Why I Don’t Care About Rookie Cards 🤷♂️
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- I’ve got a confession to make.What if I told you that I think rookie cards, graded cards, and some of the most iconic sets of all time…just don’t do anything for me?
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IMPORTANT: Please take note of my disclaimers at 1:14 mark in the video.
1. These are MY PERSONAL OPINIONS (i.e. personal preferences). We are all entitled to preferences and to collect what we like, and we are all allowed to question specific aspects of the current Hobby zeitgeist.
2. This is about COLLECTING, not INVESTING. Collecting is all about what you like.
This video is not about bashing what others like. In fact, it's exactly the opposite. That's why I said I'm sure you might like them more than me in the intro at 0:14. Most people like these things more than me.
Thanks for watching and commenting! 🙌
The laundry tag is what my mom would cut and throw away. I don’t need it on my card.
Right I personally always thought same thing & wondered when & why laundry tags became desirable smh
sold a koloko 1/1 laundry tag for 435 about 8 months ago. so atleast they sell
Thank you so much for approaching this hobby with a logical outlook. scant few among us seem to use logic when buying, selling, trading, grading, collecting, cards. The gambling like attitude and chase for card “worth” has caused many people to lose their minds.
Great video. The differences in graded prices is insane. There’s numerous examples of people sending in cards graded a PSA or BGS 8 & it coming back a 10. I’m sure the reverse would happen but nobody in their right mind is going to break open a PSA 10 to regrade unless it’s a cheap card for content.
Love your content T-Pot but this video is concerning to me and I have to disagree in part. There is a hate for base movement and this doesn’t help us progress the hobby. The rookie card is the most impactful card in the hobby. It’s sacred and it should be respected and protected by us the hobby. The silent majority can not afford essential credentials. You make some solid points but why do we want devalue iconic base rookie cards? I don’t get it and it forces me to lean into elitist mentality and I don’t want to go there. Be well thanks for your honest take on this. Although I don’t agree I still gave you a thumbs up! 👍🏽
I have said this many times here and on everyone that is part of the hate base rookie card movement! This people have distressed the hobby and this is part of the problem. They pumped refractor, 1/1 and kaboooms and all kind of stupid variations. on the other hand they treat rookie base cards like trash and they will try to give you psa 10s in the morning, on the evening and as a desert.
@@GaryFusey-ef4nl you sound stupid at least he sound smart.
To rc is not sacred it’s just a marketing stunt lol I support tpot on this one we have to collect what we like not what Topps wants us to like
@@mauriciobori I respect your opinion. 👍🏼
Hey Victor,
Great to hear from you!
I think you may have really missed the intention of this video.
Go to 1:14 and double check that you heard my disclaimers. I also just pinned those as a comment to ensure others see/hear them.
This is all about my personal preferences for collecting, which I'm entitled to have.
Specific to the rookie card, I would argue that the manufacturers - other than maybe Upper Deck with hockey YG's, more than anyone, have adulterated the rookie card and completely watered it down by making thousands of "rookie cards" instead of keeping just one or a few true RCs.
I understand Essential Credentials are expensive. I didn't say I like it because it's expensive. I said I would rather have the EC over the Hakeem RC for the same price. Again, that's important.
Do you know how many $5k+ cards I own in my PC? Zero.
Technically my Kobe Gold Heirs refractor was once more than that...sadly it has decreased. 😭
I also didn't say anything about how rookie cards should be devalued. I said I don't really understand why people value them more than other cards that are more rare, but the market sets prices and clearly likes to focus on specific, iconic cards. And that's okay! 😃
Hope that helps and hope you're well!
I agree with pretty much everything you said lol. I usually buy PSA 9 and I buy Refractors, on card autos and game worn patches. Zero interest in sticker autos and "not associated" patches. I'd rather have a 2-3 color patch than a logoman. Also not a fan of all the colored blue/green/purple/zebra etc... refractors/prizms. Just the normal refractor or maybe black refractor. I think silver prizms look better than the golds. I don't mind 86 fleer card design, but what I can't stand is when the black edges to the yellow ring aren't perfect. On a lot of them (even some PSA 10s) if you look close you'll see the yellow go outside the black lines.
The main issue is what you said at the end, it’s really just the overproduction of everything that ruins things.
That also leads to the ridiculous issue of non game worn RPA cards from high end products. I would rather wait a year for RPA’s to include game worn swatches. This is one of the main reasons I moved over to collecting almost exclusively hockey cards. Upper Deck almost always uses game worn jersey swatches for their RC’s and veteran cards.
