Proper Way To Tie Off To A Dock Cleat
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- Proper Way To Tie Off To A Dock Cleat
We get asked all the time, what is the proper way to tie off a boat to a dock. Well here you go.
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Retired Coast Guard Chief here. Excellent and concise instruction. We call wrapping the line in a circle a "flemish" or "flemishing". It helps to dry the line and looks sharp. You're a gifted mentor to the thousands of us who watch your channel. Great job! Semper Paratus!
Hello David Canwell, thank you for the kind words. Thank you for your service in the Coast Guard as well. I know some of the Coast Guard members in Florida are probably working over time right now after Hurricaine Ian hit. We fully support all of our service members and truly appreciate their dedication and service to our county.
Been boating for over 20yrs and I do the same process! Never failed me regardless of how long I was tied up or the conditions. Someone showed me this way when I got into boating and have always done it this way w/ much success. Sadly I rarely see many others do it this way. Although as some others have stated if it is a windy day I will go around once before the figure 8, but 9 out of 10 tens I've been fine w/o it. :-)
Hello P V, like you we have never had an issue.
Thank You!
You presented it very well, and I am just starting with my new boat, "Now I Know"!
Captain Carpman
Hello Mr40tt, glad you liked our video and found it helpful.
Thanks. That helped a lot. We just boar a new boat and I'm learning to tie up to help my husband but I get nervous and it takes me a little time compared to others. I'm going to try it tomorrow when we go out.
Hello Elizabeth Rose, hope it helps.
Quick and easy great video, great teaching style
I work as a first mate on yachts. I can honestly say that you tried the boat up right but you needed to put more slack in the line so that the bow is not sitting over the dock. If you get hit with some boat week you will do major damage to the boat the way it is sitting. Very good informative video on the proper way to tie a boat.
Hello John Darnell, glad you liked the video, and thank you for the advice.
One of the best. Very easily explained. 👍🏼
Thanks Robert Poole, glad you liked it.
Short and to the point. Thanks for a very helpful explanation.
You're welcome Harvey Lipshitz, glad you liked the video.
Thanks just what I was looking for easy to follow Great Vid.👍
You're welcome, glad you liked our video.
Not lying, I literally looked up this video because my job is to dock boats, but I’ve never done one before, and I see a boat like 20 feet away coming in
There are many different ways to tie off a vessel. The method we showed in this video works amazingly well for our lake.
I was a dock master many years ago, no one knew how to tie a cleat knot. Still to this day, you can walk down any dock and will seldom see a proper cleat knot.
Hello masdbro, care to share your method with us.
@@LakeHickoryScuba Your cleat hitch was correct. If the boat has to be in that space with the bow near the dock, you had no choice but to tie more of a breast line. Of course generally the boat should be back 10 ft or so and the bow line would go forward and one would use the far side of the cleat. This is more desirable with tide changes especially without a floating dock.
how did it go
My brother owns the ‘Great Escape’ thanks for the good rope lesson.
Sounds like you got an awesome brother. Hopefully he lets you ride it.
As always, excellent video and explanation, thank you
You're welcome John Williams, glad you liked it.
Great video! Thank you; this helps me a lot as a new boater. I've been tying loop after loop around the cleat because I really don't know what I'm doing lol. Also, kudos to you for being so gracious and brotherly loving to this guy in the comments that was in my opinion, way out of line with you. Very Christian, and a great example!
eastbend99 Your Welcome, glad this video helped. I've learned over the years that arguing over the internet is pointless. We all are in titled to our on opinion, and I respect everybody's opinion. I also believe their are more than just one way to skin a cat. What works for me may not work for all.
The word in warm weather is full wrap,,horn,,horn,,horn,,twist and lock
nice video showing the knot demo. Another vid shows using a daisy chain for the excess and I'd have to agree. That way, less of the line is exposed to the sun, and very little of it sits flat on the dock where it could sit in moisture.
Thank You Andy P.
Been tying up my Duck Boat all wrong for years... Now I know how to do it right. Thanks. 👍
You're welcome Warren Pouyer, glad you liked the video and found it helpful.
