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  • čas přidán 17. 01. 2021
  • Christy Wilhelmi of Gardenerd shares her trade secret for boosting citrus tree production and restoring vitality to sad trees. These steps (with 2 check points before hand) will bring your trees back to health.
    You’ll see improvements in your citrus tree’s leaf color, growth habit, flowering and fruiting in a matter of weeks after application. Find more resources in our related blog post here: gardenerd.com/...
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Komentáře • 706

  • @clarkgregb
    @clarkgregb Před 2 lety +15

    Citrus Treatment
    1. Clear away from trunk to drip line
    2. 1/4" layer of Worm Castings
    3. Mix Organic Citrus Fertilizer into castings
    4. 1/4 - 1/2" Acid planting mix on top. 4" from trunk out to drip line
    5. Mulch over top and water thoroughly
    Apply as often as needed.

    • @aishaexo-l611
      @aishaexo-l611 Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you! 🙏🏻

    • @ryder4721
      @ryder4721 Před rokem

      Thank you so much,this tangelo tree I planted by seed it's not grafted it's close to three years old

  • @rgruenhaus
    @rgruenhaus Před 2 lety +16

    I have been growing a Meyer lemon tree for at least 15 years and it was my usual routine to put 10-10-10 around the base and some handfuls of Epsom salt, but it was interesting to learn about the worm castings that I had never heard before! I'll look into getting that. Thank you

  • @justoneman3916
    @justoneman3916 Před 2 lety +3

    OMG… This treatment is amazing. My lemon and key lime where in horrible shape. 2 months after the treatment they look healthier than I’ve ever seen them. Thank you so much!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +2

      So glad to hear it! Thanks for posting your feedback. Others will benefit from it as well.

  • @johnswarthout1962
    @johnswarthout1962 Před rokem +2

    I just saw your video feb 6, 2023. I must say you explained it very well. I’m not to savvy on all this electronics stuff (phones, iPads etc ) I hope u are still around. I love grapefruits and bought a tree that’s not doing well in a pot.

  • @731lucille
    @731lucille Před 2 lety +24

    Great information! Just what I needed for my new Meyer Lemon tree. Will be binge watching your videos. Thank you so much!😊

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      If you have particular questions we can answer in a video, let me know! Thank you for watching and enjoy the channel!

    • @bugsta2012
      @bugsta2012 Před 2 lety

      @@Gardenerd can I put pine bark mulch on top for the acid

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      @@bugsta2012 Okay, we're going down a nerdy rabbit hole here: the mulch doesn't change the soil pH simply because it is pine bark, but rather mulch is a fungal food. Meaning it helps feed fungi, and then fungal populations will grow, which helps lower soil pH. This about succession - forests are inherently fungal-dominant. The trees excrete acids that fungi love to consume, which increases fungal populations, and makes the soil more acidic. The same happens in grasslands with bacteria. The plants exude sugars that feed bacteria, increasing bacterial populations and therefore the soil becomes more alkaline. Pine is actually antimicrobial, but once the VOCs wear off, it will feed fungi and help work toward the end result of more acidic soil.

  • @MNZGA57
    @MNZGA57 Před 3 lety +5

    Thankyou for your great advice : )
    I knew these old people who had the most beautiful citrus trees Ive ever seen.
    They told me their secret and I will share it here:
    "The secret is to always prune your citrus trees so the birds can fly through them."
    When I did this there was great improvement all round.
    God bless.

    • @hdrsmit
      @hdrsmit Před 2 lety

      don't over water is GREAT advice
      but.....
      about your pruning tip ?????
      citrus trees are not like other fruits trees (apples, pears, etc) they absolutely NEED a heavy canopy and therefore need VERY little pruning except to remove dead branches. if they are so open that birds acn fly THRU them they can get sunburn much more easily and that is not a good thing
      ???does Christy agree with your "tip" ???

    • @MNZGA57
      @MNZGA57 Před 2 lety

      @@hdrsmit
      Yeah well that likely applies where you live but not where I live.
      The secret I shared here absolutely works
      Its what the citrus trees thrive on 🌼 the birds tickling the leaves and branches as they fly through keeps the tree happy.
      You should try it, just pick one of your trees to prune properly and see the difference for yourself
      We dont have eagles or large birds here so maybe your imagination got headed in the wrong direction.
      I know this works for fabulous citrus trees and its just the way it is for citrus trees
      THEY LOVE IT

    • @hdrsmit
      @hdrsmit Před 2 lety

      @@MNZGA57 i have noted Christy has not agreed with your advice either. if she agrees it's a good idea i might try it :-) LOL

    • @MNZGA57
      @MNZGA57 Před 2 lety

      @@hdrsmit
      Anyway the canopy/shelter is important but its whats happening under the canopy thats important like the massive amount of fruit yield

    • @hdrsmit
      @hdrsmit Před 2 lety

      @@MNZGA57 a wise edit. i'm a male :-) LOL

  • @billschroedel5249
    @billschroedel5249 Před 2 lety +2

    I'm checking back in. I followed your advice and have had excellent results. Your plan worked beautifully and my trees are flourishing. Thank you!!!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Yay, so glad to hear your success story. Thanks for sharing!

  • @doreewood7885
    @doreewood7885 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have an old and loved tangerine tree and about 1/3 of the tree died this year. It was possibly caused when my dog was digging underneath and probably damaged the roots. I read all of the comments here and appreciate what I learned from your answers. I'm going to try to nurse it back. Thank you so much!

  • @karenmccartneymartin6273
    @karenmccartneymartin6273 Před 3 lety +2

    Your kitty is so cute! I smiled everytime I heard a meow or saw her tail in the camera shot :)

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +1

      She's becoming a star. Definitely ready for her close up.

