I Absolutely DESPISE The Eldar
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Oh no. I can already hear Pancreas nowork approaching.
Majorkill coming along for an air strike
Oh no
Why am I hearing the beep of an insulin pump?
@@popelite9926 best you check on that. Don’t wanna die
I like it. It's gives opposite shit posting opportunities
Probably the funniest bit of Eldar lore I like is one of the reasons the Necrons went into hibernation was because with the Old Ones gone they expected the Eldar to basically self-destruct and decided to just wait it out.
Then come modern 40k and the Necrons were proven basically 100% right. The only thing they couldn't foresee was the Eldar blowing themselves up so bad they basically started dragging all of reality with them via the Eye of Terror turned Great Rift.
Necrons: phew. That escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand.
@@brok56 Necrons: Our expectations for you were low but HOLY FUCK
I mean, it was not that hard to predict that a society of basically immortal, hedonistic psykers engineered to be living weapons would eventually tear itself apart.
Oh yeah, took some real genius to figure a civilization would decline after several million years lol
@@drnage4495Yeah, Imagine if the Necrons woke up 50000 years earlier and the Eldar just start hunting them down
Pretty sure the Necrontyr weren't created by The Old Ones. They were part of the life that already existed in galaxy before those space frogs showed-up, hence why they have nothing to do with the Warp/Psychic powers, which The Old Ones were masters of.
Yep the necrontyr where just a fluke
So from what I understand there was a lot of life that existed independently of the old ones. The old ones would typically seed life but also uplift it. They were gardeners, essentially.
It’s not clear if the necrons are older or younger than the old ones but they lived in the same era of the galaxy.
It’s worth pointing out just like the tau, necrontyr do have a presence in the warp as do anything with a soul, just very minor and no psyker.
Also hinted at that humanity may be the reincarnation of the Necrontyr do to how uncanny similar their physiology and adaptability to becoming Necron Pariahs. The Necrons just want to go back to living life with cool powers the Old Ones were too lazy to give up and gave the Eldar, the badly copied versions of the Necrontyr, cool but unstable powers without any further planning. TTS Emperor was right, they were sh***y grandparents!
Theh were wrecked in the first war, they all lost their souls after becoming the Necron
I can guarantee this entire video is just foreshadowing a titanic battle between PancreasNoWork and Mr.Bones
Hell yeah. If it is lore driven drama, while making every crook and cranny visible by us, who didn't read all the 500+ books and stories, i say bring it up!
I wouldn't care for personal drama. That is the worst and lowest form of voyeuristic entertainment.
@@relight6931.
Fighting over personality = cringe
Fighting over fantasy factions to prove that whitestreaks the perfect standard to hold for how to deal with any elf anywhere at anytime = based
I thought Pancreas didn’t like the Eldar much.
@@Kingofdragons117 He's a Eldar simp. He even made a video on why the Eldar should've been the true protagonists of 40k
Pancreas vs some idiot
"I absolutely DESPISE the Eldar"
This title was made by a true child of the Emperor of Mankind
In defense of Eldrad going to Fulgrim, he could have seen all the shit the EC got up to and thought "These guys seem at high risk, I should warn them."
And yet DIDN’T notice all the red flags? I mean, just warn another group of marines that the EC are at high risk!
To be fair to eldrad while he was dumb, far more credible characters have tried to all tell the more reasonable primarchs about the heresy and the only ones to listen was Alpharius and Omegon. So it's not like he was ever going to succeed.
@@adamhubert6298Alphy and omegon listened to the totally not pro eldar doomsday cult because they had a vague plan to maybe defeat chaos at some point in the future. God the cabal story arc is just painfully silly at times
@@LordCrate-du8zm For example, TS could do something, if they would be warned.
Oh, shi...
@@adamhubert6298 yeeeah but it’d be better to try and fail at convincing the Imperial Fists, than it would be to stroll up to a legion of purple clad super soldiers who are worshipping the god of spiky dildos that literally eats Eldar souls. Talk about the rabbit strutting up to the hound dog to warn him about the hunter.
Eldar could be made very cool: predicting future, technology undistinguishible from magic, jumping from planet to planet via the webway, giant jumping robots, evasive, mysterious and puzzling. But then their stories would have to be written by somebody with a half of a brain cell. And the Avatar would have not to be basically a punching bag that we can kill in every battle to show how this space marine or another is like really strong.
That's everyone who's not a space marine tho
@@vaiyt the assassins get done well, the guard get done well, the eldar do meh and needlessly so, the clown eldar either get to be WAY TOO OP or next to useless, the necron are oddly done well, they can be silly, scary and cool. The only faction that’s really done the worst are the tau, since they shouldn’t be a thing, they should have been sent to meet the dodo bird a long time ago.
I personally think the bloody handed god needs to be shown to be like he was in the gothic books: more like a natural disaster, something unavoidable like the laws of nature, you can’t stop the pull of gravity and you can’t halt the war god.
I actually prefer them as they are currently. They are amazing as someone you love to hate. I don't want them to ever become likeable or reasonable.
They are cool just not written well, one thing I'd like to point out is they give all the Eldar cool toys to other factions they aren't OP at all, they are literally never written as OP and the one time they took out a bunch of Custodes easily it was Harlequins not Craftworlders. Predicting future? Necrons do it better + have time mastery in chronomancers because obviously they didn't have enough going on. Technology and giant robots? In many ways T'au took the robot and sleek eastern aesthetic off of them. The most specialised, effective units in their role? Oh Primaris do that now.
*PancreasNoWork will remember this*
I find it hilarious how in Warhammer 40K you have these ultra intelligent characters like the primarch's space Marines and eldar that make the most stupid decisions because they lack enough maturity to control Thier emotions despite living for hundreds of years.
I mean the eldar experience emotions hundreds of times more intensely so is an eldar gets angry at an opponent it puts angron to shame
Maybe that's what being treated like a God does to you. Not necessarily good for your character I suppose. Maybe they are victims of their own superiority. Although even that explain all dumb Primarch moments, I am aware.
* doesn't explain
Great intelligence without great wisdom only serves to cope away great mistakes
But people still love that crap.
There is an animation on CZcams called "Perturabo beats Fulgrim", apparently inspired by a scene from the books, and... tons of people love it, but I find it the dumbest garbage.
Who could forget the space elves for setting Angron on the path to daemonhood when they headed for Nuceria to eliminate him but predictably fail as he slaughtered them when he was a child?
Who could forget that what really brought about the birth of she who thirsts were the space elves holding hands?
In all fairness angron was doomed the moment the nails were implanted. Not really the elders fault
@@taco5225they are the one who ambushed Angron life pod (who is a baby mind you) trying to kill him and failed, which heavely wounded him and making him an easy capture for the slaver of nuceria. So yeah it can be safely said that its those knife ears fault and his fate would be different if the attack didnt happened in the first place
the thing with Angron is very confusing honestly, they could have just, used their ship to gun him down, literally no reason to leave it, just float 30m above him and gun him down, hell, might as well nuke him from orbit to be sure but nah, its time to leave the ship with guns and engage a god child in CQC
Some of the dumbest lore in the setting and that's really saying something. Beating Eldar (a race that can predict the future and have guns that rip the fabric of reality apart) as a child doesn't make Angron seem cool, it just makes the Eldar look stupid.