Thats how I was taught except to loop it twice. Great tips. Thank You
Hello Jeff Jassby, glad you liked the video.
Mate! That's a great tip , thanks mate
You're welcome Dean Macka, glad you liked the video.
Very good video. A good thing to mention that the bow line should be about a foot shorter than the boat. Keeps it up of the prop.
You make a great point David B. Thanks for sharing.
This vid saved me on my new deck job duty for tomorrow
Glad our video was helpful to you @willcole972.
Speaking in great detail
Thank You.
great job
Excellent video
Thanks Papa Reno G, glad you liked it.
Good video. Thank you.
You're welcome Nube, glad you liked our video.
Yes! Thank you.
Glad you liked the video David Rutter.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I kept on getting confused on which way to twist the line. Any advice on "spring lines"?
Hello Charles Clements, Springs Lines are a great additional tool that can be used to lock a vessel in place at the dock. Here on our lake, we don't really have to concern ourselves with them based off our body of water and the lack of movement compared to the ocean. The biggest thing to consider with a Spring Line is, make sure they are long enough. Here is a great video from West Marine explaining the lengths that are the most useful. czcams.com/video/j_MjIDpT1Co/video.html
O.K., thank you.
Great video
Thanks Hal
Thanks for the tip!
You're welcome Ron Beatty, glad you liked it.
Usually here we do a full round, overlapping the line going to the boat as well. That creates more friction, and locks it better. The one demonstrated here is usually only when filling fuel f.ex.
Hello Glenn Jacobsen, thankfully, we have never had any issues doing it this way.
@@LakeHickoryScuba But it is wrong!! A round turn is a round turn and you did not complete it. It might work for a small boat but a bigger boat would pull it through.
Leaving a little rope cinnamon roll for the lake gods to keep the boat safe.
I guess so, I have never heard it called a rope cinnamon roll before.
Thanks very useful!
You're welcome Terri Achatz, glad you liked the video.
Full round turn around the base and three figure 8's. A cleat hitch is unecessary and will get jammed under the right conditions (Heavy weather surging, ice, etc.). The eye on the boaw cleat should tension at the base, not the horns.
Great tips 👍🏽
Thanks Cowboy Jojo's Adventures.
Bravo Zulu. When you create that "circle" with the line is is called "flemmishing" the line.
Or a half Hitch
@@dustydorsey1751 I believe that you're mistaken. A half hitch is a type of knot and has nothing at all to do with how he tidied up the extra line. Are you referring to the cleat knot he made? Because that's not what the comment was about if you read it more carefully.
Thank you!
You're welcome Erica Chappuis.
Revisiting this video after a few years: There's currently a debate going on about whether or not to finish the cleat hitch with a locking turn. Especially in Britain, the current "best practice" advocated by some is to do a full wrap around the base of the cleat, then the figure-eight, followed by another loop around the base. They call it the "OXO method." It's possible, according to the OXO advocates, for a hitch with a locking turn to jam under load, making it hard to release in an emergency. Frankly, I've been using the method shown here for more than 50 years and never had a problem, but I just thought I'd pass it on.
Thanks for the info SeikiBrian. To us, it all depends on location, and environmental conditions.
@Kaptain Kid "you are absolutely correct for ANY part of the world. Seamanship is not nationalisitic."
When I said "Especially in Britain" I was referring to current recommended practice, not what works or doesn't work. Seamanship IS often "nationalistic" when it comes to what is or is not being taught. One need look no further than the British and Americans continuing to use "tiller orders" long after the adoption of the wheel, when other maritime nations had standardized on "rudder orders." (Britain changed over in 1933, and the US changed in 1935.)
Appreciate that. There's always another way and an open mind is a healthy thing. Never could stand those who act pompous with their knowledge and then are quick to insult others for not doing their way. Sadly no shortage of those on the docks. I appreciate you.
Thanks, great video! Novice question though: What knot do you use for the end of the rope that's attached to the boat cleat?
Hello Spud Smith, glad you liked the video. The dock lines that we use, have a loop on one end. So, most of the time we use just a simple girth hitch over the cleat. We stick the loop though the bottom of the cleat, and then wrap it around the ears.
