Where Have All The Teachers Gone? | Michelle Schwartze | TEDxMissouriS&T
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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2022
- Ways that education has dealt with current events and how COVID-19 is impacting education today, specifically in the area of teacher shortage. Education has been a passion of Dr. Schwartze as evidenced by her nineteen years as an educator. She spent thirteen of those years teaching middle school, ranging from grades five to eight, and the last six years as an assistant teaching professor for pre-service teachers. Schwartze’s talk will cover ways that education has dealt with current events and how COVID-19 is impacting education today, specifically in the area of teacher shortage. Outside of teaching, she enjoys spending time with her husband and two children. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
Teacher Shortage? You mean a shortage of respect for teachers! You mean a shortage of fair pay! There is no shortage of teachers. We are just tired.
Well said!
Preach 🙏
Agreed!
There is a shortage of good teachers.
@@lauranowak6359 that's because they allow the mediocre out of college to become teachers.
Where have we gone? We’re still out here, watching, and hope everyone figures it out. I for one would like to return. But I’ve raised my standards, so we’ll see if/how things really change. This isn’t exactly what I was expecting when I got a masters degree to teach, but life does throw us some curveballs. Parents, local, and state admin need to get it together for the kid’s sake.
Teachers are watching this to know where all the ex-teachers went so they can go there too. 😂😂😂
Fema camp?
Human trafficked most likely
On their back working nonstop in Cuba or Africa or more likely Asia!!
Yup
To remote & online careers! 😁 Missing the kids is the only downside. Double the pay is the pro. Was never a teacher for the pay & working multiple jobs. I saw another teacher & his wife mention it and I started looking for cloud engineering type jobs and catered my resume… took a simple course although it’s not necessary. You can even work part time… the pay and benefits are still great! The appreciation level is different because they need high quality workers and we have experience working hybrid, we are educated… here are just a few of my reimagined nuggets! 😂
“In my previous position I provided high quality customer service, I provided essential support and collaboration to our team members through multiple platforms, I experienced working under intense pressure and I am equipped to do so.
I have previously been an industry analysts for our customers service through digital on call marketing services.
I have essential abilities to present assessments to & for my team members in lieu of annual reviews and training to ensure as a way to improve positive feedback and results. I am well equipped to monitor systematic usages of device data served by staff or team. I have the ability to delegate commands and tasks of knowledge of “……
Just use what we have done for years for your good and goals honey!
What do I find that kind of job?
My daughters school is switching to 4 day school week. Im hoping the teachers will be getting a raise as well . They work so hard they all deserve it ❤
so the teacher will work less and you want them to get more money? good business' module for the government
Well they'd still have to work that 5th day. It'll just be a day without the students. It's called a work day where the teacher comes in and plans and does PD and meetings and what not.
@@iliebelieveme502 obviously you're not a public school teacher. Most teacher's salaries are way below the national average not to mention the amount of hours they put in that are not compensated for.
We are still here. Just finding a place where we will be valued. Educators aren’t martyrs and shouldn’t be expected to be.
S. Korea is a really good place to be a teacher. In much of the EU actual teaching hours are 20 or less, the rest of the time is for prep and paperwork. Sports and other extra circular activities are ran by organisations outside of schools, teacher are not expected to be coaches. Cannot imagine teaching in the US again.
Not a martyr.
Also:
Students are not my kids bc they did not come through of my birth canal. I only have 2 kids.
Not spending money on students any longer only on my daughter who is still a minor.
Not doing anything extra for a district that disrespects its teachers by refusing to give them a living wage for starters.
Not allowing to be exploited
Not going to allow admin, parents, and students try to blame me for things that are completely out of my control (this includes test scores)
Not allowing society to expect teachers to be every social service employee known to man.
@@inthevault9603 Thanks a million, bien dicho!
@@inthevault9603 I have felt the exact same way but also angry bc I hated how teaching made me feel…such a far cry from who I knew myself to be. I didn’t know how to NOT let it get to me, and internalized all of these failures as my own until I figured out it was NOT me. That took time. My career was exhausting and largely unfulfilling. Live and learn.
At the end of the day, teachers just don't want to have mental break downs every day of the week
You nailed it.
You started teaching the same year I did. So much has changed for the worse since then. Nobody wants to be a teacher anymore. Those few of us left are carrying burdens we never dreamed of. More than half of the people teaching at my school are long-term substitutes. I’m gravely concerned about the quality of education our students are receiving.
