Don't Get Me Started - Stewart Lee - What's So Wrong About Blasphemy?

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  • čas přidán 15. 09. 2012
  • Stewart Lee talks about blasphemy and how religions deal with criticism. Talking to various commentators, including Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti, journalist Polly Toynbee and writer Alan Moore.

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  • @girlsinnottingham2201
    @girlsinnottingham2201 Před 6 lety +949

    he gave it to us straight, like a pear cider, made from 100% pear

    • @YourPalHDee
      @YourPalHDee Před 5 lety +64

      PEARS! is it one giant pear????

    • @danm8004
      @danm8004 Před 5 lety +3

      @@YourPalHDee yes

    • @JimforbesRitte
      @JimforbesRitte Před 5 lety +29

      That pear cider joke has let itself go...

    • @gtb870
      @gtb870 Před 4 lety +6

      100% pear cider has let itself go

    • @Tombrosapien
      @Tombrosapien Před 4 lety

      Pear cider is grim

  • @Skinz01
    @Skinz01 Před 10 lety +529

    "Whether you think of the people behind me as hilarious bigots or well intentioned fools, they are none the less, divs." Hahaha!

    • @chasleask8533
      @chasleask8533 Před 5 lety +4

      That yellow shirt is excellent

    • @Telcontar1962
      @Telcontar1962 Před 4 lety

      The joke was on him. Those he served up to bolster his point are far more hypocritical than those they deride.....including Stewart Lee.

    • @darrenwilson99
      @darrenwilson99 Před 4 lety +21

      @@Telcontar1962 I have no idea what the point you are trying to make.

    • @Telcontar1962
      @Telcontar1962 Před 4 lety +1

      Darren Wilson well just ask yourself politically where are his barbs most directed. Then ask yourself what views he espouses.
      As bigots go he is way out in front of those he has a pop at. In fact the mental gymnastics he has to go through to hold the opinions he does, let alone have a go at those he calls bigots is truly Olympian standard.
      I find him quite funny on occasion but his political views are more comedic than his actual material.

    • @Telcontar1962
      @Telcontar1962 Před 4 lety

      @Wilbur Wafer or you are just too thick to understand?
      I know what my money is on :)

  • @bad-girlbex3791
    @bad-girlbex3791 Před 9 lety +67

    "They are, nonetheless, divs!" Oh Stewart, I fucking love you!

  • @ludakriss9094
    @ludakriss9094 Před 10 lety +81

    Oh shit. "Presumably because it isn't 1508" :D too good.

  • @luciusseneca4380
    @luciusseneca4380 Před 10 lety +359

    Blasphemy is a victimless crime

    • @martinda7446
      @martinda7446 Před 10 lety +5

      Unless its solid or sharpened blasphemy.

    • @mohitoness
      @mohitoness Před 10 lety

      ***** should be a warning at the front page of the internet

    • @martinda7446
      @martinda7446 Před 10 lety

      ***** Yeah, a warning about jimmyshitbags' profile photo...Holy shit!
      ;o)

    • @heatrayzvideo3007
      @heatrayzvideo3007 Před 10 lety +3

      It's not a crime

    • @Johnjohno666
      @Johnjohno666 Před 7 lety +3

      Its not even a crime. A crime is taking our money to spend on bullshit, and the government allows it.

  • @davepugh2519
    @davepugh2519 Před 7 lety +204

    I find it pretty offensive when I am told that I am a wicked sinner who deserves eternal punishment.

    • @Waldowsky
      @Waldowsky Před 5 lety +1

      Dave P, pussy.

    • @arsenalfanrichi
      @arsenalfanrichi Před 5 lety +15

      @@Waldowsky The irony went straight over your head didn't it?

    • @danpearce4547
      @danpearce4547 Před 5 lety +27

      @Keith Farrell You're not 'a wicked sinner who deserves eternal punishment.' You're a very naughty boy!

    • @johnlowdon5809
      @johnlowdon5809 Před 5 lety +5

      Well stop kicking your dog.

    • @tomsdottir
      @tomsdottir Před 5 lety +5

      @@johnlowdon5809 That particular euphemism is a new one to me.

  • @chrisofnottingham
    @chrisofnottingham Před 8 lety +183

    It's Health & Safety gone mad.

    • @etontrifle
      @etontrifle Před 8 lety

      Gran.

    • @mysund
      @mysund Před 7 lety +4

      True, and my printer at work prints on both side as default. When will the madness stop.

    • @lavenderandred_
      @lavenderandred_ Před 7 lety +9

      chris4072511 "You couldn't make it up"

    • @mysund
      @mysund Před 7 lety +2

      Its from a scooby doo feature: "Scooby Doo and the pirate zombie jungle island." And neither Partridge or any peartree was in this episode, eventhou they were specifically written into the script. But due to more than 30 year old budget cuts, they had to be removed.

    • @mrbtapir
      @mrbtapir Před 7 lety

      Ripleyesque Partridge actually said 'it's political correctness gone mad' in reply to Lynn but I can't remember why.

  • @6chhelipilot
    @6chhelipilot Před 10 lety +185

    Satan has let himself go.

  • @starkRECORDINGS
    @starkRECORDINGS Před 11 lety +21

    I consider myself educated (and still quite ignorant), but I always learn and have something new to think about when I listen to Stewart Lee - Stewart is a very clever bloke - keep it coming Stewart!