@@Ghastly1Konrad's first act after reaching the surface of his planet was to ambush, kill, and eat a person. Angron being Angron, he was probably even more badass as a baby and took the Eldar by surprise. Ferrus Manus fought that Necron thing as a kid multiple times and lived until he killed it. Perty was able to cling for a cliff for days I think? When he was a baby. It's entirely possible Angron could have pulled that off.
Dorfs: have beards
Knife ears: beardless
The choice is both clear and easy
But which ones have epic magic and sexy women?
@goni2493 dorf have rock and space magic and cool shortstacks 2 drink u under da table... just don't mind them also having beard...
@@goni2493 Women are temporary, gold is forever
@@SonOfTheSonOfTheSon so Dwathern women are ugly.
There was a joke character who later became a fan favorite in my dnd campaign where the blacksmith my players met was an elf named bear. They expected a slim skinny androgynous elf only to be met with a mountain of an elf who stood taller then the half orc, had a beard to put the dwarves to shame, and an obsession with perfection in all his work. They always went back to him anytime they needed equipment cuz they knew from that point on bear ment quality.
I think the Eldar could work as a faction but they’ve been absolutely abused and neglected by GW for years now and honestly I think the Craftworld Eldar are kinda obsolete as a faction.
1. The Eldar’s ability to see into the future is constantly nerfed by writers because “Oh we see the future and follow the plan to victory” isn’t a dramatic and interesting way of telling a story, so their main ability that make the Craft Eldar a believable player in the galaxy is often more of a hindrance then a boon.
2. The Eldar elites often don’t get the respect they deserve in most stories: Aspect Warriors are practically Space Marine Tier warriors but they don’t accomplish nearly as much as Space Marine do, and if a Space Marine has an actual name then they can rip through Aspect Warriors and Exarchs like butter.
3. Their role as the Imperium’s main Xenos ally has been seriously eroded over time, after the Ynari plot line fell through the Eldar have been in storytelling Limbo while the Necrons have become increasingly prominent and filling the Eldar’s old role.
Im a space marine gigafan who impersonates a chaplain from time to time hence the profile picture and i see aspect warriors as being above "standard" space marines.
Marines are elevated humans.
Aspect warriors are elevated aeldari.
Aeldari are already taller and stronger, they are more intelligent and they are way faster than us.
In my mind something like fighting a formation of aspect warriors should be VERY DEMANDING and VERY COSTLY to the Space Marines. And individual duels should be disadvantegous to the marine, hence there should be a net negative in the folder of "marines who duel an aspect warrior and win" and there should be a net positive in the folder of "marines who found out"
@@OljeiKhan Different writers have different perceptions of power levels, and GW apparently doesn´t have a "quality control guy" to hit people with numbers or something to make the damn levels believably consistent.
This is why you can have Dreadnoughts where the pilot is a Space Marine that lost at least two limbs and a couple vital organs yet still survived long enough to be put in a sarcophagus, but at the same time most Space Marines die from, like, a single knife stab in the ribs or something.
Personally, I´m of the opinion that Space Marines fighting Chaos Space Marines should look like a no-rules, fight-to-the-death wrestling fight between two rabid lobsters up to their antennae in fentanyl.
But on the subject of Eldar, we know they are faster and stronger than regular humans, and even a perfectly normal Eldar is slightly psychic and precognitive. Aspect Warriors are also highly ritualistic soldiers that make fighting in a very specific way their life, and also probably have more experience than the average Butler Bother. So yeah, makes perfect sense that Space Marines and Aspect Warriors should be at the very least on par with each other, until you factor in a) Exarchs and b) the rest of the Eldar army that includes MORE precognitive people, xenophobic psychopats, and people that make battle plans by reading the goddamned future, at which point Space Marines SHOULD be at a disadvantage most of the time when fighting Eldar.
@@katamariroller2837 As a long time suffering Eldar fan, thank you for the basic respect
@@jbkeown1 Well, it is important to remember that one can be measured not only by the quality of their friends, but that of their enemies. If Eldar can be defeated easily, what does that say about Space Marines, Imperial Guard, or any other army people like?
Me in 1994 with hair and metallica t-shirts
Shit, new eldar mini's, sweet!
Me in 2023 with no hair and suit
Shit, are they still the same minis?
I really like the idea of the Ynnari. All the elves coming together even the dark kin finally getting their shit together and taking down the multiverse wide problem they created. Did that actually happen? Of course not, that would require GW to give someone other than the Space Marines or occasionally Chaos a win. I know taking out a Chaos God is a big ask, but screw it they did that in AoS and we got The Great Horned Rat out of it.
They could at least be like the Farsight Enclaves, still participating in recent events and getting focused on.
Instead they're just spinning wheels in the background, running around while Yakkety Sax plays and Slaanesh hides the final Cronesword they need.
I think thats the most galling part, that AoS is only a few years old and they let the elves beat Slaanesh, but here they're stuck in Limbo forever
The Ynnari annoy me for one singular reason:
The Aeldari don't deserve their god of death. They put maybe a couple of million souls in their infinity circuits, networked them together and called it a day. _The Imperium of Man gets those numbers in an hour, and use the entire galaxy as their infinity circuit. The Imperium carves its worship of death into the face of the universe by hand. Have you seen their decor?! Have you read the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer? _*_Have you read literally any Imperial adage about how the only reward for cowards is another day of fear?!_* The fact that the Emperor of Mankind isn't Ynnead is absolutely nuts.
@Zahaqiel 1, it's more like billions of eldar souls.
2, eldar souls are way more potent than human souls.
3, The eldar are way more experianced with warp nonsense, God making and can look into the future to try out different methods to accelerate the birthing of a god.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 It's not like billions of eldar souls, there aren't that many Asuryani and there certainly haven't been that many who've died in the past ten thousand years - the Eldar are _incredibly_ conservative with their own lives, for obvious reasons. And even factoring that in the Aeldari have never had a very high population compared to other races (prior to the Fall their empire only ever amounted to a few thousand worlds at most), and in the past ten thousand years of canon they haven't had particularly high birthrates either. It's millions of collected dead souls, not billions.
And secondly, it doesn't matter that Eldar souls are more potent than human ones, humans outnumber them so greatly that the psychic weight of humanity is far greater than the Elder ever were or ever have been (as has been repeatedly reinforced in recent years with the Dark King lore and the predictions of what will happen when the Golden Throne fails, humanity have enough psychic weight to boil the whole galaxy out of existence if they ever create their own Eye of Terror).
So point three really doesn't matter. They can accelerate the birthing of a god all they like, their efforts should only ever have been subordinate to the greater enterprise of the Imperial creed's god of death, and their "waking of Ynnead" should have simply given the Emperor some morning warp-coffee.
"If you just let us know we coulda done something we have the inquisition"
I feel that just makes their chances a coin flip at that point
Cue an extremely conservative Inquisitor is the one that arrives and will not listen to anything the Eldar says.
