said ‘you can’t escape me’ it sounds like ‘you can escape me’ I know that’s not what it says but it’s kinda funny
Well, they did indeed escape the Ink Curse 😅
Yep
Despite the fact that I watch your vilo through Russian subtitles. I really really like the way you articulate the idea well. I knew I wasn't the only one who noticed the MK clones and Party MK. Just like the play "play of shadows". And I hope that the theory of MK with an eye will not be confirmed, or at least get away with one scar. And then, too bonal for the main character, or many lose something by becoming like a disabled person.
Thanks! And I hope the Russian subtitles were okay! I manually add English subtitles, and I think Google then translates those. Anyway, hopefully we get some answers in season 5! 👀
In the fifth anniversary set there’s a character in a suit. This character doesn’t have legs and has a snake like headpiece on the backside of her head. She is the only character that is prominently shown for this set other than Wukong on the lego website. I think she might be the python demon in season 5.
Alas, it has been revealed that that character is actually Nüwa (a creation Goddess who has a snake body in mythology).
What’s interesting is that you said that the python demon was related to azure in some way like wiping some of his memories but I also think that the python demon might be influencing azure into doing what it wants azure to do. Another thing To back this up is that when mk was in his monkey form fighting with azure he says this line “you tried to turn me against my mentor!” which you said the python demon was trying/will try to do. And I know it’s more likely azure was just doing this because he thought it would be easier to win if mk wasn’t trying to even HELP wukong, and azures hatred to wukong. But know that I’m writing this I’m just thinking that maybe Azure’s hatred to monkey king is EXACTLY what the python demon would use to manipulate azure into doing what it want’s. And when azure was directly asked about what happend to him he can’t remember,maybe because the python demon didn’t want azure to spill the beans on what’s been going on. AND AGAIN AS IM RE-READING THIS I just realised that macaque tried to do the EXACT same thing. Turn mk against wukong…. And actually succeeded. In the episode you can clearly see mk is resenting wukong and straight up telling him he’s been slowing him down. And again it’s probably just wukong and macaque’s juicy drama coming in there but again EXACTLY what the python demon would want mk turning against monkey king and as stated in the video macaque is most definitely under the influence of the python demon like you explained the whole video, and it’s funny how macaque and azure are both monkey kings (ex) sworn brothers, so maybe it wanted them to convince mk wukong is bad because they were a big part of his past so it might make more sense why THEIR claims of wukong might be more important. But I don’t think they have any idea that this is happening because 1. Memory wipe 2. Why would you tell them? If they might lose they might give away too much that they know. So yeah that’s it don’t know why it’s so long sorry 😭
his clones are also a bit insane in a way😭🙏
They really are lol
When lady bone demon gave macaque some of her power The power also was Growing like macaque's Face marking But a bit quicker Hopefully this was helpful ^^
Oh I'll have to go back and look at that! Thanks!
Remember when Wukong asked Azure why he wasn’t in the underworld after putting him there himself, but when Macaque showed up he never asked him how he’s alive despite him “having a taste of dying”? Like he knew/assumed he was fine? I don’t think he knew he was dead recently. I bet someone else pretended to be Wukong, manipulated/killed Macaque in order to turn him against Wukong, just like how Azure was manipulated into killing the Jade Emperor.
I think that's very possible!
I thinck that
Umm, I'm late, but hi!
Joined the LMK fandom a few months back and all I can say is WOW I have NEVER became so obsessed with a single fandom before my gosh!! So, thank youuu for making these youtube videos - aside from tumblr, they're the only place I can find good quality LMK theories and sustain me during this hiatus lolll.
Ok, so firstly, the research you put into these is just *chef's kiss*! I don't know if you grew up with JTTW or something, but the amount of research into legends is frankly a dedication I could never attain. Honestly, at the first grasps of a theory I would stop and feel proud of myself for a week, and at best I'd make a five minute video so this is absolutely awesome lol. Also those minifigures are SUCH concrete evidence that I'm just wondering if you're incorrect how the creators are going to explain that away because that evidence is COMPELLING fr.
Secondly, here are my own thoughts/theorizing!
In regards to your video, I personally disagree on some things (not in an argumentative way lol just for discussion purposes XD). Like, I don't think MK will be possessed. After all, Macaque has always seemed to be of sound mind, and even MK during the battle when he went full Mad Monkey Mode was of reasonable sound mind, referencing many past events (Uncy Lion, pretending to be my friend, etc.). He didn't really seem possessed, rather more like someone who has been bottling things up for too long and is having a breakdown ;-;
I also think the chances of Party Clone meeting the python are very low, because that would be hard to work into the plot, and what? in the few hours at the arcade, he made a deal with a mystical OP python? Instead, I think it's more likely that (a), MK made way too many clones (he was half bald XD) and forgot/doubted he'd made that many due to his (probable) ADHD and overall stupidity /lh, or (b) Party Clone made clones of himself, and in both cases the reason they have the sinister face markings is just foreshadowing for Monkey MK in season 4. And, the marks are grey, just cos of design choices to make them look evil but not like macaque LOL.
Also, in regards to your Macaque powers thoughts, I do think it is likely rather that he got his powers from the python. Another interesting theory I've seen floating around, btw, that kind of supports your theory, is that Macaque was 'killed' by his own shadow powers, as he appears in the flashbacks to be imprisoned by his own shadows. This could foreshadow that they're not really HIS shadows, and that they're evil or something? Idk how to phrase this lol but you get the idea. Of course, it also could be Macaque being sucked into the scroll or something, but that's a whole other rabbit hole and I'm not a theorist lol so I'm moving on.
My final thoughts that directly stem from your video is that I'm not sure about the colour or Wukong's face marking's changing actually happened. After all, before he gets possessed, you can clearly see his face marking looks purple in the lighting, with the bottom part of it which is not in the eerie blue lighting remaining the same colour. This could just be some extreme lighting I think but ehh idk really. You can go look back at that episode and see what you think.
Now: my own personal ideas - mostly my own additions and interpretations to theories I've seen on tumblr lol. Shout-out to @i-am-a-fan on tumblr for the basis for the teal!MK theory! Here is their post if you want to check it out! ;)
www.tumblr.com/i-am-a-fan/724968232397717504/so-remember-in-the-episode-the-first-ring-from
Basically - and I want SO BAD to be able to post photos here, but oh well - I think MK is something else entirely.
When LBD is trying to get in MK's head back in season 2 episode 5, MK is seen as a white outline. Meanwhile, Macaque when seen in a similar situation with LBD is pictured with purple outline - his signature colour, and LBD with a light blue - her signature colour. But MK - white. A blank slate.
Yet, I'm also a big fan of the idea that MK actually has the signature colour of teal/slight dark blue idk. I can't explain this very well without images, so PLS click on the tumblr link for context or otherwise everything I say after this won't make sense ;-;
Are you back? Ok, hi! Anyway, to pack on that theory, throughout season 3 and other seasons too I think, Wukong and MK can be seen wearing five colours, mainly - Red, Black, White, Teal-ish and Orange. Red and Black represent Macaque, Orange and Red represent Wukong, and Teal and White are colours that keep on appearing on MK's design.
