What I normally pack in my "Buttpack", field pack-training. I forgot to show, but the poncho either gets rolled and put under the lid or the straps on the bottom.
Great vid! It is good to see the old butt pack getting some attention. I was issued my first one around 1977 or so. The whole LBE set was the old cotton web version, M1956 if I remember correctly. I loved the old cottons stuff it was so much more comfortable to wear that the later nylon gear. We used the butt pack for short operations, a day or two. I usually carried rations, extra socks, toiletries and a few little personal items. The poncho was rolled and strapped to the bottom of the pack. All the loose extra ends of the strapping was rolled neatly on itself so it did'nt dangle. This was when I was in a Air Mobile unit. When I was assigned to the First I.D. (mech) I never saw butt packs. We operated out of Medium rucks. I bought a complete set of cotton LBE and wore it for my entire career until I ETSed after the first Gulf War. I still have it.
The canvas stuff does have a cool look to it. I just ordered a Rothco H harness to use for hiking. Looking forward to trying it since I was always issued nylon. it is very interesting that the Amy adopted the butt pack just as it started to become more ground and air mobile. It's actually dangerous for a team inside an APC to wear butt packs because it makes fast exit very hard. It's especially hard (impossible?) for the driver. Airmobile on the Huey was OK because they generally didn't pack them full of people. I see people all the time carrying butt packs that stick out way too far to be "tactical." It's funny.
In case you are interested. The side pouch on the canteen cover was originally designed to carry a bottle of iodine tablets when they use issue them. Just a little history on one of pieces of equipment, even some you tubers my age don't seem to know. Scouts Out!
Not my place to criticize anyone here. It's your Filed pack and if you want to stuff it with Playboy Magazines, or cigarettes or booze . . . I'm sure soldiers have done it. LOL But the Feild Pack (aka "butt pack") was really designed to be very light component of the very light M1956 Load Carrying Equipment. it was modified in the 1960s because Vietnam showed that cotton didn't wear well in the tropics. The M1967 MCLE (Modernized LCE) was all nylon. It was officially phased out after ALICE was introduced in 1973. But throughout the short, 17-year span when it was "official" the guidance was the same . . . first a little food (the C-ration was smaller than the WW2 K-ration and could fit the butt pack). But extreme heat cuts down on hunger so preferred carry was cans of fruit. Next would be a pair of socks. A poncho would be attached on top or on the bottom. And that, believe it or not, was pretty much it. A mess kit and more food might be carried in training but generally, never used outside of training. You always have to remember that the Field Pack / Butt Pack . . . Like the m1945/M1944/M1936 and other models before it, date pack to the Mexican War haversack. The haversack was a special bag the soldier wore to carry his food. So, if you think about it, a soldier had his canteen for water and his bag of food and then a bedroll of some kind and maybe part of a tent. Food, Water, Shelter. A haversack with food could not carry much else. This has been proven by reenactors who try to carry three-days worth of Civil War rations and find their haversack is too small. We used to know that but modern "bushcrafters" have turned the haversack into a Man Purse full of goodies. I think the same thing has been done to the poor Field Pack. So where does all that other stuff you showed get carried? Well, that's why ALICE was adopted in 1973. The Rucksack eliminated the need for the Field Pack. It's why the harness was changed from the H version to the Y version. People carry butt packs with Y version harness but it was never designed for that. The Y harness was strictly designed to help carry water and ammo around your waist. What about food? It went into the ruck along with other goodies. Finally . . . I'll just say that even though the Butt Pack was "officially phased out" in 1973, there were millions of them out there and the Army kept issuing them. So soldiers DID use them with the Y strap and did pack them full. Bottom line, I'm saying that even though I think you have too much in there . . . you're not wrong. LOL If you can hump it then take it. Soldiers make use of what they have and as long as it doesn't make a lot of noise or impede with your ability to fight . . . go for it. We saw that in the Civil War where solders abandoned their Packs and just carried a simple rolled up blanket with small items inside. Hope that all makes sense!
Mine's much the same, though my Vietnam-era butt pack has started to rip... Why not put the 1st aid pouch on the belt, and use the inner tube straps AKA "Ranger Bands" to keep the flashlight strapped to the upper front of the LBE suspender? That way you don't have to unpack to get at either.