  • @MsAdesio
    @MsAdesio Před 10 lety +65

    Stewart is the quintessential Brit, and I mean that in every positive way

  • @DanBakerMusic
    @DanBakerMusic Před 3 lety +45

    Utterly compelling and I agree with everything stated here. Why can we not have Stewart Lee do a tour of schools? His personality and complete ease with any subject coupled with a beautiful use of language would enlighten any classroom.

    • @titteryenot4524
      @titteryenot4524 Před 2 lety +2

      Lol. Are you his agent?

    • @ThunderChunky101
      @ThunderChunky101 Před 2 lety

      Remember when Lee was opposed to censorship and did a documentary complaining about how his opera was censored?
      Well now we know it was all total bullsh*t - he's now protesting to have an interviewer censored for doing an interview with someone he disagrees with.
      Oh and he also used to pretend to be opposed to totalitarianism and pro-freedom, but as with all leftists this too is demonstrable nonsense, because he wants the state, lead by the Tories BTW, to be able to force people to be injected with experimental and dangerous drugs four times a year. Absolutely inexcusable behaviour.
      He's gone from one of my favourite comedians to probably my least favourite living person.

    • @titteryenot4524
      @titteryenot4524 Před 2 lety +2

      @@ThunderChunky101 That sounds like a difficult break-up. My condolences.💐

    • @plebjames
      @plebjames Před 2 lety

      @@ThunderChunky101 which interviewer is he protesting to have censored, and who did he interview?

    • @MrFuzzyGreen
      @MrFuzzyGreen Před 2 lety +7

      Putting Lee in schools is a lovely idea until he starts picking on one part of the class for not finding him as funny as the rest of the class.

  • @AvangionQ
    @AvangionQ Před 4 lety +139

    Blasphemy: speech that has been outlawed to prevent your religion from losing arguments.

    • @AvangionQ
      @AvangionQ Před 3 lety

      @C Stew There is some real hate out there. Of the hate crimes based on a religious bias, `60.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by offenders’ anti-Jewish bias.` ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/victims

    • @AvangionQ
      @AvangionQ Před 3 lety

      @@1inchPunchBowl That was a reply to a now deleted message ... keep up, right back at you.
      ... or are you just trolling?

    • @AvangionQ
      @AvangionQ Před 3 lety +1

      @Jack Daw I think religion lost many an argument.

    • @AvangionQ
      @AvangionQ Před 3 lety +1

      @Jack Daw Two things to say when people make that Pascal's Wager argument: which god? There's thousands of religions, each mutually exclusive. Funny that god makes no appearance in the natural world, yet people still believe in fairy tales. To you, this sort of logic might be blasphemy, but to me, this is religion losing arguments. Are you getting it yet?

    • @AvangionQ
      @AvangionQ Před 3 lety

      @Jack Daw You're a self-deluded bad joke, I have nothing more to say to you.

  • @guitarreilly
    @guitarreilly Před 7 lety +94

    religions let itself go

  • @HJJallday
    @HJJallday Před 6 lety +143

    This should be required viewing in all RE classes.

    • @martinbrittain2573
      @martinbrittain2573 Před 4 lety +7

      Yes and so should The Life of Brian, followed by a long discussion

    • @mustafarussell
      @mustafarussell Před 3 lety +1

      In every school I've ever worked in, the case for atheism and some of the blasphemy that goes with it has been made. What should be more commonly debated in sensible public forums is the notion that mankind only comes to know and think through the limitless benevolence of the creator. The movement away from godliness has come hand in hand with a dangerous reliance on science and technology. An atheistic mindset is ultimately less successful. Particularly in the next life.

    • @HJJallday
      @HJJallday Před 3 lety +1

      Mustafa Russell would love to know how you know what helps you in the afterlife?! I suspect you may have one book you value above others?

    • @mustafarussell
      @mustafarussell Před 3 lety

      @@HJJallday if you are sincere in wanting to know, I will happily tell

    • @GlasgowGallus
      @GlasgowGallus Před 3 lety +5

      As long as RE is on any curriculum, atheism, or any counterpoint should be demonstrated equally...

  • @colco2783
    @colco2783 Před 10 lety +157

    It's about time we in Britain told our politicians to make our country a secular one.
    Remove charitable status from all faith groups.

    • @steiffbar
      @steiffbar Před 5 lety +8

      Same here in the US. And it's getting worse. :(

    • @YourPalHDee
      @YourPalHDee Před 5 lety

      Why?

    • @StevieRevbo
      @StevieRevbo Před 5 lety

      "our politicians" and "our country" - ? lol

    • @ulalaFrugilega
      @ulalaFrugilega Před 5 lety +5

      Yeah! Bind charitable status to charitable deeds. Too simple to be done, though, I guess.

    • @petehouse8380
      @petehouse8380 Před 4 lety +4

      TheTimbalanders nonsense, I’m a lefty, and I despise ALL religions.

  • @JFoster4
    @JFoster4 Před 7 lety +68

    It's scary how this documentary is far more relevant now, 10 years after its release.

    • @ol75123
      @ol75123 Před 3 lety +9

      still relevant today

    • @FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000
      @FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Před 2 lety +5

      I'd suggest it's even worse now. We have ideologies that have no tolerance. Cannot be criticised.
      Nothing should be above criticism in this country.