One big thing I noticed was that when he was changing jackets in Season 3 Episode 2 and when his jacket fell off/burned in season 3 episode 10, he was wearing a white shirt beneath, and BENEATH that, a teal jumper with a white stripe. Which is kinda odd, I guess, each to their own I suppose, but also - those multiple layers hiding the teal (and white) beneath feels very purposeful and symbolic!
While I kinda doubt that MK will get the samadhi fire in the future, it *would* explain how he was able to survive the samadhi fire in season 3 episode 10! Or, it wouldn't - quite - but it does plug right into my second subsection of this theory! And that is:
MK was built to absorb magic!
This is why, the longer he hangs around Wukong, the more he gains his powers, and why he got the shadow weapons after hanging out with Macaque. To be frank, I wouldn't be surprised if his Kaiju form was also something he'd absorbed from his mentors. That's why he masters Wukong's powers so quickly, when the Monks take millenia and Wukong, I reckon, took a decade at least to reach the level MK's at right now. Because he's not really learning them, more absorbing them. It's what he was built to do.
But why?
Well, the Jade Emperor was already getting old. He even admitted it himself. Quite frankly, he had probably been needing a successor for the last century or two to take his place. Things were already bad, but then the whole mess happened in season 4, and the jade emperor's power is going to need a vessel.
Nezha said it himself, that seal might not really last long. The power needs to be absorbed by someone - so why not someone built for the job?
Someone made to absorb magic, no matter how powerful.
How about MK?
This could also explain why he can talk to the Trigram Furnace. Also, btw, the entire Jade palace is filled with teal highlights (fine, more like Jade as in the *Jade* Emperor, but STILL let me have this XD)
So, uhh yeah! Those are some of my ideas (and some borrowed from various people on tumblr XD)!
I may come back and edit this comment or reply if I get any more ideas/things to fix.
Thanks for reading this absurdly long comment and byee! Have a good day/night!
:)
Edit: I'm not sure I was too obvious or if I rambled too much, but anyway what I was getting at with the teal/white MK thing was that MK is his own person, who is more than Monkey King/Macaque/anyone's powers. He's his own OP monkey in his own right!
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy my videos! And no, I actually didn’t grow up with Journey to the West - I actually got interested in it because of Monkie Kid.
And Macaque being killed because of his own shadow powers is a pretty interesting concept - I could definitely see that having happened (that scene in Shadow Play wasily could be implying that).
Anyway, that theory about the Samadhi Fire is quite interesting 👀 That scene where the flames are orange, blue/teal, and green is weird, as it is an odd choice for those colours to be used - I like the theory that blue/teal is MK and green is Mei, but an alternate idea could be that Red Son had two siblings who are blue/teal and green themed respectively - unlikely, but it would be cool for Red Son to have siblings 😅. And I never really noticed MK’s association with teal! That is a great observation!
And your theory that MK absorbs powers is really cool! I feel like, since he was made from Sun Wukong’s stone, maybe he is more naturally inclined to absorb Sun Wukong’s powers? Also, in season 1, Macaque said “Thank you for giving me all of Monkey King's power” - but he stole MK’s power - so why didn’t he say “Thank you for giving me all of YOUR power”? Unless MK absorbed Sun Wukong’s power, so when Macaque stole MK’s power he was really just taking Sun Wukong’s power second-hand, and that is why he said what he did.
Then MK being made to be the next Jade Emperor is an awesome idea! And it does make sense, as, like you said, the Jade Emperor was going to die soon anyway. If you are right about this, then, personally, I hope MK will end up refusing the role of Jade Emperor because he wants to take his own path, and isn’t going to conform to the role he was made for.
And I, and many others, had thought MK just had the power to talk to his reflection, but your idea that MK was actually talking to the furnace makes a lot of sense! As MK has never displayed this ‘power’ anywhere else, and, as far as I’m aware, Sun Wukong did not have the power to talk to his reflection in the book, so it would be a weird choice to randomly add that power in Monkie Kid.
I do want to say that, in the clone episode, Mei said to Party Clone that the party had been "going on for 15 hours". So, it wasn’t just a few hours that Party Clone was left alone, and I think 15 hours is plenty of time for Party Clone to encounter the Python Demon lol.
But yeah, I guess I can’t put it past MK actually forgetting making that many clones 😅
Also, I do agree that Macaque has always seemed to be of sound mind (or at least in control of his mind), but so has Azure. Azure seemed in control of himself and his mind, and yet the season 4 special basically confirmed someone had messed with his mind and given him the Scroll, and possibly instructed him, which he wasn’t aware of.
@@RVSketch The Azure Lion being of sound mind thing is a really good point actually! I guess there *could* be possession ahead for MK/Macaque.
About the MK being the Jade Emperor thing, I think he would refuse it - at least initially - after all, there's the whole protagonist deciding the power is too great trope that is *extremely common* and seems to be a personality trait all MCs have. However, if MK doesn't want the Jade Emperor's power and the vessel Nezha is storing it in won't last long, what can they do with the literal universe-destroying magic?
I guess they could always do something in a later season where they go on a quest to find an artifact to store the power, however, or some kind of mystic 'sending the power out to the entire world' moment, but idk.
OMG. The MK talking to his reflection theory is something I've never come across before, and I find that weirdly hilarious - like, no, it's not Mk having a special connection with the furnace, he's actually just talking to himself like a crazy person. Or.. not crazy, I guess, if another mystic monkey power is that your reflection becomes a sentient being - which wouldn't be too weird, honestly, considering how his clones seem to be at least somewhat sentient as well.
The party clone's party going on for 15 hours is definitely something noteworthy that I forgot. :O I guess that technically is enough time, but I feel like the only thing the Python would be able to bestow would be shadow powers, and Party Clone isn't seen using any of those. Plus, I'm not sure if the python would waste their time bestowing power on just a simple clone that's life goal is to party LOL. However, I def can't rule out anything with all the turns this silly monkie show is going through lately. :')
Thanks for replying! :D
I have a theory that the monkey version is a different person who escaped from the scroll and now hes in mks body
I agree with a lot of your points, but I think some of the design choices for the MK clones and Ink MK were more just for the audience's sake. If the grey markings were removed, it could have confused the audience as to where was the real MK, as the transition shots were sudden and short. As for Ink MK, he doesn't have eyebrows, which as any animator would know, makes showing his emotions very difficult, hence why the marking gets angular; it's to make up for the lack of eyebrows. You can see this a lot with Monkey King and Macaque too, their markings stretch to exaggerate their expressions.
I see your point! However, with the MK clones, they already distinguished them from the original MK by making their skin darker and giving them red eyes - the spiky grey face markings are a bit out of left field! Especially since they're spiky 👀 And yeah, the Ink MK face marking could've been due to his lack of eyebrows (especially the second scene I showed - but I'm still very suspicious of that first one).
I also thought about the thing with "showing emotions with little to no eyebronws". I also do that with atleast one of my characters too.
I don't think that mk and wukong's relationship will deteriorate, on the contrary, if you noticed that they are getting better every season, normally wukong would always protect mk, but in the 4th season special, mk protected wukong from the blue. Also, when Wukong retreated to the scroll and Azure said he wouldn't release Wukong again, mk went crazy and cried when he couldn't save Wukong, I don't think he would have reacted to Wukong if the same thing happened to another friend.
True! But I think MK is doubting Sun Wukong a little bit - maybe not enough for their relationship to break down, IF he's in his right state of mind. But if he's being corrupted by a demon...
