how to make an LnR pattern piece for gable ends
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WELL!!! Thats super helpful. Wish I had watched this when I was doing my siding!! :) BTW, for a roofer, you seem to know a lot about a bit of everything. Where did you get all this knowledge ? Your not that old!!!
Wait til you see these next few weeks worth of videos lol and thanks for the compliment man. I just showed up, stayed positive and tried to learn it all. I was fortunate to work with a guy that knew everything on every job we were at. He was a framer by trade, but kicked out for DUI's but I learned a lot of framing, siding soffit n fascia, gutters, demo, window wraps, windows, doors, trim, flooring and prolly a handful of other stuff too. I just wanted to be the guy that had all of the answers like he did and sort of grew into that from being VERY consistent. I have never no called no showed. And that's rare out by me lol
@@NWIVeteranConstruction Thanks for the reply. You take pride in a job well done and it shows. Have a great weekend!
Best frickin idea I've seen so far!! Thanks. About to side my first house. This made the gable angle dilemma, conundrum so much easier.
I knew how to find the angle with a other piece,,but cutting the bottom off and the lock off works GREAT !
yessir thank you!
As a GC apprentice I am doing a side job of siding a shed. And I was having a dumb momemnt and couldn’t remember how to do my gablie siding. You just helped me out so much. And I really appreciate it. You earned a follow
Hell yea brother plenty more where that came from. Just getting started
Wow by far the best explanation on how to make the angles. Other videos uses level and square and messaureing tapes. This is so much easier. I cant believe i didnt think to do it this way
Thank you! That's what the channel is here for. You'll find plenty of those moments in some of my videos. Thanks for watching
Like your videos. I have been watching the roofing videos as well. Very informative.
Thank you for service too.
i appreciate that bud thank you
Thank you, you have answered my question that I’ve been agonizing doing as I’m older and will do by myself. Fantastic.
Glad to help
Thank you I've been trying to figure out how to do it with a square...this made my job so much easier and faster!!!! Thank you
No problem
I had a lapsiding job last Tuesday, we get to the gable and my dumbass lead says, "I'm gonna have to pythagorean theorem this shit" and all I could do was laugh at him. I honestly just find out my roof pitch and do long cuts from there but this method looks way easier. Definitely gonna give it a shot!
Awesome idea cool tricks and keep up the good work
Someone showed me this 40 years ago and it is still a good idea.
Yessir. For now anyway. I got some big plans that'll save even more time than that
Awesome! Thank you for sharing
Thanks for the refresher..Been years since I've had to put siding on.
Thank you I never knew this . Will work perfect for when I build my shed
I'm siding my house, great tip very helpful
Thank you bro for real HUGE help
Excellent thanks so much for tip this will save tons of time.
Thats how i would have done it.!! Just little tricks you learn after years of doing it.Good work once again bud.Keep the vids coming.!
Thanks bud. As always I appreciate the feedback!
You really help me on a siding job that I need it to do thanks man
Worked like a charm ! Thank you for the short video.
best and easiest way to make a pattern,the best on u tube
I appreciate that
Great looks very easy to do thanks👍
Love this video! Was having so much trouble figuring this out. Thank you!
Glad it helped you!
Brilliant!
You saved me a lot of money. Thanks for the vid
Np
Ingenious!!
Jobs looking good, we just picked up a huge fascia and soffit job but have too complete a few roofing jobs b4 we start, I almost cut my thumb off using one of those grinders, maybe I should of put the guard on lol
Haaaaha nahh we're using one without it right now and it's easier. You just gatta be more careful lmao
Also thanks for your support man. Good luck with the new big job. I just picked up 110 sq 7/12. Can't wait for that! Hopefully within a week or 2
Good video and technique. I'm gonna be doing a single-wide trailer in vinyl here in a week or two, and there will be some weird angles around the corners up to the roofline. This should work great.
It should. Thanks for the comment bud
My.man has all the tricks
You don't even know lol I'm over here inventing shit for construction coz I don't like the best ways 🤣
@@NWIVeteranConstruction I learned a lot from you already. I just jumped into full time contracting and you're the only one who had a quick and easy way to get the gable angles
I’ve used that same way for the Lp and Hardie siding. Pretty cool to see it work for vinyl. Never worked with vinyl my boss I learned from always passed those jobs. Always said we use quality products not garbage. From your vids though looks like you can fly just siding vinyl.
Yes sir thanks for the comment! but yea every job is different, some are quick, I've tore down and installed 22 sq in a day with 3 others but that's far from typical lol I've also installed hardie board and LP. not a fan of hardie, takes too long, but when the day comes I'll probably LP my own house. What a lot of guys don't get is that vinyl isn't a bad product. I Like it and know it holds well when installed correctly and the majority of homeowners, like 75+% of people in my area, Would prefer to put vinyl on because its in their budget and lasts for what you pay for it.