One of the most important things when writing any fantasy race is that it's fine to have a stereotype. But don't have your characters be a stereotype.
why not? why not wonder why there that way?
In Eldrads defense. They were not nearly as far down the line of corruption as you are implying. They had very few body modifications at the time, most of which came from fabius bile. In fact, if memory serves me right, only one caption had a special little "screech" move that he used to kill a bunch of banshees.
Eldrad also picked Fulgrim because Fulgrim was the only primarch with an open enough mind not to just KILL Eldrad outright for saying Horus was a traitor. (Remember, Dorn almost killed another captain of the Death Guard for saying the same thing, imagine what he would do tona filthy xeno). Picking Fulgrim was a very very calculated and normally very safe move for Eldrad. Arguably why slaaanesh tried to corrupt the emperor's children.
Not defending all Aeldars shinanigins, but even as a red blooded imperium lover, Eldrad isn't dumb.
Let me get this straight tho: other than that, VERY based video
No, it's just too much , he's the best farseer on the market, and even "shortseer" Spacemarines could deduct they were corrupt before even walking into sight range, and don't even get me started on the summoning of ynnead foiled by a few deatchwatch marines. The guy is just a walking hecatomb for his specie
Did you pull that out from your rear because eldrad pick fulgrim because he didn't attack the maiden worlds and that's it
@@jackpray8669 I would say I did, but I am not very good at pulling things out. Evidenced by the fact that I couldn't pull out of your mom and you popped out.
Yeap, Vulcan, for example, ate eldar children for breakfast, so i imagine how Eldrad would try to warn him about something.
The Ordo Xenos is admiring your hatered for the foul xeno, Eldar in particular and your support for our Abhuman allies. The Emperor protects.
Who looks at a ogryn busting through a enemy group or laying down heavy weapons fire and doesn’t want to support the most loyal servants of mankind? A bunch of upgraded ogryns were able to hold off the sons of Horus at one point to the point daddy had to save them, That’s Awsome.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusdon't forget the ratlings. Adorable little lecherous murder hobbits they are 😹
You know, I've been wondering for quite some time now where the whole "haughty arrogant elitist elf" stereotype came from. Tolkien's elves aren't really like that, at least. It actually seems to have evolved gradually over time, almost as if most writers simply have trouble imagining a clearly superior species _not_ lording it over us.
While technically not elves, my favorite alien species of this general type (and possibly my favorite in general) are the Protoss from StarCraft, specifically because they subvert the trope. Like, sure, there's that one guy Aldaris and his bosses, the Conclave, who do act like arrogant space elves. But all the Protoss hero characters we follow in the storyline are just plain good guys who are totally chill about hanging out with rough, gruff space-cowboy James Raynor, basically treating him as an honorary Protoss, and over-all they seem to genuinely respect Terrans as resourceful warriors. Heck, the story pretty much gets started because Tassadar figured: "Look, maybe we shouldn't casually genocide these people and write it off as collateral damage just because they happen to be in the way? It's not their fault their planets have a Zerg problem."
Eh, elitist elves appeared not because writers can't imagine a clearly superior species not lording over us, they've appeared because writers wanted to deconstruct Tolkien elves and make them more morally grey or a villains. And what is the most obvious flaw you can give to a clearly superior race?Arrogance, of course.
@@l.o.v.e-sick5330 Dunno if I consider arrogance to be a _moral_ flaw, though. At least not in the "morally grey" sense, which implies making pragmatic choices. It just makes you sorta insufferable. If anything, having elves be ruthless moral pragmatists might have been a better approach than giving them a cultural superiority complex.
See, deconstruction isn't really about making stuff darker or more cynical. It's about "disassembling" an idea or trope and analyzing the constituent parts in order to better understand its meaning and relevance.
Often this results in the trope being applied in a more realistic way than originally intended. (This is especially apparent with stuff that wasn't meant to be taken very seriously, like stories for children.) Unfortunately, a lot of people end up think realism and cynicism are the same thing.
Like, if you really want to deconstruct elves, you might try to imagine what an immortal being who has been alive for thousands of years might actually think and act like, and what sort of culture this would result in. This is an interesting question because obviously we have no way of knowing and it's quite possible such an individual would have developed a perspective and set of values that would seem very alien to us.
Just having this ancient elf be sort of a racist prick isn't "wrong," exactly. I mean, I guess that could happen. But it's kinda shallow. It's still just normal human behavior applied to a being who absolutely wouldn't qualify as "normal" by human standards. It's sorta the opposite of what a deconstruction is supposed to do.
Besides all that, the fact that it ended up a stereotype still kinda suggests that the "arrogant elf" resonated with a lot of writers. I sorta doubt all of them set out to do a deconstruction on elves, much less the _same_ deconstruction. It still comes across as if that particular portrayal seemed accurate to many people.
"Tolkien's elves aren't really like that"
Thank you! So many people trace it back to Tolkien... but actually, Tolkien did elves right... everyone else failed to properly learn from it. Mainly because they forgot that either you have to be intelligent enough that your "old, wise, intelligent" character actually acts and speaks with wisdom and intelligence, or at least the sense to not have them talk too much and not have them reveal that you're not smart enough to write them as smart.
I like the Protoss, they're really cool space elves, and wish the Ynnari to become the Daelaam of 40k.
I love the Eldar as a faction, too bad GW hates them though, barely gives any new units or refreshers to them at all, the flamer sculpts are from the 90s and the books completely ruin any chance that they can escape from Slaanesh because of bad writing. (It’s also ridiculous how an avatar of Khaine, literal shard of a god, can be killed and treated as a punching bag by any named character or any space marine champion or captain in any book for plot convenience.)
A Primarch returns and entire campaigns are turned around.
A Phoenix Lord? Appears to just die to .
smh they refuse em to nerf in the tabletop
There was one old story about a avatar who just up and unrequested goes for a stroll through the web way and yeets a guy that some guardsmen are fighting, on its stroll in the web way it walks by the clown knife ears who all lay a brick and try not be noticed as this god like creature unfollowed and unexpected just strolls by them.
Don’t remember the name but the story follows a imperial navy member posing as a higher ranking peer and gets saved by a commissars bolt round who was always staring at him urging him on to feats of great glory and honor at the lament of the guardsmen.
The commissar had expired in the first few moments of the engagement according to the men who came to help and back up the troops
it's the Worf trope from Star Trek TNG, an Avatar of Khaine is supposed to be super duper strong so if your character beats one it means they're a real badass, but you do it often enough and the Avatar is a laughingstock
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusThe book you're thinking about is Shadow Point. The rest of Eldar stuff in it leaves something to be desired, but seeing Khaine actually fight like a god of war was amazing.
Necrontyr had nothing to do with the Old Ones until they asked for the secret to immortality and the Old Ones were like “lol nah”. Also I’m 99% sure that the Cratfworlds predate the Fall of the Eldar since they were made by the group that saw the decadence of the empire and wanted nothing to do with it. So they wouldn’t be made of Khaine’s bones or have really anything to do with Khaine.
In the pre-Fall days, Craftworlds were enormous merchant ships used for trade. They've just been grown to much larger sizes in the post-Fall era since they need to be the main population centres for the entire species.