@@RVSketch sorry i misspelled the ending, corrected it
@@RVSketch you're right, there is a possibility that mk maybe corrupted by the demon but I hope that doesn't happen....
@@laviella4294but if it did would Wukong be 😞 or 😡
@@Claireforfoxesgood question actully 🤔
What an another excellent theory of your. I personally like the concept Macaque make deal with devil entity to get shadow power and with his backstory be more explored in next season can introduce we with a completely new villian, a villian could corrupt our hero, tbh MK really give us a vibe that he will be corrupted in someway sooner or later. What I thinking now is the MK's corrupted arc will happen right before Big villian mastermind arc, corrupted hero is something very thrilling and riveting but will be absolutely amzing if we can see how much growth up he is after his tragedy and at that point of time we ready to let him confront this big villian who control everything all the time. In season 4 special we see MK use the lesson Macaque taugh him to taugh SKW (about if keep doing, thing can go worst but if doing nothing, thing will definitely go worst), I very appreciate that so I will very excited if MK follow Macaque's footsteps again, lost his trust on SWK, Python Demon take chance to deceive him make deal, be controlled by that power some part and make very bad thing, but at the end see wrong in his decision, the relationship between characters become more strength and he have a lesson. Except MK with that power seem will more powerful than Macaque, even SWK, led him to be harmful with others. It's would be a wonderful promising arc for the main character. I truly hope your theory become true because this would so cool. I don't know, I don't like the idea Macaque is originally SWK's clone because it's can make the relationship between SWK and Macaque fell very weird, even the clone have own personality, the couple still feel odd for people who ship them. I don't say this theory implausible, it's just something I don't want to happen. Although, party clones appear very soon in the show, right episode 2 and join every season so you could maybe right about the clones will have a big role in the show. Sorry about my horrible English and thank for give us such quality video ❤️
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed my video! Hopefully we get Macaque's backstory soon! 👀
It depends on a writers whether if its going to be canon or not.
However, the entire show of MK's journey and doubts have show the signs of MK being a bad guy. Just like Marcy Wu from Amphibia, and Hunter from The Owl House
Yes but they all became bad guys at some point because they were being possessed or manipulated
I think its rather simple. The ink demon which is a reflection of MK already said MK is going to cause chaos and destruction because thats simply all he is. I dont think its him being possessed but rather him giving into his real nature.
Maybe 👀
Pls make a vid about how Red son's potential was wasted in season 3
Well it certainly was wasted! Although I understand that the writers can only fit so much in - I wish the episodes were longer!
Unfortunately, I can't really make a video about Red Son's wasted potential in S3.
The thing is, I just have too many other theory videos I need to make - I've got Ninjago theory videos I need to get out before Dragons Rising S1 Part 2, and I don't know how I'll get ALL my Monkie Kid theory videos out before season 5 😅
@@RVSketch ive kinda just been floating around the lego monkie kid fandom waiting for season 5. But most of the fandom is kinda weird thats why i kinda just watch your videos they are amazing keep up the good work😊
@@Theworldizloz Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy my videos! And yeah, I've seen some weird stuff in this fandom too. Anyway, hopefully season 5 comes soon!
i believe nawa made mk to combat an evil i have to theories to why he is cracked/missing a piece 1.i think she took the missing piece because she didint know mk had been successful 2.because she was attacked and she hid the missing piece in fear because she thought the evil had captured mk but you dont have to beleive this theory its just for fun
I have a theory LBD tries to become goog (like in the book) but she realises that to save the world she has to make it a new
I don't know how to feel about this
Well my theory may or may not come true! We'll have to wait and see 😅
Always up for a good possession arc, so I hope this theory might be right!
We'll have to wait and see!
At the end of the day they're just pawns of a bigger game....
S4 just confirmed it further
And, just like Journey to the West, this might get the source material right and accurate to the book.
I love how much thought you put into your theories! This is making me so excited for season 5!
Thank you! I'm definitely quite excited for season 5!
@@RVSketchis season 5 the final season?
@@robiandrei5821 I hope not! I feel like they can't possibly fit everything left into one more season + a special. Nothing has been confirmed though.
@@RVSketchtheory: what if at the end of the show mk becomes a monkey forever because the more he usess the more it's harder for him to turn back in to his human for so he makes the hard choice
@@robiandrei5821 That would make sense! Especially since it seems he was designed to be a monkey and is not actually supposed to be human!
Damn and then Redson will definitely be having a hero arc 😭
By the way there's something off about redson's design, he doesn't look like any of his parents and l wonder why he wear these tiny glasses since he was a baby as I don't see the benefits of it as it doesn't cover much or maybe any of his eyes and it seems to be always stuck to his face.
Hmmm... Well, his mother has wind powers, so maybe she comes from a family of people with Elemental Powers? And yeah, Red Son's glasses are ridiculously tiny 😅
Sorry I didn’t get notified that you uploaded I’m currently watching it and I like it
Another thing I noticed while watching this video was that in some shots macaque’s/mk’s shadow weapons have a small bit of red glow it really really small but it’s there. I’m not sure if this was just for shading or something else but it could be the python demon’s power showing possibly because macaque is teaching/corrupting mk with the shadow powers which he got from the python demon. BUT HEY THATS JUST A THEORY A LEGO THEORY!
also I’m talking about the red here 12:40
Oh yeah! I didn't notice that! I definitely think you could be onto something there 👀
@@RVSketch HOLY MACARONI! I was checking my facts a lot on this but, I noticed that when you said macaque’s red markings were supposed to get bigger…they actually did! I looked back on the first episode we see macaque and then the season 4 special you know the longest periods between each other and his face markings have changed! I took pictures for proof if you want me too I can post it on my channel community just so you can see. But the markings have gotten a tiny bit bigger and more spikier/edgier I looked multiple times just to be sure and season 4 macaque red markings are way more python like that season 1 where his markings were smoother. Again this is probably just them changing it a bit BUT MAYBE THATS THE REASON THEY CHANGED IT! Because this goes DIRECTLY to what you said would happen. What do you think of this? 👀
@@orlastarburst OH that's really cool!
@@RVSketch thank you. Actually after watching this video and having a look back and finding/hearing more evidence to support the python demon theory I think we are REALLY on to something! But alas the biggest question,the biggest mystery,the biggest wonder……HOW IS MK’S RED BANDANNA STILL IN ONE PIECE?! DUDE LITERALLY HAS FACED SO MANY MONSTERS HES FALLEN FROM SUPER HIGH DISTANCES, HE LITERALLY WENT THROUGH THE SAMADHI FIRE THAT BURNED HIS SKIN HIS CLOTHES AND JUST DESTROYED HIS JACKET BUT HIS BANDANA IS STILL HERE?!?! I.NEED.ANSWERS!!!
I find one thing curious for macaques shadow powers, in the battle for heaven with the brotherhood he has his staff! But think, why doesn’t macaque use his big ol war form ? You know the shadow monster thing, it seems pretty powerful not to use. But in the flashback to wukong under the mountain he can use his shadow teleportation. So he must have made some sort of deal after the battle and before that mountain scene.
I was thinking he made the deal quite a long time ago actually. Since my other theory is that he is/was a hair clone of Sun Wukong, but his appearance changed when he got his shadow powers/made a deal with the Python Demon.