A Co, 2/505th PIR, 82nd Airborne Division, 1970's~early 80's standard battalion packing list for the "Buttpack"; 1 each C Ration or two LRRP meals when available, 1 each weapons cleaning kit, 25 feet of 550 paracord, 1 each bandolier 210rounds 5.56mm NATO clipped (deployment only), 4 each extra 1st Aid Bandages, 1 each styrette Morphine when authorized by Regimental Surgeon (deployment only), 1 each NBC Decon kit w/ Atropine and 2-Pam Chloride auto-injectors (deployment only), Poncho attached to outside of pack. If you have room, stuff as many hand grenades in there as possible in addition to the four on your LBE. All other equipment and ammo attached to belt or suspender harness, or in large Alice rucksack. Socks were always carried in the ruck, along with toiletry items, clothing, more ammo, claymores, water, and batteries; average weight of ruck between 80 and 100 pounds, sometimes more. Following the advent of the Maglite, no one carried the right-angle army flashlight, instead the more compact and durable mini-mag was the favorite. Best Wishes to Colonel Nightingale, and Command Sergeant Major Forbes, wherever you are!!! AATW/RLTW/DOL 🏴☠
Which is why during Grenada, the 82nd moved at a snail's pace while the USMC zipped around the island and conquered the place. The main complaint of WW2 paratroopers using the M1936 was that when they carried ammo, it threw the M1936 Suspenders out of whack. Sounds like the 82nd didn't learn much from that, BTW, the Army issued a ruck with external frame in the 1960s prior to ALICE. Troopers in Vietnam would wear the external frame and tie all that stuff you carried to it. It worked well because it shifted the weight higher on their backs, was well ventilated and could be dropped in a second. i was a much better solution that stuffing the butt pack. Of course, it wouldn't LOOK tidy so the 82nd of today wouldn't think it matched its Hollywood image. LOL I still hike with just an aluminum frame. A DIY Roycroft frame or H frame will let you do the same.
I haven't seen Alice in like forever and im retired. Mollie will be easier on you. The Alice clips will start to be hard to get since they switched to Mollie. The clips go bad too. Id like to find some so i can refit my ww2 canteen set. Still to this day the m65 jacket pants and smock frankly was the best as fare as clothing go's and its because of the pockets. So what dose a retired soldier do with his gear? Of the gear he keeps. Go camping but its not for years after he opts out. The reason i like the stainless steel canteen set over that plastic jug and butter fly handles is. The jug tastes like plastic or mildew. Dose not seem to be an neutral area for that. Stainless you can disinfect many ways including boil. The cup. I like the handle on the ww2 version because you can use a fork so you don't burn your self. So all that being said. The stuff you have works good. Its just that the metal jugs are better. If you do get ww2 vintage jugs? Change the cork in the cap or your water will tast bad. The rest is easy. Oh don't use bb to clean old stuff out. Use pebbles. The vintage canteen had a powder coating in it. Both cup and canteen. That being said plastic bbs might work. But plastic will work. Now don't fall with that Alice rack for your ruck sack . Which is the real reason im speaking to you about mollie .plus its heavy stuff . If i was you id get the poncho not one but at least two. Best get all the clips you can. Stay away from the cruddy ones they like to either get loos or lock up. And they can stab you if you fall. Mollie don't do that. So what im saying is . Hike with Mollie and she won't hurt you. Alice can get mean if you trip up. Be safe and enjoy your gear. It can be fun if your safe. Make as many videos as you please. What you are doing brings joy to me . Why? Because to see the young want to dress and be like one that has served and mabey join some day is to see the valour all soldiers fight bleed and die for. The right to be free and be all you can be. That go's for them kids that dress up in surplus and dig holes. Where helmets and pretend to be in a war. That is the valor i fought for. So one day i could watch some kid dress up like me as i did when i was a kid as my uncal that served ww2 watched me play. Thoe my gear was mixed between ww2 korea and Vietnam. Until i joined then it was all a storm. Have fun. That is what is important. Just have fun.
I ran through the jungles of Quantico with that 782 gear back in the 90’s. Now, retired by almost 20 years from the USMC and now I carry 5.11 gear and still get danger pay OCONUS…. 👻
What a nice collection of 782 gear. Brought back sweet memories of the Corps (USMC 1977-1983). Do you have a Cammenga in the compass pouch? Just curious… I still have my butt-pack, but everything else has been either given away or traded. We carried our poncho on the outside of the butt-pack. Rolled up and secured with the straps on the bottom. Thanks for the video. 👍🏼👍🏼🇺🇸
@@1990schaplain In 2016, I had to replace the one I got issued to me in 1980. It had become cloudy after 36 years. But the fluorescent quality was still there. I replaced it with a tritium model. But I will swear by the reliability of a compass made by Cammenga. Even after 36 years, and getting cloudy, it still worked perfectly.