With that much extra line, it would be a perfect opportunity to also use it as a spring line. Oh, and it called a Flemish coil.
You make a great point. On our lake and for smaller vessels its not really needed, but for much larger vessels, the spring line is a great idea. And you are correct, it is called a Flemish coil.
@@LakeHickoryScuba Having a spring line keeps the boat parallel to the dock, and ensures any dock to boat impact is shared between all fenders, not just the midship one.
Thank you
You're very welcome 325 AF
Fun! Cool looking! But he could lash the cleats faster if he just walked up to them😂🎉
Hello @user-kf4xb5mf5j, glad you liked the video.
Looks like a bulls bay 2200? If so, how do you like it? I am in the process of purchasing one right now actually!
This boat belongs to one of our Instructors. It serves its purpose and performs flawlessly.
First of all if you have been around boats you will know that it is not called a rope, ropes are used on land. In the marine world it is referred to as a line.
A rope is a rope, until it's made into a line, by either attaching it to the boat or a boat part, such as an anchor. Every line has a proper name.
Just curious if you have ever done any diving on lake Jocasse in upstate SC ?
Hello Shawn Skiver, we have done a ton of diving in Lake Jocasse and Lake Keowee. The pump house in Lake Keowee is one of my favorite dives, plenty of penetration at moderately shallow depths. As far as Lake Jocasse, the Mt. Carmel Church / Grave Yard, and Jellyfish Hill are probably my favorites there.
Main rule is to have just few inches more of the rope after tying Cleat Hitch. All the rope should be on boat. 3:17 might be danger for people walking next to boat.
MrRafterPL Thank You for watching our video and commenting
You are absolutely right.
Never hope anyone helps outside
It’s 2am, and I don’t even have a boat. Why am I watching this.
Hello Brady Bird, we don't really have an answer for you. However, we thoroughly appreciate your viewership.
This might be a dumb questions, but what is the know to tie it to the cleat on the stern or bow? I’m renting a boat (my first time driving one) and we’ll be going to an island requiring me to dock. Any pointers would be much appreciated!
Hello Supermanwithatan01, tying up a boat with a little practice is pretty simple to do. Typically, here on our lake, a simple line from the bow cleat and stern cleat is all that is needed. On larger vessels, or in larger bodies of water, a spring line from the side of the vessel is ideal.
What about when the dock set up has the cleat on the boat are not parallel to one another but staggered by four to six feet
By creating the V, as stated in the video, it helps keep the vessel in position. Great question Joseph Krowski.
Keep both ends and all of the extra line on the boat. Cleat on the boat, not on the dock. The half hitch at the end is unnecessary and prone to jamming so tight that it can't be undone. On larger yachts, on halyard and sheet cleats, the half hitch is forbidden. One full turn, one figure 8 and two full turns on top is all that's needed.
Hello Trevor Rabey, we have had a different experience than yours. Happy Boating.
Thanks
You're welcome Richard Miller
What is the name of coiling the rope like that in a spiral? The navy calls it a certain name, I forget what it is.
Hello @NytronX, the end tail is FLEMISHED.
One more thing: OWN your dock lines unless you're at your destination and leaving the dock.
For short stays, connect the line to YOUR deck cleat , then pass it to the dock. Have the simple connection on the dock such that you can release it from your boat. A simple loop around a cleat or bit or piling is all you need.
Then lead the bitter end back to your boat and secure it to YOUR cleat again.
This way you are never dependent on having someone on the dock to release your lines. You never know what kind of crazy knot they will fashion that you will need to undo.
Especially if you need to leave the dock in a hurry, such as an approaching storm.
Hello Jerry Nordland, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
Thanks!!!!!!
You are welcome Randall Gayman.
If a boat drives past and causes wake it looks like your boat would hit and Bang on top of the Jetty how would you avoid this?
Hello treebs, we use bumpers on our docks and vessels. The helps protect from any damage.
no need for locking hitch, agree with the vee, but then go around once, O, cross over twice, X, then all around once again O and cinch tight, easy to remember OXO
Hello Don Munro, we really haven't ever had an issue with the locking hitch.