Eldrad: Fulgrim Listen, Horus will betray the emperor.
Fulgrim: I'm four parallel universes ahead of you.
I may hate elves... but the arnor design sold me on having a Ulthwe army... yes I put my dwarven heart in the book of shame and have joined the slayer ranks for repentance
Beards in belts, slayers. Many are us who have fallen to the gaze of the flamboyant knife ears.
i can hear Pancreasenowork screaming inn rage
@@classiccraftdestined.7596 i honestly cant imagine his voice screaming or raised in any way😄😄
I will never forgive how Gav Thorpe screwed Eldar and put them on the path they are on today.
Ah
The Eldars, as you put it
The Diet Coke
To the Dark Eldars very Early Coke, y'know, the kind with Coke... That was served to Kids
Does that make the Ynnari regular coke, and the exodites that one failed coke with stevia?
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the dark eldar give their kids coke...it's very on brand for them
@@Damien_N yes!
@@spiral2754 they'll give your kids Coke, just enough to have painful and violent maybe possibly even deadly withdrawals
@@Damien_N the pirates would also be that failed Coke Brand Mnt Dew
I really loved the old Craftworld Eldar art that depicted them as Fae whose thoughts seem ethereal in a world that has the Warp.
But now we just have wackass High-Fantasy Scifi Ultimo-Generico Elves.
That's the problem with GW, and has been for years - they can't leave anything alone. The optimal writing approach for the Eldar was to be inspired by the concept art - make them visually wondrous and mysterious...
...and then don't explain too much. Don't have them talk too much. Don't shatter the illusion. Just let them be mysterious and old and unknowable.
@@NicholasBrakespearthey weren't ever unknowable though were they...
@@NicholasBrakespear The old Ephrael Stern comic books depiction of the webway was great, just this crystal labyrinthine structure that was both impossibly wide, yet narrow, like it's dimensions were ever changing, and unknowable
So interestingly, the lore here is strange because as you state, the Aeldari used to be able to just reincarnate, but they actually experienced permanent death for the first time during the War in Heaven, thanks to exposure to The Nightbringer, who is essentially just _Death._
It's confusing and inconsistent, but also 64-100 million years in the past, so probably not unexpected.
They experienced the *fear of death* when Nightbringer exploded. They still can't die, but their souls are being swallowed by Slaanesh, a Soulstone, or Ynnead instead of reincarnating.
@SeanCrosser poetic license, I suspect. They used to face their enemy without fear (because they'd be reincarnated), but The Nightbringer changed that. Why, after all, would you fear death if you could just reincarnate?
Perhaps they still reincarnated, but it would be without their previous experiences and personality?
@@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957 gotta be REAL baller though to be able to hang around as a soul in the warp without getting caught by Slaanesh.
@@SeanCrosser Honestly, what's worse for them is that Slaanesh isn't even killing any Eldar.
They are all still alive.
Just there, experiencing their own hells until either spat out on the rarest of occasions, or until something might come to save them.
The Nightbringer could just, end them. No reincarnation, because the soul never entered the Empyrian. Naturally, that put the fear of death into them. Orks, being Orks, don't really get the concept. Sure, not fighting anymore is bad (that's about as close to hell as they can imagine) but it's not like they'll be around to suffer for it so who cares?
ya know... when you think about it. the eldar *could* say "there's a demon in this rock" sure, the space marines and guard would be like "yeah i dont' trust you" but the inquisition and/or grey knights show up and are like "alrighty who said demon?" and then take the supposed demon rock whether they believe it's a demon rock or not cause they sorta be like that.
I'm still waiting on a Black Libary author or game scrip where the Eldar show up, immediately dump a no frills explanation of what the ancient horror sealed away is, and how to keep the seal intact, then do one scry of the future and bug out. Because they see how this is gonna end and are just disgusted that literally no one listens to them when they tell the truth. If needed some tiny remnant sticks there with the Farseer involved who's too guilty about trying to just tell the humans about it for once blowing up in their face to not try and fix it anyway.
Pancreasnowork: I ask, that the Elf simps declare, that since the unprovoked dastardly attack on the Eldar, a state of war, has existed between Pancreasnowork, and Mr. Bones 40k
The problem with writing geniuses and more than human intelligence in fiction, is that actually the intelligence of a character is limited by those of it's writer
It’s all dinks and doinks until a doink gets dinked.
Eh I find them a big boring but they are fine, but not gonna lie saying that “elves are trapped with in Tolkien’s vision” while also being a dwarf fan is a bit hypocritical because dwarfs are always the same in every universe. At least with elves they have three forms of spice, dwarfs are dwarfs in every single universe they basically never change ever
Which is wrong btw. Tolkien's elves aren't massive dicks. That being said, eldar still suck ass
I don't hate Xeno
But I despise the Eldar with a burning passion
Unknow salamander cit.?
Just don't like um
in recent lore Eldrad basically is like helping the Gman and said that they REALLY need humanity to stay around also i read Gman told all upper (custodes,the church, inquisition) that his persoanl informant was eldrad.
After 11k years, he understood that blue marines are more reasonable.
My favorite piece of lore ever is from Void Stalker when Lukhoraphus, a Chaos Raptor, was just eating soulstones just to be a dick.
Yeah and eldar were actually cool and handled well in that book. Howling banshees and swooping hawks were equal if not superior match for the average night lords and raptors and Jain Zar carved through whole squads pretty easily and only lost to some dishounarable night lordery. So a good ending for everyone.
2:54 Describing the Old Ones as "a myth, a frog, and a wizard all at the same time" is the best and most succinct way I've heard someone put it.
Well despise the Darkn Eldar. The 5% (craftworld eldar) saw the writing on the wall and left.
I remember them in the old lore where they were scary and ominous and those were the normal ones. The drukai were terror. Now they are just a dying race of dumbasses constantly second tier to human characters. All the while they know better
Ok look... I love it when a creator tries something new. I'm no fan of the idea that a person must be forbidden to change, must be forced to continue doing the exact same thing OVER and OVER again merely because we, the slavering mob, demand it. I want to see creators branching out, attempting the unknown, leaping bravely into the abyss because their explorer's heart demands it of them!
That having been said, I am just SO happy you went back to the origin intro. That "uh... Hi!" just makes me incredibly happy in a way I can't adequately define.
It makes me cringe, it sounds like he's trying to act shy, LIKE WHY TF ARE YOU ACTING SHY?! THIS AIN'T NO ASMR ROLEPLAY!
WHY THE FECK DOES THE WORD "DESERT" HAVE A SECOND MEANING THAT'S PRONOUNCED "DESSERT????"
WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST USE DESSERT??!?! DO THEY THINK I'M STUPID?!
OK I think my computer is glitching but why does your comment says it was made two weeks ago?it’s only been six hours.
@@matthew3009femboy "um... hi"
@@matthew3009oh dear
@@angelavery3840 oh, it's because I'm a channel member.
Eldar are very based, pity GW refuses to update them and the lore writers at GW decide that they always either die like idiots or are outright retarded (rant incoming).
The Eldar have existed in 40k since the days of rogue trader as one of the main factions of the game, this solidified during 2nd edition, the actual first iteration of 40k as a developed setting.