Rookie cards would then have so much more long term value. I know what you mean with RC’s sometimes being overvalued just for the fact that they’re a RC, but I would say that in regards to modern, if they had game worn swatches, then that’s a compete game changer.
Almost no Upper Deck RPAs are game worn. You can get certain subsets like rookie year Limited Logos patch autos that are GU, but The Cup RPAs, Premier, Ultimate Collection, etc have pretty much always all been event/player worn cards.
@@tyrithofmuse They trend to at least make sure the major stars have game worn, of course not everything is, but Upper Deck is by far the best company for actually putting Game Used memorabilia in RC’s and especially Veteran cards. I can’t stand how Panini ruins so many good veteran cards with the fake patches.
Hockey probably has more game used inventory available vs something like football, so that helps for sure. Look at all the Flawless Ver cards with “Not from any particular game or season”, it’s insane.
Look at McDavids cards, most of his RC’s are game used, to me, those are real RC’s.
@@tampahomeinvestorsllc7559 I think it's very hard to get football game used jersey in a usable condition these days. Put aside the 17 game seasons - they pretty much tape the entire jersey onto the pads these days.
But check out The Cup RPAs - guys like McDavid, Matthews, Pettersson, etc are all event/player worn. They don't have anything that's fully disclaimed like Panini, but it doesn't matter how big the name is - it's not going to be game worn even in the premium sets. Very few true RPAs in any sport ever have been - it's mostly just limited to Topps Dynasty and Panini Flawless, plus some of those UD subsets.
Great video!! I could relate to this so much. I think the number 1 thing which isnt talked about too much outside of you is opportunity cost and it should be front of mind for us when buying
It will eventually get to this.people always think a 10 is a great investment. But most of us can't pay 200,000 for a jeter.you can buy 50 psa 9's. Chances are the 10 ' especially with active players can come down 50% and you can get hurt. The 9's are a much safer bet.For investing or collecting purpose 8's and 9's are the way to go.
I always say ‘buy the card not the label”. I’ll take a well centered nicely colored card in a lower grade anyday.
If I have psa 8 86 fleer card that looks perfect. Is it better to throw away the psa tag and send it back raw? Or send it with psa tag to bgs? I sent 4 85 michael jordan pocket schedule rush graded and got 2 8.5's and 2 9's. I then sent 40 more high grades non rush graded and got bgs 5's to 8.5's? I guess regular grading is risky? You get what you pay for?
I totally been saying the same thing about rookie cards. As a collector i really question the premium rookie cards demand. Been collecting longer than most of your viewers have been alive. Happy that we share this view on rookies thank you for your video!
I am a rookie card guy but this is a great video. Your greatest point is about grading. Do you like any of the 92 or 93 fleer basketball insert sets? My favorite is the towers of power set with Shaq, Chris Webber, Rodman, grandma ma etc.
Some good points made in the video.
Bottom line is as a collector it doesn’t matter. What we collect is what we find interest in. Doesn’t matter if it’s junk era or modern. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
From a resale perspective, I personally would rather collect rookies as I think they are easier to move. As a dealer I constantly run into the challenge of valuing rare low pop low print run inserts. It can become a deal killer. It’s less of an issue with higher pop and print run cards although the value may be less generally speaking. It’s easier to comp out and move I feel.
Closing case in point. Topps can put out a commemorative 1 of 1 Hank Aaron and make it the coolest looking ever and auction it off for 1 million dollars and give me the option of owning the best possible rookie I can get for the same price and I will take the Hank Aaron rookie every time. That’s me personally speaking.
Lots of cards with the black boarders don't grade well chipping etc
as always - T-Pott throwing HEATERS - great video guys
Its kinda cool to here someone with similar views to myself. I like RC's but I tend to hunt down cards of significance. Be that MVP, highlight moments, championship/premiership year, retirement year. Sometimes the odd rookie does catch my attention if it is significant but not high on my wish list. SSP are a guilty pleasure though.
you might like NBA Top Shot.
Great video. It's always good hearing contrarian opinions in the hobby.
I agree to an extent on your rookie card aversion. I don’t like multiple player rookies so prevalent in 1960‘s, 1970’s, and 1980’s topps baseball. But some single player rookies are iconic to me and I like having them in my collection. But generally I go for a HOF‘s second, third, or last year card unless it’s in a set I really love such as 1965 topps.
You do have a point regarding “rookies”. Big Ken Griffey fan and I can think many cards I’d rather have than a perfect rookie. Aside from the 1989 Topps Tiffany PSA 10; still my dream card!
