This SILVER Zarya accused their supports of NOT HEALING, but is it true?
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Honesty it's just the philosophy that: " If you NEED a healer pocket at all times to win, then youre not playing well."
and this one probably wanted two pocket healers.
Eh, some tanks need constant healing. Mainly big brawley tanks like Rein, Mauga and Ram
@@FatMCSteve they can still take cover and avoid over extending
@@FatMCSteveno they don’t. Their health is a resource. Rein has his entire health bar + his shield. He doesn’t need constant heals.
Tbh it's a 50-50. Tanks do need near constant healing to survive in the high damage state of the game, their whole purpose is to soak cooldowns after all, but they also need to utilise cover, know when to retreat and how to min-max their abilities to ensure effectiveness. It's also known that the team who's tank lives longest is the team that wins the game.
We've gotta approach this with the mentality that they're actually tanks tho, not bruisers. There's a big difference between the two. Something that ow2 devs are slowly figuring out considering the patch notes for next season. So maybe next season we'll finally figure out if Ow2 tanks are actually tanks or just bruisers lol.
I just found this to be comically ironic. Guy complains about healing, but lets a mercy revive and walk around unchecked the whole game.
He was hoping the enemy Mercy might put heals into him too, he needs 3 supports working for him.
I was cringing every time she rezed right in front of him or when he gets her low then just walks away and fights someone else
There was a point at 14:20 where he was tracking the low health Mercy, then turns and hooks the Sigma she was healing. I was so disappointed.
@@cateyes48there was also the moment where sig is one and he just turns around and ignores the sig instead of finishing him off
I love it when people let me run around unchecked. I cause so much havoc with my blaster.
As a support main I'm feeling bad for those supports. They must have had a *REAL* hard time keeping that Zarya alive. :(
There's nothing more annoying then trying to keep your tank alive and instead of them just backing off for a second, they decide to stand in front of a Bap Window with a turret Bastion and then scream at you for not healing.
Yeah. Support healing the Zarya and she's at 20% and rather than stay behind the cart for another few seconds rushes back in and dies. The supports thinking do I de-prioritize this suicidal tank and focus on the team members that are better at the game or fully commit to 95% pocket the idiot to try to save the game.
at 4:00 moira 1v1 lmao; still doesn’t help they didn’t use cover half the game lol
Sometimes it's best to just let the bad player die, maybe they will learn from it. But considering the ego here.... that's never gonna happen. It's like that bastion player, who kept blaming their Reinhardt, when they were scared of taking a 1v1 with a Moira.
@@GummyDinosaursify they do that and at the same time, they are behind shields and cannot grasp the concept that a shield blocks healing as well.
both supports: put all their heals into the tank
the tank: wHeRe aRe mY hEaLz?!444!
Wait, why did you put 4's in between the !. Isn't it supposed to be 1's?
@@CharterForGaming !444!!4!!!44!
Literally all the time lol. I play Bap and all my heals go to the tank cause they aren't playing well.
@@TyneePsychoatp just damage or focus on someone else 💀💀 you won’t be able to save them if they do not want to save themselves
Tbf having 2 resource meter supports is a bad idea
The most frustrating part about watching this isn't even the trash positioning, it's the awful targeting decisions. This guy is constantly tickling the other tank while all of the squishies are right there for him to delete, including supports healing the other tank.
He ignored the Mercy rezing the enemy tank like 3 teamfights in a row 😂
Yeah, I sometimes wonder why that many tanks think their duty is to go all godzilla vs kong
Yeah and those same tanks will flame their dps because they have more damage then them even though they’re getting no kills just unloading into the tank.
most games i play its the same thing, no one targets the squish and heals, they always go for the tank... makes no sense.
It’s because his aim is so bad that the only target he can hit is the tank.
“I can play every tank but Winston.”
I really want to see their Winston
Winton jump, Winton in Rialto canal!