The Eldar hold during this era a very classical role in the universe of 40k, filling the space of the extremely advanced, old and mysterious race whose motives are not very well known. It is very important to know that the Eldar at this point are considered to be the most advanced race, with the strongest psykers and with a very specific and unique way of fighting working around specialist squads.
They were also very relevant, forming the trio of classic factions next to orks and space marines. And while 40k didn’t have much in the way of stories or novels like it does nowadays, the lore snippets made them feel important and influential.
About overlapping themes, this is a problem most settings suffer from once they start to expand and they add more races, overlapping is inevitable.
An example are Necrons, that stripped Eldar of their old mantle as the most technologically advanced species, but hey, at least they are still the most powerful psykers and masters of specialised warfare… right?
Well, ends up now big humans have an army full of 100% psykers (Grey knights), and forget about being the strongest psykers, now every named space marine psyker (Mephiston, Tigurius, Ezekiel, Magnus) has more feats than the single strongest farseer to ever live (Eldrad).
In one hand you have Mephiston obliterating millions of tyrannids while he flies away as a classic space marine Gary Tsu, on the other hand you got this 10.000+ years old Eldrad guy whose best feat is awakening a god, that sounds neat before you remember he kinda failed at it because he couldn’t kill a single space marine that was about to fuck up the ritual.
And his gets worse when Magnus can easily move ships in orbit, some random chaos sorcerer literally transports a frigate through space without problems and Tigurius can take a peek at the hive mind’s thoughts. Meanwhile almost every farseer to ever appear in a book fails completely at predicting the future (you know, their only job), or display such incompetence it is laughable that these guys have survived 10 thousand years at this point.
Oh, and forget about being masters of specialised warfare, because now primaris space marines do it better (yeah, I know HH era marines copied this before, but not half as relevant).
And remember grav tech? Time ago only Eldar had it in numbers. Then necrons, Tau and Eldar had em, now Custodes, Space marines, Eldar, Necrons , mechanicus and Tau have it.
And now on books. In general BL books are low quality bolter porn, but at least you get to see your faction kick some ass… right?
Well, except if you like craftworld eldar, for some reason you are amongst the oldest factions in the entire lore but you have less novels than literally random space marines chapters that are not even first founding.
And don’t expect much because only 1 novel about craftworld eldar (Valedor) is any decent. In the rest all they do is being incompetent, useless morons that get pounded by space marines and in general the imperium as they helplessly die like idiots, I guess that’s what happens when Gav Thorpe and CS Goto have written literally most of your books.
But then, when Eldar seemed to have lost relevance we got hope in the form of the Ynnari, a faction that would unite all Eldar in a cool as hell version of the space elf Avengers, sounds neat, right?
Well, indeed it sounded awesome till Gav Thorpe decided to take a hold on them. And so this faction has a single purpose, to find all the croneswords and both empower Ynnead and kill or trap Slaanesh, this sounds like an awesome time to do what they did in AoS (trap Slaanesh temporarily and drain souls from her) and have the Eldar win for once in their lives. (haha, what a joke)
If course the whole thing is a mess. In the end they are incapable of accomplishing their objective since the last cronesword is in Slaanesh’ palace (I guess Guilliman can burn some of nurgle’s garden, but cegorach and Ynnead are too weak I do jackshit, poor guys committed the mistake of being Eldar instead of Imperial).
But before this Yvraine gets curbstomped first by imperial guard, then by some demon.
In the process of this massive Oof Gav Thorpe delights us by making the cool as hell Spear of Twilight, a vampiric weapon used by Prince Yriel capable of even making the Hive Mind scream in pain and permakilling anything... Into a cronesword, Yvraine transforms the damn spear into a sword, because we all know another generic sword is cooler than an actually unique, recognisable weapon.
The cherry on top of this shitcake is a group consisting of Yvraine, The visarch, Lelith Hesperax, Jain Zar, a solitaire alongside a small army of Ynnari failing to kill a single greater demon (ye, those ones space marine captains easily kill in every damn book). So first the visarch and the solitaire die and the rest are defeated by the demon. Then Yvraine proceeds to summon the Yncarne and defeats the demon… that ended up being a simple projection at 1% of its power…
You end up with a faction that are old, but not the oldest. Have good technology but are not the best. Fight in specialised squads, but so do other factions. And are a psychic race that is much worse at being psykers than humans. To top things even harder all they do is being pathetic in every damn book (and I wish I had made this about dark eldar to explain my disdain for that turd that is Silent Hunters) and never accomplish a single time any of their objectives.
Preach, brother.
Great comment from someone who appreciates eldar for what they could be but for the love of god man… Paragraphs!
Where from is that horseshit about that avengers squad failing to kill a demon? Because holy fuck that sounds awful. Lelith, a solitaire and the mary sue herself Yvraine are a primarch killing force. What a joke
You know you might like Conquest: The last argument Kings take on elves. The Spire. Their ascetic is really fun and definitely leans towards horror. Their only major flaw is that they are fairly limited in lore since the game is new.
Conquest Elves are basically alien biomancers.
Holy feth, two paragraphs in and I am fully onboard with this!
I will never understand why people hate elves.
They’re not my favourite army but I don’t dislike them at all. And yet some people just hate them for some reason.
Ehhh, Elves are fine, Elder Scrolls Elves and 40K Eldar are just supremely unlikable
people make hating a fictional race their personality.
I find it hilarious people legit hate something like a faction or something. Like I get not really liking but HATING I’ll never understand. Like what @ogrynmod1765 said people just make it their personality. Like I LOVE both elves and dwarves in any media so I don’t get why some people can’t like both lol
I thing is more of a meme than reality in wow Blood Elves and Nigth Elves are two of the most played races and recently in Baldur Gate 3 Half Elves are the most played race and regular Elfs are the third.
@@zekramnordran9526 Elder Scrolls elves being basically The Imperium Of Man but with elves makes sense, but how does 40k elves equate to that?
Entire Craftworlds and Exodite planets are wiped out by Astartes force just to show that they're competent, that's kinda on the other side of the oppression line.
I've played Eldar since 5th ed. And you're right, they have incredibly shitty writing. But I feel if you come out with a whole video criticizing them, you also have to come out with a hefty suggestion for a re-write that involves more than "Fire GW authors".
That's GW's job lol
Here's an idea - have them become practically extinct, instead of simply saying they're practically extinct and then having them show up literally everywhere.
Then maybe properly play into their "farseeing" stuff; have them become seemingly insane, because they're trying to pluck at the strands of reality to shape/chase futures they've seen, resulting in actions and decisions that are seemingly deranged in the short-term, but end up actually leading to interesting victories in the long-run. Have them move through the galaxy as if they exist on a totally different timescale to the other races, fleeting in appearance but perpetual in influence.
Have them talk... a lot less. Seriously, nothing ruins an "old and wise" character more than having them talk to much and revealing that the writer isn't sufficiently wise or talented to actually convey an old and wise character, and having them come across as a 13 year-old's idea of "the older generation".
Basically kinda do the opposite of what GW have been doing for a long time.
