How Petrosian Wins Without Calculating!
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2023
- Tigran Petrosian's chess was often mystifying, but always amazing. This game was played in Zurich 1953, one of the most famous tournaments in history. His opponent was the great Svetozar Gligoric. Petrosian plays against the King's Indian and creates beautiful structure where he is able to wrest the advantage with minimal calculation and tactics. Enjoy the chess wizardry in this game!
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When Petrosian doesn't calculate, he's a "positional genius", when I don't calculate I'm "stupid" and "blundered mate in one". Smh my head
Shaking your head your head
Tigran V Petrosian Efim Geller Paul Keres cheated Bobby Fischer.
Cheating genius.
Men have two heads, don't forget about that.
Even blundered the comment 😉😀
op didn't write a "wrong" comment, it's called humour
I fed my family with the King’s Indian has to be one of the most Armenian quotes I’ve ever heard. My first regular opponent was Armenian and his pawn play always shut my pieces down, and he loved Petrosian. Underrated, not flashy, but solid Old Testament chess!
Got to commend Petrosian, this was one of the most beautiful games ever.
Petrosian had such a unique style. No one plays like this nowadays
Petrosian was heavily influenced by Aron Nimzowitsch's style and book, it reflects on his games.
I do
Because its not ideal. Only Petrosian could play like Petrosian, try to emulate him and its a disaster
@@undefeatedwrestler8301 Please state rating and post a few games for analysis.
@@elyas4637Armenian Style! Armenian Power !!!!
To the point, no nonsense, fluid and clear commentary. You just earned another sub!
Folks think that Petrosian didn't calculate, but remember, he was a speed chess player on par with Tal. In his earliest appearances on the Soviet chess scene he was considered a fearless tactician. One of his trainers introduced him to one of Nimzovich's books (My System) and Tigran changed his playing style completely, becoming closer to Capablanca who often use "petite combinations" to build up winning positions with minimal risk. He definitely was a rare talent.
I love Petrosians play and try to mimic some of his ideas. Really was a beautiful strategist in positional chess.
I once locked a four pawns chain. Suddenly I was chasing the opposing queen with my knight.
Yes. But Spassky said "Petrosian is a superb tactician."
Happy to find your channel. So happy to see some good old chess before people were told what moves to do by a computer and actually had to create for themselves. So much more beauty in these games
players also had more distinct "personalities" reflected in their play. A playing style. Nowadays everyone just plays the same lines and ideas because they know what's best.
Thanks ChessDawg! Great to see classic games of the all-time greats.
Love the step by step explanation and alternate plays. Subbed!
Thanks John for analyzing a Petrosian game from Zurich '53. Good job!
I really enjoyed this game, thanks. The commentary was instructive and well-paced.
I'm not sure about that. Spassky always said that Petrossian was, above all, a colossal tactician. Fischer had more or less the same opinion about him.
Even if you intend to sidestep tactics, you have to see those tactics in order to avoid them : )
@@vibovitold Exactly. Petro used his strong sense of tactics to neutralise his opponents instead of using it to destroy them.
@@DarthMessias it all comes down to who you define "tactics" and "strategy". For example trading his strong bishop for that knight, thus giving up the bishop pair, to create a weak pawn structure was tactics in my opinion. You can't really separate these.
@@Puschit1 Man, tactic is when you calculate lines. "weak pwn structure" is purely strategic judgement that can be meaningless in the current tactical situation.
@@peceed there may always be dynamic, or even outright tactical compensation for weak pawn structure.
a weakness is only a weakness to the extent that it can be exploited.
neither strategy nor tactics can really be considered in isolation, it's more about where the emphasis goes, but it's a spectrum.
at least that's how I understand it.
Fantastic breakdown. Of many videos the pause and green arrow breakdowns have been the most clear.
Thanks for the analysis, I love Petrosian's style! Greetings from Italy 🙋♂
Excellent analysis - highly instructive as well as entertaining. Thank you.
A superb strategic game that echoes Capablanca and foreshadows Karpov.
fk karpov that backstabbing dik sking western whre
love this type of game, would be happy to see more like this. well explained throughout
Great analysis & explanation!
Another great breakdown! I'm glad I recently discovered your channel
Very nice explanation. Thanks
Love to see more of the old masters of the game
Thanks for the game and explanations.
thank you for this wonderful review.
The best chess analysis on you tube.
Enjoyed your analysis. Thanks for your efforts. Just found you today and subscribed.
Wonderful! Welcome aboard.
I love the why you explain christal clear love it keep up the good work pls
Great analysis and storytelling about my fave GM thank you
Thank you, for nice analysis.