  • @angelanelajuly2961
    @angelanelajuly2961 Před rokem +2

    Kind of informative for Hawaii. I live rainy side. Soil is acidic, extremely rocky. Needs composting all the time. Rains almost every night.

  • @betsydehaas5756
    @betsydehaas5756 Před 2 lety +1

    I just want to share that this totally helped our Meyers Lemon in Southern CA, only 4 years old. Now she is 5 and off and running again! However, also needed some Leaf Miner Captain Jack to help her out . . . I also removed all the fruit she made last summer when her leaves started dropping in order to preserve her energy and took special care to bag diseased leaves and dispose of them properly.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Yay for testimonials! Thanks so much for reporting back. We're glad it helped and you did the right thing to remove the fruit. It really does help focus energy on root production and recovery until the tree is healthy again. Way to go, Betsy!

  • @ARoadToRemember
    @ARoadToRemember Před rokem +1

    Your video is the best I’ve seen on citrus care tips! I’m going to apply the treatment plan on my lemon tree, which desperately needs some care. Thank you!

  • @smileytheresa63
    @smileytheresa63 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'm in zone 7 and keep my Myers lemon in a pot, outside in summer in my house in the winter. Had fruit on it until I brought it to the house. Lost a ton of leaves, turned yellow.

  • @jessiemcbride3465
    @jessiemcbride3465 Před 3 lety +4

    It’s like you read my mind with this topic. Exactly what I needed!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +1

      So glad you found this video helpful! Thank you for tuning in. More fruit tree advice still to come.

    • @decreed9505
      @decreed9505 Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd hi what about soursop trees

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      @@decreed9505 Not sure. Sourop is a tropical and has other commonalities with citrus: prefers acidic soil (5.5-6.5), grows in moderate / mild temperatures. So heck, worth a try. Keep us posted on how it goes.

    • @decreed9505
      @decreed9505 Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd yes I have two trees.. Both 1yr old but I realise a few leaves on one of the trees are curling upwards and a couple others are turning yellow... I don't know if it needs more manure since I have given them both already... Or maybe I'm over watering or underwatering... I live in the Caribbean... Thanx for your quick response 🙏🏾🙌🏾

    • @decreed9505
      @decreed9505 Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd the leaves curls upwards having a withery look but the other tree looks very healthy

  • @KT-wr7ju
    @KT-wr7ju Před 2 lety +2

    Was that your cat purring toward the end!? 😹😻 Great, informative video, thank you!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      It very well could be. If not, it's an airplane flying overhead or a motorcycle going by. City living...

  • @lissagilmore620
    @lissagilmore620 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for talking about watering for the citrus.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +2

      I'm so glad you found the video helpful. Thank you for watching!

  • @teresaadela1533
    @teresaadela1533 Před 2 lety +2

    Good information! Im trying to fix the citrus trees we have. Hope this helps them! Thank you!

  • @tanjagolden5402
    @tanjagolden5402 Před 3 lety +1

    The most thorough video ever. Awesome

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      Glad you liked it! We hope it helps you with your citrus trees.

  • @kevinyoung1226
    @kevinyoung1226 Před 2 lety +3

    My tree responded so well to this after only a couple weeks

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      So glad to hear it. Hopefully your testimonial will help others give this treatment a try.

    • @kevinyoung1226
      @kevinyoung1226 Před 2 lety +1

      There is so many new branches coming on it’s crazy!!!

  • @LeeHoyt-ew8xc
    @LeeHoyt-ew8xc Před rokem +1

    Good stuff! Finished up your steps today and will be waiting for results soon. Mine aren't too bad, just can tell they need some help. Thanks!

  • @alexkakooza3116
    @alexkakooza3116 Před rokem +2

    Wow, thanks for sharing this info dear..watching from Uganda

  • @devintheguru
    @devintheguru Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you. This is exactly the holistic protocol I was looking for that doesn't involve sprays and pesticides and other chemicals. I know it's because the trees aren't healthy, which makes them susceptible to pests and diseases, but all the other videos only address the symptoms and not the underlying issue. I want to support to the trees, not bagger them with more stress by excessive pruning and spraying.
    Worm castings is on my list of measures to revitalize the garden, and this video highlights the importance of why that is.
    🌺🍵🙏

  • @sdarcher3964
    @sdarcher3964 Před 2 lety +3

    Im in love with mittens 😆

  • @NaumeOdongkaraOdwogogang
    @NaumeOdongkaraOdwogogang Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you for sharing your experience and expertise on this important topic. I will definitely implement your ideas for my orange tree. May you continue to move in abundance of fruitfulness by your contribution to healthy living. Thank you.

  • @Dude29
    @Dude29 Před 3 lety +2

    Wow lady, exceptionally informative vídeo, well done!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you so much! Glad you found it helpful!

  • @thepeppos
    @thepeppos Před 2 lety

    Found the channel through this video, staying for the channels name alone! Love it 😁

  • @JessicaSchRealtor
    @JessicaSchRealtor Před 2 lety +1

    Very helpful information. Thanks!

  • @FlipGardener
    @FlipGardener Před 2 lety

    Living in NY zone 6, its so very difficult to get citrus to thrive. Ive probably lost over a dozen plants in the last 20 years yet I always keep going and learning. I will definitely try the worm castings, but the most difficult part is the 6 months of very cold weather. I have them inside next to a sunny window, with supplemental grow lights 12 hrs a day and they still barely survive. Anyway, I’ll keep trying. Also, Mittens is adorable and a real star. I agree with most that more Mittens is a real treat.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Glad to hear you will keep trying. And yes, noted - more Mittens.

  • @eldorawillie6108
    @eldorawillie6108 Před 2 lety

    Very good advice about how to solve citrus trees problems. Very informative!

