Order of the Holy Communion, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod 1941
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2016
- INTRODUCTION
The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod (LCMS) published a set of 78 rpm phonograph records through the Concordia Publishing House in St. Louis, probably to coincide with the introduction of the 1941 hymnal. That traditional hymnal has since been replaced throughout most churches with yet another hymnal featuring more contemporary forms of praise music, to the disappointment of some. To the "old-timers" I lovingly dedicate this video. These fragile original records were borrowed from the record collection of my fellow-collector and organist friend, Ralph Pugh.
TECHNICAL DETAILS
The recordings were made on location and were probably cut on acetate disks using a portable cutter. The results were less than studio grade. Some background noise will be noticed due to record wear. Some of the records were so heavily warped that transcriptions had be taken at reduced speeds and then digitally sped up again. Minimal noise filtration was used to preserve as much fidelity of the recordings as possible.
This actually brought tears to my eyes. So much a part of my childhood. Beautiful.
Same here. My church moved first to alternating TLH with LW, and eventually dropped TLH in favor of LW and "contemporary" services. That's when they lost me. I remember saying to our pastor "WHY do you have to drop the "red hymnal"? All of us that grew up with it love it." He replied "the Bible doesn't say you have to use the red hymnal," which is a ridiculous answer.
SAME!!! I miss this liturgy. I can still sing every word of it by heart.
Mine also. I am so thankful for my many relatives and these great old Germans and this beautiful Lutheran chorale. Cherish the memories as we are now living in a terrible time of Marxism paganism and so many cults are attacking our beautiful God and church. Including our hostile government. Oh Christ our Lord save us from this horrible assault on our precious freedoms. Bring back strong alpha men who speak truth and unite our families and bless marriages with many babies.
We use this liturgy at our church. It’s Divine Service Setting III in Lutheran Service Book.
Me too!
This is one of the greatest things that I have ever seen or heard on social media. Amazing! #Lutherans unite!
Hopefully, people from other denominations will listen to this, someday.
How anyone could put a thumbs down on this beautiful liturgy. It’s the best!
I really miss the 1941 Hymnal and the Orders of Service. I remember playing those Services and Liturgy for my church and others as guest organist. The hymnals since do not compare.
I have my Grandmother's Hymnal...printed in 1941. I grew up with this service and miss it so much! Especially the part "Create in me a clean heart, Oh God"...etc. So happy to have found this!
We use the TLH every Sunday and I love it !!
I really wish that some day they will return to this version. Nothing comes close to it!
It is Divine Service setting 3 in the Lutheran Service Book...
@@JefferyAClark not exactly the same though. Different keys, the beginning is different too.
Not likely. I don't think Lutherans even know how to be Lutheran anymore its some morphed over version of a right winged pentecostal catholic and very much unexciting boring version every hymn Blaise. Where are Beck Ore and Manz when we need them. But I will not go there because I care about it too much and I'm not going to ruin my Sunday stewing over what no one cares about anymore. Especially not after what they did to Dad Martens. I am not Lutheran nor ever will I be after that. You can have it. I won't have it!!!
@@stevewallschlaeger1379Consider that many of their students are active church musicians. Dr. Ore is still alive and performs from time to time (and has resumed caring for the music building koi fish at Concordia University, Nebraska now that the new music building is in use).
Would it be correct to guess that you were once in the A Cappella Choir during Martens's time as choir director?
Agreed! People would do anything to use the 1941 Lutheran hymnal, again.
By the grace of God, I found a church in Richmond, Virginia that still uses the Lutheran Hymnal from 1941. The Matins service is absolutely timeless.
Bethlehem Lutheran is one of the greatest churches for not following suite of other churches & synods within the Lutheran church.
Know that there are churches that still use this liturgy!
My suggestion to you is to start looking within the Missouri synod list of churches.