    • @simtime7591
      @simtime7591 Před 2 lety +4

      @@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Yes but who is doing the canceling these days, its the liberals isn't it.... so what does that tell you.. It tells me, the liberals of today, are not really liberals at all..

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 Před 2 lety

      @@simtime7591 so the ones doing the cancelling aren’t the liberals then.

    • @owenevans83
      @owenevans83 Před 2 lety +1

      @@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Agreed

  • @truthtrumpsdumbness638
    @truthtrumpsdumbness638 Před 9 lety +54

    Unbelievable ....excellent, calm, reasoned argument against outrageous rants by silly folk, who don't even understand what they are ranting about

  • @xe666
    @xe666 Před 7 lety +17

    The Goodness Gracious Me sketch being banned because 300 people out of 5 MILLION complained is fucking ridiculous.Letting the minority dictate what others can see is worrying

  • @stephenport4768
    @stephenport4768 Před 2 lety +7

    I love the sarcastic humour of Stuart Lee's comedy yet his intelligence when doing these documentaries

  • @teresasteele5327
    @teresasteele5327 Před 5 lety +39

    I can remember when I first questioned the Catholic church. I was 12 years old sat in church with my mum shaking hands in peace with members of the congregation and I thought that's all well and good inside a house of worship, but what about outside in the real world? I like the quiet reflection you can have in the more ancient parochial buildings, when you are left alone with your thoughts without the intrusion of the 'Mass', but I can get that from looking out to sea. I believe in people, and love.

    • @DuskAndHerEmbrace13
      @DuskAndHerEmbrace13 Před 2 lety

      God is in the world and in people. Not one other object among others, or one other person among others. He is the source of all objects and persons. The love you feel and describe there any intelligent Christian would recognise as contact with God, but it is still far removed. Religion is guiding your sense closer towards God and guiding your life into alignment with him. Which is the centre of everything.

  • @carpenter3069
    @carpenter3069 Před 3 lety +6

    What I love most is these religious people bashing science while they drive a new car, probably the most advanced scientific conglomeration of scientific invention the average person will own.

    • @shelbyvillerules9962
      @shelbyvillerules9962 Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah, I mean say what you want about the Amish… because they’ll probably never read any comments on CZcams.

  • @MrSamBroughton
    @MrSamBroughton Před 11 lety +14

    Stewart Lee is brilliant. Great film.

  • @Jesse__H
    @Jesse__H Před 4 lety +21

    All these people are so well-spoken. Comparing the discourse seen here with an average American political issue interview just, well, it gives me conniptions.

    • @Neil_MALTHUS
      @Neil_MALTHUS Před 2 lety +1

      Conniptions??? 🤣 (I did have to google it!)

    • @FTZPLTC
      @FTZPLTC Před 2 lety

      Sadly we do and did have plenty of erratic dickwads as well. We just didn't feel obligated to put them on TV. We do now though.

    • @modgrip805
      @modgrip805 Před 2 lety +1

      You can get a cream for that.

    • @John-dd7ez
      @John-dd7ez Před 11 měsíci

      I caught conniptions from a dirty girl.

  • @taliesyn12
    @taliesyn12 Před 11 lety +58

    An excellent , reasoned and informative programme. Thoroughly enjoyed watching it again and, frankly, I am quite amused at the idea that some people really believe that a Pan dimensional ,Omnipotent Super Being would actually need them to stick up for it.

  • @jackthebassman1
    @jackthebassman1 Před 8 lety +30

    Mocking religion? And so it should be mocked, ridiculed, not only for the stupidity of believing in something for which there is not a single shred of evidence but mainly for the personal and mass hatred, misery, wars and death carried out in it's name. As Richard Dawkins said in an interview "When was the last time an atheist flew an aeroplane into a skyscraper" (paraphrased). Religion is not only primitive it is divisive, disgusting and kills.

    • @juliewake4585
      @juliewake4585 Před 5 lety +1

      Jack bassman and of course there’s Christopher Hitchens.

  • @tomwilko7841
    @tomwilko7841 Před 9 lety +11

    "Whether you think of the people behind me as hysterical bigots or well intentioned fools, they are none the less...divs"

  • @chickenbento
    @chickenbento Před 2 lety +13

    @12:40 "Even bastions of free speech, like the guardian " is probably the funniest line I've heard come out of Stewart's mouth.

    • @ThunderChunky101
      @ThunderChunky101 Před 2 lety +2

      Even funnier now that he's actively pressuring Spotify to censor Joe Rogan!
      What a truly awful person.

  • @nickmagee-brown739
    @nickmagee-brown739 Před 10 lety +33

    God this man is extremely smart. Understand him and you understand how smart his humour is.

    • @marcbaigrie2295
      @marcbaigrie2295 Před 4 lety +6

      What a pretentious comment

    • @hpebackwards
      @hpebackwards Před 3 lety +1

      Stew should put this on his website.

    • @Jordannadroj20
      @Jordannadroj20 Před 3 lety +4

      The thing is, he gives it to you straight. Like a pear cider, made from 100% pears

  • @ab8jeh
    @ab8jeh Před rokem +4

    28:25 aged like fine wine. This was filmed ten years ago and we're here now in 2022.

    • @Melsharpe95
      @Melsharpe95 Před rokem +1

      Spot on.