I taught for 13 years in the brick and mortar as a Special Education teacher. I left in July 2020. I left because the paperwork had become worse and the lack of support from the principal and some of the members from the Special Education department. Now, I am building my business as a financial advisor.
I started teaching in the '90s and this will be my last year. I cannot do it anymore. Horrible pay, no support, being scratched, bit and slapped by 3 and 4 year olds with no consequences and no support. Physical abusive is happening towards teachers on a regular basis. You can only take so much before saying, "enough is enough". I've had enough.
OMG! I retired after teaching 18 years in an urban environment, having become an educator as a second career that I did along with being a professional musician. It's insanity in these schools, and I don't see anything that will make it change.
As a 2nd career teacher, I recently made it to my 10th year, so thankfully I'm now vested in TRS. Quite honestly, I don't think I can last much longer - the kids are out of control and the district makes it next to impossible for administration to send the worst of them to alternative school.
All I do is document inappropriate behavior that goes absolutely nowhere. It simply wears you down and questions your integrity as an educator.
The reason I left teaching was not what came with Covid and the year after is not what made me leave teaching. It is the teacher evaluation system that the district was starting to use. Was told it wasn't being used as punishment or I got you but help improve teaching skills. That is not how it was used. It was away to micromanage and an instrument to make a person feel less than human. It is an instrument to put every teacher in the same box and teach exactly the same way. I was not a new teacher but a veteran teacher. This made a person feel less valued and not respected as an individual and a professional teacher. I loved teaching and was very passionate about it for many years.
Try being in your 27th year and receiving your lowest evaluation ever, from your fifth Principal, who is a micromanager with almost no people skills and who backs up the students and parents almost automatically.
Was this a different evaluation system than the one that was written by Charlotte Danielson? A horror. I had to deal with a principal who used it like the Gospel.
I was nonrenewed under Charlotte Danielson, by a new administrator. The previous 22 years I taught I was rated as Distinguished.
Yes, many tmes the teacher evaluations were used as a punishment.
If I were to reapply to public school, I would make it known that I would be interviewing them and not the other way around. After 31 years as a special educator, I know my worth and what I am willing to accept.
Good teachers can teach anything as long as they aren't being assaulted by their students and spending the majority if their time "managing" classroom behavior...while administrators refuse to acknowledge the real reason teachers are leaving the profession while providing little support or respect for the teachers.
Amen! Such denial about the kids, many of whom are simply awful.
This^
I did my student teaching in 2016, but ended up dropping out because I couldn't handle the stress of all the testing standards. I love to think outside of the box and make education fun for the kids, but most school districts don't like that style of teaching. I knew tons of teachers before entering an education program, and they all told me not to become a teacher because of the direction of education. Then when Covid hit, I don't think I would have been able to handle all of the changes that took place. Over the past couple of years I have become intrigued with education around the world. I started researching education in Finland since they have the best education system in the world, and I was shocked at the fact that they don't have any homework. That and the kids are allowed to have fun while learning. I would have enjoyed school a lot more, if we had something similar to what Finland has.
You are right, districts don't like individual initiative from teachers. They want all teachers to follow their plan, the same way, every day. How has that gone? Education continues to slide downhill.
The US needs to look at what is working in Education in other countries. I have taught in four countries, the US, S. Korea, Sweden and Malaysia. By far the US Missouri school was the worst working conditions and the kids the least prepared for their grade level. No other country has as many teaching hours, class size is about average, no other place requires coaching or regular extra duties. No other place has mass shooter drills. Most other countries have about 20 planning hours, for teachers to prepare, in the US it is 5 hours. Sports are not provided by schools, they are ran by the government outside of school. The popular kids are the kids that work hard and get high grades, not the jocks. In Sweden, middle school students are not allowed to have more than one hour of home work per day. The subject teachers have to coordinate each other to make sure kids have have only two tests per week or other major assessments. Sweden has copied some of Finland's educational policies.
My "mentor" at my Missouri school was a wrestling coach, so he didn't have time for mentoring and told me he didn't. I had to coach soccer, both fall and spring, so I didn't have time for mentoring. My mentor in Sweden and my co-teacher in Korea would meet with me once a week and we would discuss what was working and what wasn't.
Let's not get too comparative to Finland in terms of education. A country of only 5 million people and one of the LEAST heterogenous populations out there. Comparing apples to zebras!
@@JerryDowst In the US, states and local school boards make most of the decisions, comparing US education to Finland based on population is valid. Finland has accepted many ,many refugee immigrants since the invasions of Iraq and Afganistan the Syrian civil war and now Putin's war is causing a flood of Ukrainiansand Russians fleeing.The argument they are a homogeneous population doesn't hold water either. Fox news uses that covert argument too.