When you go to a restaurant and get served a burnt steak, the last thing you'd expect is for the waiter to ask you to go and see the cook in order to explain how to make it properly, they are supposed to bring you what you paid for.
Why do "creatives" get to be so entitled to the wallet of their customers?
PancreasNoWork will remember that…
You know what's funny? One of the videos that appeared in the recommendations for me as i was watching this is titled 'The Eldar Should be 40k's Protagonists'.
The battle of bones and pancreas is going to be legendry
The Eldar fanboy versus the Dwarf pilled one.
"Knife ears can go fuck themselves"
"but the Old Ones made them"
"froggy good tho"
@konoskubos1641
I would rather have chubby space toad than knife ears.
But…but what about the Exodites?
I don’t care if they never factor into the Major lore, they ride laser mounted dinosaurs and that’s all I need to be happy.
I just really like the wraith guard/lords. They're armor design has always looked super cool to be and it's one of the first things that introduced me to the franchise.
All my homies hate elves in every setting they are present in, damned knife-ears
Tolkien wrote the best elves
@@joshuafischer684 Tolkien wrote the best fantasy in general.
"Them calling us monkeys is an old joke!!!" says the guy that is using the "i hate elves cause elves" joke.
Honestly, this is why I like how Imperium Ascendant handled Eldrad. He got brain-blasted by Magnus to help massacre his kin for the sake of saving them. That's the kind of stupid he is.
The showdown with Liveryeswork is unavoidable now😮
Rock and stone. TO THE BONE!!!
People seem to not realize why the Emperor had such a strong, anti-xeno position was entirely due to these guys.
That’s not really accurate.
Actually he was friends with Eldar at one point
@@joesheridan9451where else would Roboute girlyman get this preference for eldar waifus
@@maxd.9455 This setting went downhill ever since unfunny meme cows joined in
The craftworlds were making a concerted effort to try to avoid the Horus Heresy and stay out of the way--The Eldar just don't trust humans anymore, so don't tell them shit for it, precisely because of humanity's "shoot first and never ask questions" mentality on aliens.
Don't let pancreasnotwork see this.
I haven't finished the video so you may mention this but eldrad literally created ghazgkhull because he saw he could short term save a craftworld by sending the orks towards a human planet. Well guess what ghazgkhull mag uruk thraka has probably killed more elves now than would've been saved on one craftworld.
officially declared a war on pancreas no work
I think the weird thing about how GW does Eldar is that for a race that's supposed to be so arrogant they...don't actually come across that arrogant?
Like, from my experience they spend so much effort telling everyone how inferior they are, that it actually makes them come across as incredibly insecure instead. Like they don't just show their arrogance with subtle power moves or something, they just have them tell you they feel superior you at every opportunity. It makes them sound less like "tragic ancient alien beings" and more "awkward teenager talking smack about your mom in a fortnite match so he can look cool to his friends"
That might actually be why my favourite Eldar character isn't even an Eldar. It's Kerilian from Verminitide. Because she *does* use her posturing of superiority to mask her insecurities meaning the character ends up coming across exactly how the writers intended her to.
Yeah but that one guy says "monkey" that one time, so all of them must be like that.
Considering they're a dying race, that might be a pretty cool context, though I'm not sure if it's intentional or not.
Can we just appreciate how good Lyle is at voicing media - induced despair? 😊
I hated elves before I got into 40k and the joy I had when there was a society of people who wanted to destroy elves in the future was perfection. The Imperium of Man is my home for one fact, they hate those damned dagger ears as much as me. Throne bless us.
I like them, but I feel they get written into a corner way too much, I like them when they pull their balls out of their purse and actually assist the Imperium, even if they do turn us into a meatshield.
Eldar are pretty meh, unless they're Maugan-Ra. Maugan-Ra is the coolest motherfucker in the galaxy and you will never change my mind.
I can't help but feel that part of the Eldar hate I see a lot on the 40k community is that the Eldar have shit story and shit writing. Just look at how the Ynnari storyline went, what few books that go in -depth about the faction, and compare all that to the earliest snippets of lore. The Eldar were the OG ancient technologically advanced race with powers and abilities beyond that of every other faction, with an agenda that was poorly understood but clearly something on a massive scale. They were mysterious, aloof, but not necessarily hostile, and while they were cryptic, it was usually for some unspecified reason beyond "We're better than you so we won't tell you."
Now with the Necrons and arguably some of the updates to the Space Marines, they're not that, they're just vagrant pointy-eared space Elves who just float through the void. They're not even the greatest psykers anymore. A lot what's made them unique has been shared with other factions or just dummied down, and don't even get me started on how they're shown in most BL literature. How many Avatars of Khaine have been defeated now? How many brutal assaults have happened on a Craftworld? How many battles were royally screwed by a faction who can predict and alter the future? It's just bad all around.
Yeah the one that frustrated me the most was seeing Primaris marines be basically turned into Craftworld Aspect Warriors. Where it used to be Devastators in the back, Tactical in the middle, and Assault jumping forward, now they're:
Tactical Squad of autorifles (like Guardians/Dire Avengers), Assault Squad of pistol and chainsword (Banshees), ambush attack squad (Scorpions), Hellblasters/Eradicators with full complement of plasma or Melta weapons (Reapers?Dragons?), quick strike dual-wielding Inceptors (Warp Spiders), jump pack heavy-cannon Vanguard Suppressors (Shadow Spectres).
They're all a squad of single-weapon teams that all do specific things, a concept that the Eldar Aspect Warriors built its units around.
My condolences. "Fulgrim" is the reason why I get uncomfortable and anxious when Graham McNeill has a female character. Also lmao excellent point. Def should have hit up the blue guys instead.
yeah it's things like Eldrad, the most powerful clairvoyant in the galaxy, not being able to see that guy he was talking to was both a) incredibly loyal to Horus and b) already being tempted by the greater daemon living in his sword is what makes a lot of the Horus Heresy writing, not just the Eldar involvement, feel like everyone just needs to get to their starting positions for 40k. To hell with character continuity, there's setting to be built.
Or Magnus or Khan at that time. Magnus and Khan were among the most tolerant towards Xenos. 😅
@@ConquistadoraDeLaEstrella The excuse the demon was hiding in the future of fulgrim is stupid when you consider Eldrad is potentially the greatest Eldar farseer in the entire history of their species.
His whole schtick is to see the future, and in 60+ million years the only other beings who can match his ability are god-damn The Emperor and Magnus.
@@MasterIceyy Magnus and the Emperor didn't notice what was dwelling in that sword either, dude.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 I can forgive the Emperor and Magnus, but the Eldar literally rely on Eldrads foresight abilities to continue existing, it makes no sense that the greatest Eldar seer ever born, still couldn't detect it's presence, especially due to the fact the Laer blade contained a Slaaneshi demon,
Do I hear boss music? Oh no its Pancreas.
Anyways I like the elves. Though not as much as the guardsmen but I like them more than lot of space marines chapters.
Also it seems like the elves have some proven reasons to be hubris but it does backfire which is part of the dark fantasy.
