Susan Blackmore - Near-death experiences and questions of responsibility in science (14/23)
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Born in 1951, Susan Blackmore is a British freelance writer, lecturer and broadcaster. Having graduated from St Hilda's College, Oxford with a degree in psychology and physiology, she went on to do postgraduate work in environmental psychology. In 1980, she gained a PhD in parapsychology. Her research on memes (which she wrote about in her popular book "The Meme Machine") and evolutionary theory has contributed to the field of memetics. [Listener: Christopher Sykes; date recorded: 2000] - Sport
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Yeah, I respect that, but what about the numerous cases of NDE when all brain activity, bloodflow etc has already stopped for several minutes? No activity in the brain, no experiences, that's the fundamental prerequisite of any materialist worldview denying the possibility of life after death.
Would like to see a confrontation between Susan Blackmore and Pim van Lommel on this very issue.
Comes across like someone engaged in genuine inquiry, and despite deep knowledge remains humble about conclusions.
My problem with this approach is, its proponents consistently talk about NDEs in vague, nebulous terms, as if they are all just generalized "feelings of well-being" ... "feeling the presence of other beings" ... "seeing and being in a light" ... "experiencing flashbacks of one's life" ... all while utterly ignoring the parts that aren't easily explained by the neurological explanations; for example, that there is also an intellectual and moral component to NDEs.
People don't just "see a light." They talk to it and hold philosophical discussions with it -- as with an academic advisor, some say -- while it offers them thoughts and viewpoints they hadn't previously thought of themselves. (And despite what Dr. Blackmore says in another video, often people's experiences go AGAINST what they had previously been taught by their culture and religion to expect of the afterlife.)
And people don't just "see flashbacks" of past experiences; yes, they re-experience their lives -- but also, this time, frequently from the points of view of OTHER people who were involved; that is, they feel how their choices and actions impacted other people, from those other people's point of view. How can the dying brain provide that? And, further, why would it?
And while that life review is happening, it's not just some mechanical replay, like a tape recording. Rather, the being of light, or academic advisor, or whoever it is, actively comments on it, offering thoughts and suggestions on the choices one has made in one's life -- sometimes, people say, even with a droll, gentle sense of humor.
People report re-experiencing their lives objectively, with all their rationalizations and denials removed -- not just as some auto-replay of what they felt and experienced in life -- and they often feel immense shame at learning the negative effects of their actions and choices on other people. Again, how does the dying brain theory account for that element of morality ... of that emphasis on person responsibility and choice, of empathy and compassion for other beings? And WHY would a dying brain have any need to teach that?
Some good questions.
Good critique
The immediate dump of DMT fully explains every single hallucination seen during a NDE. Sure, it can seem like it took several minutes, even hours, or days the person feels they experienced, but their recollection of time passed is incorrect. Sure, it seems absolutely real(after all, you experience it right?), but that doesn't mean that there is something after this. There very well may be, but the evidence of that can not be something you only saw after your brain dumped a decent amount of DMT directly into your brain causing hallucinations. Otherwise we would consider everything that any addict has seen during a drug induced hallucination as reality and fact. It isn't. It can feel real, and overwhelming, especially to someone who is religious and is anticipating and expecting very specific characters to see them and welcome them. The drug uses the thought and projects what is in the mind already.
Well I have dreamed about dogs and cats sometimes, and they talk even with my own accent. The brain is a complex organ you know.
"You know nothing Jon Snow....."
When people float above their bodies, watch doctors operating on their bodies , hear the conversations, come back to life and tell the doctors exactly what was said, how can you explain that ? Please explain it.
Hallucination. Conscious whilst on the table 🤷🏼♀️
Hallucination. Conscious whilst on the table 🤷🏼♀️
@@WildandFree4 yeah sorry I’ll just clarify. They are watching what is going on from above literally, there have been reports where they even go into different rooms .
As she said… you as an individual will not continue after death… you continue as part of a greater consciousness… but all illusory barriers that separate ‘you’ from ‘everything else’ evaporate… ‘you’ cease to exist because ‘you’ never really existed…
Nothing which lives ever dies
I entertain these thoughts. It may even be that life and death are precisely the same thing insofar as the morning and evening are both part of the same day.
Is this not outdated? Cause NDE’s occur w no brain function..
But how would it be possible to definitively conclude that the NDE happened precisely at the time of there being no brain activity and not immediately before or after this phenomenon? Considering that time is very difficult to accurately decipher during bouts of epilepsy, fainting and so forth it is not unreasonable to assume that one could believe their NDE was happening over a much longer period than it did, in actuality.