@@shinnam Funny you bring up Fox News. I was simply looking at the population numbers. Finland does have an immigrant population of about 8.5%. By the math I learned in school, this would mean that 91.5% of the population of Finland is Finnish. White, Northern European Finnish. Pretty homogeneous. The US is nothing like this because we are a melting pot (whether you like it or not) of a much wider variety of immigrants. In Finland, students learn both Finnish and English throughout school. In the US we have ESOL programs up the wazoo, and many more students who simply do not speak English. So no, it's really not a good comparison.
@@JerryDowst Finland is a good comparison to parts of rural America. Taught in a rural Missouri school of 600 students, there was one "minority" student that was half Philippino. In the Kentucky schools I substitute taught in the minority population was less than around 5%. Marshall county Kentucky was a sundown county. It is still 96% white, now they do have a few Latinos because of tobacco farming. Centralia Missouri, the school I graduated from only had had two kids of a Peruvian Doctor, it is still 96% white. Maybe Finland isn't a good comparison since the have double the minority population.
Finland and Sweden in addition to having native languages and English teach mother tongue languages to immigrant children as it is believed that the more languages one speaks, The more benefits to a society.
@@shinnam You seem to be using the exception to prove the rule...not the best. Comparing a mostly white, Scandinavian country to the US is crazy. More people (and certainly diverse people) live in NYC or LA County than the entire population of Finland. So no, it's not even a close comparison.
It's because the government and heads of schools look at those teachers as slaves or robots that don't need breaks, and can just work non-stop with no life of their own. We are tired, we are stressed and we are DONE
Yeah, they think of it to be like an office job. Which office worker deals with 30 people for hours straight?
She points to the fact that special education teachers represent much of the shortages, but does she ever mention the paperwork that teachers are expected to do? Teachers have been complaining about this for years. These paperwork requirements are not organic, nor are they necessary for learning. They seem to serve three purposes: to justify admin jobs, to cover districts' legal butts, and to decrease sped costs by not filling positions -- because they cannot find or keep teachers!
Wow-- three teachers/adults in the same room?!? Amazing--that's a miracle
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I'm far more engaged with the comments than the talk itself. Priceless words from you all. I've been a teacher for 30 years and couldn't agree more even when living and working in a foreign country
The problem is teacher are to smart and figure out teaching isn’t the move . We get paid so little we are under appreciate and we are always to blame. The school system as lost placing accountability on the students and parents and less on the teachers. I only taught for one year and I rather work up north earning double or triple the salary despite the amount of work than be in school being degraded by administrators parents and students
They have really relaxed the standards for Ted Talks.
Did he even mention the number 1 reason for teacher shortage?! daily, classrooms are chaotic, students loud and disruptive, and can be violent... and nothing is done about it. And I mean nothing, zero help.
Well! That doesn't seem likely. I just watched a NYT piece on why teachers are leaving, and they explicitly mentioned that student behavior is not a reason, oh no, not a reason at all!
Academic training past the age of 13 should be for those who are academically inclined and no one else. For the majority who are violently anti-intellectual, poorly behaved, and incapable of reading up to grade level there should be trades training, meaning no further academic lectures which they would of course simply ignore. We have a fantasy school system in which we pretend to be teaching the uneducable which always turns into a farce. This fantasy system is furthered through the vehicle of social promotion in which non-learners are promoted to placate the anxious parents. You might’ve thought that this would be common knowledge by now but apparently it isn’t. So long as everyone continues to ignore the ongoing fiasco the regular certified teachers will continue bailing out to be replaced by permanent substitutes. Then when the permanent substitutes quit as well they in turn will need to be replaced by computers and then the public schools will devolve into online academy monitored by paid babysitters, whatever you choose to call the babysitters. Will those babysitters be required to have degrees? If so then I would recommend that they get their degrees in babysitting instead of academic subjects, because all they’re going to be doing is babysitting, just as if they’d gotten a job at a daycare center.
I do agree- trade school training should be brought back. Unfortunately, not everyone is an academic.
@@sharonkaysnowton There currently are lots of trades programs but typically starting long after they’re really needed. Kids should be assigned to the trades track once they’ve fallen more than two grades behind in reading starting as early as the age of twelve. In reality as much as half of all school kids should be in trades training by the tenth grade. But realistically, a shockingly high percentage of college graduates end up going into the trades eventually anyway owing to how middle management has been pancaked by the computer revolution not to mention how disagreeable much white collar work turns out to be.