That's a nice card. The Tiffany rookies are a must in any grade, in my opinion. However, if you can't afford those, then check out his 1989 Fleer Glossy, 1988 Star, 1989 Star, or Star Ad rookies. Those too are all limited in print run and very undervalued compared to his Tiffany rookies.
@@vintagecollector5340
Good point and equally good recommendations. I have been eyeing a PSA 9 on eBay that is definitely in my price range.
@@isaacmartinez9303 You can't go wrong with Tiffany rookies. I've hoarded twenty or more of the 1989 Star Ad rookies of Griffey. It has a purple border and it just pops to me. It's a very beautiful card. Another rare card of Griffey is the 1991 Waldo Candies. Not a rookie, but the image itself was taken during his rookie year. Another very beautiful card. I own a few type III photos that were used for that card.
I agree with your Jr. Assessment.....also a KGJ collector and imo the fleer glossy is almost as good of a picture and also REALLY hard to get in top grade. I think that card is undervalued in the hobby.
@@joedill4311 Fleer Glossy is a beautiful card. Undoubtedly undervalued, but I think it's mostly because people do not understand what true scarcity is. Otherwise, all his Tiffany and Fleer Glossy rookies would easily dethrone rookies like the 1993 SP Derek Jeter. Needless to say, that card is not short-printed by any stretch of the imagination. It's just another junkwax-era card, regardless of its condition.
Biggest one not on your list is jersey # cards. Why do I care that the serial number matches their jersey, a 1/99 instead of 2/99 makes zero difference to me. I have had deals at card shows fall through because the dealer will ask hundreds over last comp "because jersey number match". Pass. I'll take the non-jersey number match for a discount all day. I don't get the appeal chasing serial numbers.
Agree with pretty much everything on the list, T-Pott knows what's up.
Jersey number serial is worth a 20% increase in value at best
Thanks for watching!
I like jersey number cards, but I usually am not willing to pay the premium.
It's kind of like Logoman cards for me. I like them! I just don't like them THAT much (for the price).
It would be cool if they could consolidate all our sports experiences, things like having an account where you can register tickets for games you personally have attended, to keep track of and take pride in the games you are going to see, or autographs you can authenticate to specific dates, then on the next level if they are dating short printed patch cards with the exact dates and games they were worn in, people can then go out and not just hunt for patches from big games by the player, but even from games they have attended personally. I think it would be a nice factor to add to people's experiences and give them a greater more personally inclusive attachment in the future.
Spot on!!!!!
I agree totally with all points!
With the jeter someone that could afford it could buy 25 psa 9s and send the best looking 5 or 10 and see if you could get 1 psa 10.alot of profit could be made.
Interesting video, informative and insightful. Here's the problem, which of the dozens of variations of an individual player card do you collect??( foor instance: bat up, bat down, screaming, glitter, foil, holographic, die cut, refractor and all the other needless drama and greed) etc😡😡😒😒
you are awsome for this video...and there was a video on youtube where it said psa had a ad in a paper in california to hire graders basicly people who had no knowledge of cards at all because prob so many orders they had.....i think grading monopoly is the biggest scam since the mass production OF CARDS IN GENARAL.
I have an essential credentials of my PC player... they are not cheap the standard is usually around 100, star players go for 1000+. I had this line of thought until I went back to buy late 90s sealed wax and found it to be pretty affordable. Had me checking into the late 90s, upper deck stuff... like the Randy Moss and Peyton Manning rookies looked great imo, but they maintained little value compared to the Topps base stuff. Upper deck seems to be way less valuable in Football.
I’ve always collected the rc cards mainly because they hold more value in any player aside from inserts that are extremely rare! And now I grade raw and flip I suppose what I do is called, and the rc’s always get me higher rev. Hmmmmm…
The comments on value between grading at PSA 10 versus 9 are spot on. I could really see that value difference decline in the future particularly if AI grading makes PSA less relevant. And absolutely it’s artificial scarcity!!
I totally agree!!! The hobby is moved so greatly by these grades that are so subjective!!! I literally can't see a difference in many of the 9 and 10's. Also, I would rather have rare cards of my favorite players than their rookie card. Great example is the 1990 Ken Griffey Jr. Bowman Tiffany which is rarer than any of His rookie cards but much less expensive.
Yeah psa grades are wild...I graded 21 cards and got 2 psa 10s, that were in worse condition than a bunch of 8s they gave me.
I like the 89 Donruss Griffey as it has the most 89' era design to it with the vibrant multi colors. Bonds has a 1987 Classic Game RC that is yellow, but it is a color match and game action shot. So it actually looks really cool.