Yeah hardie is a b word to work with. Lol i do agree with lp to me it’s the best in the biz. I use that template method and when I get to using just one piece up the gable I just use my template and a speed square to get all my measurements. Again great vids man.
@@GrazingBull thanks. When you get down to "less than" a full piece length on those gables you know the trick to get your next number right? Before you install it?
Yes I do!
@@GrazingBull ouwwwouuuuu lets hear it. Haaaaha nah I'm jk. That's the one trick most people do know
You just helped this make some sense to me
Perfect..Thank you
No problem
Yea this is perfect homie good tip
What a time saver it is to have a good pattern whether you work alone or on a team. Team rules help get the job done right. Do you have rules on tool storage and maintenance?
I wish! Lol that's one of the next things on my list. Now that I have 6 employees things are completely wrecked! Lol
Thank you!
Pro tip: You should always mark for cuts on back of vinyl to avoid leaving lines showing.
Not if you are good enough with a pair of snips or a saw.
@@johnharris8191 especially when you use that chainsaw.
Thank you for the trick.
Awesome trick man!!
This is actually a dope tip
It saves time. If you only knew that pattern madness that's been on my jobs lol
Hey Veteran I have a 4 12 roof, I have 2 gable vents on both ends that are triangular. I can't find a triangle vent for vinyle . The square ones I have found are bigger of course. If I use a sq. one can I just drill some holes underneath the current triangle vent that would be covered by the new sq vent? Or should I cut out more material in the current siding / plywood ? If I cut out more should the insulation be removed from all of tht area ? My concern with the bigger sq. vent is will water perhaps blow in the new vent since it is going to be a lot lower that the existing vent? Hope this makes sense.
Thanks. Good info.
Nice trick thanks!
Thanks i needed this info
Nice video!👍
You need to invest in some saw horses man, working off of the ground, bending over, squatting everyday. Takes a toll on the body after awhile. I'm sure you have saw horses but time to make a cutting table. Good videos. Keep them coming.
Also, I enjoy how you're teaching this kids everything you know. You're a great trainer, hard to find people that critique little things like you do. Once again, good job.
Oh, also. haha. How long have you been in business?
Thanks dude
No problem!
Gracias
Excellent. I wonder if my bro," the master sider" knows this one. Find out on monday.
Excellent
Love it, thanks for the tip. Do you guys ever use a miter saw to cut vinyl?
Sure do
I never use patterns..
Just measure up what your panel is with a square make a mark on siding then measure back .thats your angel it's better because when it changes you can easily adjust by adding or subtracting.
Patterns probably work ok for new construction but not a reside
Zach, can you demonstrate a how to install the siding when the bottom 4 rows are missing down to the very bottom. I’m afraid if I try to replace starting from the bottom and come up, I won’t have the proper distance above to lock in and properly meet the the final strip because small distances times several can add up. Is there a way to install and work downward. I had a fire on the back of the house, and the bottom 10 feet melted in one corner downward to the ground where the fire started. Thank in advance.
You have to make sure you have the exact same same siding, and only put nails IN THE OLD NAIL HOLES. That will ensure they line up. I actually have a recent video about changing a piece. Might help
Learning to use a square and a siding table is handy. Way faster than a grinder and chop saw. Been siding forever
Cost more money too just to do one project.
What kind of blade do you use for the grinder?
And you can start a quick collection of patterns...
Using a grinder interesting I use a circular saw blade backwards.
I prefer the grinder personally but I use a chop saw with a backwards blade once in awhile. But usually just for straight cuts in between windows. Like When you Gatta cut like 6 pieces @ 125 or whatever. You can Get through em all in 1 cut. So fast.
Hey zack any pattern advice for like an LP smartside??
Same exact thing. Hook into your gecko clips, slide over and use another piece to trace. or you can do a rake angle if I'm not mistaken, using either a speed square or a framing square. It won't be the easy way on the square though. And if its not new construction the angles won't always be perfect anyway so finding a good way to trace your angle is safer than a rake angle on a square
Get a sliding siding saw. This way u don’t have to bend over and use a grinder like a beginner
I’m currently putting j channel around round windows heat gun sucks destroys the vinyl notching the back don’t do shit it buckles in the front any tip or trick for this?
i have the greatest!!!!! j channel video. period. its actually one of my favorite videos of mine and j channel is one of my favorite things to do. check it out. very easy to find in a search or on my channel videos in my siding playlist
Um.... you can always just measure the height of the siding then the run and use a jchannel as the template
Mm....