@@sharonkaysnowton PS: There was an episode of CBS 60 Minutes which featured a medical doctor who got so fed up with the insurance companies that he quit to become a roofer!
@@marcmeinzer8859 Thank you Mr Meinzer for pointing that out to me. I agree- not everyone is an academic and trade school training should definitely be on the table. Be blessed.
@@marcmeinzer8859 Wow!!! That is a mind blower. Thank you for sharing this info. Be blessed.
Who’s paying you, Dr. Schwartze? When I know, then I’ll listen to your talk (or maybe not).
As a 20 year veteran desperately trying to find a way out, I can relate. (for the record, it wasn't the pandemic, it was how we were treated when we came back)
I do wonder what the retention rate is for less than highly qualified teachers. Do they stay in the system and pursue credentials?
There are good teaching jobs in other countries. Dave's ESL is a good place to start looking.
Empirical research shows that unqualified and under qualified teachers leave the field shortly after hire, and at a much higher rate than those who go through teacher preparation programs. Even so, many who go through professional training programs at institutes of higher learning today, still don't stay in the field long. Attrition rates range between 3-5 years. Special ed teacher attrition rates are even worse than general ed.
I would have left had I not found an itinerant special ed teaching position where i have more freedom. Consider online teaching.
As a country, we need to prioritize and fund Education just like we fund our defense budget. Stop politicians from using education as a way to advance their own agenda. Really! Learn from Finland education system or Singapore education system. Today's kids are the country's future.
She looks completely paid off
she defended common core
As a retired teacher who was forced into retirement in 2012,(toxic administration). Some of the things that are critical for teachers would be( of course),a teacher teacher pay raise, but just as important would be, more teacher aids in the classrooms, as well as not allowing administrators to place teachers aids in classrooms according to their whims. I know of no other profession where the employees are expected to do a critical job,but the administrators are able to move support staff around at a whim.
In any profession it's terrific to have dedicated enthusiastic staff. However, no profession except teaching, not ever medicine, expects miracle workers.
The culture needs to change. That is the primary reason.
They are going to places where they can make a living in a safe supportive environment...pretty simple
I’m still teaching middle school English and I love it. I like teaching right here in NY State 🍎
I have taught in Alabama for almost thirty years. I do not recognize the system this woman is describing. My kids are great. My parents are fine. My admins are good. I love teaching and I won't retire until they force me out in a wheelchair.
OK, are the kids sometimes a pain? Sure. Can parents and admins be unreasonable? OK sure. Is the pay too low? I guess. But I have had other jobs and teaching is the best. Remember the grass is always greener.
@@glennwatson3313 That’s how I feel. Happy New Year! 🎆🎊🎈
I am soo glad you are still teaching middle school English and you love it. Be blessed always.
@@sharonkaysnowton Thanks! You too. ❤️❤️❤️
@@glennwatson3313 How much emphasis does your district put on assessments. In my district, we have the yearly state exam. To prepare for that we have practice exams in September and January, and to prepare for those two tests we have monthly assessments, and they have to be done individually, not as a group. On top of that we have to write detailed lesson plans that are practically books, and aside from the regular report cards, we have to have a separate section where we assess each language arts skill. It’s gotten to the point where kids are taking assessments like 30% of the time, and the teachers, instead of preparing their lessons, are spending the majority of their time marking down assessment scores.
We quit that's where we went. Not in a union, in a red state, overworked, not supported, vicious administrators and absurd amount of paperwork that gets bigger every year.
I've seen good Tedx Talks, this isn't one of them. I'll tell you where all the teachers have gone...they've fled the classrooms to avoid being subjected to rude, loud, and oftentimes dangerous students, while hilariously being held responsible for them achieving standards written by people who've never been in an actual classroom. Not once does she mention student behavior...unreal!
they quit because the job is awful.
I just retired early as a public school teacher due to burnout. What would make it better for me? ... changing the secondary bell schedule, which currently is very unrealistic and causes too much stress. The bell schedule and everything about public school needs to be trauma informed. During pandemic distance learning our school district modified the secondary schedule to 3 classes in the Fall and 3 classes in the Spring (like college semester system) and classes only met 4 days a week. Less classes meant less work for both students and teachers and less teacher/student ratio. Some secondary teachers have up to 175 students or more, which is crazy! Going back to school as if everything was normal after the pandemic was a big mistake and a lot of students and teachers suffered. I enjoyed the work/life balance from working at home (but not sitting in front of a computer all day and teaching online). Normal is not working. The whole system needs to change to solve the problem of teacher burnout. Let's look to Finland school and their innovations for solutions. Lowering standards and paying more are just bandaids.
