The Story of Bagua Zhang Ep. 03 - Yin Fu
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- The story of Bagua Zhang was produced and released domestically in China in around the year 2020. It features four lengthy episodes covering different topics regarding the history and practice of Bagua Zhang along with various interviews.
I have translated, subtitled and dubbed this series and have also added relevant information for the international community to enjoy. I will be releasing it in smaller episodes for ease of viewing. Following this, I have some follow up interviews and videos that I will film and produce regarding the topic of Bagua Zhang and its history.
Episode 3
In this episode we look at Dong Haichuan's most senior disciple Yin Fu.
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Clearly, your sharing of this series was a labour of love.
Much appreciated, man. 👍
@@Billy-Mandalay thanks for noticing! And thanks for watching!
These are beautiful. 🙏thank you for your work 🙏
You are welcome!
Great stuff as usual. I got to work with Dr. Xie and Mr. He the first couple of times he came to the US. It was interesting. I'll leave it at that. He was a character.
Glad you like the series!
I truly wish they had done one of these for Magui Bagua as Magui learned first under Yin Fu and then Dong Haichuan himself.
Thank you for your work translating this!
My pleasure
Thanks for this, Byron.
You are very welcome
This very nice, thank you!
You are welcome
Liked, subbed and bell'd. Thank you for posting this series.
Thank you very much!
Could you allow the youtube subtitles? so I will add them in spanish
If you can do it like figure skating, then you can use Baagua. It is all about agility and footwork.
Legends em portuguese?
The Yin Style we commonly see in Beijing , Is different from the Yin style Men Baozhen taught Xie pieqi. You ever heard of him or met his student He jinbao ? There is healing and a medical side xie pieqi learnt . He jinbao is one of the few guys , who can use his art for fighting, And has good takedown defense .
This is a myth perpetuated by Xie PeiQi. He did a lot of this myth telling to try to make his branch more appealing to westerners. The medicine he learned he added to his Bagua practice after. He should have been honest about that rather than telling people it was an integral part of Bagua Zhang passed on from Dong Hai Chuan and Yin Fu. In his story telling he made it sound like they were also doctors which they were not. They were tax collectors and body guards. They did not have some secret imperial medicine based on the Bagua trigrams. There are so many problems inherent in his story. Firstly the Bagua/YiJing was not the foundation of the imperial medical academy. For those who don’t know the imperial medical academy had many of the great doctors of the time working and sharing in with each other. So Shang Han Lun doctors would share with Wen Bing docs. Doctors who based their ideas on the five element theories shared information with those who may have used YiJing theories like this. The YiJing was not at the base of imperial medicine. It was a large multi sharing academy. Secondly Men BaoZhen added the medicine idea because he was a doctor. Not Yin Fu. Xie just played up on the ignorance of foreigners to not understand how the culture was structured to perpetuate his myth. Third Dong and Yin were professional bodyguards and tax collectors. While they may have had some ideas of cultural medicine that they used in general in daily life it wasn’t some secret medical system that was at the basis of their Bagua. You can’t be a full time
Tax collector or body guard and a doctor. There are enough hours in the day and it takes time to become a doctor. You have to dedicate yourself to that. Fourth the myth that Xie also perpetuates in his interview with Jarek is Yin spent the most time with Dong and Men BaoZhen spent the most time with Yin Fu so they have collegiate level Bagua while everyone else has high school or grammar school level. This is also ridiculous because people like Cheng Ting Hua may have come to Dong with greater skill and faster ability to learn from Dong and Dong’s synthesis of his system may have been more consolidated and organized allowing him to teach an advanced practitioner better where as he may have developed his system while teaching Yin Fu who may have been less skilled when meeting Dong resulting in taking more time
To learn. So this whole claim by Xie is false. Some people learn faster because of more experience or more proprioceptive etc. I’ll learn a lot faster than a 5 year old because I have experience to pull from. Fifth Xie split up his system to make it appear more complicated with doing this animal and that gua with this gua energy to make it seem like it was even bigger. If I go to a boxing gym I can learn a jab with straight energy or fake a hook and hit with an uppercut instead but it’s just blending the five strikes but there are still the foundation of the five strikes with the myriad of combinations and footwork that all should be changed in real time. Xie tried codifying this to make it appear that the myriad of techniques that occur with any Bagua system when trained martially correctly or any martial art for that matter look like they are part of his system that is more massive than other systems that don’t codify the myriad of combinations but leave them open to discovery and freely mixing. Xie’s lineage is one of the many cool Bagua lineages but his reaction of mythology to promote superiority, especially among foreigners can be done with out
@@bboytao Very well said. I read that article on Jarek's website years ago and I also thought Xie's story was BS. Cheng was a master of shuai jiao and that would make him very formidable. I practiced judo for several years and I had a chance to spar against a local shuai jiao coach a few times and he was no joke. I can only image how good Cheng was, especially after training with Dong Haichuan for 5 or 6 years. Same thing goes for all of the other students that started their own branches. They were all experts. No one style/branch is superior.