I heartily thank my friend for all his work in making these discs available on-line through good transcriptions. I hope that this link will be provided on many Missouri Synod church websites, for the interest/benefit of those members who remember this fine old liturgy from their younger days. I was just a teenager when, from July 1972 until September 1975, I had the high privilege of playing this liturgy on many Sundays as one of the organists at my hometown congregation, Immanuel Lutheran Church (LC-MS) of Alpena, Michigan. Years later, following my move to metro Chicago, this set of discs was given to me during my tenure (1996-98) as organist at Bethel Lutheran Church (:LC-MS) of 1410 N. Springfield Ave., Chicago (disbanded in 2008--as no one at Bethel had any use for them at that point. I recollect that the 1941 hymnal was replaced by another (inferior) one in around 1976--though many congregations retained the 1941 hymnal for many years--and I understand that a few still do. Cordially, Ralph A. Pugh.
The LCMS pushed for a unified liturgy and standardized rubrics and was a major force behind Lutheran Book of Worship what is lovingly referred to as the "green book". Unfortunately, the LCMS backed away from the LBW due to irreconcilable differences with the other Lutheran Church bodies and created Lutheran Worship instead. My Mother grew up LCMS and I have a blue 1941 TLH, I have great affinity for the time honored Liturgy which was also in the Service Book and Hymnal. I love that today we are blessed with various Liturgical settings. Yes, it may be difficult for some but it provides us variety so we can stay engaged with the liturgy and stretch us out of our comfort zones to maybe think differently concerning the liturgy and reexamine our selves.
Mindy the pastor's voice was very probably my Grandfather's Rev. Lois Heinecke . He had congregations in Michigan. I have have his voice recorded on a tape of my Parent's wedding and they are identical to this recording.. Thank you for sharing this.
Oh, how I miss this...
My mom passed away last Sunday at 79. This is the hymnal I was raised on. Thank you for posting this.
This is the beautiful liturgy I grew up with which was still in usage in the late 70's in our LCMS Church - it shaped my young Christian imagination of the Holiness of God. Nothing like the older liturgies, thus I now worship in a ACNA High Anglo-Catholic Church that uses most of the old but similarly beautiful 1928 BCP - Thank you for posting it :)
I miss this So much !! My heart and soul aches for this..😢
We use the 1941 TLH and Common Service in ELDoNA
Divine Service III in the Lutheran Service Book is the exact same service. I'm surprised your church doesn't use it. You should speak to your pastor.
My heart is filled with joy as I listen...
This service gives me comfort and peace
This liturgy is still in use today 2019 in my childhood Trinity Lutheran Church in Great Bend North Dakota. Been searching for this for years! Thank you for posting. Flooding memories.
This is a great liturgy, but I think it's time for churches to get with the times and get the most recent hymnal, the LSB 2006. But I think this liturgy should still be used, but not all the time.
John Sluder we don’t need to move back to the past, and we don’t need to stay in the past.
This is the same as setting 3 or 4 in the new lsb I think
@@TheJakeman789Let the society change with the times. God's Word and His Church is eternal.
@@TheJakeman789 You need to stop being woke. Lutheranism has a terrible leader today. Harrison. Many are furious with him. This church is sinking and losing more members under Harrison than any other time. And people need to be fruitful and multiply as God commands. Not one kid by age 40. We need to get back to old Lutheran of Walther and Luther.
Thank you for posting this bit of history! I still celebrate this order of service from time to time.
You should do it all the time . The trend is to go back to it .
@@olivedarb03 amen. Yes always. Why anyone would desire to change this is beyond my ability to comprehend. This was a great generation unlike the sickness we have today.
🙏🙏🙏 Many Memories Here.Thank You Fore Sharing.🙏🙏🙏
True Lutheran Liturgy.
I love how this version of the setting has all the sung responses in the beginning.
@@TheJakeman789 I wish the pew edition of TLH had included the music for the pastor's part in the beginning, as the altar book did. It is improper for spoken parts to be answered with singing. Other than that, I agree with you.
You bet. I remember this as a boy. Precious memories I cherish.
The organ piece at 18:39 is so tender and beautiful.
My home congregation used TLH until 2008! Sadly, it has closed and now is a wedding chapel...