Secondly I feel like they did it intentionally to destroy the demon. I feel like the Elves looks at the really long time solutions. Solutions that shapes the future for a preferable outcomes for the end times or something like what the emperor did with the Primarchs.
The elves are the faction that are there to get their but kicks and don’t have much books as the space marines than again lot of zeno races can say that.
Sorry they’re not ROTUND enough for you SPACE BOY! 🤬😡
As I kid I got like 3 eldar models because I liked the sleek armour, then found out they were not remodelled space marines and never touched them again.
I am simple, I am unga.
I feel ya. At least we've got phobos armour now for the folks who like the leggy
This is my new favorite 40k lore channel. Not only is it informative, but it’s funny because he sounds like he just sat down in front of his microphone and just started talking.
WHY would they notice that? Anything the Emperor's Children were doing would seem tame when compared o the Eldar's history. Why would the Elder know this was strange for a alien race they've avoided contact with ? It's why they're called alien,. Most Eldar have few points od refrence to pull from, most being urban legends A race alien not only alien to themselves,, but you're risking your life to contact. Aliens who seek complete extinction of any intelligent species that's not human.
I totally agree with the way you feel about how the Eldar are written, not my favorite. But, I think their arrogance and unwillingness to explain things is kinda a satire on how older folks share what they think is best to younger peoples, but don't always explain themselves. An interesting dynamic to scope out to whole alien races... but hasn't been written the greatest by GW as you explained. Great video as always!
I think it's a mixture of that and their extreme distrust of humanity given that... The Imperium has not really shown itself to be a receptive sort, and every other time they tried a direct warning it ended terribly or was ignored entirely.
It does feel like they purposely write them to be incompetent and hubris ridden for the sake of making the Imperium look good at times. Hell the poor Avatar of Khaine, a shard of a war god, is just a glorified jobber. But even then I still like them for the aesthetic, the fallen from grace lore, and the cool almost magic tech they gave. But even I will acknowledge they can be kinda pricks.
careful! your pancreas may stop working at any moment.
Hot take: the (craftworld) Eldar are fully the good guys.
They usually get blamed for three things:
1. Birthing Slaanesh
2. Being overly cryptic and arrogant
3. Being a dick to humans.
But:
1. They didn't. The dark eldar did. Craftworld eldar are the ones that turned their back on their sinful society and left before Slaanesh was born because they saw it coming and sought to prevent it. Blaming craftworld eldar for Slaanesh is like blaming Vulkan for the Horus Heresy because 'humans committed the Horus Heresy'.
2. Why wouldn't they be? Things always go wrong in books and stories because it would be boring if the Eldar were portrayed as in control as they're supposed to be in lore, but if you're the only one who can straight-up see the future you've got a whole extra sense compared to anyone else, and they are supposed to be objectively wiser and infinitely more experienced than anybody else - they're just never portrayed that way. It's not arrogance not to explain everything you do to a blind, ten-year old child. You don't have *time* to explain a whole new perspective on life to those smooth brains.
3. That one gets me the most, because I feel like that's just human perspective kicking in. Most Warhammer fans are humans, so humans are just the 'us' faction and automatically assumed to be the protagonist. But imagine everything from the standpoint of the eldar: there's this young race, volatile, angry, extremely expansionist, and absolutely *hateful* towards anything that isn't them, including yourself. To the eldar, the only difference between humans and orcs is that humans actively and irrationally hate instead of just loving violence for its own sake. Humanity wants to see the eldar dead. Why should they be nice to people who want to kill them? The line "Eldar would gladly sacrifice a thousand humans to save a single eldar" as a way to show they're evil always had me raise an eyebrow. Your average human commissar would sacrifice a thousand humans to *kill* a single eldar, how is that better?
For the last sentence it’s the value of the life never forget the biggest advantage the imperium of man has is numbers and considering that they don’t value a individual life so a few 10,000 humans are nothing to imperium when a small hive world can have up to 6billion ppl n largest hive worlds have over a 100 billion also the codex make it to where those 10k soldiers are going to charge regardless
Looks like somebody got butt wrecked by Eldar in 10th edition...
When only 15% of Eldar in the galaxy are always involved with 75% of Chaos fuckery is it no wonder the Imperium are suspicious of them?
I'm not saying it's reasonable to Exterminatus all of them, but I would cross to the other side of the road and pray to the Emperor if I saw one.
they are a 15% of the Galaxy population but commit 50% of Chaos fuckery...
The Eldar have one of the most undeserved superiority complexes I've ever seen.
*Peace and love have been achieved. Hunger and poverty abolished.*
Eldar: "Let's become drug addicts."
I had no idea about the Fulgrim book.
Holy shit man.
Why does GW write the faction that should think and percieve reality the most accurately as snobby dumbasses?
Between the Pheonix lords and the wraith constructs theres alot of potential for fun with the Eldar.
Instead they just repeat variations of the Eldar from Dawn of War 1.
The eldar fans are eldar greatest haters. You can't beat them. Case in point: "Live! From Black Library".
BASED ELF 'ATER! REPUB IF YOU 'ATE ELVES!
I think I'd at least tolerate Elves if exodites where still a thing?
They are. They just aren't a product line. you can kitbash an army and use craft worlds rules.
We should have Pancreas show up so you two can brawl, have a good old Dwarf vs Elf debate. I would definitely watch that. Course I already know Orks are the superior race anyway though so I’d watch for the fun of it.
6:12 Weren't the Craftworlds just repurposed massive trade ships which used to operate in the Pre-Fall Eldar Empire?
9:50 It honestly took a solid 6 years after getting into the fandom for me to make the connection that the Eldar's favorite terminology of "Mon'keigh" is just a fantasy way of saying monkey. Also, there are fics out there, such as Imperium Ascendant, that contextualize the term as the standard way the Eldar call non-Eldar species that are not notable enough (IE: Necrons, C'tan, Orks, etc) to get their own name. It's like the Eldar's equivalent to the Imperium calling anything that isn't a human or warp entity a "xeno".
Man, when I think about it, your second point is probably the only bit of lore, that ever took me out of the fantasy. Why did authors who were most born in England, sometime ago, one of the most powerful imperial empires decided to use slur of "monkeys" for humans, really is baffling and in such poor taste.
Especially sense I wouldn't be surprised if they were the actual inventors of the myth of using imperialism, not for self gain, but as a means of spreading science and innovation, civilization and even culture, aka better life, amongst savages.. Like every time some Eldar uses the M slur, I get a wake up call and just remember all our global history.. and just ask myself.. GW... WHY???
@@relight6931 M slur? Really? That's what you call it? I just lost some braincells reading this
@@DarkSamael55 it is a joke.. Just like retarded, and other words that became slurs in a span of a few short years.. Don't blame.. Blame US justice warriors for PC language.. They export this braindead pc shit.
Edit. Fuck autocorrect.
Edit 2 As for your condition, aka losing braincells just by reading, that is tough.. You could just not read, but then again, as much we know about brain, it is not just the number of cells but also how many connections there are between them and this second characteristic, the number of connection would no doubt suffer from not reading.. Everything else could be solved by you using a helmet always.. Got to preserve those brain cells somehow.
I wish you luck.