That's a nice rookie of Bonds. Of course, his most sought after rookie card will always be his iconic 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany. I once owned the Tiffany rookie of Bonds, until I seen the opportunity to snatch some original rookie photos of his. I didn't hesitate to sell off the Tiffany for all eight rookie photos at a fraction of the cost of his Tiffany rookie.
I actually like the 89 Donruss Griffey better than the 89 UD rc!
@@joerussell9574 The only problem I have with those cards is that they were mass-produced. They're still nice cards, but if I were to hunt for a card from that era, it would have to be a rare misprint/error variation or a proof/promo. I own a mini 1989 UD Griffey (limited) blank back promo, as well as a 1989 UD Griffey (wrong back error) rookie. Both are extremely rare variations. It's these types of cards I chase. Outside of those, I stick to the 1989 Star Company Ad Griffey, which is only limited to around 6,000 copies.
@@vintagecollector5340 I totally agree but have You seen what UD 89 KGJR PSA 9-10 are selling for? It is insane I know and not future proofed in any way due to the print run. I love the 89 Donruss(still overpriced and overprinted) but way more obtainable.
@@joerussell9574 Yeah, I'm not so sure those will be sustainable in value. There's way too many of them, and a ton more still sealed. I think alot of the price in value is people just not educated enough to know what true scarcity is. Obviously, a numerical grade doesn't make the card rare. Once people understand what true scarcity is, I think prices will blow up on rarer stuff, like his Tiffany and Star Company rookies. This is why, if I'm buying a rookie card of Griffey, I'm opting for Topps/Bowman Tiffany, Fleer Glossy, or Star Company limited sets. Outside of that, its original photographs and/or rookie game tickets. I own two tickets of Griffeys very first game into the starting lineup with Mariners back on March 4, 1989...a month before his regular season debut. It was at Tempe Diablo Stadium and it holds a capacity of less than 10,000 fans!! Much rarer than his regular season debut, which had an attendance of over 40,000 fans! It's oddball items like this that I enjoy, which nobody else is chasing.
Agree with a lot of your points except for the RC. I buy 9s all day for my pc at a massive discount.
You know who’s rookie card you can pull in poop brown donruss? Lonzo Ball Baby! 😀 Geoff is not happy about your thoughts on base cards 😀 Collecting what you like is all that matters. Like you said, if you are investing, you have to hope others will be into it. Who knows what people will be into in 20 years. NFTs 😀 Thanks T-Pott for sharing! Take care Brother!
lot of people are already marking their terroritory. 40,000-1mil in topps/panini nfts already
Hey I agree with you about grading and logoman cards but there will be no bad mouthing the two '86 card set designs. Maybe it's nostalgia but those were two sets that started my card collecting life.
:)
You would think college was worth the most if people wanted the first.
I agree on alot of your points but I still love the Jordan and the Rice don't really care the grade id take a SGC 6 🤙😜😁🤘💯
You nailed it the designs oday for me as an Base Card big time fan - Its way too much in my eyes ...
Always appreciate your opinion and facts to back it up. I do agree with collection cards based off how they look and not how XYZ grader felt that day. I also agree with the patches and game worn issues. I personally don’t collect basketball or football because of huge amount of hit or miss per box (ex NT). I will ask this, you made a video a few weeks ago of prospects 1st cards and time to buy on some of them. Do you still see the value in these 1st cards?
There is undoubtedly value in Bowman 1st cards. They are THE cards for many baseball collectors, speculators and investors.
Give me the ugliest basketball card in history, the '48 Bowman George Mikan RC EVERY TIME ! 😉
i do love that card
It seems that all your comments match up with my collecting style. I buy mostly grade 9 for my collection & a few 10s where possible, or a key card that I hold in high regard. If it looks appealing it's on my list but if the design or image is clunky, I won't bother unless it's cheap, then it's just for completist goals. As a Steve Young collector, the 86 topps set is visually awful, I will always prefer 84 usfl, but actually wish his RC was Topps, as the image is the best of his 80s cards...... In my opinion. 👍🏽
@17:32 the real question... other than why would you even buy a Brook Lopez card... is why would you buy a card at all when you could buy a whole game-used, and dated, jersey... for half the price of the card?.. 🤷♂
Clean well centered raw cards are the best imo.
This video make me want to buy an 86 fleer Hakeem 🔥
Thanks Tpot
I agree with most of your points especially about buying what you like. I also appreciate that you are not afraid to bag on your boss’s style/approach. 1986 looks like trash! Maybe so, but it’s a period piece. Like saying the Mona Lisa isn’t high quality compared to today’s art. It’s not a fair comparison when you consider the period
Yeah I think it's fun to share my POV and to hear that of others, and everyone is certainly entitled to have their own! I don't ever like to rip on how others collect.