I wanna see their wrecking ball
If he plays like Zarya like this (which is the easiest tank to use) I can already see how he plays the other tanks 😂
@@jograt_gt2903Wait Zarya is the easiest? DAAAMN I'M BAD
@@veryepicprogamer1234 imo shes the easiest all you need to do is manage the bubble cooldown and have a good positioning but most of the time youll be just brawling with enemy and turning your brain off 😂
I'm glad that Emongg started yelling about the Reaper on cart, because this tank was tunnel visioning on the enemy tank the entire game even when there were squishier targets right in front of them and I thought no one was gonna bring it up.
The whole last round the guy spend it shooting randomly at the air
His aim sucks. You see it on Zarya. He only targeted the Dva because that's all he can reliably hit. Even when pocketed he ignores the supports healing her and focuses on Dva.
Yes this is the worst part of her gameplay. Once she got the tank back and gained space instead of using that, she just kept pushing into being surrounded by the enemy.
Dva is easier to kill than reaper tbh
Not if the DVa is any good. @@commentbot9510
This is why emongg is the best, instead of just flaming them he actually tried to help.
Unlike Fats the soy screamer shill boy
Yeah, Flats always pissed me off with how mean he is to people. Anytime he gives advice, he's like "wait, why am I trying to help?" He also uses the same insult over and over "you have the aim of an avocado."
Emongg is awesome. Great dude, loves helping, fun to watch.
@@RedBeard26 tbf, the whole point of flats' videos was the roasting part. it's a bit. and the people sent in stuff specifically to be roasted. not finding it funny is fair, but it wasn't mean spirited at all.
@@RedBeard26flats states in every single video his videos are not to help… why are we missing that? He has never once said his videos were to give advice he says the exact opposite actually.
@@shawty4066 I know perfectly well that Flats states that. Doesnt change that I dont like it and much prefer Emonggs style.
I love how they took cover or backed up when they had to heal themselves on hog, but on JQ and Zarya, they had their W key taped down and got mad when their supports couldn’t reach them😂
EXACTLY
I also noticed this. They used way more cover on Hog. They also didn't overextend nearly as much.
I think it's partly since as hog and with the mindset that the breather is all your heals, the player is strongly aware of how much healing they have to use. Generally I think the problem that was obvious was the silver thinking that dying meant they didn't get healed and that as long as they're getting healed they won't die
The supports: "Sorry, I can't heal stupidity."
An underrated advantage of LW is you can pull your tank out before they do something stupid. Sometimes you have to save them from themselves.
doesn’t work, they run back in 😂
@@MadaraUchiha-.._or get mad at you🫠
yeah unfortunately the players who suffer from bad positioning will not understand why you did it. And thus they will simply return to their over-extension and die.
People really don't know what an ego vod is. This guy submitted 26 minutes of feeding his ass off.
That’s not what an ego vod is, an ego vod is when someone submits themselves doing what *they think* is amazing, he played terrible and thought he was carrying, that makes it an ego vod
@@spacejesus6581that's not an ego vod 💀
@@skrunklyOwO another ego vod is someone complaining and sending a vod of them absolutely dominating to bait Emongg into watching them pop off, they’re both ego vods because the person sending it has an ego bigger than Homelander
Not to mention, 90 % of the time he was shooting the tank...
@@spacejesus6581Tbf though, I’ve had matches where I was the only one really getting anything done that ended up being hard losses. When the matches are close, it at least feels like my effort made a difference and if things had been slightly different, it could’ve been a win, but getting stomped while having double the elims and half the deaths of my teammates will always hurt.
He flamed the team but they litteraly won the game FOR him
The average metal tank gameplay loop.
1. Poorly timed abilities
2. Not playing in the LOS of your Supports
3. Spam "I need healing"
4. Feed some more
5. Swap to Roadhog, get even less value because you're swapping out of frustration, not realizing that you are playing bad and that your Supports don't want to enable bad gameplay.
"I must be in elo hell, please tell me I'm not the problem Mr Streamer!"
Most of these people are old and just suck ass
nah that mercy on the enemy team was getting away with really risky rezzes. how 💀
it helps when the tank on the other team does not care that the mercy exists lol they're not really risky if there's no threat, you know? 😂
@@sethescope LOL TRUE. one of my priorities when playing tank is always go after the support. you cant kill the enemy tank if both supports are pocketing him
Here's a tip for tanks to get healed: don't stand in the middle of the open and in front of the payload. You're eating damage of 5 enemies, no healer will help you. Especially when you're in front of the payload blocking line of sight with them. They need to see you to heal you. And if they try to heal you they have to get out on the open and they'll be dead before they get to you.