    • @LouiseBrooksBob
      @LouiseBrooksBob Před rokem

      The current war on trans people in the UK is being conducted in the courts by evangelical Christian activist lawyers and by religious activists at the top level of government. Some members of the UK government at top level have been openly talking to Christian Nationalist groups in the USA.

  • @lexwoodstevens7287
    @lexwoodstevens7287 Před rokem +3

    An aunt of mine died and was revived after a few minutes. She had the wits scared out of her because she thought she had gone to hell and talked for months about how bad her near death experience in hell had been. In her words, insufferably hot and uncomfortable.
    Eventually, in an attempt to shut her up she was challenged to say something positive.
    Her response was "the catering was excellent, the devilled eggs were delicious"

    • @OutofDarkness_jik
      @OutofDarkness_jik Před rokem

      Humorous at the end of your comment, but leading up to it, a truth which many other people are reported to have witnessed. I was never taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ sitting in a CofE church all the way through to my mid-teens. However, living in the U.S. since age 25, now 52, I found Christ at 38, he delivered me from 20 years of alcohol that began in the UK, and I have never been so happy being born again. It's not an American religious fanaticism. It is the UK that is spiritually super-cold and walking into the gates of hell by itself.... It needs a big revival like the one in Wales. The average person, me included, was raised to believe that you'll get into heaven if you don't do anything bad. You're a good person, you won't go to hell. Such utter rubbish and the height of ignorance of parents and others that think they know it all, being handed down the same mistruths down the years from older generations. And so it repeats. The devil is in the church all over the world, and that's IF you ever get to one. He doesn't have to work on you if you're already in the pubs and the clubs. He just never wants you to find out the TRUTH that you need to confess Jesus as your Lord, believe God raised Him from the dead, for you to be saved. Then tell everyone else. Pray for the sick, raise the dead. This is the commandments of our Lord. Mark chapter 16. We also need a relationship with Christ, see John chapter 15. Else he will tell us in that day, I never knew you, depart from me. The altar is not a ticket to heaven. It is the beginning of a commitment of a relationship with the one who loved you while you were still a sinner, and one who didn't deserve to die for you, so that you would live eternally. The devil os pulling out all the stops to try to prevent humanity from finding out the truth. See 2 Corinthians 4:4. In my case at least, he succeeded, until I was 38 when Jesus saved me before it was too late.

  • @estebansteverincon7117
    @estebansteverincon7117 Před 3 lety +5

    How do you blaspheme against something you can't actually demonstrate to exist???

  • @heyimrobee
    @heyimrobee Před 10 lety +2

    Great episode, thanks for sharing it!

  • @Deks2K5
    @Deks2K5 Před 5 lety +14

    "Welcome to this avenue of trees where i have all my most profound thoughts" - love Stu xD

  • @steiffbar
    @steiffbar Před 5 lety +11

    I remember when "The Last Temptation of Christ" was released and I went to see it in Raleigh NC. I was VERY excited about the movie. My parents were Methodists (and, hence, pretty harmless, really) and they never ONCE said, "You should behave this way and believe this way blah blah blah". If anything, I think we went to church and Sunday school because THEIR folks had done it, and their folks etc., and it was basically just a social construct. Later in their lives, they pretty much stopped going altogether.
    But anyway .... that is my background. (And I'm an atheist.)
    When I got to the theatre, there were about 12-15 people outside PROTESTING. For them, depicting Christ (who was MADE to be played by Willem Defoe BTW) as possibly living a "human" life, loving a woman, having a wife and child - that was the highest form of blasphemy ever suggested! Oh NO! We can't have THAT! They actually were carrying signs saying stuff like, "Close this theatre!", "This whole cast will be thrown into hell!" or "The devil possesses Martin Scorsese!" (I am not joking. Who could forget THAT one?) They looked 100% ridiculous.
    Of course, this made peeps like me even MORE determined to see the film and I came out of it going, "Wow!" I'd never been exposed to thinking like that before. The movie was nothing short of (pardon the word) miraculous for me because, besides being a completely BEAUTIFUL film, it made me start thinking in so many other ways. I decided that the film made Christ MORE divine because HE HAD been a human man, dealing with basic life things and trying to teach people elementary tenants of good behavior in a terribly dangerous time and who, for all the good he did, got killed by the political machine that was Roman rule.
    Why? Because he challenged established government and law. People like him couldn't be allowed to go around or else the entire Roman way of life would collapse because .... people would start thinking for themselves.
    Christians say you have to have a "personal relationship" with Christ to be a good Christian. Well, how much more "personal" can you get than to identify with another human being pushed to his limits and still managing to be a gentle, kind and caring individual who - when pushed, like the story of him in the temple with the moneylenders - recognizes injustice and speaks UP? That is - or should be - universal.

    • @plebjames
      @plebjames Před 2 lety +1

      That Christians have to have a 'personal relationship with Christ' is a result of Protestantism. In the old days, it was less important that you actually believed, and more important that you did what the pope said i.e. respect Roman rule. Protestants said their individual relationship to god was the important thing, and that's what made it more about belief and less about practical observance

  • @cessrcd
    @cessrcd Před 8 lety +31

    The Prophet Mohammed has let himself go...bless his name

  • @BethSmyls
    @BethSmyls Před rokem

    I love you Stewart Lee and Alan Moore. Thank you for talking sense.