  • @kennydieu2694
    @kennydieu2694 Před 16 dny

    Great video and very informative.Thanks for sharing.

  • @miltonwelch8619
    @miltonwelch8619 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Christy, you're aw'right man!

  • @Xingqiwu387
    @Xingqiwu387 Před rokem

    Thank you and Mittens a million! We're going to try your suggestions on all our citrus trees.

  • @karenshepley1768
    @karenshepley1768 Před rokem

    Wow so much useful info in a simple and oh so short video. Yay for me 😅❤ thank you

  • @lasanthaperera462
    @lasanthaperera462 Před rokem

    Thank you for your valuable information, I think it’s going to help my citrus tree,thanks again.

  • @richardcholatheblogger
    @richardcholatheblogger Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome videos,u just saved my citrus trees

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      That is fantastic to hear! I'm glad your citrus trees were saved.

  • @freddiestarratemyham
    @freddiestarratemyham Před rokem +1

    Watching from Australia,love the video 🙌

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem

      Hello, Down Under! Thanks for watching. Happy spring to you.

  • @WarhammerDad
    @WarhammerDad Před 2 lety +1

    Lots of good advice in here, I think. Only thing-photosynthesis doesn't create Chlorophyll. Chlorophyll enables photosynthesis. I think you just misspoke. I have citrus in pots and never thought about a layer of worm castings. I will try a modified version of your plan. Thanks

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Thanks for the correction. I misspeak a lot these days. Words...Let us know how the worm castings work out.

  • @roysandoval8230
    @roysandoval8230 Před měsícem

    Thanks for the updates

  • @MocroM911
    @MocroM911 Před 3 lety +2

    Nice gardening channel nice voice

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Glad you enjoyed the videos. Happy gardening!

  • @kartarrajput2061
    @kartarrajput2061 Před 2 lety +1

    Great information 🙏

  • @Eugene2ndW
    @Eugene2ndW Před 2 lety

    My lemon trees, Ponderosa, have good leaves, but only produces about 15 blooms several times a year. They are about 10 ft tall and 7 ft dia driip line. I live on the Gulf Coast, south of Houston, 15 miles from the beach. I have used Epson salt and iron sulfate as well as Azealia and Citrus fertilizer. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. They tend to bloom more in December.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Give this a try and keep us posted how it goes.

    • @Eugene2ndW
      @Eugene2ndW Před 2 lety

      @@Gardenerd I'm not sure what your are referring to. What did I miss?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      @@Eugene2ndW I'm referring to the video and the strategy advised in it. Unless you've already tried it and are still having difficulties.

  • @gazizaempringham1346
    @gazizaempringham1346 Před 2 lety

    Interesting and really helpful 👍🏻Thanks 🌹

  • @amymagnon5237
    @amymagnon5237 Před 3 lety

    I did your method, worked very well. Thanks!

  • @zengardener4279
    @zengardener4279 Před 3 lety +3

    6:26 mittens returns !!!!!!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      He's been making many guest appearances!

  • @31416x000
    @31416x000 Před 2 lety

    Thanks so much Lady.

  • @brinalpetrovic5560
    @brinalpetrovic5560 Před rokem +2

    I love mittens!

  • @lesliegeris230
    @lesliegeris230 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you! I did this today, cannot wait to see how it goes. My 3 year old semi- dwarf Eureka lemon was overwatered, poor thing.
    Question: what is the best mulch for this young tree?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +3

      The best mulch overall is oak leaves because soil foodweb microbes love it and it is non-aromatic (which means it's not anti-microbial by nature, like cedar or redwood chips are). But any mulch is going to be better than none. Any aromatic oils will eventually break down and the tree will love it.

  • @VTboys1220
    @VTboys1220 Před 3 lety +14

    My Meyer lemon tree is in a container, it has tons of fruit but they turn yellow, then black and fall off.. every single lemon does this, got any tips?

    • @rosann145
      @rosann145 Před 2 měsíci

      Any reply?

    • @Sunshinelove111
      @Sunshinelove111 Před měsícem

      Same thing is happening to mine

    • @lisamonoson
      @lisamonoson Před 3 dny

      Mines so heavy and all green lemons. How do you support it. I've found 2 on ground rotten. The rest may get a yellow spot but I can seem to harvest a fully yellow lemon to pick.

  • @billschroedel5249
    @billschroedel5249 Před 3 lety

    Thank you. Great vid and very helpful.

  • @KashmirMovieProduction
    @KashmirMovieProduction Před 3 lety +1

    Nice video sharing 🤝

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful!

  • @soniatriana9091
    @soniatriana9091 Před rokem

    Great video - thanks!!

  • @stevemoore5433
    @stevemoore5433 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Great video I have a question. my tree is in my front yard the grass goes right up to the trunk. Should I cut that grass away to the drip line?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I do recommend that. It makes it easier to access the root system for fertilizing and mulching.

    • @stevemoore5433
      @stevemoore5433 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Gardenerd thanks
      i guess i know what im doing this next weekend

  • @loafdad
    @loafdad Před 3 lety +1

    Another new subscriber.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      Thanks so much, Andy. We appreciate it!

  • @robertavalenti4185
    @robertavalenti4185 Před 2 lety

    Thank's for info Luv your Razorback hoodie!

  • @tomjeffries58
    @tomjeffries58 Před 2 lety

    Thank you! Think this will work.

  • @karlpatrickprias8185
    @karlpatrickprias8185 Před rokem +2

    My orange tree is not growing and leaves are curving unusually though the leaves look healthy

  • @borracho-joe7255
    @borracho-joe7255 Před rokem +1

    I can’t produce worm castings unfortunately 😢. But I do have worm bins that do.😅

  • @FknNefFy
    @FknNefFy Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you!