Don't know about you guys but we use to cut down a wet weather bag to fit. 2 pairs of socks, 2 underwear, 3mre/ snacks, woobie and hammock. Rolled up underneath was a causality blanket with ridge line and tent stakes or body bag( not sop, shit I found in an annex and was a boy scout ) . On top the rolled poncho.
The older gen alice is less expensive than molle. I own the LC1 and LC2 Ruck with frames and a fully outfitted duece (I actually run 2 buttpacks on my duece, the d rings on the shoulder straps hold it great. for 3 day hikes and scouting) I also have a large tote of various antenna pouches, hatchet pouches, sleep carriers, saw pouches etc and still have maybe, being genourous, 500 USD In every bit of that gear. You couldnt touch one complete molle riflemans kit for that.
@@abandonedotter4270 oh. I understand. Its not like i would not have the rig you have. And if i did have what you have. I would keep and get all of it. But olso i would collect the new Mollie as well. As a collection. If i was you i would search for the old strap packs. They are hard to find and i think you might enjoy having one if not just for posterity.
Was an IN officer 87-91 and now volunteer as a Chaplain for the Georgia State Defense Force. Molle is neat, but ALICE webbing and buttpacks are way more awesome. Did you have family who served in the 80s and 90s?
I was active duty then. I am a hospice and GA State Defense Force chaplain now. Have many friends and mentors who were active duty then who are retired 05-08 chaplains. My Chap at Camp Greaves ROK, has been a good friend ever since.
Great vid! It is good to see the old butt pack getting some attention. I was issued my first one around 1977 or so. The whole LBE set was the old cotton web version, M1956 if I remember correctly. I loved the old cottons stuff it was so much more comfortable to wear that the later nylon gear. We used the butt pack for short operations, a day or two. I usually carried rations, extra socks, toiletries and a few little personal items. The poncho was rolled and strapped to the bottom of the pack. All the loose extra ends of the strapping was rolled neatly on itself so it did'nt dangle. This was when I was in a Air Mobile unit. When I was assigned to the First I.D. (mech) I never saw butt packs. We operated out of Medium rucks. I bought a complete set of cotton LBE and wore it for my entire career until I ETSed after the first Gulf War. I still have it.
The canvas stuff does have a cool look to it. I just ordered a Rothco H harness to use for hiking. Looking forward to trying it since I was always issued nylon. it is very interesting that the Amy adopted the butt pack just as it started to become more ground and air mobile. It's actually dangerous for a team inside an APC to wear butt packs because it makes fast exit very hard. It's especially hard (impossible?) for the driver. Airmobile on the Huey was OK because they generally didn't pack them full of people. I see people all the time carrying butt packs that stick out way too far to be "tactical." It's funny.
You can restore the rubber coating on the buttpack liner with flex seal spray. I used it on a couple of my Alice pack covers, works great!
Yes, I have done that to my Alice pack lid and plan to do it also for my buttpack this summer.
Whoa. Thanks for the tip!
Wore this gear during the drug wars 91-99 in the jungles of the PNW. Still got a full set
Vilseck Germany, 93-96. Still have mine but upgraded to a Eagle Industries MOLLE H Harness and use it mostly for hiking.
In case you are interested. The side pouch on the canteen cover was originally designed to carry a bottle of iodine tablets when they use issue them.
Just a little history on one of pieces of equipment, even some you tubers my age don't seem to know.
Scouts Out!
Yes, I have two bottle, I put those in some times.
Thanks for clearing this up because when you Google "what to pack in your butt pack" you get totally different search results 😬
Buttpacking can be easily misconstrued
Thank you for sharing! 👍
WoW young man! I just ran across this video & half way through I became a subscriber. I hope the rest are this good. 🤞🏼👍🏼
Not my place to criticize anyone here. It's your Filed pack and if you want to stuff it with Playboy Magazines, or cigarettes or booze . . . I'm sure soldiers have done it. LOL
But the Feild Pack (aka "butt pack") was really designed to be very light component of the very light M1956 Load Carrying Equipment. it was modified in the 1960s because Vietnam showed that cotton didn't wear well in the tropics. The M1967 MCLE (Modernized LCE) was all nylon. It was officially phased out after ALICE was introduced in 1973. But throughout the short, 17-year span when it was "official" the guidance was the same . . . first a little food (the C-ration was smaller than the WW2 K-ration and could fit the butt pack). But extreme heat cuts down on hunger so preferred carry was cans of fruit. Next would be a pair of socks. A poncho would be attached on top or on the bottom. And that, believe it or not, was pretty much it. A mess kit and more food might be carried in training but generally, never used outside of training.