I feel like tanks and highly mobile DPS get tunnel vision and expect heals when they're all over the map or out of position and then blame you for bad planning on their part - I have other players I need to help, too! I'm also a new/inexperienced player, so positioning, traversing the map, and getting from player to player is more difficult for me. It kills me when people don't group up or fall back so I can heal everyone up more easily and we can focus our damage on the enemy. I'm more than happy to admit I'm not great but don't put the blame on me when there are numerous things you did wrong yourself...
I can be constantly healing someone but they'll walk straight into the LOS of the full enemy team with no cover and they'll die and take me with them. How the hell am I supposed to play around that and how the hell do you expect to get any wins that way?
I love how the hog killed the sig and you could see they had the mercy beam on them and instead of going for the mercy right after to prevent the res they just turn to someone else and let mercy res the sigma the hog just killed 😂
Shortly before that I watched the hog ignore easy shots on Mercy so they could shoot the cart a couple of times instead.
I could not stop laughing when @17:17 Emongg uses the green screen to prove his point about this players' running down mid all the time. LOL
So the tank says they didn't get healed. Then the tank walks passed the corner and walked all the way to the cart, where his team wasn't set up. I could tell this was going to be fun video right off the bat.
that was already the worst play ive ever seen on havana
The best advice here is remember that you can't outheal the damage no matter how much your supports are healing you, if you go 1v5 you will always get killed even if you're getting pocketed by your supports. Always have LOS in mind and don't spam your bubbles just because, that is how you get killed.
As I always say when im a support, "I cant heal you from instant death my guy". If you run in and get headshot by hanzo not much I can do about that.
This is why it would be great if they added additional stats to game reports, like Healing Received.
This is for all the tank and dps mains who blame and flame the supports for everything. Thank you Emongg for explaining the truth to them.
Edit: after watching them play Hog for a while, please please PLEASE don't hook and then randomly throw pig pen. Hook people into it
actaly the hog thing is good. especialy on tanks u hook em nt of them so they cant escape
I feel like everyone saying Hog is weak now hasn't gotten the Pigpen + Hook down yet.
Bit painful, that one. Like, I don't get why they went from Zarya to JQ. That's two tanks with tricky cooldown management and low hp pools, something this player isn't too good with.
The sequence of events starting at 8:22…I have never been so confused at an overwatch play in my life. The enemy team was pushing cart and they decided to join the enemy team with their positioning😭
I wish more people had this game sense, as a healer we get flamed when it's not out fault
i played with so many tanks and soldiers who are like that. standing in the open getting shredded by the entire team "I NEED HEALS"
this comment made me chuckle because I played a game last night where friendly Hanzo was quite low and asked for healing, which is perfectly reasonable. what prevented them from surviving was how, instead of turning away from the multiple enemies shooting at them to try to get to cover, they stayed exactly where they were and continued to take more damage than could be outhealed and died lol
It goes worse, I got tanks who dive behind walls and said: I need heal.
@@goodbro2046they always make a point to hide behind every object imaginable and then cry for heals 😅
3:36 Ashe just walk past in front of him and he just let her go, after that Ashe ults on the backline and Zarya just ignore to shoot the tank... If a supp is dealing damage, it cannot heal, so if someone jumps on the supp, the supp cannot heal
It makes sense why he says he can play every tank except Winston.
He plays all tanks exactly the same. And Winston is the one that's going to suffer the most with that playstyle.
imagining winton just standing in the middle of nowhere firing his secondary arbitarely at the enemies 💀
Except Winston? So this guy thinks he can play Doom huh.
That one yellow orb sent by Moira on the first minute: "am I a joke to you?".