This Liturgy is wonderful. Why I'm not a fan of Lutheran Worship, the Lutheran Service Book is good too. Though I was not raised a Lutheran, I did have occasion to attend LCMS parishes that used and still use the Lutheran Hymnal, and so I quite like both the Lutheran Hymnal and the Lutheran Service Book.
I am thankful to be able to hear this liturgy. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
Lutheran worship is the liturgy. Not sure how you can not be a fan, but be a fan
@@kaliki76 He was speaking of the hymnal Lutheran Worship, published in 1982, which was a travesty.
Grate Holy Music .
Grew up with this service in the 80s and 90s!
Same here. It was a longing for my childhood that led me to search for a video like this.
Setting III is still the same
@@toddberner9198 Basically yes, but they are not the same.
@@toddberner9198It is mostly the same. There are a few small differences.
Praise be to God!
Thank you so much for this.
It is so neat that this setting still exists in the new LSB.
Too bad they changed keys to a lower key on some parts of the liturgy, and took out the sung parts at the very beginning of the service. This hymnal and it’s liturgy is so much better. The only decent thing about LSB is the other service settings, and some hymns.
But how many churches ever use it? Mine doesn't. 😢
It most certainly Does Not. They have changed words and key signatures and even notes. They changed te deum laudamus. It most certainly is Not the same. That precious lsb is in need of its own breath. It is boring. It definitely does not have to be but it is what they choose to be with it. I really don't think even Luther himself would choose Lutheran as they think of it these days. I know I'm not and I wont
@@TheJakeman789 three sharps may they live forever. If you don't use the liturgy i definitely won't be there. I'm not opposed to what is new i am opposed to lifeless boring and mundane. The word service means you practiced and gave service. Running through this is the feast like a train wreck is Not my idea of service I'm so sick of that I don't care of EVER hearing it again. Unless you want to make it like Carl Schalk intended to be. That....would be a different matter indeed.
THANKS BE TO GOD!!
Thanks for posting this document of Lutheran faith and worship. I was raised in the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church on the West Coast and have fond memories of the beautiful liturgy we celebrated there. In particular I recall the J.S. Bach chorales and the liturgical vestments our pastor wore. The liturgy was always prayerful, sincerely spiritual and beautiful. I thank God my mother had the good sense to raise me in a liturgical church. I did not remain Lutheran but am now an Orthodox Christian and reject the schisms of Western Christianity but I will never speak evil of the baptism and other spiritual gifts I received in the Lutheran Church, though I never became a communicant there. I pray for my first pastor and my mother who introduced me to the faith in Christ, for setting my feet on the path toward salvation which comes only in Christ.
For the first decade of my life, I attended an ELS church that probably used a later edition of this hymnal because some of the liturgical music and words on these records doesn't coincide with my memories. Still, no one does worship music like the conservative Lutherans and even though I've been ELCA for 13 years, it's good for my soul to return to my spiritual roots once in a while.
Run far from the ELCA. I’m praying you do.
The simple and true answer to that is that certain parts of the introduced liturgy were simply not used that way. Ever. Some congregations may have done it but I think it doubtful. We became used to fermatas in certain places and singing it a certain way. I loved it. For instance Magnoficat we didn't do it. The song of Zachariah didn't learn it or do it. The canticle supposedly optional for the antiphon we always sang the triple hallelujah or the appropriate hymn of the season. The choir customarily sang for instance Hail thee festival day. Any number of Walter Pelz Carl Schalk anthems which were new at LBW publishing in 1978. Some of them were not available for us.
How I miss page 15!
Well how bout it. Do you miss page 32. That's what I miss.
What about Evenimg Prayer from LBW. Which I missed out on completely because of their Lutheran dogma crap and their walk out garbage. I really would like to ring their blessed necks for trivial disagreements which split everyone apart.
@@stevewallschlaeger1379 Matins in TLH is superior to the version in LSB for sure!
God bless u.
Does anybody know the name of beautiful prelude that was played before the opening hymn?
Not sure, but you are my twin. :) I am always asking questions like this one.
O my soul, rejoice - Chorale Improvisation by Sigfrid Karg Elert
We still use the closing hymn used here..