  • @aymanantoun2083
    @aymanantoun2083 Před 3 lety +1

    I like what you said I wish that the 4 or 5 steps if you can do it yourself with a video to be clear
    Thanks!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      We always add more information to the blog following the video. I hope that helps: gardenerd.com/blog/youtube-how-to-fix-most-citrus-tree-problems/ - I will keep things in mind for our next video. Thanks for letting me know.

  • @mateennique
    @mateennique Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for this video.
    Would you mind posting the steps, please?
    I've watched multiple times and I am confused how far from the trunk I'm supposed to put in the mix.
    1/4 inch of worm castings mixed with fruit or citrus fertilizer from the trunk to the drip line?
    Then, on top of that, 1/4 inch of azalea mix 4 inches from the trunk to the drip line?
    Did I understand this correctly? I have all of the stuff ready to be applied :-)

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Start 4" away from the trunk of the tree and apply the worm castings first. Scratch in organic fruit tree fertilizer into that (mixing the two into the soil), then mulch over the top of all of it with acid planting mix. If you can apply all layers evenly as far out in diameter as the tree's drip line (yes, what you wrote is correct), that's best. Does that make more sense?

    • @mateennique
      @mateennique Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd Yes, thank you for the explanation!
      Two of my lemons are in 22" containers so I don't have much room to work with, but I'll try.

  • @billhardy9697
    @billhardy9697 Před rokem +1

    I live in Arizona. My citrus trees have I think heat stress from the super hot July we just had. Leaves are crispy and the lemon tree is dropping its fruit. What should I do? I was told by a local nursery to water them often. I did. The trees still show some green in the limbs so they are not totally dead.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem +2

      In extreme heat you may need to water more often. It's also a good idea to provide some shade for the tree during this time. Drape it with shade cloth and cover the root area with a 3-5" layer of mulch. That will help keep the roots cool and protect moisture from evaporation. Keep checking on the tree. If it recovers, it may take a while, so keep an eye on it for changes.

  • @kathyglendinning8976
    @kathyglendinning8976 Před 3 lety +1

    Lots of flowers and small fruit on my Meyer lemon in a pot. Then they all turn black and fall off!! Help! I use citrus organic fertilizer and worm casting but not regularly.

  • @Adri0ebs
    @Adri0ebs Před 2 měsíci +2

    My lemon tree’s leaves look burned. 😢 It’s still flowering and has new leaves, but the bigger leaves keep looking burned. Do you have any idea what that might be?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 měsíci +2

      It could be a number of things. First check the irrigation to see if the tree is getting water. It could be sunscald if you've had sudden changes in temperature and the weather has been hot where you are. If you're near commercial agriculture or construction it could be a chemical burn (pesticides, herbicides, or chemical fertilizers). Those are the things to check for off the top. If it's none of those things, then do a soil test for nutrients and see what's lacking. Certain micronutrient deficiencies can show up in the leaves like that but rather than applying blindly it's best to do a soil test to find out first what's missing.

  • @loosethreadstitchers1665

    My 2 lemon trees are growing in pots because I have to bring them in in the winter. Would I apply the worm castings and acid loving mix 1/4" around the width of the pot? They are currently growing in 16" pots.

  • @melkinz8972
    @melkinz8972 Před rokem +1

    Hi! Your explanation of the citrus treatment was so easy to follow. I just found your video and have been searching high and low for information regarding a citrus tree that my late father-in-law planted. The spring weather in northern Cali has been odd, it’s only barely warmed up. I have noticed the orange tree has new growth; however I do see few sporadic leaves turning yellow, and one bit of leaves having brown spots on it (sunburn? Fertilizer burn?) I am so lost. Can you help some?

    • @melkinz8972
      @melkinz8972 Před rokem +1

      I failed to mention I just recently did the organic citrus fertilizer treatment. Debating if your citrus treatment would do more of what it needs???

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem

      @@melkinz8972 It can take up to a couple weeks to see improvement with the citrus treatment, and it can be repeated monthly if you don't see improvement. A few leaves turning yellow is normal when it starts to flower. It's shifting energy to fruit production, away from making green leaves. Brown spots can indicate a number of things, from die off to pesticide drift, to a disease. But keep an eye on it for spread and make sure the soil is well draining. Over watering and poor drainage are main reasons for yellowing.

  • @abundantYOUniverse
    @abundantYOUniverse Před měsícem

    This was really good thanks!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před měsícem +1

      Glad you found it helpful!

    • @Wolf-xu1fj
      @Wolf-xu1fj Před měsícem

      So was your mom. Thank you

    • @Wolf-xu1fj
      @Wolf-xu1fj Před měsícem

      @@abundantYOUniverse I am sorry

    • @abundantYOUniverse
      @abundantYOUniverse Před měsícem

      @@Wolf-xu1fj I am just kidding LOL!

    • @Wolf-xu1fj
      @Wolf-xu1fj Před měsícem

      @@abundantYOUniverse I knew It you bastard .