Seriously, that makes me ick so much that Zarya decided to go different path with the orb, but they had the audacity to call out her supports. The supports were supporting them since the very beginning, but sadly their own brain can't make right decision.
lore accurate roadhog dude just gets distracted by butterflies sometimes
Zarya, JQ, Hog: the lineup of a person who doesn't actually want to play tank
Don’t say that! Junkerqueen and Roadhog are so fun! I love the other tanks too, but come on bro
@@PikachuComments nah he's got a point. They're just beefier dps lol
@@EclipsedSoul4774how?
@@EclipsedSoul4774jq and hog i can understand but zarya? How
@@TeameBrhane Nah Zarya the only one I somewhat disagree with. Replace her with doom and ball.
19:05 "You have a HEAL!! - nice pig pen" made me laugh lmao
I always felt like in plat and below tanks have always gotten the most healing since they’re easier to heal compared to DPS lol
I'm rarely playing ranked (only occasionally to get my points for golden guns), and yeah, in gold, this video is like how my games as support are. Tank feeding and blaming supports for not healing while we are pumping them non stop.
Every. Single. Game.
There's a reason why I'm not playing a lot of ranked.
@@rouliettapouet9213 yeah it honestly doesn’t make any sense lol even if you’re supports are worse compared to other team you’re still more than likely getting double pocketed, at that point the tank needs to adjust 🤷🏽♂️
@@kai8462 i think that when they learn how to adjust, they rank up 😅
I haven't played a ton of tank, but I have played enough this season to actually place (this is huge for me lol), and I placed in silver 1. every single tank in gold and below who thinks they're not getting healed enough isn't paying attention. there may be individual games where you get actual dps supports (and in gold and below, that's usually not going to end well for anyone), but for the most part, you get SO much healing as a tank lol supports pump almost all their resources into the tank. as a tank who definitely needs the extra help, I love it, I'm not going to lie, but as a support main in a significantly higher rank on my main role, I know they're healing me way too much lol
17:19 this made my day I love u emongg 😭😭😭
“I’m not getting healed. Better swap to a brawl tank that really needs a lot of healing.”-this tank probably.
Also, as Emongg pointed out, it’s not like they’re not getting healed. But if I’m playing tank (and I’m no expert tank, mind you) and I feel like I’m not getting enough healing, I switch to a tank I feel more confident with, that I feel will give me better survivability. Because that tank (for me) is Sigma, it often forces me to think more about my positioning, as opposed to when I play my more “active” tanks like DVA or JQ.
I think the main reason why they could push so well was Mei. The CC secured a lot of kills around the cart, and the walls forced a lot of Mei + Hog + Support vs 1. In the last push this was really relevant. Zarya and Reaper got seperated a lot and Widows line of sight was broken a lot.
This format would be interesting from a support point of view. So you see how much heal you get, when you break line of sight, for how long and how the support could have won the teamfight if he was not healing all the time.
That was certainly some tank gameplay we saw. It looked like they were haphazardly pressing all their buttons whenever they had them
In silver i often get tanks like this. Not all the time of course. But with tank being the way it is, and people playing like this. I refuse to rely on my tank at all.
Same, I'm a support main trying to climb out of silver and I've learned that the best thing I can do to help my team out with tanks like this is to let them die if they try and 1 v 5 or over extend.
honestly, that will help you build good support habits. I learned to stop expecting help from my team AKA expecting them to read my mind and have an above-silver understanding of their role, my role, and the game as a whole, and that's how I climbed out of silver back in the day.
That overtime whole hog was 100% the reason he thought he was the hard carry in that game and decided to send it in.
So many times when he had people low and just stopped attacking them and searched for a new target letting them get healed
I am so down for more Emongg interactive teaching segments lmfao
i loved the explanation 17:15 😭😭
Always a good day when there's a spectating tank video.
Personally I had a problem with the Zarya not bubbling their teammates enough; the Reaper was up front with them and they just didn’t bubble Reaper
The green screen part killed me. Love you emongg 😅😅
Forget the review video we need a live action version of emong showing how to play the game 😂
That thumbnail makes me laugh😂
Gotta love this target priority lmao.
The entire time supports and damages are even closer to them than the tank, yet ooga booga brain says “shoot tank that’s getting pocketed by both supports”
Ah yes, the classic of not knowing when to back up when your teammates are dead and blame someone else for your shortcomings.