Our current LSB still uses this as setting III. Known as the common service. Originally from 1941 TLH
But it’s keys have been changed, and it’s missing responses.
It’s the best on liturgical and song tunes. If you don’t believe this then compare it to the several ridiculous newer ones. The gospel and warning people of our dangers today are what is important. All the new robes and new hymnals which are not as beautiful along with changing stuff by these boomers born after 45 through about 1960 are the problem as the got in on Marxism taught in colleges and universities and just don’t understand true Lutheran like those old Pastors who are dead or well into the later 80s through a century old in years.
It goes back further than that, it was in the 1913 green hymnal also...
@@timnewman1172That hymnal wasn't adopted by the whole synod. It was produced for the English district.
The "Gloria in Excelsis" is of Scottish origin and goes back about 250 years!
@@timnewman1172
17:11
Offertory
Do you know where I could find the chant that was used for the introit? Those were not included in the standard pew edition. I consider myself very fortunate to have grown up with this hymnal-I missed out (thankfully) on LW.
The antiphon is available in the Brotherhood Prayer Book, and also in Service Book and Hymnal (Augsburg 1958). The psalm is 19 (KJV).
Unfortunately, the musical setting to the antiphon and the rest of the introit are not the same between those hymnals.
@@shellieperreault6262 thanks!
The best resource which may be a starting point is to contact Teddy Beck now Ellison. She is the daughter of the late Theodore A Beck. We all knew him beloved as Dr. Beck
His father was Albert Beck. I interviewed Dr. Beck once he told me his father Albert had a great hand in the 1941 Lutheran Hymnal.
Concordia Publishing House holds the copyright to TLH 1941.
The intro its other music may possibly be located by Teddy she has knowledge of Dr. Beck's works i hope you find what you seek.
Please do not embarrass yourself if you contact Dr Becks daughter my teacher had a great deal of his life's work in LW and there are many good points found within.
More importantly it would hurt Teddy named for her Dad to hear that
Many of us loved him dearly and miss him
Especially the Pelicans he wrote for our choir specifically. He gave his everything to church music of LCMS.
As I consider this they would certainly be in the liturgical organist edition of tlh wouldn't they?? I would say. Tlh was originally published through Northwestern Publishing house i think and picked up by CPH but I am not exactly certain. You will find them if you really are supposed to find them. Rights to copy and permissions can be purchased if you find the originals. Somewhere in some organist closet tucked away safely guarded they exist
in my opinion heaven is the lutheran hymnal !!!
TLH = The Lord's Hymnal... LOL!!!
"That traditional hymnal has since been replaced throughout most churches with yet another hymnal featuring more contemporary forms of praise music." I don't think this is a fair representation of the current Lutheran Service Book hymnal which includes the old TLH "page 5/15" order. Divine Service I isn't "contemporary praise" but a faithful liturgy which boldly proclaims the Word of God where much of the accompaniment was written a very long time ago (in the 60's and 70's). Divine Service V is the service that Luther wrote, with some modification. Divine Service II was left in for the small number of churches that use it from the LW. Nearly every hymn in the LSB is also in the TLH, with a few newer hymns such as "We Praise You and Acknowledge You" and "Praise The Almighty" and others that have been written by faithful Lutheran hymn writers such as Starke, Blersch, and others who were too young to write hymns for the TLH. While I agree that nonLutheran, secularlized, and CoWo style music should never be in our hymnals (or in our churches for that matter), don't denigrate the LSB which is a very faithful, confessionally sound hymnal, much easier to read and use vs. the TLH, includes more of the Daily Offices, more resources, and even had technology appropriate for 21st century churches (Lutheran Service Builder, online lectionaries, download hymn accompaniments, and the SOS organ service, a necessity for some churches).
Anyone who says "I miss this...", why?? Divine Service III in the Lutheran Service Book (current hymnal) is the EXACT SAME service! We use it all the time in my church. What has happened in your churches that your pastors aren't using DS III?? If you miss this service, then go to your pastor and say, "Pastor, Divine Service III!!!"
Can somebody tell me what the hymn of the day is at 15:32?