PETROSIAN-THE MASTER OF DEFENSE!!!!!!
Great presentation
This is very first time I am watching it and I am impressed by your video.
Enjoyed the good commentary! I have always been impressed with Petrosian’s style.
Oh yea, Very impressed with your pronunciations of the foreign names!
Good job!
Thanks, Frank.
Not quite correct pronunciation of Petrosians Armenian last name. But thanks a lot!!! Good Job !
One of the hardest GMs in history!
Correction:hardest to defeat
hardest 🤔
@@wa1ufo Tip: you can use the "edit" button on the right side to correct your YT comments... ;-)
Wow, what a beautiful game!
10:30 your voice cracked a little bit, I was also nervous lmao, subscribedd
Man I love that title extremely much. You are the only one to ever make positional Chess feel so romantic. for want of a better word.
Liked this review, sub
Nice game and good comments.
He had a reputation for having a helluva lot more draws than wins.
Being a good GM is more about not losing than winning.
@@marianorivera3272 sure, but Petrosian's style fell on the passive/preemptive side even by good GM standards.
@@vibovitoldwell, it worked better than anyone else's style since he became world champion
@@aries2764 the tortoise and the hare. these two observations aren't mutually exclusive.
He also had a reputation for being almost impossible to defeat.
Thank you for the video! I like the way you speak! For your knowledge, Armenian last names ends by "yan", not "sian".
nice commentary
Nice video
the tactics are implied!
Petrosian 's simplicity , a chess game like art
I like your analysis. Please look at some Efim Geller games.
Chess is not only art, but also character, precision, and figural foresight. However, the computer does not know any of the above except the algorithm. 64 fields and 32 figures and rules. You don't need to count 4 million steps to win the game. A human brain with visual organs can develop human cells that can outperform even quantum computers on a limited board.
Because tactics did not occur does not mean the game had none. Tactics and calculation allows one to play the “calm” positional moves. It is more subtle than just saying oh I only want to play positional moves. Your opponent can always middy the waters as Gligoric did here with Bf2! Petrosian had to see far enough to know he would defend against the initiative and prevail.
Guess it depends on your definition of "tactics." There were plenty of motifs from Petrosian that eventually led to the possibilities favoring him over his opponent, it's just that the advantages being accumulated usually didn't lead to his winning material
Apologies for the newbie question, what would be wrong with pawn takes b to c6 at 5:40 ?
It is an excellent question. I should have mentioned that move in the video. The problem bc6 is that it gives white the d5 square for his knight after he takes back with the d pawn. It also opens up the a2-g8 diagonal leading right at black's king. White would have a significant advantage.
With 4 moves Petrosian secured the center without response. He was laughing inside. Not trading the bishops was also genius by Petrosian. He wanted the dark bishop to stay obsolete.
As has been pointed out many times before, 37. Ne2 is a huge mistake that completely gives away all of White's advantage. Black plays 37...Rxe4! and the computer says with best play it is completely equal. This was discovered shortly after the game was played; well before the computer age.
He was all tactics and he justified his positional play with the tactics involved, just look at the games he annotated and you'll see what i mean.
37. Ne2 (11:35) was a big blunder, because black could equalize by Rxe4. (38.fxe4? Nxe4 39.Qe1 Qxd5 etc) Maybe Petrosian should have calculate that move!
I'm sure there was plenty of calculation in this game. Even when you're playing highly positional you still need to calculate potential tactics in order to be sure your moves are safe.
It's Tee-GRAN Pe-tro-see-AN
Well, actually it is Pe-tros-yan ("y" like in "yes")
8:00 how do uk they are weak pawns? How do u even see pawn weaknesses?
*Great* analysis; but what’s the answer?
When I started to read chess books , and going to simul exhibitions given by masters/experts/ Petrosian was invited to the Boylston Chess Club, in Boston Ma.where I played him, wished I would have recalled where I put that score sheet!!! Think I resigned by move 12 or 13:-) 1980 or 1981 seems about right.
Wow, what a great story and experience!
@@chessdawg Thanks, had I known I was going to really catch the chess fever, I would have made sure I recall where I put it!:-)......there was no ICC, no on line chess, in fact I never even attended a USCF OTB chess tournament at this time, think my first on was in 1987!!..the only opponents I was playing was neighbor friends and work associates....but I loved chess books, but I spent way too much time studying openings, just a total waste of time...think the Russians teach it correctly....BACKWARDS (endgames)>>>>then the MIDDLE GAME>>>>>>THEN the openings.
5:27 - interesting how each pawn chain was pointed away from the opponent's king
That is the idea with castling.