It's called "Flemishing" the line when you coil the excess.
That would be correct
"cheesing" in UK & navy ! :)
My boat came with chock cleats (open cleats that angle) on the bow and stern. Can you tell me how to use these? Seems like the rope will slip right out of them.
Chocks are not meant to be tied to. They are basically a line guide. For instance, you may have a bow light in the middle of your boat and you would have a chock on each side to guide the line away from it.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks for solving!
Your're welcome.
The cleat hitch itself wasn't bad for a short stay, but if you tied my boat up like that, the first thing I would do is retie it!
anyway you can link me to the best video you have seen on these?
i'm new to this and looking for the best method
And once you pushed your boat back, your "V" became something else. i.e. does not matter V or not in your case. Even better not to cleat it at more than 30 degrees to prevent it from moving back and forth. Same for aft cleat.
Hello Pierre Siquet, thankfully, we have never had any issues doing it the way we showed in the video.
What is demonstrated is a half cleat hitch, only good for temporary use, like at the gas dock, as it can loosen. A full cleat hitch is much better. See m.czcams.com/video/BBqsF72xNSU/video.html
We really out here on boat knot CZcams
Hello Sean Curran-Cross, hope our video helps.
Or throw the excess rope in boat and cover up. Rope gets wet if it rains ..
Here on our lake, ropes always get wet.
LakeHickoryScuba I’m saying if your docked for days .
I understand.
Some real rocket science there.
Not real sure if its rocket science, but it works. LOL
An excellent presentation. However, professionals hate locking hitches.
Your video is good. Still, it may be wise to include what maritime colleges teach.
Hello Meville Cottee, we host several boater education courses yearly through the North Carolina Wildlife Resource Commission, and they all teach this method. Coast Guard standards do not apply on our water, as we have non navigable water ways.
Thanks for replying. You are quite right; for small boats, a locking hitch won’t jam with enough turns underneath it. Cheers.
Looks like the bow could wind up riding on the dock if the wind picks up.
Thankfully, we have never had that problem Nathan Jones.
Try that cleat on a boat larger than 29 feet. Not going to be strong enough. I usually do a few figure eights and then rap around the cleat as a lock
Hello blewyd, sorry to hear that you haven't had luck with your vessel. We have not had any issues here on the lake dock larger vessels using this method.
@@LakeHickoryScuba oh my vessel is in New York City on the Hudson River where there are many other boats, and tides so to get the lines really secure, we have to use stronger knots. I get it if you are on a lake. I did not realise.
Sounds like a busy place
blewyd If you are in a farily well protected harbour i don’t think you’d need a much stronger knot than a cleat hitch(Unless you boat is over 40 feet or so), but i would make a stronger cleat than this. I always do a full wrap around the cleat and not a 3/4 wrap like in the video, then a figure 8 and then lock it up, works fine for me even in windy conditions at my unprotected dock:)
Figure 8s and a wrap around? Hahahaha!!!
awright.
Hello R Zambory, hopefully our video helped you out.
Lol coiling the rope up like that is 100% to let other boaters know that you know what you’re doing
Yes Sir.
Boats are "tied up" with "lines" not ropes. Rope comes on s spool, lines are purpose-specific lengths of rope.
ok boomer
Back at ya "6 packer"!😁
Hello Robert Castle, kind of reminds me of the old question, "Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?" LOL
The audio is like 10% of the loudness it should be.
Hello @NytronX, sorry the audio quality was so low on this older video. Hopefully, our audio has gotten better over the years.
I would feel remiss not to point out that the excess stern line is not coiled neatly to “let other boaters know that you know what you are doing...”
But it does look cool Bill Richardson. LOL
That may work for warm water Lake lizards, try that in February up here in Maine and you're gonna see Why we don't put a locking hitch on to the cleat. The proper way as trained by the US coast guard is one full round turn ( by the way you did not take) 3 figure 8 followed by a final full round turn to lock it in place. That allows you to not have to scoot your fingers anywhere near the Cleat In high winds or when the damn line is frozen. Nice video for recreational boaters but making the statement that it's the proper way really doesn't take into consideration how the rest of the world Works.