Something that's also important to note is that Macaque is much weaker than Sun Wukong! In season 1, the only reason he was equal in power to Sun Wukong when they were fighting was because he had stolen MK's power. And in season 3 he had Lady Bone Demon's power when he was chasing and fighting the gang.
It's possible that his Shadow Monster takes a lot of energy to create, when he's not borrowing someone else's power, and so wasn't powerful enough to be worth using in the fight against Heaven.
But then again, he very well could've used his Shadow Monster in the fight against heaven, but we just didn't see it. After all, we only got shown a brief few scenes from the fight against heaven - 99% of it we haven't seen. We don't even know how he and the others escaped, considering they were surrounded - I'm assuming they escaped considering there's no mention of anyone but Sun Wukong getting any form of punishment.
But I think it's likely Macaque shadow-portalled himself and the others away (as he, Azure, Peng, and Yellowtusk were all surrounded together). Which might explain why Sun Wukong was so aggressive towards Macaque when he was imprisoned under the mountain - they both fought against heaven, but only Sun Wukong was punished, as Macaque just ran away. But obviously Sun Wukong was too far away for Macaque to shadow-portal him.
He was far away but I think he was also mad that none of them came back for him or tried to help him escape
I don't think MK is possessed but maybe a giant snake demon might be the next villain of Lego Monkie Kid MK should use a redesign
The party clone and the python demon seems like a strech. He was att the porty the entier time. And when he spawns again he doesn't oppose mk
Yeah, maybe it is a stretch lol. However, Mei did say "this party's been going on for 15 hours" - so we don't know what exactly Party Clone was doing in those fifteen hours 👀
@@RVSketch yeah but how would he find the python demon?
@@RVSketch and he doesn't opose mk after. Wait BUT MABEY PORTY MK WAS A FAULTY CLONE
And we know that the clones problaby don't have mk's memories like for example drawing mk wouldn't tie up Sandy cuz mk has a close bond with his friends. And party mk wouldn't try to kill mei. They only do there designatet purpose. But all of the clones listend to mk exept porty mk. So mabey there is something deeper going on
@@RVSketch and the macaque hair clone theory could mean he was a faulty clone to. MABEY A PARRALELLE WITH PORTY MK. But then how could macaque and sun wukong be bff's?
* sorry ive kinda been blowing up about this it's just your theories are so cool!*
The only thing I'm questioning is the ' deal with the demon' part.Since I'm not sure demons in chinese mythology works the same as western ones.Take Japanese 'Yōkai' for example,some translated it to 'demons' but that's not what they are.They're more like cryptids.
Might be far-fetched since it's not in the same language family,but my language also doesn't label the 'demons' in JTTW as 'demons',but a specific kind of shape-shifting creatures familiar in our country.Just a consideration on how different cultures define magical,otherworldly creatures.
Yeah that's true - and I know that the proper word for the 'demons' in Journey to the West is yaoguai.
But, in Monkie Kid, the Mayor got his powers from Lady Bone Demon, and we saw she also gave some of her powers to Macaque in season 3. So, in Monkie Kid, there is precedent for demons/yaoguai giving powers to others in exchange for service.
@@RVSketch It's kinda weird I missed that part in Macaque's story honestly,maybe because I see it more of as an alliance/straight up slavery...and somehow my brain doesn't think it's similar to traditional Western demon deals,and just throw it outta the window 😅
And woah! 'Yaoguai' huh?
This just makes me more interested in how much China influenced its neighbors.Thanks for the new insight,now I know what to search for!
Im my theory wukong is trying make him a villain but wukong don't know that wukong is turning him to a villain but MK has ADHD so if MK keeps turning like this he maybe lose control and destroy the world
Oh no 😭
hmm interesting, why do you think that? I'm curious.
@@aprilpearson6923 i think that because when he turn in his demon monkie he wasn't his self he was mad and in pain so i think thats why he going turn twisted
Giving a character a disorder is like giving a character a different gender/ sexuliity, but cis even though they are not canon to be said gender/ sexuliity
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I don't think that Macaque meant literally when he told MK that he is a weapon.
Idk, I feel like he might’ve in a way. But I didn't mean that, if MK was made to be a weapon, Macaque knew about that - I meant it could be foreshadowing for the viewers by the writers 👀
Actually have a little small theory on why Mk was able to use shadow powers or whatever, my theory is that he has a unknown ability of able to steal powers as we see him clearly using shadow abilities like macaque, and then s3 we see when he was trying to get his gold vision back, we see him with blue eyes for a split second most likely influencing the lbd and speaking of her, I question why she hasn’t possess Mk but still request macaque to take him despite having no powers because she took them and I still think how Mk managed to withstand the samidi (I totally spelled that wrong) fire that’s another theory I have, and it has to do with his invincibility, so swk said that there’s no turning back, but in the episode where they got the skeleton key and he put it near his ear and we see this who is scene of Mk with 6 arms and whatever, I think he might’ve unlocked his invincibility again or maybe it’s unlocked some powers that was sealed off but who knows I’m still waiting for s5 crossing all my fingers, we finally get to know Mk’s past, I also kind of think that wasn’t really Mk when he was going all savage on Azure because of how different he acted from how we usually see him and a reminder that Mk was the one who gave Azure the scroll
I like the idea that MK unlocked his invincibility with the Skeleton Key!
@@RVSketch also, do you know the 2 spiritual monkeys, I haven’t been in the show? The 4 spiritual primates swk, macaque, gibbon, and baboon/mandrill (still can’t tell whether if they’re supposed to be a baboon or a mandrill because those are 2 different monkeys)
@@Jing_Xiao yeah, I've heard of them! It would be cool if they showed up, although I don't think many adaptations bring them up, and they only have one line each in the book!
@@RVSketch well they added the LBD so I think maybe…
@@Jing_Xiao yeah, but I believe LBD is pretty popular! Many adaptations have her - even Kung Fu Panda!
Well that’s just a theory..a film theory 🙃👍
Another thing i have in mind is: what if the snake demon took macaque's eye as part of the payment? But maybe it just so hppened to come when he dies because in the season special, he had his shadow powers in wukong's memories.
And another theory i found on tumblr is:
Peng killed macaque and framed sun wukong for it! It was on tumblr i don't remember who made it but i really liked it!
But! What if **that** python is the reason instead of peng, that to make macaque long for more power when he becomes vengeful, so he'll have to pay more, as in the consequences?
Oh, I love the idea that the Python Demon took Macaque's eye as payment! And I mean, even though it seems to be that Sun Wukong killed Macaque, it's not clear what exactly happened, and it could be that Sun Wukong killing Macaque did not blind him in one eye, and that it was really the Python Demon!
And interesting idea that it was the Python Demon who killed Macaque, not Sun Wukong! I really hope the writers do actually give a proper explanation for how Macaque died!
didnt he say that there is nothing mindless about him in the s4 special
Yeah he did. Sorry, I'm not sure what you're implying here 😅. Could you clarify? :)
This theory may be actually be true from what the new trailer is showing 😮
to be fair "harbinger of chaos" might just be a manifestation MKs inability to distinguish between stuff he could have been expected to predict and stop and things impossible for him to control like the spider queen and lady bone demon cuz ink mk is literally just the scroll and is by design supposed to torture those inside it. so from MKs perspective he is a "harbinger of chaos" simply by picking up the staff which led to literally everything the the seres bar asure lion stuff
True 👀
Awesome video and theory. Btw any news about whats next? Season 5 or a special and when is it going to release? Because I am so hyped I cant wait!