  • @williamjohnson6152
    @williamjohnson6152 Před rokem

    Thank you 😊

  • @catsinq5726
    @catsinq5726 Před rokem +1

    I live in the FL panhandle, rather close to the beach (about a half mile away). I have heard that it's a good idea to add lime to the soil to help "sweeten the soil" -- I think people mean it makes the oranges sweeter. Not sure if it's just a local idea, or if there's some truth to it. If so, how would I add it? Mix it in with the worm casings?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem +2

      Lime is a pH adjuster, so it will make soil more alkaline. If your soil is already fairly alkaline, I don't recommend it. But there are reasons that liming can benefit citrus trees: "Liming acid soils results in better crop yields by: a) raising soil pH, b) improving overall nutrient availability, c) reducing soluble aluminum and d) improving microbial activity." Use this PDF as a guide for which kind of lime to add depending on what you want to accomplish: www.canr.msu.edu/resources/facts_about_soil_acidity_and_lime_e1566

  • @isabellezablocki7447
    @isabellezablocki7447 Před rokem +1

    Great video! Any suggestion for someone who is trying to avoid animal products, especially the ones coming form factory farms like feather meal present in the acid mix?(like in the azalea, camellia & acid mix). Chickens are raised at 99% in factory farms that is to say in horrible conditions. Bat guano and worm cast are fine to me as animals are left alone.
    Anyway, thanks for the tip of getting soil tested.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem +1

      I hear you. We have a number of vegan clients, and we always explain that most fertilizers are based in animal byproducts. Down to Earth makes a vegan fertilizer "Vegan Mix" that uses soy and alfalfa meal. Keep in mind that most of these crops are genetically engineered these days, so check with the manufacturer to find out where they source their ingredients. As for acid planting mix, that's a tricky one. I haven't found a vegan substitute for that yet but I'll keep my eyes peeled. Some folks use diluted vinegar on their blueberries to reduce the soil pH. You could try that instead.

    • @isabellezablocki7447
      @isabellezablocki7447 Před rokem

      @@Gardenerd Ok, thanks for the tip about vinegar. I agree that GMO soy or alfalfa would not be great. I will check the source. Most of us are against factory farms, vegan or not, yet we are constantly using byproducts from factory farms for our gardent or for our pet foods.

    • @malcolmbrewer
      @malcolmbrewer Před rokem +1

      Don't use shovels... the chop cute little worms in half.

  • @mereplants3449
    @mereplants3449 Před rokem +1

    Nice info

  • @memoqueen
    @memoqueen Před 3 měsíci +1

    There are scale bugs all over my fruit salad citrus tree. This is the first year I can remember it being so bad. There are a large number of lemons that have holes and bugs on them. A few lemons have white fuzz all over them. I believe the tree is a semi-dwarf with Meyer lemons, mandarin oranges, navels and limes. Mostly there are lemons. There are flowers, as well, so I know more fruit is coming. I've also seen many snails and some of the lemons have grown to be the size of a grapefruit with a thick skin. From what I heard, this could be a sign of a lack of nutrients. I live near the San Diego coast. Can I spray neem oil now? Should I remove the fruit first? I appreciate your advice.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yes, it's a soil / nutrient issue. Do the citrus treatment mentioned in this video, and use neem as a last resort to reduce the population. Repeat the citrus treatment from the video every month until you see improvement. The worm castings will help with scale. You don't need to remove the fruit first.

  • @Ryan-mm9je
    @Ryan-mm9je Před 3 lety +1

    Sorry to ask so many questions but I bought some mulch from Lowe’s to put over the citrus treatment. Only problem now is the mulch I believe, or the flies came after the citrus treatment, was infested with little black flies and Beatles so of course after two days I removed the mulch. The insects are still flying above the tree and in the soil, is there anything I can do ?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Sorry to hear that happened. It's hard to say without knowing what bugs were brought in. But generally speaking, if there were soil gnats in the mulch, letting the soil dry down usually kills them off (interrupts the lifecycle and desiccates the eggs in the soil). As for beetles, you could try sticky traps or find a beneficial nematode that is a predator of that beetle. Those are my first thoughts.

  • @msfruitful8445
    @msfruitful8445 Před rokem +1

    Good morning, do you have any information on what to do when the citrus trees had frost damage

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem

      Wrapping trees, timely pruning and other tips are mentioned in this article from UCANR: ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=45517

  • @jevanramsook5380
    @jevanramsook5380 Před 3 lety +1

    .....very informative

  • @NanithaPls
    @NanithaPls Před 2 lety +1

    Liked and subscribed 😍

  • @larrytischler570
    @larrytischler570 Před 2 lety

    Let me guess, you must be in California with that cool Pacific nearby. If you were on HOT Gulf Coast, you would never tell people to water only according to some fixed schedule, but when the temperatures and rains dictate. Florida citrus folks recommend 1" per week of water in the warmer months. And that is for good citrus soils which run kind of sandy and porous there. Here on the middle Texas Coast we typically have a sandy raised bed or a berm perched on an impossibly impermeable sticky clay with a very high pH calcarious subsoil. And when we have a hot summer, we may have to water every three days. Or like this year, not at all.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Agreed. We always tell people to water according to their soil needs and as temperatures dictate. everyone wants to know a pat answer to the question, but the answer is always "It depends". The set schedule changes depending on the weather, soil structure, location and age of the tree. We encourage people to get up close and personal with their soil to learn what it needs.

  • @beeherehomehomeschool
    @beeherehomehomeschool Před 23 dny +1

    If you live in Florida (it rains every day in the summer) how do you water less? Give the tree an umbrella? 😅

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 23 dny +1

      The best thing you can do is improve drainage so that the soil doesn't get water logged. Keep adding compost and worm castings and top it with mulch to feed soil microbes. They will tunnel in your soil and improve the structure so that it will drain a little faster. And test the soil for nutrient levels more often (it washes out with rains) and keep on top of your fertilizing schedule. That will help the tree endure soggy weather much better.

    • @beeherehomehomeschool
      @beeherehomehomeschool Před 23 dny

      @@Gardenerd thank you so much for the suggestions!

  • @jaynixon3502
    @jaynixon3502 Před 3 měsíci +2

    My Lemon Tree has started losing strips of bark off the branches. Anybody know what this might be and how to treat this issue? I'm worried I'll lose this tree.....