@@DarkSamael55i'm going to Say the N word
Nonkey
@@relight6931Imagine thinking colonialism was bad
To be fair the Eldar was just British people writing British people.
The diet coke of eldar...
damn that one left a mark xD
I feel the same way about night elves fr fr….
Eldar are easily the coolest faction in 40K.
My brother in christ we cant die on the hill of monkeigh when we literally have lore of primarch called Iron hands, who leads his legion called iron hands who replace their hand with an iron hand because their primarch had Iron hands and was called Iron Hands. At this point WH40k lack of subtelty is part of its charm
I only understood iron hands
I'm sorry Mon'kai is objectively one of the funniest things about 40k, right up there with Mr. Iron hands it's amazing
As a huge dwarf fan I think the Eldar are better than other elf archetypes. The new models look cool and the lore is neat to me, but I do get where they fall flat. Even then I think we can blame GW for the Eldar's faults in all honesty
It wasnt the old ones that made the necrons, the necrons developed on their own but went to war with them because they wouldnt teach them how to be immortal.
Eldars don't honour the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmored.
I have always loved the eldar models since 2nd edition (which is just as well as many haven't changed since then...). They really did nail them aesthetically, but for whatever reason have chosen to write them so badly. I made my own craftworld for this reason - they are astoundingly stupidly written all the time ao much I had to come up with something myself to just make them somewhat reasonable. At this point the awful writing and lack of range updates means they aren't played much. People then use as an argument to say they should just be left to die off. Feels like GW want that in a way too. Nevermind what they did to revitalise necrons and the like. A dying civilisation is a great place for interesting narative, but it always comes down to Eldar allow horrendous things to happen because it saves 10 Eldar lives at some point. There is so much more they could do.
I’m the same way. I made my own Craftworld as well who doesn’t fall for the stupid shit that the other Craftworlds fall for. And for this reason: They’re suffering from overpopulation
I find myself getting more attached to the Eldar, I hope they get more of a focus on them soon.
I like basically everything about the Eldar that isn't their lore or character traits. I like most of their aesthetics, ESPECIALLY looking back at 90s eldar artwork. I like their connection to the warp and their ability to build shit from their minds. I like their shuriken guns and wraithgaurd/lords. I like their vehicles and melee weapons and starships.
But when it comes to their lore...you hit the nail on the head. They are so "Stereotypically" elven and uppity about themselves that they do literally end up becoming idiots who cant see beyond themselves, and often cause their own misfortune.
It is actually specifically because of this that I would argue against 40K elves being considered anything like Tolkien's elves, because Tolkien WASNT A DUMBASS. His elves are "uppity" towards men and "other races" because they fall victim to the same kind of mentality that Sauron and Melkor did, being closer to the gods than any of them in nature- of thinking that that are incapable of being brought down by those they deem under themselves.
HOWEVER, VERY FEW ELVES LEFT IN LORD OF THE RINGS FEEL THIS WAY!!!! Tolkien made sure to write them well enough to have ACTUALLY LEARNED FROM THEIR MISTAKES. Elrond and Galadriel especially specifically go out of their way to be more wise than basically anyone else in the group at any given time (except Gandalf) by admitting that it IS the hobbits, the little people, the underdogs, who are the most likely to succeed. They, as elves, have actually seen their own failures, and instead of continuing to entrust power to nobody but themselves, understand that they are actually some of the worst ones to hold that power, and so willingly give up the task of taking care of the ring, EVEN THOUGH THEY WANT IT.
Huff. Sorry, just a big Tolkien fan. I don't want Tolkien's elves being compared to shitty knife-ear Aeldari.
GW had the Ynnari band all eldar together to fight chaos and... then forgot about them.
It's not the Eldar's fault that their contemporary lore is stale, it's GW's fault. The Eldar has to stay as the haughty fools because otherwise there would be one less faction to get stomped by Space Marines to make them look good.
Eldar prophecies? Clearly bad for everyone, must be stopped. Eldar combatants? Only manages to occupy and hold places with trickery only until one Space Marines Sergeant realises their entire trick, at which point the course of combat will be reversed and the Eldar routed.
Their holier-than-thou haughty attitude makes it all the better when they get stomped into the dirt. A shard of their War God exists only to destroy enough things until our valiant band of heroes can rally together to take it down with spunk and wits. Hell, people laughed when a Phoenix Lord fell to a tank or whatever.
They're just plot devices. Set dressing. Saturday morning cartoon mooks.
@@SeanCrosser the knife ears cast a spell to trick gaunts ghosts into thinking that the ghosts were fighting for their home world. a spell that made them get a engagement record that was so in their favor when fighting a much larger enemy formation that it was dismissed as impossible.
Lukewarm take:
Tolkien was the only author who managed to write elves likeable, both as a race and as characters.
Everybody after him either tried to subvert the trope or humanize them. Which wouldn't be that bad, but they had to leave some og elf trait as a point of reference and everybody decided that it should be their patronizing attitude.
In lotr their attitude isn't just a trope, it's a fairly justified view on dwarves and men, who historically love to "fuck around and find out".
@@schweppes1313 I'd argue dwarves love to fuck around and find out because of their historic feuds with elves, which they very much tend to pass down to their descendants on purpose.
Men? Yeah, they had a few problems, but not so much. Men tend to forget, being comparitively short lived, and thus dont mind trading and setting up relationships with elves...even if the elves dont forget what the men of the past did. I would say that really just comes down to a misunderstanding of a kind- elves being immortal and not understanding HOW to forget, and men being particularly susceptible to what elves view as like, barbarism, or the evils of Sauron (oh, but they turn a blind eye to their own kind who ever committed misdeeds).
Anyways, point is, elves are a bit uppity for a few reasons, but like I said, by the time of the actual plot of Lord of The Rings, many elves tend to realize that their time is over, and that the deeds of the past are behind them. They matured, and have accepted that middle earth is for men, not elves, and so they leave (or dont).
i’ve never heard someone sound so coherent yet so absolutely blasted
Eldar: [Exist]
Dwarfs: "In... The... Fucking... BOOK!"
as a fellow dwarf chad, i can respect the style of the elves, i just hate their fuckin ego XD
now specifically ELDAR WISE? i think it's mostly GW's fault. they've been just a giant punching bag that doesn't get a whole lot of attention that are mainly used to just make the Imperium look cool
they
NEVER, get a cool moment. and yknow what they should (much as that makes my beard itch)
Just waiting for the next Leagues lore drop to include how they blew up and ate an Exodite world, alongside a Craftworld that came to rescue it.
00:49 “Yeah, well, I’ve never heard of ‘Dwarf on a Shelf’ so… take that. Yeah. Also, the ‘Mon-key’ thing is hilarious.”
-Elvo The Space Elf
I like Dwarves & Elves. The Eldar are awesome & they have magic.
my main issue with the Eldar. there are the most stuck up race in the glaxy and yet they are the biggest fuck ups in 40k.
-made a new choas god
-ruled the galexy and did nothing
-made the eye of terror
- dark eldaer
yet they look down on all other races. the nercon earn there stuckness, they fought and won the war and heven pluses breaking the c'tan. the eldaer come off as a child who can never admit there wrong