What these supports experienced this game, is the classic support experience in OW2 till Diamond :D
I'm in diamond and let me tell you... it still happens here. I had a JQ complain about not being healed while she ran in 1v4 while both supports were respawning. The tank then switched to rein and dove in and complained that Ana/Mercy didn't heal him while he was
1. in their backline
and
2. Behind a sigma shield
he fell over in 3 seconds and died, while flaming supports the entire game.
@@FusseIkuchenthere is always some outliers in diamond, but the support hate is a lot less.
This tank is allergic to corners
The greenscreen guide on how cover works made my day.
I feel like Tanks have the problem where some games they get double pocketed and just run over the enemy team, which causes them to get a massive ego that makes them lose when they aren't getting double pocketed in games.
When he repeats things over & over... "theres a reaper, theres a rea-, theres a reaper on cart" lolll
Love how every other spectating vid is just “no heals”
This tank had many opportunities to easily kill the enemy mercy but ignored them 😂
Even in high plat I get tanks like this. And I get screamed at because they feed their asses off and I'm trying my damnest to keep their silly ass up
"Couldn't get kills because of no heals" Then explain 2:27 please. That ashe was the freest kill ever and zarya was getting healed. Ashe is half and still in range? Nah fuck it lets just walk between cart and go out of LOS.
The hyper-focusing on the enemy tank was frustrating to see.
I watch these videos to make myself feel better about my own gameplay, bevause holy smokes the ego on these clown players is insane
He's on Hog, gets Sigma ulted, and instead of using Breather to mitigate a bunch of damage from the fall, he instead uses it after to heal back a portion of what he lost. And meanwhile he was pretty low and could have been burst down if the other team had been coordinated.
Also, LOL at a tank player who seems to think it's their job to just fight the enemy tank. Why do SOOOO many tank players get sucked into that tank versus tank battle mindset when that enemy tank will NEVER die as long as the rest of their team is up? They'd be MUCH more valuable helping to kill the squishier non tank targets and only focus the enemy tank when either 1) a significant amount of the enemy team is dead, or 2) the enemy tank has clearly fucked up and has made themselves super vulnerable to being picked off.
THE FRUSTRATION OF HIM ONLY LOOKING AT THE ENEMY TANK THE WHOLE GAME WHILE A REAPER IS KILLING HIS TEAMMATES BEHIND HIM
Love watching the vids. Fun, funny and educational. 🔥🙌🎮
A big problem is the constant brawls with the other tank, they’re just feeding the enemy supports, ult charge. Surely they could split the healers’ focus more by targeting the DPS and/or Support players and then focusing the tank once their back line is finished.
I also love that a dps had to go Mei to provide more cover for the tank
As a silver support, i can confirm this is what most tanks in this rank are like 😭 i end up having to pocket heal 70% of tanks and they always end up yelling at us saying were the worst supports they’ve ever played with while i literally cant heal them the whole time if i want our dps to stay alive
First engagement in that first fight I already knew 😂 like siiiiirrrr where are you goooooing 🤣
I love the green screen addition so much
2things that stood out to me were illaris will have there pylon on the hold or choke so if your out of range between it and the enemies you cannot expect heals bc you are not with your team anymore and illaris or support in general have the best idea where the team is for many reasons
2was his focus of the enemy tank and not trying to pull the squishies to the front line instead just focusing the tank
the tank seems to be confused for a good amount of time
In the comp on first round, teammates would most likely be better as you can poke and use the pylon, then when the sym and reaper go in, nemesis form to pressure as well
Who else loved the infomercial Emongg part way thru
That green screen segment is the best addition to these spectating
As a support main wallowing away in High silver/ low gold, this provided much needed catharsis. Thank you.
I genuinely hope a lot more tanks with “heal issues” watch these videos. These are the tanks I usually get when I queue for support
i do love when my tank goes head on low health into a hanzo basically the fastest way to die
Ana main here, I will say that even as a support who can heal long distance, put an enemy to sleep, and anti-heal and heal roughly 100 HP if I throw the bio well from where I am compared to you.. even I can't save someone like this from their own stupidity. Especially if I'm reloading and trying to help keep everyone else from dying :| Watching this person's positioning just gave me an aneurism, no walls to block damage, no terrain to rotate around and disorient enemies, all the way in the open just eating shots..