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 měsíci +2

      If it's losing strips of bark, there is definitely something wrong with it. It could be phytophthora, a pathogen that grows in wet soils. It has no cure, but you can slow it down with beneficial compost tea applications. Add mulch and improve drainage if you have wet or poor-draining soils. And if you replant a new tree, be sure to do all the prep work to amend the soil for better drainage before planting the tree. It's the most important process in tree care.

    • @jaynixon3502
      @jaynixon3502 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Gardenerd Thank you so much for this info. I will check further into this pathogen with my local nursery. We live in southern California and had a very rainy winter. I truly appreciate your help. Patty Nixon

  • @mariatrujillo5284
    @mariatrujillo5284 Před rokem

    Do you have books regarding other plants/trees? Very interesting and easy to follow. Thank you!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem

      I'm glad you find the info easy to follow. We focus on edible crops (fruits and veggies, herbs) so we don't have any books on non-edible crops except for pollinator plants mentioned in both books. You might look to your local native plant society for suggestions for the best books on native trees and shrubs in your area.

  • @mguizar54
    @mguizar54 Před 3 lety

    Hello, great information on the video, My son has a lemon tree that is partly dead and has two large dead branches but one large one that is still bearing lemons. Should I cut the dead branches off or leave them alone? Thank you for any help you can give.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, he can cut back the dead branches until he sees green in the cross section. Cut back all the brown until you start to see green inside the branch. Dead branches won't sprout new growth.

  • @1awsomeface
    @1awsomeface Před měsícem

    The Meyer has not been watered and it try to get lemons but there starting to grow but there very small tiny some have been burned and are black we can't see em water by the hose because the water prices are very high here so I am starting to water it with dish water from bottles that is the only way this tree is older and medium in height any advice out there that can help ?😢

  • @darleneh7740
    @darleneh7740 Před 2 lety

    “That’s my cat trying to kill a dog!” 😂

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Have to have a sense of humor!

  • @nomasknoway9903
    @nomasknoway9903 Před rokem +1

    I planted a young citrus tree and within a month I noticed leaf miners and leaf curl. I found your video and applied your citrus treatment. The problem was pretty bad and I thought it would take months to recover. In two weeks I noticed improvement. In one month the tree looks great and has grown noticeably taller. A second stem has shot up from the base below the mulch. Should this be pruned? If I let it grow will it deprive the main trunk and tree?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem

      I'm so glad it worked well for you. That second shoot sounds like root stock. If it's growing from below the graft union, definitely prune it off with a removal cut.

    • @nomasknoway9903
      @nomasknoway9903 Před rokem

      @@Gardenerd Thank you for such a timely reply and for the great information you share in your videos.

  • @roderickfiske4769
    @roderickfiske4769 Před 2 lety

    I’ve 4 skeletal citrus trees , by skeletal , lots of dead branches surrounded by yellow leaves , they aren’t young trees & there’s a couple of days work to cut all the dead wood out . Over the years I’ve done lots of cutting out , weeding, mulching ,deep watering but they’ve gone from reasonable amount of fruit to what looks like deaths door , I’ve also given them organic horse manure as fertiliser . They are just about surviving in central Portugal , long very hot summers & no frost winters . Help please , we’re awaiting the winter rains , we get very few cold months with practically no spring. Great video , when’s the best time to carry out your regime etc.?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Aw, poor trees. I'm sorry to hear they are not doing well. It sounds like your climate is similar to mine. Have you noticed any dark spots inside the wood when you pruned away the dead and dying material? I'm also wondering if there has been any environmental disturbance (construction, chemical spraying nearby, or irrigation leak) that might be contributing to the problem. You can implement the citrus treatment anytime you need to. And you can repeat it monthly until you see improvement. Just make sure to start 4" away from the trunk and keep the first root flare exposed on those trees. Keep us posted on how it goes.

  • @mr.rogers1962
    @mr.rogers1962 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I live in Nevada where it is dry. My lemon tree was fine outside. Brought it in for the winter, lost all of its leaves 6 months now. No growth, but it is green. Put it back outside, not sure what to do never Have a citrus tree

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 měsíci

      Sorry to hear about your lemon tree. If it dropped all of its leaves but is still green inside the branch cross section that could indicate that it's going through a slow death. You could try giving it some nitrogen organic fertilizer to see if that helps stimulate new growth.

  • @louiseahmedtropicalplantgr5000

    Thank you for uploading this information. I have some citrus in my plastic greenhouse, they're in large pots. This year the flowers were poor and whatever fruit they got fell off. Is it too late to add worm compost as I won't be watering them now for a while or can I just leave the worm compost on the top layer.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      You could give them a little now, but I would avoid feeding them too much as the season is winding down. Then hit them when things warm up again in spring.

  • @thegamingelk5568
    @thegamingelk5568 Před 3 lety

    There was an old lemon tree at my grandparents house it was really old but it wasn’t even a foot tall we mowed over it was there a way to fix if

  • @contracide
    @contracide Před 2 lety +1

    I had a branch that was damaged and fell off. . . It took some bark with it..will the bark grow back?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      It depends. If you can trim up the break to the branch collar, the bark is more likely to grow back and heal the wound. But if it stripped down the tree, that part may not heal. Do not use any kind of "tree wound sealer". That will only prevent the tree from healing itself. If the wound is on the south side, you can cover the exposed area loosely with newspaper for a little while to protect it from sunburn until the canopy grows back in to cover it.

  • @leonardodavid1945
    @leonardodavid1945 Před 2 lety

    Maam, I am one among your subscribers and thanks for your informative video. Maam if I may ask, what is the best solution you can advice me regarding my citrus plants. Yes, some of their branches become dry and I see some like liquid plastic comes out from the stem. What shall I do to prevent and protect my plants from these desease?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      Hi Leonardo, it sounds like your tree is already diseased. The best thing to do is to cut off the infected branches. Hopefully it is only coming from a branch and not the trunk. If it is oozing from the trunk it may be too late for your tree. I would recommend consulting an arborist or your local nursery with pictures of the sap so they can help you diagnose it specifically. They may have a recommendation for treatment (probably not organic) to help keep the tree strong and fight the infection. But if the trunk is diseased, you may lose the tree.