Thanks for watching!
Its not like saying that at all. You cannot compare sports cards to art, especially Mona Lisa. You are comparing a mass-produced Jordan rookie to a 1/1 art piece.
thats why you grade with TAG grading...
TAG doesn't grade patch cards or cards before the 90s
@@sp123 yea. True that
I graded 25 of my favorite PC cards with TAG. I love what they're trying to do and love their slabs.
Huge point you missed by a mile. It’s all about supply and demand. One reason why logoman demands higher value is the rarity. Yes you can argue that they make another 1 or 10 each year. But how about rest of the stuff for that year? Auto patches is by the hundreds and if not thousands by the year for that 1 player lol.
I think I agree with all of your takes. Panini definitely makes a lot of junk… if people want to buy stuff and have it retain value you can’t just accept whatever panini decides they want to pump out.
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Agree. I tend to buy rcs with the best aesthetics/rarity, but I’d rather have rare non-rcs than base rookies all day.
TPOT chose violence with this take
1st Bowman's to me are stupid. I would want the RC with the best photo and design. I have a Julio blue sparkle Heritage RC and it's one the coolest looking cards I own. Pack pulled too, so it has sentimental value as well.
Yeah I agree with you completely on each of these takes except the chrome take. The Lebron Chrome is MUCH better than the Topps base
As a person without the same means or resources opposed to most people I see on this channel I believe that Collecting & the hobby was built on SHARING so was focused on sharing each others common interests opposed to being about Hoarding Rare Resources, Showing Off, being Elitist, bragging, & having ego. Not sayin your that way TPott bc i generally like your opinions & views of the hobby... What good is a collection if others cant relate to it since the hobby is built on common interests as a community? I would rather listen to how much a 1986 Topps Traded Bo Jackson rookie meant to someone growing up over any day over why someone invested in a green pmg; bc of profit potential obviously. Hoarding resources & rarity isnt a good thing imo. But being someone who doesnt have the same resources, family support, or means could 100% skew my opinion. Im not going to be hateful or angry at those who prefer investing over collecting however I cant be silent when i think its detrimental teaching the next collecting generation that Hoarding Rarity for your Ego, status, & bragging rifghts mentality is a good thing.... Again not personally directed at TPott per se but we need more people pushing messages of morals & ethics above all else in the hobby & society in general.
For example;
How many people can relate to Logan Paul & his pokemon illustrator? Not many & i believe they follow more from placues of envy, lust, jealousy, gluttony, & the coveting of it. Opposed to actually being relatable & shareable to same community hes entered thus being about collecting & the hobby. Even in todays ultra greedy immoral unethical business practices our greater society still doesnt think hoarding rare resources is something good or that should be done... So why do we want that mentality in the hobby?
I think youre going to like my video next week!
@@MarketMovers awesome look forward to it. Also I immediately thought more on it after leaving my comment bc I know I personally chase the rarest I can at the prices I can afford so its not quite as black & white as I make it out to sound above. One of the best things about growing older & wiser is being able to reflect on your opinions whether new info changes it or pushes it another direction bc its so important to understand that everything in life is shades of grey not black & white. There are always acceptions to the rule so just another reminder not to be so quick to draw my line in the sand or make assumptions. So I believe there is room for both in this great hobby & business... Those that grew up only having base cards & rookies so will probably continue to do so to keep their collections consistent & on theme & curated to their liking while our generation (I'm 40) learn from that past generation realizing what actually made things monetarily valuable is true rarity & scarcity which is vastly different from something that has emotional or nostalgic value which could be the most overprinted card in the world. Not a true story attached to me but just as an example say Your Uncle Bob a pack of cards 4 you 4 Xmas & opened it together pulling a Cal Ripken Jr all-star card that reminded & prompted Uncle Bob to share stories of him going to his 1st game or meeting a player or whatever & thus in turn giving that base set or card much more meaning from then on consciously or subconsciously reminding you of that time & person...
Ole t pot had me with him for the first third of the video. I'm a mid 80s born baby as well and since I got back into the hobby in 2015'ish I began stacking 97 planet metals and such other awesome chase inserts as they were the core of my collecting dreams in my 90s childhood. But I think the 86 fleer basketball (comeback year into pack issued existence) set looks visually great and the Jordan's specifically are even moreso eye appealing cards. Feels a bit like Mr Pot mayhaps be trying a bit too hard with his "hot take" here for the clicks or what have you. But we all have our opinions so sure, 86 fleer basketball is fugly sell them all, especially your authenticated high appeal Jordan's.