The longest undefeated streak is held by Petrosian.
I also did a pretty similar thing in a chess tournament at my school(btw this was back when i barely even knew anything about chess and i still don't know much about chess today) and won the first match.. I knew which were their roles and where to move them but had no tactics at all so pretty much at the start i copied what almost everyone does in the beginning..which is move the pon to a certain place and then move the horse..then after that i just moved random pieces on the board..it was so funny looking at the guys expression ..he would sometimes nod the starts to look confused at what i was doing.. anyway i won that using my queen and rook or whatever it's called.. though I lost the second match.
*Pawn
Was actually simultaneously watching this video and porn and this actually grabbed my attention more!! Tremendous content! And the chess game was no bad too!!
"modern computer show it's a blunder.. but it takes a moder computer to see why".. wow
If you don't mind me asking what is your rating
I am 2150 over the board. Around 2400 online. There are links to my online accounts in the description.
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Botvinnik said never accepting Petrosian's sacrifices
12:12 G. already had weak king defense before 12:12 then he gets greedy and grabs the pawn, hanging his bishop out to dry unless it retreats to f7. G should have kept his queen back to help the king. G. basically trapped both his rooks AND queen trying to attack a well-defended king that had 3 pawns intact on 2nd row and 2 rooks available to help defend and abandoned his king pretty much. :(
Yes, Petronas was unique, he really extended the Nimzowitchian ideas.
Masterpeice
I have minimal tactics as well. Not because I’m good rather I don’t know how to….
Honestly too complex for me to calculate atm.
I just watch what my opponent does and play according to the general rules of defence n attack.
Gligoric had a good score against Petrosian in KID though.
Complete Amateur here, but @ 5:25 if the Knight goes C5 and gets pushed off by Pawn C4, can it not move to B3 threatening White Queen and then to D4 looking to exchange with Knight on E2, followed up with Knight to G3 capture the Rook on H1 with the next move to F2 threatening the Rook on D1?
Help a chess noob out.
White's knight and bishop both control d4, so the knight would be captured if it landed there. White would win a pawn and control the key dark squared diagonal in that case.
0:52 😂
6:48 isn't this a tactic though? He didn't play it, but he could have, and that's what made the move strong. Without the tactic it's just a knight sac.
Tal would have seen Kxf4.
What is the computer estimate for "accuracy" in this game?
You pronounce his surname a bit wrong. It should end like British "yarn" with the accent on this syllable. Great video anyway, thanks a lot!
Какой ещё "петроужен", когда он - ПетросЯн
Looks like glibarich could have made better moves with his nights
I think he actually calculated
2:51 quite ba-ah-ahd 🐑🐑
you are clealy a strong player do you have a title Chessdawng ?
When we were active in the same chess club 5 yrs ago, John had a rating near 2200.
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He was so good at beating the King's Indian...
Me who's best opening is the King's Indian: OH FUCK
Lol, I play it too.
No tactics is one thing, but I doubt he didn't calculate!
В фамилии Петросяна нет буквы Ж, как Вы произносите. Чтоб было понятно, напишу так Petrosian Sian - там нет буквы Ж
He’s like me, but, better
"No tactics" **Ng3**
I wish chess videos would be less talking and just showing the game
12:13 I'm maybe stupid and a nub at chess, but why won't the blacks just move the knight at E8? And if Queen takes bishop at H5, then blacks just go knight G7. I mean not saying that the blacks would definitely win by making these moves, but idk at least it has some variants and seems equal to me
Black would be down an entire piece and can take e5 after that. At this level, white would have no chance of saving the position.
@@chessdawgok, got it, thanks!
Seems like Petrosian did plenty of calculating lol
Exceptional game. Computers showed Kings Indian is a bad opening on the GM level. But Tigran knew that before the Silicon Era.
I enjoy your commentary. You add additional layers to the game.
K P A C U B O
gg dog !!~!!!~!!
petrsoian was a nimzowhitsch student. that means to be world champ using nimzo style had better know tactics and calculation. i dont buy the premise of this video
Sorry, but nor "Petrozhian", it's PetrosyAn
Il faut être très naïf pour croire que Pétrosian ne calculait jamais .
He Lost tô bent Larsen with a great tatics
His surname is Petros'an, not PetroZHIAN.
No disrespect for his legacy, but for me, Petrosian = The most boring world champion of all time. And it's not that I'm a fan of tactical maniacs like Tal or Fischer, but even other players known for their positional and profilactic styles, like Karpov, stayed active and tried to play for a win. Petrosian just passively waited for his opponent to blunder.
Please look up how to properly pronounce Armenian last names.