I’m not a skeptic, just curious to hear your thoughts.
It's likely that those experiences happen when the brain is becoming conscious again. You really didn't realize that they cannot pinpoint the time that they experience the NDE? As long as we're talking about brains, you should really learn to use yours.
@@lachousalle31 On the attack for no reason what so ever
This is outdated.
She will find out when she dies. Poor, lonely soul....Home is waiting for you, whether you "believe in it" or not. You are loved beyond your own comprehension.
You’ve been fouled to believe that nonsense
@@rotorblade9508 Don't rob her of her happiness, haha.
It's good to be skeptical. If something sounds too good to be true.. it probably is.
If your brain was made of cotton there wouldn't be enough to make a butterfly a pair of boxer shorts
People's got the ability to be 100% sure and be 100% wrong. If you can't proof your faith to yourself you are there. If you can say I am in a relationship with God He will hear and He will answer. The person next to you will hear nothing and it all started at, seek Him and you will find Him. Don't be lost as a person that did not check the schedule of the bus, check the schedule, simple as that.
If you can't *prove* your faith with even 1 but of physical evidence in over 2000 years, and the only evidence you have is the religious texts you believe are true, then your logic is flawed and you're trying to convince people to check the bus schedule, while they're on a plane flying to their destination already. You're the lost one looking for purpose, and religion makes you feel as if you have one and there's a reason you exist. I get it, that can feel comforting to some people. Not me, if this Christian "god" is real, he failed to protect the children in churches who were molested by priests despite being "all powerful", and if everything is "god's plan", how does r4pe become part of his "plan"? For what purpose is there to r4pe a child? Either god doesn't exist, or he does and is far from worthy of worship.
Lol yep
We need skeptics people too for prove the soul existence
When standing your ground makes you look ridiculous!
What a blind woman!
I could say the same thing about you plus you are also rude. It’s ridiculous to you maybe or to others like you but I agree on what she says and does a good job explaining the we she see things
@rotorblade9508 she cannot explain how people see people during their near death experience that they hadn't even known had died at that time . Or how people can accurately see things that happen in a completely different part of the hospital to where their body is at. Its no good ignoring this evidence
@@elliottfireice4394 can you please give an example of situation like that that you heard of? a video or text document recording the incident ,maybe a documentary?
I admire her a lot. Believing that there is no God and there is no afterlife is harder to believe!! Look at the universe, look at the nature, look at the order in them, look at how humans are so uniquely made in a way that is more complicated than the universe itself. Even the universe last longer than us and yet God created the universe for us bc God loves us. See the logic here? According to her, everything arose from pure coindence and luck. Why not appreciate the life given to you by God the almighty instead propagating nonsense based on limited human knowlege.
Anyone with a hair color like that can't be taken seriously.
Great debating skills there.
Nah, just get personal
Thank you. It's still a fact, regardless of your snowflake-senses.
Ive died probably 🤔 4-5 times in my life, rushed to the hospital, stomach pumped, and wake up not remembering anything 😆 I never seen a "light at the end of a tunnel" haha. I tried to commit suicide a lot in my life. Never seen a light or a "God" 🤔🤣 🔦
There was nothingness. Just as there is nothingness here. We simply rot and die. The End.
People want to think that there is a God, life after death & a "heaven" because majority of humanity FEAR death.
So right. Hope all the god lovers stop wasting there life on fairytales
Very upsetting and ignorant woman. What about people who have a NDE who see people that they hadn't even known had died? Bruce greyson and Pim Van Lommel provide all the evidence
My father and Stepmom had death experiences. My step mom was pronounced dead lifted off operating table heard surgeons discussion in hallway. Conversations All verified by surgeons when she came to life again.
@@Michael-mh4vr I believe that. What an incredible story and again one with variable information. So she was able to see and hear oistude the room to where her body was located?
Your comment is just cope.
How about the majority of people who had NDEs and came back and said that they didn't experience anything? The people who experience an "afterlife" are such a tiny minority.
@@lachousalle31how do yk this from what I’ve seen it’s more common that they do see something and it’s more the opposite that the minority actually see nothing in a Nde
The machine elves are laughing out loud
Only while someone is hallucinating them. The rest of the time they don't exist. There are plenty of people who have done DMT and were like, yeah that was a hallucination.
You make no sense! It all comes down to the truth as you see it! You, who sees the limits of the objective understanding, your contribution seems insignificant