  • @paulmitchell5349
    @paulmitchell5349 Před 5 lety +16

    There is rarely a wise man shouting in the street.

  • @paulr3457
    @paulr3457 Před 9 lety +48

    Blasphemy cannot exist unless you believe in that religion which I don't, therefore it doesn't exist. So christians must be blaspheming to Jews and Muslims for saying Jesus is the son of God. It's complete and utter bollocks, how can a religion be offended, it's not conscious. Don't get me fucking started on freedom of speech, it's a matter opinion which nobody has a monopoly on. Isn't it ironic that if I condemn religions for actually mutilating baby and older boys penises that I'm the one doing something wrong. We have to have a proper secular society. If you don't like something on the tele SWITCH CHANNELS. They're part of the offended brigade marching up and down the street waiting for something or someone to offend them.

    • @figletfromfiggy
      @figletfromfiggy Před 9 lety +5

      trying to understand nonsensical nonsense is a slippery slope that will at best leave you feeling frustrated and at worst leave you feeling angry and frustrated!

    • @enigmatic474
      @enigmatic474 Před 9 lety

      thank god you said it (and very eloquently too i might add!), i was about to kick off!

    • @paulr3457
      @paulr3457 Před 9 lety

      Tom
      Thanks for that. Do I detect a hint of sarcasm when you say "thank god"?

    • @enigmatic474
      @enigmatic474 Před 9 lety

      haha, i'll hold my hands up and admit i didn't realise i said that! rather embarrassing.. but still, i'm going to argue it's not hypocritical on linguistic grounds! it's a common expression! :S

    • @paulr3457
      @paulr3457 Před 9 lety +1

      Tom
      Agree...I know what you mean.

  • @robywill4321
    @robywill4321 Před 5 lety +4

    Insightful and hilarious, love it

  • @Gen7486
    @Gen7486 Před 3 lety +10

    “Jerry Springer The Opera” is more relevant in 2020 than it was then to be honest.

  • @paulgraham6316
    @paulgraham6316 Před rokem +4

    By far the most intelligent and relevant stand-up comic on the planet. Can't wait to see him in Liverpool next month.

  • @canturgan
    @canturgan Před 10 lety +44

    I was brought up a Catholic and taught by nuns and I thought Jerry Springer The Opera was hilarious. I saw it five times.

    • @ulalaFrugilega
      @ulalaFrugilega Před 5 lety

      canturgan interesting! Do you consider yourself a good catholic? Bc your upbringing-history doesn't clarify that.

    • @asnieres32
      @asnieres32 Před 2 lety

      You were obviously well educated and can think for yourself. The people protesting a springer opera could not do a join the dots.

  • @aboemusic
    @aboemusic Před rokem +1

    Enjoyable and informing viewing. A touch on the unbalaced side in terms of the number of those representing religious viewpoints vs else, but that's probably what Lee was going for. These sorts of programs make you wonder 'just how many people have their worlds flipped on their heads after watching programs like these?'
    Hopefully that number is exponentially increasing, because it is freedom of thought (if such a thing exists) which is pretty crucial (one imagines) if a society is to move toward enlightened times.

  • @CharlieBBoy12345
    @CharlieBBoy12345 Před 11 lety +7

    I thought this was brilliant. A relevant documentary that manages to be both serious and funny . Gotta love Alan Moore too: I met him once, and he was just as witty, interesting, intelligent and warm (and quirky) as he seems on screen.

  • @colz22
    @colz22 Před 10 lety +37

    Does that minister's yellow shirt and jeans combo count as blasphemy?

    • @bluetv6386
      @bluetv6386 Před 3 lety

      Nah it was dyed in pear cider that’s bla-bla-bla...

    • @roberttaylor6577
      @roberttaylor6577 Před 3 lety

      Hari krishnas use his church hall

  • @1pauljs
    @1pauljs Před 6 lety +4

    Can't believe this was on channel 5. A reasonable look at something with no hyperbole or ridiculousness.

  • @joefarang
    @joefarang Před 3 lety +2

    i'd like to see stu and polly toynbee talk more... i''ven heard loads of stu and allen moore before, but i get the feeling an extended section iwth PT would be quite rewarding viewing.

  • @LukeMcGuireoides
    @LukeMcGuireoides Před 3 lety

    It was so great to see Alan Moore appear in this. Hes such a brilliant effing writer.

  • @chrisgilliver1
    @chrisgilliver1 Před 3 lety +19

    I love Stewart Lee, but focusing on whether the Danish cartoons were funny or "clumsy" is completely missing the point. The response (death threats, riots etc) to them was inexcusable.

    • @MsGeeforce
      @MsGeeforce Před 3 lety +9

      Yes, it didn't escape my notice that satire of Christianity was described as "thoughtful" or "insightful" or "affectionate" while cartoons satirising Islam were branded "clumsy".

    • @tomherbert2361
      @tomherbert2361 Před 3 lety +4

      I think what they mean by clumsy is just that they were shit cartoons

    • @chrisgilliver1
      @chrisgilliver1 Před 3 lety +10

      @@tomherbert2361 I'm sure he did mean that, but as the guy above points out, his language and focus are noticeably different when talking about stuff to do with Islam. Let's not forget that innocent people died as a result of those cartoons. Perhaps he should be more concerned about that.