National treasures suck bro honestly its a rip off none of these points are without merit
I’ve enjoyed your content and interviews. Great stuff. But I think you need a week off my man. 😮 Is Wilson giving you enough PTO?!
yeah there is Cuz ive Never sent anything in For Grading id rather just buy more Cards... so my collection can Stihl be Multiplied it can Always Be Graded..and your collection can only be multiplied by grading once.. and mostly should only be graded once... if anyone wants to crack and Resubmit .... your cutting into your Profit Margins.... and i dont know anybody at Psa anyways .... atleast your talking about Some Cards that i have let go of like the Kobe Chrome 50th sold it for 900 bought it for 100 in a Kobe Lot... hah sold the Hakeem 86 Fleer Hakeem OLD SGC slab probably sold it for twice as much as i paid for it... but the Rice i have 3 of Stihl.... 2 raw and 1 7.5 from some off grading company. But I Like Iconic Cards but i like Profit more sometimes
Rookie cards are the biggest scam since bottled water
Manufactured scarcity is the biggest scam since bottled water.
Collect 8s
Trim those brows
Great points, great video!
Man’s got the hot takes these days… haha
🌶️ 😝
Hating on icon vintage cards. Seems very strange and subtle way of trying to influence the market.
I really n I mean really hope fanatics doesn't make the same mistake panini did with all the over production of Rc's and or parallels, sets whatever the case Panini has really dumbed down the hobby single handedly!! They either don't care cuz of the loss with licensing or they thought the 2020 boom would fade into the next several yrs which is so stupid to think that way!! Keep things available to collectors without overprinting and making everything a useless investment!! A happy medium if u will but seems they only go print crazy to satisfy a greed by the owner who bs everyone when he was on SCI for the online card show!!
I confess that I watched this video once again and I listened to the Disclaimer but even after the Disclaimer this video promotes hate towards the base of the hobby. I just think that this video pushes people away from the hobby even though it's your personal opinion. We viewers come on here to watch fun positive content that helps grow the hobby. There is a place for the points you are trying to make and that place isn't here on Market Movers. I have reached out to others to see if it's just me but there's a rise of concerns over your personal opinions. If you think this type of content helps and you continue to produce such content I'd expect a few less views. I'm one of your biggest fans but I need to help stop you from destroying the PR of the hobby. ~Adam Elf
Sounds like you need to listen a third time. Your conclusions in no way reflect the actual content of the video.
I stay consistent with my analogy of how someone can frame something in an assassination type of way.@@monaco497
You don't care about "first" but one of the main reasons for liking the older Olajuwon card was because it was "innovative...ahead of its time...and set precedent"...I understand your opinion, but I thought that was funny lol
Touché 😂
But i dont like it because it was the first
It wasnt the first…Credentials came out in 1996
Amongus
People want more than one card of the players they collect. Rookie cards are universally demanded and is seen as the foundation of a collection. Collectors will start to personalize their collection after that
Highest selling card of all time is a 2nd year card, not mantel's 51 rc 🤔, let that sink in about rookie cards
bingo!! I was thinking the same thing
Shouldn't your nickname be T-Net? Maybe T-Cot? 🤔
It started out as T-Cott, and then I was dubbed T-Pott by coworkers and it stuck.
I see your points but
I agree with everything you stated in this video...and I will take it a step further...if your buying or trading for any sportscards based primarily on the future value in the hopes to profit from the sale of that card...you are NOT a collector. And before anyone gets salty...im only stating MY opinion that is neither shining a negative or a positive light.
So chill Winston.
But I digress...
Collecting sportscards is a hobby...meant to be fun and a distraction from everyday life...in regards to adult collectors. Because if we are being honest...sportscards, originally...were intended for children...actually the cards themselves I believe were secondary to the bubblegum.
And yes...im aware of tobacco cards...and again...they were secondary.
Bottom line...what im trying to say...is the super expensive cards of today are really just a very bad joke that is being played on the hobby...the over-printing...the hundreds and even thousands of 1 of 1's being made for just 1 player in just 1 year...the super inflated price points for boxes/packs...the nonexistence of any transparency to go along with mind numbingly bad customer service...the horrendous quality control that every card company displays with each passing day...the obvious fraud/deception and overall corrupt behavior that goes on with the breaking culture with not only the blessing but a helping hand from the card companies....etc...etc...etc.
I could go on and on but I think most people will understand.