If the Sun is casting a shadow of the roofline on the wall, I guarantee if you mark it you will be real close. LOL
Haha probably depends on the angle of the sun, not a bad idea though! I actually got a pretty sweet invention in the works too help find this angle
What would you suggest for ligama?
I suggest you ligama.
But if that just makes you hungry, we can go to wendy's. You like wendy's?
Just wow. No torpedo and square?
No sir. And twice as accurate
I use a battery grinder...
Yes sir🫡
Will this work all the way up or just that one piece?
All the way up. Unless your roof pitch changes but that is obvious. Keep your pattern and use only that piece as a pattern. Don't use your cut offs as a pattern or it will eventually not work anymore.
@@NWIVeteranConstruction also make sure to keep your siding level. If you loose it then eventually it will come out of j channel.
And if I'm doing the gable with someone else then I cut a panel and before I give it to other guy to put it on i measure lock to know the size of next panel and while coworker is hammering first panel I'm already cutting the next one.
No snips? Green horns
Not on the angle pieces!..you'll get brutally blistered up lol always grind those. Worth every penny and then some
Why don't you cut it with the chop saw?
I could have. It's a 12/12 which equals 45 degrees and my saw is big enough to do it. However, The reason I didn't, is because that would not have worked on your average job where you're dealing with 8/12 and under (in my area) so, because not all angles are made the same and the majority of them need a grinder. I demonstrated it in a way that works in all situations.
its wierd seeing houses have plastic on the side. im from california and its mostly like stucco or whatever that rocky stuff is.
I hate it on my house. It creaks in the wind, gets holes and cracks from lawn mowers and stuff easily, and is an insect and wasp nest magnet. I took down some of it to work on my roof and the whole corner post was filled with wasps nests. The bottom of each siding piece was full of dead bugs too.
What about a lower pitch tho
Same thing just got to use longer pieces
Framing square an I'm done. U still playing with it
Framing square 30 times. Pattern in 2 minutes and easily traced. You wouldn't win that race bud
Does this work if you want to mark back so no lines even though hidden under j
Yea you can use it backwards. Just will sit a little awkwardly. I had a guy try to do that for the same reason, didn't work out well so my advice would be to do it this way
Can you make a video a different way to take angles on the gable, square and level_?
Please 🙏
For vinyl? I would never do it different than this if you want my honest opinion. I have another video though I'm pretty sure I detailed that a little bit where I was matching siding up above a gable
@@NWIVeteranConstruction thank will look for it, you are awesome
that was for a nebie
Im afraid to even look how u do ur pork chops cuz it should b on by now or bird box book end etc.. Everyone has their vernacular
Jus pull up how ever tall siding is mark it pull ur tape that's ur angle no need for that
If somebody made a video demonstrating what you described, i would comment the same thing that you did but tell them about making a pattern
well I feel dumber than dirt, thank you.
happy to help
dude get a cutting table
Or just figure the pitch with a framing square would be easier than holding all those siding pieces up there
Using grinder on ground no safety glasses on one little stone your blind.
Come on guys working on the ground,work at a Gentlemen height
More than one way to skin a cat.
this is why you dont have a roofer do your siding
Ahhhaha I'll smoke you any day with no cut take coz you'll take too damn long to set it up and walk back and forth! Watch my one man install video it'll help you out
@@NWIVeteranConstruction I like that you stand up for your self but I have what you dont have and thats years you mite be fast but IM A PRO
I'll always give credit where it's due man. Post a video of yourself knocking out some siding. Not just hanging it in the open, and tag it on my videos. If you're good I wanna learn something
@@NWIVeteranConstruction I LOVE THAT BE TEACHABLE I ALLWAYS LOVE TO LEARN SOMETHING WE ALL DONT KNOW KNOW IT ALL PEACE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
He’s doesn’t know anything about roofing, there is a big difference between fast and quality
Why do u have a j goin up the gable? U put the panel into an l bend. Usually 2 x 2 then zip screw the soffitt j rt to panel aluminun soffitt j cuz it lays straighter much cleaner look. Dude im not hatn on u but u got the platform like ur a maestro but ur mediocre at best feel free if anythn i say is wrong or less work efficient cuz it not n aestheticaly much betr
You need safety glass
Goofy
3:15 almost cut your hand off
Thank you for wasting my time
If you think that then you must not be a sider 😂 coz real siders know that this 2 minute trick saves time and mistakes when cutting gables
Just figure out the pitch and then anyone with a speed square can cut the material. They won’t need to look for a “pattern”. Saves time, and time saves money. Still like all your videos. Keep passing on the info for the newcomers.
Well. Not every pitch is built exact. Or settles exact when put up. Also. You're gonna end up using a pattern anyway coz nobody is gonna bust a speed or framing sq every time. So why not just get one good one for both sides. Exact to the angle because it was traced... and go on about the day using one pattern