Thanks! And not really any news on Season 5. Only thing is that a fan (jokingly) said that the season 5 plot is MK going to therapy, and David Breen (Story Editor and Co-Producer on Monkie Kid) replied saying "I mean... it probably SHOULD be. But...".
So that does basically unofficially confirm that season 5 is a thing. And I guess we know MK may not be getting a break - or therapy 😅
twitter.com/Davidbreen89/status/1684167508134359041?t=VGFkPNz7Yw6v4GYvbpQ4eg&s=19
Really intresting cant wait for season 5.......
No MK Will NEVER Becoming Evil, What I Believe MK Will Become A True Hero With A Pure ❤ & Be True To Himself
Ok, well maybe the Python Demon will _try_ to turn him evil and he will resist and break free :O
15:08 - I don't think that these clouds on the suit have anything to do with python because on the lego figure these clouds are golden
Maybe, but the symbols on the other characters' suits are golden in the sets too. Could be that they had to make symbols gold in the sets because minifigures have certain guidelines.
Who knows its just a theory a sketch theory
Season 5 could a backstory about macaque
I hope so! It's about time!
I had a theory to instead of mk being related to wukong hes related to macaque, in one of the episodes he ask macaque how to not turn into a demon monkey thing. The first thing that came to my mind was that wukong is a stone mobkey right? And macaque is like a demon monkey (idk) BUT mk did come from the remainings of wukongs stone. But i think since wukong made macaque and also mk they could be the same species of monkey then wukong. (I LOVE YOUR VIDS YOU VOICE IS SO SPFT AND AMAZING!!!)
Thank you! And, to be fair, Sun Wukong is technically a demon as well! In Monkie Kid, demons are called demons, but the more accurate word is yaoguai, and Sun Wukong was indeed a yaoguai/demon in the book! In fact, he used to be a Demon Warlord! He even said in the book that he used to eat human flesh, but there's debate about whether or not he was telling the truth there 😅
Also, Sun Wukong is actually a macaque! More specifically, he's likely a Rhesus Macaque in Journey to the West, and his design in Monkie Kid is clearly supposed to be one.
journeytothewestresearch.com/2017/05/17/sun-wukong-and-the-rhesus-macaque/
Ur best Sketch
I'm glad you think so! :)
😮wow good theory
Thank you! 🥰
Was MK’s giant projection like his version of Wukong’s 6 armed/3 headed demon mode and macaque’s smoke monster?
All the descriptions used for the python demon’s presence affecting the world are all powers we’ve seen macaque use so that’s a point for u.
I always thought macaque just had normal Wukong powers until he was “reborn” and they turned shadow but that doesn’t make to much sense cause he had the staff in the flash backs.
As an artist some of the points based on designs might be a stretch, like ink MK’s sharper markings might just be him emoting. You can see on Wukong that his markings follow his eyebrows but since ink Mk doesn’t have eyebrows it just looks like they become sharp.
Also just because the Mk clones were glowing doesn’t mean they can’t have the “evil eye shadow” as an artistic choice. Another thing is that all the red smoke imagery in promo material for s3 could just be the Samadhi fire because the fire in the show is a weird red colored swirl instead of flame and macaque was after it in s3 (also his s3 minifigure markings looked like they were on fire) so maybe that arc was replaced by bone corruption arc because we do see lbd’s powers affecting macaques normal powers (mainly the mech having a bone side).
I do like the minifigures for the shadow clones being more like smoke clones because you are right in the show they are just shadow versions of macaque. Tho that does give me another question which is that I don’t remember if clones could make more clones in jttw so we may need to check that-.
Side note I thought shadow Mk turned into Wukong so that macaque could show him he was making the same mistakes as Wukong. And that leads into what turned macaque against Wukong, I think there is a simpler answer which is that we see them already “breaking up” when Wukong’s trapped under the mountain. He even says “I don’t wanna see your face here again” and the next time they meet, he doesn’t see his face he sees his own (cut to the rest of the story from jttw)
Just to make sure u mean harbinger as in the ‘g’ is pronounced the same as the ‘g’ in ginger right? Unless it’s another word idk about.
One other thing we may need to consider is something I’m sure you are doing which is thinking about Lego set release dates (and leaks) vs show release dates just so we can have a teeter dies of their train of thought around those times.
Amazing video as always though and I love the discussions you’re bringing up, keep it up! And just in case (cause idk) but if u don’t understand the Chinese dub and want to find evidence in that I can try to help cause I watch both.
Thanks! And yeah, MK's monster form did look an awful lot like Macaque's smoke monster. They could definitely be the same power.
Also, about the face markings on the clones - if it was just a shadow, why was it spiky? 👀 And that artistic choice hasn't been used anywhere else.
I do like the idea that the red coloured swirls on the shadow monkey figures could be linked to the Samahdi Fire and that Macaque was going to possessed by the Samahdi Fire or something. BUT, then why would he have red swirls/clouds on his cloak in season 2? That's before the Samahdi Fire was introduced.
And yeah, I'm not sure if clones in Journey to the West could make clones of themselves. But, clones in Journey to the West didn't develop their own personalities and turn evil either, but they did in Monkie Kid. So, it seems to me that the writers are expanding the hair clone lore.
And yeah, I did mean harbinger - I just pronounced it wrong 😅
Also, I only really use the English version for my theories - and fortunately the show is actually made in English first, so the English version is the original and not a dub. My main issue is that I like to watch it in English, so I wait to watch it in English even if the Chinese dub is out.
@@RVSketch just clicked on the twitters art and it looks amazing.
About the cloak I always thought it was a weird fit for macaque but then again there’s no minifigure of it so idk what to think.
And the artistic eye shadow has been done plenty of times on characters who are frowning, smirking or generally ominous. The spikiness of it could just be for a scrunched up face because not all of their markings are the same.
If u look at Wukong in the s4 special when he’s mad at macaque under the mountain his eye shadow has sharp streaks but you can clearly see his monkey markings are still there.
But my main thing is that those dark patches don’t end in a point at the nose like macaque’s always do
I absolutely cant wait for season 5.. there is so many theories that need to be answered. I just wish i knew the month that it will probably come out
Unfortunately, for some reason, we pretty much never get release dates for Monkie Kid! 😭
I can't wait for season 5
Me neither! Although I hope it doesn't come too soon - only because I've got some more theory videos I want to make!