Plufis1 Thank You for watching our video and commenting.
You are completely wrong. The full round not only locks but can jamb the line. I find it hard to believe that the Coast Guard suggests that.
Absolutely right Plufis1. AND here the original post would be regarded as anti-social.
In the UK (on a floating pontoon) most people bowline loop at the dock and tie off on a cleat aboard the yacht with an 0800 and maybe a cleat hitch to finish if it's not winter. Spare line is coiled on the boat and safe from 3rdparty tripping on the dock.
The dock cleat is often shared by adjacent boat lines....easy with loops, fed up under existing line/loops so that leaving can be in any order. Completely impossible with the mess of line you have left on the dock cleat. CZcams's Captain Bob's Whatnots demos this in about 30 seconds.
Leaving we prepare, and set lines to slip 1st...so thru (or around) the dock cleat with both ends led to a cleat aboard. The shortest bitter end on the cleat last and this short end is then slipped from aboard, thus minimising snarl ups at the cleat and rope in the water for propwrap.
Calling one method the "proper way" lines you up for a fall lad. It's just "A" way.
Thank You for you insight.
No locking hitch.
It can and will freeze solid in cold weather.
Yes you demonstrated the proper way !! So WHY don't folk use it? If you are required to share cleats then hogging the cleat by over rapping is selfish. That said if overnighting you might wish to add one more hitch.
Thanks Andy Miller for the comment. Here at our docks, boaters have their own slips and cleats.
What about the back end?
The same would apply Michael Ambrose.
Sadly, you failed to place a full round turn. It was only half a round turn.
A full round turn will do as it says: round the cleat or bollard fully, and is more secure than your half turn.
Perfect way to tidy line after, though. Yet, you will end up with quite a twist when you recover that line. Laying it from above will NOT put a twist in, and, therefore, is instantly ready for use.
Hello Wave and Stray, thanks for watching our video and commenting. Thankfully, we have never had an issue here on our lake doing it this way.
@@LakeHickoryScuba If you are doing a video, get it right.
His cleat tie was exactly correct, as is. Check authoritative references.
This boat is gonna hang if you get a tide haha. Bow line is way too short.
I guess its a good thing we don't have tides in the lake.
I like how the guy who does not know the difference between an ocean and a lake is giving advice. LOL.
Best easiest way is to use a Looprope or a BuoyRope
What ever works for the individual boater, then that is what he should use.
If it’s a cruise ship then use something stronger than a looprope of course lol. If it’s any type of boat smaller than a cruise ship it works like a charm.
We don't see too many cruise ships on the lake. Although, that would be awesome if we did.
Rope? On the water it is called line!
Hello jawhitak, I've always wonder things like, why do we drive on a parkway, but park on a driveway? Its just weird.
Aka a half wrap
Hello Karlo Markovic, we encourage boaters to use which ever method works for them.
Our docks dont have cleats 😂
Hello Earth Solutions, that would definitely throw a hiccup in the matter.
The volume is low
Sorry about that Theodor4Life, hopefully our recent videos have better audio quality.
Informative, but, There is no Rope on Boat. It's called a line.
Hello Steve LaBrache, thanks for watching the video and commenting. Its interesting you say that, according to the packaging the Lines / Ropes came from state they are called Dock line, made from Nylon Rope. We also sell Tow Ropes that attach to a vessel as well.
Sorry, good information for the tying but who has time in this world to be making little circles with a rope. not me at least.
That thing ain't going no where
So far it hasn't.
cannot hear you
Sorry Ian G. Hopefully the audio has gotten better in our current videos.
Lets let the bow hit the dock while were at it, smh
Why stop there, I think we should flip it upside down and sink it. It would make a great dive site. LOL.
Much too complicated to explain the simple. Forget the V thingy. Also wrapping the line in a coil on the dock..Flemish Flaking...is actually considered bad form, because 1. line does not dry out properly, and 2. dirt/debri from lines will leave marks on the dock. Better to not have a bunch of extra length on your tag line to start with
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us Alex Pineiro.
The best way is to take the knot back to the boat cause then you can untie the knot while on the boat.
Thanks for the input.