    • @tomherbert2361
      @tomherbert2361 Před 3 lety +3

      @@chrisgilliver1 he clearly is concerned about it

    • @trevorsmith8950
      @trevorsmith8950 Před 2 lety +1

      Clumsy sounds like a euphemism for racist, imho

  • @MikeyC586
    @MikeyC586 Před 10 lety +15

    It DOES feel like 1508 sometimes....

  • @domhuckle
    @domhuckle Před 3 měsíci +1

    More documentaries from the peerless Mr Lee please world

  • @ianpritchard6375
    @ianpritchard6375 Před 2 lety +2

    Alan Moore ... brilliant!! (as was the whole programme)

  • @FiveSigma72
    @FiveSigma72 Před 11 lety +4

    Thats the first time Ive ever seen Alan Moore crack a smile. Its beautiful seeing two of my heroes in the same room, clearly liking each others company.
    If you are truly religious and intelligent, isnt the only logical conclusion that the universe is run by a vain, jeallous, worship needy, vengeful smiter of a beast that you just better get onside with? I think most religious folk are just trying to buy insurance for the soul, and behave no more moraly than an athiest.

  • @SpecificallyDanielSwan
    @SpecificallyDanielSwan Před 7 lety +9

    You had me at 'divs'.

  • @dexorcist
    @dexorcist Před 11 lety +1

    Was just watching this and just realised that you had uploaded it Loz :-)

  • @jimlefevre
    @jimlefevre Před 11 lety +1

    Some very interesting and well made points. I think I agree with the sentiment of it.

  • @CBL593H
    @CBL593H Před 8 lety +5

    Mr Renfrew is excellent.

  • @justcomments
    @justcomments Před 10 lety +5

    Very thought provoking :) I remember being very surprised by the outcry about those shitty characatures, when most people I spoke to had such a level headed lack of response to such petty antagonism. We have much to fear from paranoid religious conservatives everywhere.

  • @chatteyj
    @chatteyj Před 9 lety +1

    I can't wait for Stuart Lees show on islam! It'll be a hoot. Who agrees?

  • @67lindyloo99
    @67lindyloo99 Před 4 lety +1

    And the greatest of these is love 💖

  • @shitshynonofuck
    @shitshynonofuck Před 4 lety +3

    Count Duckula has let himself go

  • @dannycheesums
    @dannycheesums Před 10 lety +7

    Welcome to this avenue of trees, where I have all of my most profound thoughts! Fucking love it!

  • @CC-ff7ft
    @CC-ff7ft Před 2 lety

    A great little documentary by Lee.
    Its mental that 300 complaints has more power than 5 million viewers .

  • @henrycastle1
    @henrycastle1 Před rokem

    So much better than, what I bring to CZcams party
    A sincere one ✔️💯%

  • @rtpcr3969
    @rtpcr3969 Před 7 lety +13

    In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references!
    Bart D. Ehrman

    • @anthonybowman3423
      @anthonybowman3423 Před 6 lety +2

      Wasn't Josephus near the end of the first century? I never put much stock in the Josephus and even if it was it would still be an enormous lack of reference to someone as supposedly huge as Jesus, but in the pursuit of accuracy here...

    • @Torthrodhel
      @Torthrodhel Před 5 lety +2

      Really? Jesus Christ.

    • @pterafirma
      @pterafirma Před 4 lety

      @@anthonybowman3423 - Josephus never mentioned him either. No copy of his history from prior to the 4th Century contains the abruptly incongruent out-of-context passage about Jesus that gets inserted centuries later by church founder Origen. It's not even a _good_ forgery.

    • @FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000
      @FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Torthrodhel underappreciated comment

  • @rallokkcaz
    @rallokkcaz Před 4 lety +4

    Lol I was watching The Day Today and this came on after an episode, and I thought I was still watching it. Holy fuckz

  • @brianwilkinson6891
    @brianwilkinson6891 Před 2 lety

    Fantastic , first time I have seen it ,!

  • @sooper2dooper3
    @sooper2dooper3 Před 11 lety +8

    19:50 Alan Moore knows the score!

    • @cupidstunt70
      @cupidstunt70 Před 3 lety +3

      Sorry, 7 years late but you sure can dig it obviously.

  • @lavenderandred_
    @lavenderandred_ Před 7 lety +3

    "Whether you think of the people behind me as hysterical bigots, or well-intentioned fools, they are none the less, divs"

  • @onlyme219
    @onlyme219 Před 2 lety +2

    Back again in 2022, Stewart is genius

  • @dinnerwithfranklin2451

    Really good show, thanks

  • @WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT
    @WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT Před 4 lety +12

    We only need a blasphemy law cos god has really let himself go...