3:21 I think it's not because they are essentially different than the one in the book, in season 3 it's seen as lady bone demon and sun wukong already met, it's like the villains from journey to the west come back, but clearly with different intentions and etc that can may explain abt the difference of them, anyway, good video ^^
Thanks! :)
Can we also talk about the plot holes in lmk when it comes too jttw I may be reaching here but imagine the same "villain" who got azure out of diyu the ones we saw at the end of the s4 special the traitor idk if they officially are a part of the 10 kings of diyu but this person has caused a memory block in someway with azure so maybe that could be the reason why some things dont make sense when in lmk they talk about jttw stuff maybe even the fact that Mk forgot about swk life story has to do with it remember mk documented swk whole life and he just forgot
I may just be reaching here but ive been thinking about it for a while lol
Im pretty sure the traitor at the end of the special is the one who got azure out but who knows why its not really confirmed yet so
I think you might be onto something! Although, tbf, at least some of the plot holes in regards to JTTW are just creative choices. Like how Red Son/Boy got reformed in JTTW, but in LMK he's introduced as a villain. Most of the villains in JTTW either got killed or reformed, so they had to make some changes unless they wanted to make up new villains 😅
But the biggest thing I think might actually be explained by someone messing with memories is the whole Sworn Brothers thing. Sun Wukong is one of Seven Sages/Sworn Brothers in JTTW, but in LMK he's one of six!
And, the Six Eared Macaque, Azure Lion, The Golden Winged Peng, and Yellow Tusk are not Sun Wukong's sworn brothers in the book.
These are his actual sworn brothers in the book: Demon Bull King, Peng Demon King, Lion Camel King, Macaque King, Marmoset King, and Flood Dragon King.
You'll notice three of those have similar names to the Six Eared Macaque, Azure Lion, and the Golden Winged Peng. But in the book, they are separate characters.
But there's a scene in one of the Brotherhood flashbacks where there is an extra chair between them - making seven chairs like the Seven Sworn Brothers in the book! What if, in LMK, Sun Wukong's Sworn Brothers WERE the same as in the book, but everyone's memories have been altered to forget most of the original brothers, and they were replaced with Azure, Peng, Yellowtusk, and Macaque? 👀
Also, in the book, Sun Wukong is the king of monkey demons/yaoguai - like he has an actual army with Generals. But in LMK he just has ordinary monkeys! 🤨 Maybe all of Sun Wukong's actual demon monkey subjects got kidnapped? And his memories have been changed so he no longer remembers them and he just thinks he's the king of normal monkeys.
I did see someone say that it's weird Azure wanted to recruit Sun Wukong because he thought he was a great leader - since he was just the 'leader' of a bunch of non-sapient monkeys; essentially a glorified zookeeper lol.
@@RVSketchI agree with you, I noticed the same things lol I wonder what they do with the Buddha and stuff since I think they replaced the Buddha with the jade emperor not sure why though since Mk mentioned once that swk fought the Buddha not the jade emperor I honestly agree with you about some parts like with red son it makes sense to me that his character arc is different in lmk but there are still some other stuff that doesn't make sense about jttw hoping it will be explained soon
Technically, in the season 4 special macaque doesnt have all of his shadow powers. He only has the teleportation and the energy staff. We never see him with his other shadow powers. My theory is that macaque got his shadow powers after he died. This would make sense. With mk, i think he is not going to be a villian. After all how would party clone would have time to be with the python demon. Also i think macaque has always had his face marking. I think they misprinted wukongs face to macaque and just added spikes. Remember sets are made before the show is finalized so the lego figs dont do anything. I think the ink demon is just possesing/influencing mk and maybe mk with get unpossesed like macaque and wukong. Plus the python demon isnt confirmed to be in the show.
Ah maybe! I don't think Macaque got his shadow powers after he died though - we see him use his shadow staff in flashbacks before he died (when the Brotherhood is fighting heaven).
And MK left Party Clone to manage that party for a pretty long time. It could be that the Python Demon got to him early on while everyone was partying 👀
And about the face marking in the Lego sets: because it has spikes it can't be a misprint. And the fact they also had the correct one? And then it's different again (larger with more spikes) in the S3 sets? But yeah, I know that make the sets before the show is finalized 😅
MK being possessed by the Ink Curse is an interesting idea! They did destroy it, but there would be loads of other Ink Curses in the other parts of the Scroll of Memory.
Ok sure but still. It seems like he has always had the energy staff and the teleportation powers. Plus it would be ridiculous if they showed the python demon.
About the sets, remember, macaque wasnt even a character in s1 until e9. They probably wanted to make him look like wukong but decided not to.
About party clone, I can agree it is a coincidence but cmon, party clone doesn't look any different.
I just think mk might be going insane because of what's happened to him. I don't think this has to do with macaque. Also we dont macaques backstory so it's not confirmed if he was a clone of wukong who met the python demon.
@@Disneypixartuners well, it's a theory for a reason 😅 But it would be interesting to see MK go insane 👀
MK's shadow turning into Macaque's to me it's more likely is suggesting a blood relationship.
Could be! It was definitely an interesting choice - it's got to mean something! And considering your theory, (not sure if you mentioned this or not) MK's hair is closer in colour to Macaque's than Sun Wukong's 👀
@@RVSketchabout the hair, I noticed it's more apparent when MK is in his part-monkey form( becomes even more like Macaque's)
@@mohammadtarek3842 oh yeah!
What moment did you notice with the shadow in the "Play Shadow"? I don't remember how the series is correctly called.
don't know if someone has already said this but... Mk did have that heart shapped marking on his face in some lego set, though it was messy it was also red. you probably already understand where im going with this. Maybe it was to indicate the similiar case with the influence or possess of the Python Demon like how with Macaque, the mark turning red and growing, and then just never made it to the series. though it could be just red facepaint what Mk just had on as a fanboy that he is, i mean that's what i thought first. I don't know if this theory of MK (and possibly Macaque) becoming slowly corrupted or possessed by the Python Demon is true and honestly i don't believe it to be. I mean it might have been the idea at first and just never got exploited. But only time will tell and it is certainly interesting to think of and something i would like to see be used in the series.
Oh, I didn't think about the MK having a red face marking in the sets! 👀 Although, like you said, it's possible it's just supposed to red face paint (like what those people dressed up as Monkey King were wearing, in the S2 special)
Maybe Macaque copied the python demon powers on lesser level as Sun Wukang said that is one of his habits/powers but I think you are still kind of right as this really might have bad consequences.
True! And if Macaque did copy, or even steal, the Python Demon's power, I can see the Python Demon not being very happy about that!
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I think so!
I hope in season 5 they show who mk is and I heard that season five coming in December but I'm not sure at the moment
I hope we find out who MK is too!
Also, I feel like December is quite soon lol - there haven't been two seasons in one year before! I've got so many more LMK videos to make too - I don't think I could fit them all in before December 😅
most likely summer or fall next year
I was waiting so long for this video you don't even know! I absolutely love your theories so much!
If I may add my own input on it, I don't think the Python demon will possess Mk directly, or turn Mk evil, as none of the pieces seem to line up for it wanting that specific goal as the evidence for Mk being attached to the demon directly could just be passed off as artistic choice and it seems pretty out of character for Mk. But that specific choice leads me into a different yet similar theory. Mk is very unstable with his new powers, and I feel like the Python demon may try to push him over the edge to the point he loses control. Not Mk being evil and more just not being able to control his abilities. Similar to Azure who was pushed to cause massive chaos without really knowing why.
I don't think Mk having connections to the color red means he is gonna be possessed, as red eyes are usually an artistic choice to indict something as bad. However the scarlet clouds on his friendship armor being scarlet instead of his usual golden theme is odd, but they could've just wanted to differ from Sandy's color armor which is golden. And another thing to note is that most commonly in group uniforms red is seen as being the color of the leader, the one with the leadership role and the person in charge. That's probably why his armor is red, and clouds as seen in lego sets are what is own sigil is.