MemoryLaneCinema I
That's not a complete round turn.
Hello Michael vass, sorry to hear that you disagree with video. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
If you've bought or even rented a boat and don't know how to tie it, you should be on land.
Proper way according to who? 15 years as an angler and 10 years working for the US navy says other wise to your tie down. Not to mention your "proper" technique isn't any different than the common way to tie down. You just deleted the secondary loops but yet yours is stronger? Your logic makes 0 sense
Thank You for watching our video and commenting. Also Thank You for your service in the military.
Where is your video?
joenarb don't need to make one. There are several great videos who illustrate the proper way to tie down. I just wanted to point out this is not the proper tie down technique. By that I reference basic boating and the navy standard for sock line ties. They usually know a thing or 2 about boating.
CK_32
Were you in charge of tying up those big grey boats to the cleats ? You must have been special to get that job
Exactly. You are so correct. Thank you for your service. Mad respect for you and other soldiers.
There are no ropes on a boat.
Possibly. Thanks for commenting Stuart Muir.
NOT the way to tie up a boat!!!!!!
Hello Peter, sorry to hear that you did not like our video. Nevertheless, thank you for watching it and commenting. Each view and comment we get supports us financially. Thanks again.
@@LakeHickoryScuba The proper way to tie up any boat is by using a bowline or large eye splice to secure to the mooring line to the cleat or bollard
@@peterhinton3352 No, that is wrong
@@WarthDader74 No that is the correct way. It allows other boats to use the cleat/bollard without the need for you to untie them if you wish to cast off. It also keeps your rope on your boat. Watch any commercial boat tie-up with an eye splice or Bowlin
@@WarthDader74 I refer you to a booklet "Seamanship Notes" by Kemp and Young which states," When it becomes necessary to put a mooring line onto a bollard already occupied, the eye of the line should be taken up through the eye of the line already there before placing over the bollard. Thus ensuring when the time has come to cast off either line can be released.
It is so sad to see the blind teaching the blind. That is not the correct way to moor a boat to a cleat, I'm not even going to try to correct you because the whole thing is wrong right from the get-go.
Hello Jonathan Simmonds, sorry to hear that you did not like our video. Nevertheless, thank you for the comment. It supports us financially with each comment we get. Thanks.
@@LakeHickoryScuba So, you're fraudsters eh? Putting out incorrect information and still profiting from it? Shame on you and all who fall for your incompetence mooring a boat.
Why can't i just use a carabiner clip instead of this crap
Hello Jayy, Thank You for watching our video and for the great question. You can use any system that you feel is appropriate. There are always more than one way to skin a cat.
A carabiner clip? Hahaha.....really?
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Carabina would only be at a fixed point on the line . Every mooring differs according to where the cleats are on the pontoon ,and riverbanks you might need to fix stakes into bank . doing a tie as the video shows is traditional way. Although this rope mooring shown is not totally correct method,it's good enough to hold the boat securely. ( sorry this was answering Jayy Tee 's question)
Yeah because I want to spend that much time of my boating day rolling up the rope, GTFO!
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It took 45 seconds to roll up the rope. That’s too much for you?
Get a mike so we can hear you first before educating people!!!
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You mean mic? As in microphone? I had no trouble hearing him.
@@5elevendesignz511 We knew what he meant and the volume was very low relative to just about every other video I watch.
Yeah that’s not the proper way to tie about u do not put one figure 8 an 1 half hitch if a shrimp boat comes by u u will not get the half hitch off always have a towing an a backing 3 figure 8 an thin a half one figure 8 will Pull slack an catch half hitch guy need to find a new job
Hello Ciara Adams, thankfully we don't see many Shrimp Boats on our lake.
Lol a wake board boat come but with 12 gallons of water in the balac tanks it will suck a boat 4 feet off a dock
SHIT AUDIO
Hello Ian Garener, sorry to hear that you did not like our video. Nevertheless, thank you for watching and commenting.
If you put a hitch on a cleat during a maritime test, you will fail. A professional seaman might lose his job if he did that. See “coastguard boating education”.
Hello Mevill Cottee, we have had a different experience. Thanks for the comment though.