I believe in American values...so naturally I believe capitalism is the best...however, the greed and disregard for basic principles being shown by the card companies as well as the vultures in the hobby...with the negative hobby gossip...OMG the sky is falling chicken little routine being displayed on social media...primarily on CZcams is horrible....and most people know it...but wont say it publicly because why...?
No more views?
No more ad revenue?
Insecurity?
Ignorance?
Scared?
We all can't be the cool kid millionaire with the best cards ever...
Anyways...thats my 2 pennies.
Carry on.
You should collect printing plates...no one wants them and they're all 1/1. Also, grading is a scam.
Cool, rare, scarce card >>>>>>>> rookie base card. Thanks for sharing T-pott!
facts
The gam rate for the Derek Jeter might be “one of the worst psa have graded” but only for sports I’m not even sure bc I don’t know that much ab sports cards. But I could name atleast 10 to 15 Pokémon cards (that’s what I collect) that has a worse “gem rate” than the jeter that has a gem rate of 21 to like 600 or whatever.
Right off the bat, not trying to be rude... but didnt you hype up those 2018-19 revolution first laker year cards of lebron? There's a shockingly high amount of them graded and i feel like i remember you being the one to push that. I may be misremembering things. If i am, i'd like to be corrected. But if that is accurate. Dont be a hypocrite on firsts. That is one of if not the worst examples of a first being pumped in the hobby's history.
It's pop 19,226 at PSA alone. 14,699 psa 10's. The entire set only has 35,971 cards at PSA. That card is over half of the entire sets pop. Someone hyped it up. That doesnt happen without a serious push from someone with a wide audience. Not many people it could've been.
if i'm wrong, then apologies. But if not. You shouldnt backtrack so harshly. Essentially saying you wouldnt even consider buying something you pumped is quite disrespectful to people who look to your insight.
That Akeem example goes both ways, youll always have more buyers out there looking for the RC psa 10, twenty years from now maybe a handful of people will care about that credentials card
"twenty years from now maybe a handful of people will care about that credentials card" thats a big assumption and Im not sure it will necessarily hold true. Although it might I guess if you think about whos collecting him in 20 years... probably wont be pc collectors, will be more like the HOF rookie or auto set collectors, so maybe youre right actually lol ignore me
This video has no business being associated with the sports card investor.
Agreed! I bet he would care if he had a 52 mantle rookie card
You talk a lot of sense
Please more videos from ya good self
I thought I was going to disagree with most of the points in this video. But I agree much of the points made.
I will quote Kramer from Seinfeld as to why rookie cards are important to the hobby, “If there are no rules, then you have anarchy!”
Rookie cards are important cause it gives collectors/investors a focus. If people in the hobby don’t know what to collect and get frustrated, they will leave. My biggest beef with ultra modern is I don’t know what to collect? There are too many sets, parallels, numbered cards, etc. Because it’s too confusing (along with the risk factor of the high price), I just don’t collect anything ultra modern.
Now let’s say the older rookie cards are devalued and some collectors like the 2nd year card, their last card, etc. The hobby turns into anarchy and you risk people leaving. The rookie card gives a footprint that this is the elite card of player X.
Now they doesn’t mean you can’t collect Michael Jordan’s 2nd card or Wayne Gretzky’s last card. That’s the beauty of the hobby as everyone should collect what they like. But there has to be some foundation for collectors to follow, and then we can decide what to collect. The Griffey example is the one I use everytime I make this argument.
I think your main point is that grading is a scam. The visual difference in todays grading standards between even a PSA 6 and PSA 10 cannot be seen. Therefore, differences in prices are not justifiable. I think alot of this, too, is a problem with scarcity. Most rookies arent scarce, unless you count the Tiffany sets or some sort of significant misprint/error rookie. Ive argued with people about the SP Jeter rookie not being rare. People are uneducated and do not understand what true scarcity is. A grade will never dictate the price on any truly rare collectible. The PSA pop report is NOT a number or guide of how many actually exist...its only a number of how many they have graded. If grade and low pop truly matter, though, then why isnt a low-grade 1989 UD Griffey rookie selling as high as a PSA10? Theres much less graded in poorer condition, which makes it SUPER RARE!! Try finding one with paper loss!! Now thats EVEN RARER!! All joking aside, this is why I mostly prefer original photos: you have the scarcity and you have an item that nobody else likely owns or has even seen.