You always have to remember that the Field Pack / Butt Pack . . . Like the m1945/M1944/M1936 and other models before it, date pack to the Mexican War haversack. The haversack was a special bag the soldier wore to carry his food. So, if you think about it, a soldier had his canteen for water and his bag of food and then a bedroll of some kind and maybe part of a tent. Food, Water, Shelter.
A haversack with food could not carry much else. This has been proven by reenactors who try to carry three-days worth of Civil War rations and find their haversack is too small. We used to know that but modern "bushcrafters" have turned the haversack into a Man Purse full of goodies. I think the same thing has been done to the poor Field Pack.
So where does all that other stuff you showed get carried? Well, that's why ALICE was adopted in 1973. The Rucksack eliminated the need for the Field Pack. It's why the harness was changed from the H version to the Y version. People carry butt packs with Y version harness but it was never designed for that. The Y harness was strictly designed to help carry water and ammo around your waist.
What about food? It went into the ruck along with other goodies.
Finally . . . I'll just say that even though the Butt Pack was "officially phased out" in 1973, there were millions of them out there and the Army kept issuing them. So soldiers DID use them with the Y strap and did pack them full.
Bottom line, I'm saying that even though I think you have too much in there . . . you're not wrong. LOL If you can hump it then take it. Soldiers make use of what they have and as long as it doesn't make a lot of noise or impede with your ability to fight . . . go for it. We saw that in the Civil War where solders abandoned their Packs and just carried a simple rolled up blanket with small items inside.
Hope that all makes sense!
I think all I ever carried in mine were c rations and a rifle cleaning kit
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Mine's much the same, though my Vietnam-era butt pack has started to rip...
Why not put the 1st aid pouch on the belt, and use the inner tube straps AKA "Ranger Bands" to keep the flashlight strapped to the upper front of the LBE suspender? That way you don't have to unpack to get at either.
A Co, 2/505th PIR, 82nd Airborne Division, 1970's~early 80's standard battalion packing list for the "Buttpack"; 1 each C Ration or two LRRP meals when available, 1 each weapons cleaning kit, 25 feet of 550 paracord, 1 each bandolier 210rounds 5.56mm NATO clipped (deployment only), 4 each extra 1st Aid Bandages, 1 each styrette Morphine when authorized by Regimental Surgeon (deployment only), 1 each NBC Decon kit w/ Atropine and 2-Pam Chloride auto-injectors (deployment only), Poncho attached to outside of pack. If you have room, stuff as many hand grenades in there as possible in addition to the four on your LBE. All other equipment and ammo attached to belt or suspender harness, or in large Alice rucksack. Socks were always carried in the ruck, along with toiletry items, clothing, more ammo, claymores, water, and batteries; average weight of ruck between 80 and 100 pounds, sometimes more. Following the advent of the Maglite, no one carried the right-angle army flashlight, instead the more compact and durable mini-mag was the favorite. Best Wishes to Colonel Nightingale, and Command Sergeant Major Forbes, wherever you are!!! AATW/RLTW/DOL 🏴☠
Which is why during Grenada, the 82nd moved at a snail's pace while the USMC zipped around the island and conquered the place. The main complaint of WW2 paratroopers using the M1936 was that when they carried ammo, it threw the M1936 Suspenders out of whack. Sounds like the 82nd didn't learn much from that,
BTW, the Army issued a ruck with external frame in the 1960s prior to ALICE. Troopers in Vietnam would wear the external frame and tie all that stuff you carried to it. It worked well because it shifted the weight higher on their backs, was well ventilated and could be dropped in a second. i was a much better solution that stuffing the butt pack.
Of course, it wouldn't LOOK tidy so the 82nd of today wouldn't think it matched its Hollywood image. LOL
I still hike with just an aluminum frame. A DIY Roycroft frame or H frame will let you do the same.
You’re a kid but a very intelligent kid, Good work mate.