I think the design on his friendship armor may be forshadowing the possibility of the python demon's appearance, and how he might try to push Mk over the edge, rather than it being a direct connection.
However everything with Macaque being connected with the red python I 100% agree with hands down. And as for Mk losing an eye I wouldn't be suprised, knowing that they foreshadowed Mk's monkey form in shadow play, that it could be foreshadowing to him possibility gaining a similar scar to Macaque in a huge battle, however they might do it poetically by making Mk lose his eye to protect others for good when Macaque lost his eye trying to do something bad. Showing how the two may be alike in some aspects but yet are different in everyway. We also have yet to see how the kings of the underworld play a role in all of this, as they seem to have a strong connection to whatever is going on. Whatever that may be. Maybe the python is just a large chess piece being needed to move Mk on the chessboard for whatever they have planned, just like Azure.
Anyway that's just my thoughts on it I figured I'd spill out! If you read all of this thank you and I can't wait for your next video! I really enjoyed listening to this one! :D
(Also one thing I forgot to add, one of the staff members said Macaque 'thinks' Wukong killed him, that could possibly be an outside influence affecting his memories to make him turn against Wukong, and why he feels he can trust and be around Wukong despite the idea of Wukong killing him in his head. Possibility an outside force messed with him a little bit just like Azure. It doesn't seem very powerful as it only affected something very very small. But it could explain why Azure's memories didn't line up with what actually happened. Just a thought as it could just have been trying to show that they have personal bias affecting how things really happened.)
Thanks! I'm glad you liked my video! And I quite like your thoughts! I do like your idea that the Python Demon will push MK over the edge!
And yeah, maybe the red clouds on MK's uniform is a stretch, but why not make them more orangey? That is his main colour, after all 👀 Although I do see your point about that being too similar to Sandy's armour 😅
And yeah, I've very curious about the Kings of the Underworld. It seems to be a traitor situation - one King doing evil in secret while the others aren't aware (just based on what the main King said at the end of the special).
@@RVSketch I'm glad and yeah I agree! One of the kings seems to definitely be up to something. Another thing I think about is how, if I remember correctly, I saw something explaining how they said Wukong sought help from Quanyin to defeat a demon, but it was cut off as they couldn't remember the name of said demon. Just something I thought I might bring up as it could possibly be forshadowing a demon that could be their next foe to overcome!
@@lunerstudios239 Was that the demon Tang mentioned in Dumpling Destruction? Because that demon was actually Red Son (Red Boy) in the book 😅
@@RVSketch Oh yeah! Now I remember! I've looked at the story and did a lot of my own research, so I was aware of that at the time. I guess my brain forgot that happened in the dumpling episode, probably because of the fact the plot was about a large dumpling about to demolish the city and that took up most of my attention already LMAO
@@RVSketch One last thing I forgot to mention that was mention in the video was Mk being able to use Shadow magic. I looked at your other video about what Mk could be (one of my favorite videos by the way) and I wonder if that sense Mk was made with the same powers as Wukong, I don't think it is too much of a stretch to believe that Mk was made to be able to use the same Shadow abilities as Macaque as well. It's clear Mk didn't get those abilities from Macaque, he just seems to have them. Similar to how he just seems to have Wukong's powers. Macaque just helped to bring them out, just like Wukong helped bring out Mk's abilities. I find it a little suspicious that Mk just happens to have the same abilities of 2 out of the 4 celestial monkeys that they had to specifically learn for years and years in order to obtain. It makes me wonder if Mk might have abilities tied to the other two celestial primates.
I think the macaque's shadow powers may be caused by this demon, but I don't like the party clone part that much. I mean how could he get the demon python power and why would he do that in the first place, I think these party mk clones are red to show it's not the original mk and not to confuse viewers who is who. Btw I love your videos, have a nice day.
Thanks! And I get what you're saying about the red eyes - but the spiky face markings is what is most suspicious to me 😅 Also, we know MK left Party Clone to party for a long while, so the Python Demon could've easily got to him during the party. The Python Demon might’ve been able to disguise themselves as a regular human/party-goer, as that is a thing some demons can do 👀
@@RVSketch I watched season 1 a while ago and i didn't remember that "mk left the party clone to party for a long time" now it makes sense to me
@@pixel8118 yeah, MK just made a bunch of clones and left them to do their things. And we know he left Party Clone for _quite_ a while because Mei was exhausted from partying and said the party had been "going on for 15 hours" That is a crazy amount of time!
a bit of correction on pronunciation - the red aura is emanating from macaque, not emulating. 'harbinger' is also pronounced with a soft g, like in 'binge'. don't take this as me being mean or anything!!! i used to say 'harbringer', so you're already a step ahead of me.
the set things are really interesting, but there have been egregious differences with the representation of the character in visual media and the physical sets for decades. however. however something i have lost my train of thought. toot toot
Yeah, I know I pronounced harbinger wrong lol 😅
I think the reason why did Sun Wukang and Macaque fought each other due to Sun Wukang's recklessness, I mean it seems that Macaque was the more reasonable one of the two, we saw him in a flashback warning Sun Wukang about the consequences of one of his actions but he just ignored him, I think by time Macaque grow tired of Sun Wukang not listening and decided at some point to step against it by challenging him in a battle.
That makes sense - but something significant must have happened for Sun Wukong to kill him!
@@RVSketch well he didn't actually kill him, I mean he almost did it but the lady bone demon saved him at the last minute after Sun Wukang left him to die.
@@mohammadtarek3842 Oh? I was under the impression Sun Wukong killed Macaque, but then Lady Bone Demon resurrected him 👀
@@RVSketch but you are still kind of right because Sun Wukang at first thought that he truly killed him.
@@RVSketch nice theory gotta disagree with MK doubting SWK (you already explained in another comment so that's fine) and Sun Wukong killing Macaque though, maybe I'm wrong but don't you find it weird that 1. can't remember who but someone from the show said it what Macaque think 2. Macaque himself never told anyone about it even when on the opposite side and was mention by a villian who was using him 3. we saw SWK's memory and himself express guilt for forgetting his goal to protect his friend but not express guilt for killing that friend? and finally 4. SWK was surprise that Azure returned but never with Macaque he just act like he was annoyed (you could say he met him before the episode we meet Macaque but I don't know he made mistakes but as seen he isn't heartless he feel remorse and try to learn from that mistake, it make no sense to be cruel to someone he killed that was his best bud.). I think 1. the crown was used to force him to do it 2.someone pretended to be SWK 3. I read somewhere maybe Macaque loss control of his power 4. there never was a fight with SWK and someone messing with his memory or 5. there was a fight that left Macaque unconscious and someone else finished him I mean does his scar look like it was done by a staff or a punch?. again maybe I'm wrong can't wait to find out as I believe you right when you said we're getting closer to Macaque /SWK stuff, sorry for the long comment but keep up the good work.
Question, how you get the scenes in this quality and how i can get them?
Well, I made this Reddit post, which details where you can watch Monke Kid in different countries!
www.reddit.com/r/MonkieKid/comments/11dx28r/where_to_watch_monkie_kid_legally_in_different/
Probably the best one in terms of price and quantity is ITV in the UK, which has seasons 1-3 for free. And HappyKids.TV in the U.S. is the only place to watch season 4 at the moment.