In 2002…. We were falling behind… where do you think this generation is now?👂🏽🧏🏽♀️
Teachers (like myself) have left because of the radical progressive liberals steering education in a terrible direction. Indoctrination is not education and vice versa. How much has math content changed? Are basic math facts not still the foundation for all advanced math learning? Does 2+2+4 or does it equal whatever you feel? Crazy times produce crazy outcomes.
Glad you left? This" let's change the circulium because change is good" by politicians is as unsound as teaching intelligent design instead of evolution. Policy changes are not just a US problem, have seen this "let's try it this way, because it is different." Play out in S. Korea and Sweden too. On the other hand and teacher that doesn't want to learn and grow in the craft isn't good either.
@@shinnam It is good to learn and grow, but I refuse to rewrite history and science in the name of progressivism. The whole systemic racism and radical gender ideology is flat out wrong, and is only being pushed in school to indoctrinate while kids are young and impressionable.
Just teach the provable facts
That's funny. The NYT, NBC, ABC, PBS, NPR, 60 Minutes reporting on this issue didn't mention anything like that. They just said that far right censorious parents are driving demoralized teachers from the classroom. Sorry, little rant, there.
The field is attacked
Shooting drills and arming teachers. Debate. Debate. Debate. NCLB.
All teachers must report for 2 hours after school, this Friday, for a teacher in-service concerning directives about washing your student's clothes, and carrying a gu@ for this next semester.
Not true. Teachers could not stand Common Core. I am in year 28 and cannot recall more than three times I have ever been around a parent or another teacher saying anything positive about Common Core. Good grief. Yea, let's have the kids who can't multiply, conceptualize their Word Problems and other math lessons.
I agree- children need to learn the multiplication tables by rote memorization.
Is it bad in the poorer caucasian districts too?
I would say no. Factors of poverty along with race bring more problems.
Ummmmm. Did I miss where she said where all the teachers have gone?
Phrase positive views of education? What kind of education? There 3 basic types; public, private & parochial. Public is intended for everyone. Private is for those who can afford it. Parochial exists largely to promote mysticisms. Ever since the contemporary Southern conservatism revolution started our education standards have declined from being in the top 10 worldwide to about 24th today. Using public tax $$ to feed religious education is a betrayal of the public trust that public money would be utilized in a manner that benefits everyone. Handing tax revenue over to private & parochial schools in which only specific individuals benefit is such a betrayal.
Money is not the problem.
@@glennwatson3313 What kind of conclusion can be drawn from your comment, "money is not the problem"?
@@glennwatson3313 Money is the core of the problem. All the big testing companies lobby politicians to push standardized tests because it results in the testing companies making obscene profits.
00:01 Uh, no not one; I just wanted to go home and play with my toys.
Skip to 11:00. Otherwise, a waste of time.
This video and the other TEDx Talk one before focus solely on how teachers are misread, misunderstood, only teaching what they are asked, under the gun and it also focused one how parents don't understand and are wrong. Interesting.
The out of control OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING for k-12 has created the "teacher shortages." I'm the author of EIGHT DAYS IN AN INNER CITY SCHOOL
Common Core math is terrible. I am a teacher and I think it is horrible at the high school level. The CPM Book is not good. CC is not for Sped and lower students.
Leaving education was the best thing I did. I am an RN now, make much better money and don't have to worry about getting assaulted at work . This woman is so clueless.
This is not good for so many reasons
Allow the family to immigrate temporarily and finish the process once they are here. At least the once that have been waiting for 10 years.
👎 Where have all the good times gone?…
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An Atheist is a child left behind. Check out Operation Gladio.
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Actually learning how to be a teacher, funny enough teaches u nothing about being a teacher
Here is the problem. It used to be that the best women in the country had few options for jobs, but one of them was teaching. So the best women became teachers. Today women have a lot of options and so the best women rarely go into teaching.
And men have always had options,so why do men teach?
Bingo!
And back then the women were smart enough to fight back against any bulls**t that administration tried to impose on them.
Nowadays they whine and whine, but they don’t do anything to resist.
Maybe teachers quit because teachers are treated so poorly, because it is a traditionally female profession.
@@ninasimone1207 The best men usually don't and never did.
@@khem127 Not really what I was talking about but OK.