    • @leonardodavid1945
      @leonardodavid1945 Před 2 lety

      @@Gardenerd thanks a lot maam. It is only a part of the branch infected so i have to cut it off. Keep safe.

  • @pcaron3521
    @pcaron3521 Před 2 lety

    Hi Christy, I've watched this video numerous times and really like it! I have followed your plan. I was hoping to correct light green spots on my dark green leaves. I'm thinking not enough nitrogen. Maybe more worm castings?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety

      If you've just applied the citrus treatment, wait a couple weeks to see how things improve. You can repeat the process every month until things balance out. Worm castings go a long way, so you may not need more. Just more time and consistency over the next few months. Keep me posted.

    • @pcaron3521
      @pcaron3521 Před 2 lety

      @@Gardenerd Thank you for the reply. I did wait 2 weeks for results, but there were no changes. Per instructions on the package I applied 1/2 cup of worm castings to a 16 inch pot. I may give it another try in a month.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 lety +1

      @@pcaron3521 Got it. That sounds about right. Check your soil moisture as well, and make sure the drainage is flowing. Too much water can cause the plant to be unable to undergo photosynthesis - so yellowing would incur.

  • @TheJanicetunes
    @TheJanicetunes Před 3 lety

    Wow!! So much knowledge. I wish i found you last year lol. Im def subscribing!!! Question: My trees in pots are surviving, but not thriving. I repotted my dwarf keylime and meyer lemon just yesterday because i felt like my soil went anaerobic. I took off all the soil. I repotted with sand/perlitte/vermiculite/potting soil/crushed lava rocks/ with a little blood meal, citrus fertilizer and worm castings all mixed in. Then i sprinkled a tiny bit of worm castings on the top. Should I wait before I do your citrus treatment or should i do it now? Also i think my cypress pine bark that i usually use smells funny so i dont want to use it. Im not sure if it went bad stored in its plastic bag it came in. Is there another mulch u recommend? Rice hulls, cedar chips? BTW im in zone 8a

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for subscribing, and I'm glad you found the info helpful. I would hold off on doing the citrus treatment until the tree recovers from transplant shock. For now, watering with diluted kelp emulsion will help reduce the transplant shock. Mulch is always good to add right away. It will help protect the roots (which are shallow in citrus) and retain moisture. As for mulch, I use whatever is available, but I usually avoid "color enhanced mulch".

    • @TheJanicetunes
      @TheJanicetunes Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd IT WORKED!!!! After using my seaweed fertilzer for a few weeks. I applied the method to both trees and they both came back from near dead trees that I was going to throw out. Both were brown sticks in containers. After one treatment I saw some life. Most definitely after 2 treatment. They are now even budding. They have fresh new leaves. The keylime still have some brown branches, that I will probably prune off. But thank you so much for sharing this method!!!! I still cant believe it!!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      @@TheJanicetunes So glad to hear!

  • @robertolson3115
    @robertolson3115 Před 3 lety

    We live in the tropics with over 100 inches of rain per year. WE can't prevent the excess watering. over 100 inches per year. Soil runs on the acidic side.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      That is a unique situation, Robert. While I envy some of that rain (we only got 3" last year) I understand there's nothing you can do about excessive watering. Instead the focus on building up the microbial life in the soil (especially after flooding, where the soil will most likely go anaerobic) and soil organic matter is the key to good drainage. Compost, thick layers of mulch, compost teas, worm castings, will all help improve soil permeability and will inoculate stressed soils.

  • @jamesevans3830
    @jamesevans3830 Před rokem

    Had a lemon water this morning. When opened had little black specs inside that I was able to remove with a spoon. Maybe about 8,10 in total. Anyone experience this? Lemon smelt fine but was a little strong.

  • @Schwidawg
    @Schwidawg Před rokem

    great video, thank you. I do have a question. Is there a time or times during the year or growth cycle of the citrus tree you do not apply this method? I have read/heard that applying fertilizer during the flowering stages of citrus trees will prevent the further growth of fruit but increase the growth of foliage.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem +1

      Hi Lisa, I have not experienced that. I try to apply fertilizer when I see flowers just starting to open or right before. That gives them the energy they need to set fruit and mature without much else. I suppose it's important to add that too much nitrogen will cause what you mentioned, but a balanced fruit tree fertilizer will have phosphorus and potassium for fruiting and flowering.

  • @goldenwhisper66
    @goldenwhisper66 Před měsícem +1

    Im trying to grow lemon seedlings. My leaves are starting to get wilty, what can i do ? Their oly a few months old

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před měsícem

      Hard to tell from that description. Care to elaborate? What did you grow them from (seeds, cuttings?), what are they planted in? What color are the leaves? Are they grafted onto rootstock?

    • @goldenwhisper66
      @goldenwhisper66 Před měsícem

      Started from seed , the leaves are still green , looking wilty, like they been lack of water.. although they definitely haven't..the dirt is moist.

    • @goldenwhisper66
      @goldenwhisper66 Před měsícem

      Planted from seed, not grafted. They're about 6-6 in. Tall. They have about 8 leaves on them

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před měsícem

      @@goldenwhisper66 Sorry to hear. Seed-grown trees tend to be weaker than grafted trees, and there is no guarantee that the fruit will taste like the fruit you took the seed from. I always recommend starting from grafted trees to ensure success. That said, give the treatment in this video a try and see how it goes. Usually folks see improvement in 2 weeks from the first application.