@@bboytao sorry for the late reply, Very interesting and thanks for sharing. But how do you know all this, I mean your own research or you studied with him or something ?
@@naturemanironfist5621 I’m just someone who has studied Chinese history, language, culture, medicine and martial arts for a while. Then I critically analyzed what Xie said over and over in many interviews to information I’ve learned from many other sources and it really put Xie’s claims in perspective and revealed the obvious bogusness he commonly said. Again, I’m not saying his bagua is lesser than any others but what I am saying is it’s not more than others based on those claims because those claims as I explained above aren’t true. The only people furthering those claims are his successors who strangely have no real grounds to make those claims because they don’t practice any special forms of medicine derived from the bagua. Andrew Nugent-Head himself learned most of his medicine from other people including university while living in China and it’s obvious to see that he predominately teaches Shang Han Lun and Zang Fu Tui Na he learned from other people. Again, just do away with the mythos and accept their system as another legitimate system of bagua for people to study without the idea they got some special knowledge no one else got and they are superior because you can tell from looking at them and thinking about that those claims are false.
@@bboytao Good work appreciate it .
I wonder if it's more helpful or hurtful to study more than one style of Baguazhang.
More helpful, And almost necessary. As Dong was secretive and developmental..
Different styles carry different keys.. So the development of the various strikes seems to emerge much greater by the influence of the difference styles merging together.
For example, my style of Liang combines Yin and Cheng and other things Liang learnt from Dong as well
My sense of it, after almost 20 years with YSB as a foundational style, is that it is better to learn one style deeply. Experience other styles, but find the best teacher of the best system you can find and pursue that with diligence. On that road, experiment with everything you can; MMA, movement culture, rock climbing, dancing; live parallel to the 10 thousand things. When you're tired, experience the Book of Changes. I recommend the translation by Grandmaster Alfred Huang. Don't forcibly try to tie everything together, just spend time with the ideas.
You can't forget that old adage though a thousand techniques are useless if you don't have strong rooting in the legs .
its one of the most beneficial things you can do to understand bagua more. BUT at the end we want to stay away from learning too many forms (two styles can have an immense ammount of forms). instead, try to freestyle more, try to learn boxing, judo, BJJ or whatever benefits your game
It is said that practising martial arts techniques ceaselessly is not as beneficial as walking the circle. There is definatly some truth to that. As long as you already have some skills.. And your walking is done with purpose and understanding of the subtleties. Though most of the skills arpund are not considered high skills anymore. In my research the last Master that people actually found could kept appearing behind them, Was Wang Shu Jin in modern accounts. I can't recall any documents of outside people with any real skills that tested masters and had this result occur. But his predessesors cannot seem to add any real value.
There was 2 twins in some village that seemed to have it.. The Skill and flavour. Most of the rest I 've seen were pedestrian at best in terms of real mastery. And I am still yet to see a single person that can do or even talk about the 72 earth demon legs.. Let alone really apply the 64 palms.. Not in its real sense.. its all quite passive rubbish you couldn't use on a seriously aggressive semi trained opponent. let alone master on master level combat. But thank you for your efforts in translating this..
What I do find amusing, is that all of these masters tine and tine again cannot even link the i ching to the bagua..
So if that's not happening.. how can they have understood the right way and path to practice. No wonder so much has been lost..
You can't help but wonder what Dong Hai Chuans Bagua looked like.
Supposedly only Dong had mastered all of the palms.
Ma-Gui who was a direct student of Cheng Ting Hua said most people mastered some of the palms,Ma-Gui didn't master all of the palms but his chi power was so immense it didn't matter.