I haven't seen Alice in like forever and im retired. Mollie will be easier on you. The Alice clips will start to be hard to get since they switched to Mollie. The clips go bad too. Id like to find some so i can refit my ww2 canteen set. Still to this day the m65 jacket pants and smock frankly was the best as fare as clothing go's and its because of the pockets. So what dose a retired soldier do with his gear? Of the gear he keeps. Go camping but its not for years after he opts out. The reason i like the stainless steel canteen set over that plastic jug and butter fly handles is. The jug tastes like plastic or mildew. Dose not seem to be an neutral area for that. Stainless you can disinfect many ways including boil. The cup. I like the handle on the ww2 version because you can use a fork so you don't burn your self. So all that being said. The stuff you have works good. Its just that the metal jugs are better. If you do get ww2 vintage jugs? Change the cork in the cap or your water will tast bad. The rest is easy. Oh don't use bb to clean old stuff out. Use pebbles. The vintage canteen had a powder coating in it. Both cup and canteen. That being said plastic bbs might work. But plastic will work. Now don't fall with that Alice rack for your ruck sack . Which is the real reason im speaking to you about mollie .plus its heavy stuff . If i was you id get the poncho not one but at least two. Best get all the clips you can. Stay away from the cruddy ones they like to either get loos or lock up. And they can stab you if you fall. Mollie don't do that. So what im saying is . Hike with Mollie and she won't hurt you. Alice can get mean if you trip up. Be safe and enjoy your gear. It can be fun if your safe. Make as many videos as you please. What you are doing brings joy to me . Why? Because to see the young want to dress and be like one that has served and mabey join some day is to see the valour all soldiers fight bleed and die for. The right to be free and be all you can be. That go's for them kids that dress up in surplus and dig holes. Where helmets and pretend to be in a war. That is the valor i fought for. So one day i could watch some kid dress up like me as i did when i was a kid as my uncal that served ww2 watched me play. Thoe my gear was mixed between ww2 korea and Vietnam. Until i joined then it was all a storm. Have fun. That is what is important. Just have fun.
You can get Alice S clips on ebay. Most other alice gear also. Fairly inexpensive.
I ran through the jungles of Quantico with that 782 gear back in the 90’s. Now, retired by almost 20 years from the USMC and now I carry 5.11 gear and still get danger pay OCONUS…. 👻
We pack very differently... 😮
Oh wow. I remember those.
What a nice collection of 782 gear.
Brought back sweet memories of the Corps (USMC 1977-1983).
Do you have a Cammenga in the compass pouch? Just curious…
I still have my butt-pack, but everything else has been either given away or traded.
We carried our poncho on the outside of the butt-pack. Rolled up and secured with the straps on the bottom.
Thanks for the video.
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Yes I have a lensatic compass.
@@1990schaplain
In 2016, I had to replace the one I got issued to me in 1980. It had become cloudy after 36 years. But the fluorescent quality was still there. I replaced it with a tritium model.
But I will swear by the reliability of a compass made by Cammenga. Even after 36 years, and getting cloudy, it still worked perfectly.
Don't know about you guys but we use to cut down a wet weather bag to fit. 2 pairs of socks, 2 underwear, 3mre/ snacks, woobie and hammock. Rolled up underneath was a causality blanket with ridge line and tent stakes or body bag( not sop, shit I found in an annex and was a boy scout ) . On top the rolled poncho.
Still playing with Alice when you could be playing with Mollie. Do your self a favor and get stainless steel canteen set. The water stays colder .
The older gen alice is less expensive than molle. I own the LC1 and LC2 Ruck with frames and a fully outfitted duece (I actually run 2 buttpacks on my duece, the d rings on the shoulder straps hold it great. for 3 day hikes and scouting) I also have a large tote of various antenna pouches, hatchet pouches, sleep carriers, saw pouches etc and still have maybe, being genourous, 500 USD In every bit of that gear. You couldnt touch one complete molle riflemans kit for that.
@@abandonedotter4270 oh. I understand. Its not like i would not have the rig you have. And if i did have what you have. I would keep and get all of it. But olso i would collect the new Mollie as well. As a collection. If i was you i would search for the old strap packs. They are hard to find and i think you might enjoy having one if not just for posterity.
If you wear your first aid kit, flashlight and gloves on your harness you will have room for more stuff in the pack.
Need to figure out some other place for the flashlight, don't want to fall on it in that configuration.
Yeah...I also place it on my y-straps, its just when I have my rucksack that I put it in the buttpack.
@@AJPlana good idea
I always move my stuff around, it just depends on if I have my Alice pack with me.
A parka, watch cap, gloves and extra socks?
Cool!
Was an IN officer 87-91 and now volunteer as a Chaplain for the Georgia State Defense Force. Molle is neat, but ALICE webbing and buttpacks are way more awesome. Did you have family who served in the 80s and 90s?
Yes my Grandfather was a Chaplain 1988-2014.
I was active duty then. I am a hospice and GA State Defense Force chaplain now. Have many friends and mentors who were active duty then who are retired 05-08 chaplains. My Chap at Camp Greaves ROK, has been a good friend ever since.