@@RVSketch yeah, i mean how you get the scenes in this quality, because the clips you show in the video look really good, you used an AI upscale or something?
@@nehuend1015 Nope! No AI - just scenes from the show 😅
How many research did you do for this video?
Hmmm... Quite a bit. Although a lot of the research I did for this video I'd already done a while ago (I've already done a video a while ago about the Python Demon where I talk about some of the same stuff) or it was just knowledge/ideas I've accumulated over time :D My processes for making videos aren't exactly linear lol.
The video definitely took some time to make since it's quite long though 😅
@@RVSketch At least the video is very good. 😊
@@SebArts999 Thank you! :)
@@RVSketch You’re welcome! :)
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The only problem I can see with the theory that if macaque is a Wukong clone, who’s the 4th primate, because in JTTW there are 4 powerful primates born from stones, that includes the monkey king (and would be macaque). Could the python granting macaque an actual stable body, yes, but you then leave a new hole to fill. As for macaque’s design could be chalked up to miscommunication and differences between show and sets (Ninjago and other Lego stories have had similar problems). As for porty MK is probably brought back because both the studio and fans love him and nice to see, though to not have him play to big of a part they instantly take him out or he poofs away. I’d like to clarify I’m not here trying to hate or put you down, but these are just some of the easy explanations and holes I can see. Anywho have a great day and keep it up.
Well, in Journey to the West, the Four Spiritual Primates actually aren't all born from stones - only Sun Wukong is. As a Spiritual Primate, Sun Wukong is referred to as "the Stone Monkey of Numinous Wisdom" - but none of the others are called Stone Monkeys, and their origins are not specified when the Buddha talks about the Four Spiritual Primates (which is the only time the concept of Four Spiritual Primates, and the other two, are mentioned in the book).
Also, your criticism wouldn't just apply to my theory - it would have to apply to JTTW, as the Six Eared Macaque is made from Sun Wukong's mind in JTTW.
There's not much information in English on this, but I did a lot of research and made this video explaining it using quotes from the book and Chinese academic papers:
czcams.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/video.html
At the end of the video, I also do propose the idea that the other two Spiritual Primates do not actually exist and are made up by the Buddha, as they never appear in the book, and the only one who talks about them is the Buddha (who seems to have history of lying). But I'll have to do some more research on that 😅 - I'm thinking about making a video about the Representation of Religion in JTTW, but it's a lot of research lol.
But regardless of whether or not the other two Spiritual Primates actually exist in the book, it is very clearly established that Sun Wukong and the Six Eared Macaque are two parts of the same mind, which Anthony C. Yu, one of the most highly regarded JTTW scholars, talks about in his commentary.
But you are that Macaque's design in the sets could maybe be due to miscommunication 😅
And yeah, Party Clone is definitely a fan favourite, but I still think him showing up in _every_ season is suspicious lol
Before macaque stole mks power he didnt have wukongs powers but after he did in the season three Special we see macaque turn into a bird along with mk when there going to comfront bone demon and get the stafff thats the only time we see macaque turn into a magical bird but i really hope that the snake demon isnt takeing over macaque and not turning mk against wukong becuse wukong really dose care about mk and haveing to fight mk would give him more trama and reverse but new pilgrims might fight with wukong trying to get mk to snap out of the possession and to macaque but what if the snake demon takes control of macaque,mk and snake demon macaque,mk go against swk pigzy mie sandy and tang idk how that would end question is season five out yet lemme know your thoughts
I actually think Macaque did have Sun Wukong's powers/abilities before he stole MK's power.
In season 1, Macaque says he stole MK's "power", not "powers" - that implies he didn't steal the actual abilities, just the power/energy of them. So, he already had the abilities, he just stole MK's energy to be more powered-up.
Which is why he can still shapeshift in later seasons, and why he never had the ability to make hair clones, only shadow clones.
And about the Python Demon taking over MK or Macaque - I'm sure whatever happens, they will win in the end!
And no, season 5 is not out yet.
Ik they will win and I really want to see a Possessed mk and and macaque by the snake demon I Really hope it happens it would just seem coool
I'm think mk is yokia
Ah, well yokai are actually Japanese, and the characters are Chinese, as is the orginal story. However, in Journey to the West, the proper term for the demons is actually yaoguai! So MK would be a yaoguai, like Sun Wukong :D
No, I don't believe that. Mk will not be one of the badges.
Well, maybe he only gets possessed temporarily, but he manages to break free! We've already had possessed Sun Wukong 👀
HEEEEEEEY. I watch again the season 1 and, You say that Macaque dosent have the powers of sun Wukong but, he stole the powers from MK. And MK, when he has the Magic Key (LBD), he Open him mind with that so, he never die after that....
And, Macaque, I believe that he has a connection with that Dark Demon, because he has a giant purple guy in some battles. Ok no.....
But the first ones are good, Macaque stole some powers of MK in the first season, maybe MK just Open him mind with the Key and him power is devided, one is the part from the staff and the second part is from for himself.
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Thank you!
Also, just to clarify, I actually think Macaque has always had the same powers as Sun Wukong (at least the ones demonstrated on screen), and he didn't get them from MK. Which makes sense, since Macaque has the same powers as Sun Wukong in the original book.
In season 1, Macaque said that he stole Sun Wukong's "power" - which means he just stole MK's energy, not abilities. If he stole MK's abilities, he would have said "powers", not "power" - this means Macaque just got more powerful when he stole MK's power, but didn't actually gain any abilities. Of course, I guess it could be a mistake and he was meant to say "powers" 😅.
But, in Shadow Play, in Macaque's play, we see that he had shadow cloning abilities long ago in the past, before he encountered MK, and he lost the power he stole from MK when he was defeated in season 1 - but there's a scene in season 2 where he briefly holds MK's staff 👀
@@RVSketch oh. Thanks, and....what do you think about the Magic Key that use MK in the first season? I believe that he used in him mind....or not.... Pipiiiii
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@@scasarteydiseno5253 I definitely think something is going on with that key! Hopefully it comes up in a future season!
And don't forget the Lantern that Macaque had in season 2.
I still believe it belonged to the Red Python Demon.
And of course, i hope we get more answers on Macaque's and Sun Wukong's backstory.
Oh I didn't forget about that! I definitely think you're right about that! The video was just getting a bit long and complicated 😅
I also had to cut out a bit where I talked about a scene in the season 2 special where Macaque's symbol appeared on MK's jacket. I cut it because it was almost definitely an animation error due to not being fully coloured in and clearly being copied from a S1 scene - but I still wanted to talk about it lol.
@@RVSketch Yes, if i recall correctly, it was confirmed that the fact MK's jacket had Macaque's symbol, was an animation error.
@@Dimitsune Yes, Ashe Jacobson, the Storyboard Director, said they were 99% sure it was animation error. I was holding onto that 1%, but the fact Macaque's symbol wasn't fully coloured in definitely indicates it was an error 😅
@@RVSketch Actually, i have an idea for a future video you could make.
Maybe, what other villains we might see in LMK.
Surely, we might see the Red Python Demon. However, who could be a bigger threat to the gang?
@@Dimitsune That is a pretty good idea! There are a LOT of other villains in the book 😅 The Hundred-Eyed Demon Lord (who is a centipede demon) would be an interesting one for sure!