Looks to be the an alternate Lift up your heads, ye mighty gates.
TLH 73 1st tune
Wels common service is very similar to this
I hate to break it to you but once upon a time it was called the Lutheran church of Missouri Ohio and other states. It was once just simply Lutheran. Only because of the folly in the world and dis Agreeable human is it not any longer Truly Lutheran.
I wish that there were agreement and peace. That we are united. Lutherans need to throw out the whitewash and actually agree
@@stevewallschlaeger1379 i know all of that lol. But no elca they r messed up
Its not used very often as service 111
anyone who has such a record i would like it if is that they would share it.
The agnus Dei is the piece of liturgy the lady was asking about. Not a hymm. Liturgy. Hope this helps.
Goin for a lofi sound I see. Or rather, hear.
James Clausen, sorry but I do not know. Good luck.
This is setting 3 in the new hymnal idk what is so different about this??
Really? There many differences. The liturgy response in the very beginning of the service is spoken. Keys are different, etc. you need to do some research and compare TLH and LSB side by side. Compare pg 15 from TLH and page 184 from LSB
TheJakeman789 5:37 that’s the same
7:18 same
7:46 same have mercy upon us
Big Whane your really ignorant tbh
The Confessional Lutheran faith is the True and Apostolic faith.
I like this liturgy, but there is nothing wrong with the new LSB hymnal. Even Lutheran Worship is nice. But the contemporary band music and rock music is garbage, and belongs only on the car radio, and outside of a church setting.
I don’t like the tunes of the new. This is most beautiful. But I agree on all else pantheism does not belong in a Lutheran church!
The 1941 Lutheran Hymnal was authorized by the United Association of Commission on Worship. One Lutheran Church. United under one banner. We do not have that all of the divisive human divisions and unaccepting excuses for why they divide is folly. I do not follow the useless wordy and completely mundane music b o r i n g of 2022. When they get there act together maybe the pews will be filled up and until then i listen here.
Check out the history of the "Historical Critical Method" in the Lutheran Church.
Go to my home page.
I am surprised to hear the liturgist speaking his parts, while the congregation sings theirs. Ideally, he’d have sung his parts and they’d have sung their responses. There must have been a strong push to stop pastors from singing their parts, unfortunately. Christ-centered music seems to be one of the things God has used to combat the effects of evil and to strengthen hearts and prayers.
I have pastors that chant very well. others should keep on talking.
That is the way it was in all LCMS churches during that time up through the early 80s. Then times changed. Now you tell me why this was not as good when this very old hymnal has more liturgy and Lutheran chorale than any book they have put out since and the churches were full back during this time up through the 60s and 70s because I lived in the 70s and I remember. Why has it all changed today and why are the churches emptying out? This was a good generation of people. Cultural Marxism has destroyed the church, and I am not impressed with very much that is going on with the churches today. They keep trying to correct something that was once so good and they made it worse. And the churches are not filling up. It’s because the pastors and people have given into not having any more children or big families and have given into gay marriage or just ignore it and given into sin because we don’t want to offend people -we need the money instead. oh I can go through a whole long laundry list and I can name the big culprits today and years ago. Listen to Walter Maier Sr. And CFW Walther who stated in the 1870s already that communism and Jews and Marxism and Jacobins and seculari humanism was beginning to take a hold of America and he warned the church that this would destroy it. We have gotten so far away from the founding Lutheran fathers that it is sickening today.
That is simply how it was printed in TLH, unfortunately.
While it was intended that the liturgist chant, the liturgist's music did not make its way I to the pew hymnal. The liturgist's edition was delayed until 1949 (in part due to WWII). By the time it was published, the practice of the liturgist speaking with the congregation chanting in response was firmly established. There were some exceptions. They made sure they didn't repeat this mistake with later hymnals.
@jochimbenschneider1915 Pastors started chanting because of Marxism, gays, and Jews?! With all due respect, you wear some strange spectacles. Meanwhile, are parents in your congregation daily praying with their children, reading them Bible stories, and teaching them hymns? If so, well and good. If not, why not?