  • @iknowheis
    @iknowheis Před 3 lety +2

    When I first repotted my tree early this year I had a tray under it and it stayed full of water for a month or so. I finally took the tray off but the tree was starting to look not so good already. The tree now has been without the water catching tray for a couple months. I have cut way back on watering and water once a week. Can I use this treatment and the tree will eventually get to the right amount of moisture in the soil or should I repot the tree again?

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Your story sounds a lot like the one I told in my "How to save a pot-bound tree" video. My apple tree was drowning, but when we broke it free from it's pot and planted it in the ground it returned to life. It may take awhile, but it's worth a shot. This citrus treatment will give a shot in the arm to hopefully help generate some new leaves (I imagine many fell off while it was soggy). If you don't see improvement in a couple weeks, then consider examining the roots to cut away any dead/rotten roots and see if that helps.

    • @iknowheis
      @iknowheis Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd it lost quite a few leaves but it still has a lot of leaves many of the leaves are curled under also they leaves are quite yellow with green veins. I have read the yellow with green veins is iron deficiency but don’t know what the curled under leaves means. The ph is not acid either! I have to help my tree! One man suggested azalea potting soil but so far I can’t find any. I have found azalea fertilizer, will that be a decent substitute even in your treatment? I’m heading over to a local nursery today.

    • @iknowheis
      @iknowheis Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd Thank you for your response!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety +1

      @@iknowheis Azalea mix (potting soil) is often labeled as Acid-loving planting mix or Rhododendron mix. The nursery should be able to help you with that. I imagine they will have some kind of potting soil for acid loving plants. The leaf discoloration has to do with the fact that the roots had no access to oxygen for quite some time (roots need oxygen in order to produce chlorophyll, through photosynthesis). Those leaves will most likely drop off, but the citrus treatment will encourage new leaf growth to replace them (hopefully soon). Acid fertilizer is a little different than acid planting mix, but both will help drop the soil pH, which citrus appreciates. Just don't overdue it. At the moment I would avoid using single nutrients to try to solve the problem. If the yellowing persists after the tree recovers (starts growing new green leaves), THEN consider the iron sulfate additionally. But usually trees don't need it once the citrus treatment takes effect.

    • @iknowheis
      @iknowheis Před 3 lety

      @@Gardenerd Thank you!

  • @lalithaganesan3372
    @lalithaganesan3372 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I bought one year old meiwa kumquat it’s growing slowly. I bought this plant two months ago. I am in zone 8 a. It’s in full sun area. It is in a pot. What type of fertiliser do I need to use. Since the plant is one year old do I need to wait until next year or do I need to fertilize now. Please let me know what type of fertiliser because I am new to gardening. Thank you so much for your time.

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Fruit trees in containers will need more regular feeding than those in the ground. We use a blended organic fruit tree fertilizer (like Dr. Earth, Down to Earth, G&B or Fox Farm for example) to feed monthly during the flowering season. Since the tree can't reach down into deep soil for nutrients you're going to have to provide that for the tree regularly. I recommend getting a simple home soil test so you can tell whether the soil is lacking in nutrients. If leaves turn yellow, it could be a lack of nitrogen, or overwatering, for example. So a soil test will be able to answer that question for you pretty easily. Rapitest is a good home soil test that you can use to determine what your kumquat needs. When it starts to flower, start feeding it monthly through the growing season. That will do the trick.

    • @lalithaganesan3372
      @lalithaganesan3372 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Gardenerd Thank you for your prompt response. Will definitely follow your recommendations 🙏

    • @lalithaganesan3372
      @lalithaganesan3372 Před 2 měsíci

      Again thank you so much. Now I see few flower buds. I have used Jobes fruit and citrus fertilizer, Alaska fish fertilizer one week, next week used handful of worm castings. Now since it has started to flower am I supposed to use Jobe’s organic granular plant food every month? Mine is a one year old plant per nursery, kept it in a 12” pot. It’s flowering now because of your advice. Can I use cow manure aged or mushroom compost to enrich the soil? Thank you🙏

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 2 měsíci

      @@lalithaganesan3372 Yay! So glad to hear that. Monthly feeding is essential for trees in containers, so keep that up through the fruiting season. I love mushroom compost, so yes, you can use that as a delivery medium for your fertilizer. They go well together. Good luck and keep us posted!

    • @lalithaganesan3372
      @lalithaganesan3372 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Gardenerd Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

  • @dawnkeckley7502
    @dawnkeckley7502 Před 4 měsíci

    I’m in Zone 8b, and the lowest temp we’ve had this winter was 22 F. This is my second year with my Meyer lemon which I grow in a container. The leaves are looking a bit curled. I didn’t bring it in when the temps got that low. Any idea what I should do? Is it a gonner? Thank you!

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 4 měsíci

      It may have suffered some damage. Keep an eye on it for new growth and flowering. If it still has leaves, and they didn't all drop, that's a good sign. Use the treatment described in this video and you'll see new growth and fruiting soon, hopefully.

  • @travisk5589
    @travisk5589 Před 3 lety

    I have been trying to produce worn castings for years. I prefer just to purchase them

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před 3 lety

      There's no shame in buying worm castings. That's one convenience I'm a big fan of.

  • @lablvr6000
    @lablvr6000 Před rokem

    I have a dwarf, Meyer lemon tree in a pot, three years old, leaves are green. I just recently cut back to roots stock branches. I have no fruit and I fertilize two times a year. Should I mix in worm castings with my soil??

    • @Gardenerd
      @Gardenerd  Před rokem +1

      Try the citrus treatment in this video monthly until you see improvement. Most trees in pots need to be fertilized WAY more than 2x per year. Watering the pot flushes out nutrients. Give the citrus treatment a try and report back your results.