  • @crypticTV
    @crypticTV Před 2 lety +5

    2:38 paradise lost
    5:43 isn't 1508
    7:30 god's no
    8:00 life of Brian Christian
    8:39 rashdi Muslim
    9:15 Behzti Sikh
    9:32 against free speech
    10:33 race to be offended. Fatwa joke
    11:24 manufactured protest
    12:07 Danish cartoon cycling helmet
    13:40 against religious protection
    14:40 no right to be not offended
    14:52 exception
    16:07 Islam push for protection
    18:40 BBC protection of religion
    19:15 religious school division
    20:15 divine right rather than electorate
    21:19 jokes about beliefs democratic truth
    22:15 protestants Vs Catholic
    22:30 offense Vs provocation for the sake of it
    22:53 new communities should adapt
    23:10 24:12 legitimate religions
    23:58 Iraq war
    26:25 Paris Hilton
    27:55 religious fundamentalism from religious revivalism 80 years ago
    28:26 USA religion politics
    29:52 faith schools - selection bias
    31:35 34:08 religion taught as facts in school
    32:50 USA George Bush religious loony
    33:00 no secular school
    33:40 politics use religion
    34:45 Christian against Hinduism
    35:16 36:05 religious taught in schools good Vs bad
    35:32 accused of blasphemy
    36:40 open debate free speech
    38:00 beliefs not obstruction to dialogue Monty python

    • @d_ruggs
      @d_ruggs Před 2 lety +2

      omg, you had some spare time

  • @curmudgeon1933
    @curmudgeon1933 Před 8 měsíci +1

    28:40. The selection of Mike Johnson, a self-admitted fundamentalist Southern Baptist Christian, as Speaker of the US House of Representatives, with medieval opinions on almost every current major issue, proves Mr. Lee's view that we are regressing back to the Dark Ages.
    I'm expecting a rerun of the Salem Witch Trials to begin any day soon.

  • @MrTerrierLove
    @MrTerrierLove Před 11 lety

    Thank you. So many people can't grasp this fact.

  • @BodyInFlight1983
    @BodyInFlight1983 Před 4 lety +5

    I'd give my left crucifix to be a fly on the wall in that Alan Moore and Stuart Lee chat.

  • @mauricecoffey9519
    @mauricecoffey9519 Před 6 lety +9

    Beautifully observed narrative. Thank you, Stewart Lee, I've just added you to my pantheon of heroes. I hope you do shows in Dublin because I would camp out to get a ticket. I loved your monologue on Richard Hammond and thanks also for turning me on to Mr Funny himself Henning Wehn. I'm off to check your tour dates to see if you're coming to Ireland. That was a brilliant documentary. Please do more...

    • @mydarlinggirlrachae
      @mydarlinggirlrachae Před 5 lety +1

      Wish he would visit Australia....while I can understand why he doesn't, I wouldn't either, its bloody awful.

  • @darklingeraeld-ridge7946

    I was on a long coach journey recently and the man I was sitting next to informed me that he believes Jesus was perfect, the only perfect human being. So why didn't he found a better religion, if he was? If he was so perfect, why are his followers STILL contradicting each other about what he said and what we are meant to believe - and why do so many people not follow him at all? In fat, why did he found a religion whose central tenets have always been routinely lambasted by its own followers? Situations like that coach journey are terrible temptations...... tempting to quietly accept, because of the painful embarrassment of thinking out loud, utter crap, posing as goodness and moral fortitude. Praises be to Stewart Lee ! - for speaking out, barefacedly.

  • @helenbostock2350
    @helenbostock2350 Před 2 lety

    Great answer. Thier build to last. I believe so that the symbol of my focus. Like the universes and its power
    I say who am I a fending. I promote free speech and music. Music is seen in our daily lives and in heaven. You don't want blue eyes
    Wow
    Like that light hearted story.

  • @MrBurnem1983
    @MrBurnem1983 Před 9 lety +11

    Judas has let himself go

  • @japeking1
    @japeking1 Před 8 lety +6

    Thank you...that was lovely ....and frightening.
    Sometime in the 60's ( I think ) someone wrote a play about the lifeboat rescues from a sinking ship of Whitby. The lifeboat crew , going back into the storm for about the 4th or 5th time were drunk and most drowned when the lifeboat overturned. 150 years after the event ( about ) and the playwright was driven from Whitby by death threats....... just saying that it isn't only religion that inspires irrational hatred.

    • @Neil_MALTHUS
      @Neil_MALTHUS Před 2 lety +1

      There will always be exceptions where nutters and their nutty ways are concerned. That said, it IS mostly religion / right wing scum to be found at the bottom of that particular barrel. Capitalism devised religion and saw how the poor lapped it up. And that's why pretty much every government around the world loves it and the system is based on it.

    • @Malt454
      @Malt454 Před 2 lety

      No, it isn't only religion that inspires irrational hatred - but it is the primary force that attempts to make it look rational and culturally acceptable. You can get far more people to agree that driving the playwright out of Whitby was crazy than you can get to agree that killing a cartoonist for drawing Muhammad is wrong.

  • @CARLIN4737
    @CARLIN4737 Před 5 lety +1

    Superb narration

  • @Kris_T_
    @Kris_T_ Před 3 lety +1

    Watching this on Christmas Day for bonus points

    • @titteryenot4524
      @titteryenot4524 Před 2 lety

      Bonus points stolen from the pre-Christian pagans.

  • @fannimadarasz2125
    @fannimadarasz2125 Před 8 lety +5

    Alan Moore. Fucking awesome...

  • @StoutProper
    @StoutProper Před 4 lety +9

    Wait, surely if they're Christians they're a forgiving lot?

    • @MezMcG
      @MezMcG Před 4 lety +3

      Oh, they are, riiiiight up until the moment you do something against THEM.

  • @WeAreDumbartonFC
    @WeAreDumbartonFC Před 4 lety +2

    Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has let himself go

  • @lewisgrace3596
    @lewisgrace3596 Před 9 lety +1

    Fantastic.