I’m going to go wayyyy further than all that. 1. I would go further about grading then that! We are collecting antiques! Even if we collect modern cards their value will rise the older they get if the player is great. And almost ALL antiques are worth more money the older they look. Yes they need to be is some good looking condition but they are still supposed to look old as they are. It’s like that in antique art, furniture, cars, jewelry, ect.. Not saying damage adds value but they shouldn’t necessarily look Gem Mint!! 2. I think ALL Patches and Relics are BS junk!!! If you want a relic buy the whole damn relic, the patches look nothing like the item and they have NO nostalgia to them whatsoever!!! They are chopped up into 300-400 tiny pieces that would be unrecognizable! It’s purely a marketing gimmick the hobby fell for! None of the Relics look cool at all in any way, anyone just convinced themselves they do because of the price! 3. Tape Autographs are dump as hell. 1st off I don’t think autographs should add that much value to cards to begin with. The Mantles worth $20 million don’s have autographs on them and there are plenty of autographed Mantle stuff out there not worth $1 million. So how is that Autographed cards or RPA’s are suddenly the most expensive cards. It’s a gimmick people and dump as hell. 4. I disagree rookie cards completely because as you stated they are iconic. So people who were kids and used to collect in those era’s grew up with them so to them it’s nostalgic and the whole entire value of the hobby is nostalgia period! Also let’s say a player plays 15-20 years of course after a decade you know if they are a good player so why should you be rewarded for collecting the 2nd half of their career? That person who saw them play year one and thought they will be a HOFer should get rewarded for that. Now if you wanna say that their 5th year card looked better than their 3rd year so it should be worth more money and they are the same number of cards out there then I’m okay with that. But Rookies should ALWAYS be valued much higher if the scarcity is around the same. And I would go further and say if there are only 20 cards from the 5th year and 100 from the 3rd year then the 5th year definitely should be worth more. So in that case scarcity plus looks both matter. If you reverse the scarcity then they should be valued close to equal. And I would say I actually see that a lot to be honest to a certain extent.
The title of this video is concerning 😂
haha give it a chance! and it's just my opinions. :)
I think you meant you don’t care about base Rookie cards. You like rare rc cards (like me) like your finest Kobe rc card.
Hes talking about not caring about RC but why people care about relcs and patches is the bigger mystery in the hobby.
First comment 🎉
They sure make me money, and I don’t mind if it’s $1 or $1,000 it’s all worth something
I agree about grading its kinda overrated to me
How many people are actually posting cards around their house as decorations? My answer would be very few other than a few nerds. I think you have to go by the grading numbers. I suppose if you're a lonely guy you don't mind having PSA 6 cards plastered all over your walls. Enjoy the Silence
Id say youre detached from every day collectors if thats the case... I know the threads in my collecting facebook groups where people show how they display things is always full of great display pieces. Your comment comes across super arrogant but sadly its not uncommon to see
@@bubblesnz1059 I guess if you're still living with mommy. But, if you ever move out, you'll see that's a bit childish.
@@jaqueitch this is some toxic shit... for the record I live by myself in my own standalone house, and all the people im referring to are 30+ with their own lives and families.
Theres some serious irony about your childish comment
Dunking on the holy grails of any players cards, the ROOKIE, is a big F in the chat ..maybe a sour take? Can't afford maybe the ones you want?
Did you watch the video or...?
@@bubblesnz1059 yep watched the whole thing.
Watching and comprehending are two entirely different things.
@monaco497 bruh..You're reaching with that one
@@OutsideDuhBox reaching? its totally clear you didnt take in anything that was said in the video. Like sometimes its best just not to say anything
Rookie cards are the foundation of this HOBBY! sorry Tpot but i couldn´t listen past the 12second mark..
Zut! Maybe keep listening...I covered quite a bit, including some important disclaimers! :)
@@MarketMovers you know what, just because i really respect your work, i´ll give this video a go after dinner. curious to know you´re thoughts. looking forward to it now, really! warm regards from Portugal
I wrote out a comment that I had to delete due to my disappointment in this video. I hope we don't sere anymore like this.
This was all in good fun! Its not meant to upset anyone or criticize. Its simply an expression of my own preferences. Cheers!
Which part exactly? This video while just opinion, was near on 100% facts
No problem, I'm over it now that you have come back with an amazing video with a much more positive tone for the hobby enthusiasts like myself. Even as collectors we don't agree but when it comes to losing collectors because of a video on CZcams then I feel obliged to defend the hobby.@@t-pott4504
Any collector not chasing iconic rookies is not doing themselves justice
cringe
Any collector that is influenced by a random you tube reply is not doing themselves justice.
Still think the intro needs to be changed to something more professional and less ridiculous. However, the content makes up for the terrible and deprecating opening. Good video overall.
Sorry The Rookie Card Is The Epitome
Stop The Cap