Oh it’s a tank oh wait the tanks gone where’d they go!
I just love the reenactment so much :D
From my mmr wild travel having a mixture of diamond to gold teammates, I, a main Ana was asked from a Rammatra to not heal dps and let them get health packs and wondered why I had dmg as “healer”
No needed to say we won the game with him being dead like 60% of the time, going nemesis mode at the pure Leroy Jenkins style
it's nice coming from other competitive shooters. My first two weeks of playing Overwatch (with a decent amount of watching pros) I was able to get to plat 2 within a few days. Sad to see people play this game for years and still be stuck in silver. It's unfortunate because that can easily be fixed by just acknowledging the things you mentioned in this video. It's how I got to masters in Apex. I do also think season 9 trying to minimize the need for pockets is good.
not gonna mention how he used his swing as junker queen about 200 times and connected on none of them cause theyre a football field away???
I appreciate that when you give feed back there is very little "you need to land hooks" or "you need to aim better" because comments like that are obvious and don't really add anything
17:22 I never thought I would get to see this 😂
It sure is a drag having to wait until bingo fridays but it's always worth it.
Im only 9 minutes in snd the 2nd round is just starting, but some big things I'm also seeing that do not involve a healer issue are: Cooldowns aren't being managed properly and theres no real value in them. For example on Junker Queen I'm seeing a lot of Gracie and Carbage just being used and nothing is getting hit. Gracie is being DM'd and it just comes back. Gotta use it to pull someone into Carnage (you can cancel Gracie into Carnage as a combo), then get that pick and peel the enemy away from fhe team. Carnage is being swung and not connecting at all.
There's also already been multiple occasions of just running by squishies and focusing the tank when you could have gotten an elim and potentially won the fight, but focusing the tank while NOT getting the elim is just fueling their support ults.
Also gotta work on the aim a bit, seems like you're getting a bit too flustered and you're all over the place. Calm down, focus, and take your time on hitting your shots.
Sorry for the rant, i feel a lot like Emong and wanna help and not roast lol 😅
Ya when I'm tanking I feel like it's important to keep the tanks attention while targeting a healer. Sometimes just letting healers know you will shoot them will totally change the dynamics of the fight.
0:40 I knew what the problem was going to be 10 seconds into the game lmao
Are we not going to talk about the 5% hook accuracy?
At least he was consistently late... as in he kept aiming where they were, with a projectile (projectiles take time to travel, LOL)
This tank must have Emongg heated to be getting out of his chair like that! 😂😂😂
Never Tony Hawk the cart, man.
This is like when a Silver Rhein charges into a 1 v 5 swings 2x and then dies and screams they had no heals.
this feels like a reality show
I’m glad he brought up getting a MEGA health pack as an option. Too many people keep blaming supports but also shut down using a health pack as a “waste of time”
ok but why was he allergic to looking at the reaper during that last push lmao
Idk if anybody notices, but this tank is damage dumping on the enemy tank instead of the squishies. That’s why they’re falling over and over
It drives me crazy that he backs away from his hooks. I count at least 3 easy kills he threw away because the S key was stuck down the entire game
YESSS MORE GREEN SCREEN!!!!!😂❤
Hello Emongg, your content is always entertaining and sometimes even educational which is awesome!
The only this I wish is for you to have chat in these videos under your face cam. Some of your videos have chat while others don’t. Personally, I much prefer with the extra bit of “interaction” having chat adds
Pretty common for the low ranks, they over rely on healing to enable their bad positioning. That's why it went better for them on Hog because now you have two supports + Hog healing to keep them up while they stand out in the open taking tons of damage. Also they don't seem the know the map cause there was at least a couple times they could of gotten healh packs to stay alive and didn't even try. Target prio needs work too, they're hyper focused on the tank when they had some easy picks on the Mercy and other squishy targets. Hog is great at denying rez but they never did that
that zarya: im wasting my bubble :D