  • @chelseagas2691
    @chelseagas2691 Před 3 lety +11

    "Bastions of free speech, The Guardian". Funniest part of the whole thing 🤣😂

    • @kieronmcnulty6177
      @kieronmcnulty6177 Před 3 lety +2

      Their tremendous and prolonged support for Julian Assange being the greatest example of this bastion

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 Před 2 lety

      Well they’re the only truly independent newspaper in the uk. So, you know, facts and all that.

    • @thevo4100
      @thevo4100 Před 2 lety

      @@peteconrad2077 They are funded by Open Democracy and the Gates Foundation. If they had to survive on sales and ad revenue they wouldn't exist. It isn't independent in the slightest.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 Před 2 lety

      @@thevo4100 they are funded by sales and thousands of donors. The ones you mentioned are amongst the larger ones but they exercise no control over the paper and do not contribute a controlling amount. Contrast that with the billionaire owned right wing rage that you read. They’re independent in every meaningful way, especially free for the bigoted stupidity of fat right billionaires.

    • @thevo4100
      @thevo4100 Před 2 lety

      @@peteconrad2077 How do you know what control their donors exert? Why are they giving them money? Out of kindness? Why not say the same for other papers? Because left good, right bad? I assume that's the depth of the reasoning here.

  • @johnboydojo
    @johnboydojo Před 5 lety +5

    "God" I Love Stewart Lee 😂

  • @64dartgt273
    @64dartgt273 Před 9 lety

    That ending was awesome!

  • @celtic5177
    @celtic5177 Před 2 lety +1

    Glad to see, even with all the hate his play got by these people, that he takes an open-minded, wide ranging view on religion, even as an atheist. A breath of fresh air in a sphere so often infested with lazy bigotry.

  • @JimmieHiggins
    @JimmieHiggins Před 9 lety +10

    Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

    • @ZER0--
      @ZER0-- Před 8 lety

      +JimmieHiggins It should be, but religious folk who's faith is weak will disagree.

    • @darrenwilson99
      @darrenwilson99 Před 4 lety

      Tell that to Iranians.

  • @ulalaFrugilega
    @ulalaFrugilega Před 5 lety +5

    Somewhat later, less angry: schools should teach ethics, - a history of all religions and philosophy. All schools, all pupils.

    • @sofa-lofa4241
      @sofa-lofa4241 Před 3 lety +1

      Same view here, I went to a UK state school, we were forced to learn religious education the Church of England way, from years 1 - 3,
      I opted out (backed up from a letter from my parents) and spent that lesson in the library self learning about all religions,
      I'm not special or clever, but possibly more rounded than most in this area,
      I would urge everyone to do the same, I think religious tolerance is key.... Not fighting for one corner

    • @ulalaFrugilega
      @ulalaFrugilega Před 3 lety

      @@sofa-lofa4241 During your first 3 school-years you spent hours reading books on religion in the school library? That is impressive indeed!

  • @klausgartenstiel4586
    @klausgartenstiel4586 Před 4 lety

    my stance is, if you decide to go to war against somebody, you better be ready to fight in that war to the bitter end.

  • @drewlovelyhell4892
    @drewlovelyhell4892 Před 2 lety

    11.55 "As a safety measure.."
    This line had me rolling! 😂

  • @MichaelGoldenberg
    @MichaelGoldenberg Před 9 lety +31

    I love Stewart Lee and find all this right-wing, fundamentalist garbage impossible to take seriously. But I realize that it IS serious and that these folks are seriously dangerous to functional democratic societies.

    • @kildogery
      @kildogery Před 2 lety +2

      7 years later and it's all going to absolute shit.

    • @wesleyashworth5061
      @wesleyashworth5061 Před 2 lety +2

      @@kildogery 7 years later and the people protesting are the “woke” left ready to take offence at the drop of a hat

    • @kildogery
      @kildogery Před 2 lety +1

      @@wesleyashworth5061 it's health and safety gone mad!

    • @wesleyashworth5061
      @wesleyashworth5061 Před 2 lety

      @@kildogery hehe

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 Před 2 lety +1

      @@wesleyashworth5061 and then you woke up.

  • @gollumtheartisticnewt1028

    Whatever the complaints by the Christians, thry never cut anyone's head off.

    • @monkeymox2544
      @monkeymox2544 Před 2 lety +1

      Erm... yes they have. Christianity has plenty of blood on its hands.

    • @gollumtheartisticnewt1028
      @gollumtheartisticnewt1028 Před 2 lety +2

      @@monkeymox2544
      Where? Exact places. In this century.
      You are suffering from white man's guilt. A therapist could help you.

    • @PorthLlwyd
      @PorthLlwyd Před 12 dny

      ​@@gollumtheartisticnewt1028 Anne Boleyn

  • @petercolledge2236
    @petercolledge2236 Před 2 lety

    Lovely post. God bless you, Stew. On a religious note, the statement 'God Is Not Mocked' is simply that. It's on a par with 'the Sun heats up the Earth'. Simple fact, which you may or may not agree with. But it does mean that protestors asking that God be not mocked are not understanding that simple statement.

  • @carpenter3069
    @carpenter3069 Před 3 lety

    Excellent!

  • @ryanlionuk
    @ryanlionuk Před 5 lety +6

    “Even bastions of free speech like the guardian wouldn’t publish the cartoons...” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that quote aged well.