American Heart Association Ranks Diets, Vegan Falls Short
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The AHA has decided to make list of the diets they believe are the best and there are some inconsistent point deductions that hurt healthy plant-based diets.
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giving a diet a lower score if there's not restaurant choices is like ranking water lower as a healthy beverage because you can't use it as a mixer for alcohol.
Wonderful analogy. Bravo!
Seriously! That makes zero sense.
Ha haaa!!! Nice one!!
Right? It's like saying that "we' ( or people... ) are too dumb to learn to cook" ! 😂 Like that's the fault of the diet... Well it IS the fault of THEIR BAD diet ( among other things... ) but that's another story...
People do mix whisky with water here
"Oh, there are thousands scientific proofs that wholefood veganism is the best for cardiovascular health? Well, let us smash it down the ranking with ridiculous excuses like that it's hard to eat at restaurants."
The amount of intellectual dishonesty in this AHA ranking is disgusting. Wake up, people!
Agreed. I feel as though these researchers should declare their obvious biases against plant based diets, but of course they’re blind to it because eating animal products is “normal.”
Except there’s not. Mediterranean is on par.
@@campersruincod6134whole vegan Is more optimal. In truth most studies about mediterranean diet are only a score about healthy plant-based score
@@cicciomattese false. What’s optimal is not taking supplements. You cannot eat naturally as our ancestors did and consume all micronutrients as a vegan. You’re reliant on fortification and supplements.
Plant based =/= vegan. Claiming we need to eliminate meat is dumb. Claiming we need to drastically reduce our meat consumptions and stick to lean meats? Intelligent.
@@campersruincod6134 lol but don't count single b vitamins to say that a diet Is healthy or not but overall diet :-) and anyway take vitamins from harmfull sources have not sense. With vegan diet you can get all nutrients, both micro that macronutrient, from healthy (other that crueltry free and enviremental friendly) sources. With non vegan diet you can not
I have never before heard of the health value of a diet being ranked by how well people follow it when eating in restaurants.
Well, that's what you get when you have the Beef Association as your sponsor.
Albeit availability can be a factor of sustainability.
Which is important for a diet.
Maybe they took this into account.
@Majestic Artimus That's stupid though. I try to eat healthy outside the restaurant setting anyway. That's still better than eating unhealthy in and out of a restaurant.
@@miz4535 There also might be people going to restaurants less often if it doesn't fit their diet. Doesn't seem like they took that into account either.
@@missoats8731 I certainly don't go if I can help it...
When I went vegan, I tested my blood and again after about 9 months. My dangerously high bad cholesterol, triglycerides and blood pressure all fell like a stone to just above normal. 8 years later, going vegan is still the best thing I’ve ever done.
Even though I have a tendency towards junk food and really like coconut in all its forms - when I last had a blood test (last year), I still had low cholesterol and my blood pressure was within normal limits.
I do believe that if there is a money-incentive behind a medical association, there's going to be bias every time. You're never going to be able to fully trust their results.
I'm omnivore and all my blood test and blood pressure are all in the middle of the ranges they should be. It is all about not being fat, avoiding junkfood and other poisons. And of course a lot of movement
How is your blood sugar?
Also, my great uncle went vegan at 90 and lived to 105. He was sharp as a tack and still had a personal trainer to the very end.
wow... amazing... Did he have really good genes/ no health issues?... Tell us a little more about him... So inspiring... ♥
@@XeniaAidonopoulou Not sure about the genes since our family gets hit with heart attacks, strokes, cancer & diabetes. He was a vibrant man with an incredible brain and mind. Yes, super inspiring!
@@mattsapero1896 wonderful... Just goes to show what you can do when you remain so "alive" inside...
Rest in peace.
I bet his Vegan diet killed him
I am just joking
I seriously had no idea about the “partnership” between the AHA and the beef industry. For that reason alone, this was a great video. And yes, you can eat vegan at Taco Bell, I do that twice a week.
FYI, Taco Bell is not food, it's trash stay away from it. Their's to much crap in that food.100% of restaurant food is trash an not fresh, full of SOS. Salt, Oil an Sugar. Just FYI.
American Dieticians Association (not doctors) = Medical proof
American Heart Association (actual doctors) = Not medical proof.
Which is why it shouldn't be vegan diet, they should rate a whole foods plant based diet. I don't get the lower rankings .... Ah yes, paid by beef. 🤦🏼♀️🙄🤬😳🤯
sure, that's a good old explanation which never fails
so, is it implied here that it is possible to bribe the AHA and their opinion? how does it only work when it is at the expense of a vegan dietary choice?
Wfpb is great as long as you only eat white rice and no colored rice if you want to eat rice
the question arises, is white a color? @@dj-fe4ck
@@dj-fe4ck why?
I once had a GP who told me that a vegan diet was unhealthy bc it removes entire categories like meat and dairy. 😂 I am still vegan. I told her it is not my diet, it is my lifestyle. She has since retired.
That's sad. Both my GP and my mom's GP fully support our diets. It helps that's our bloodwork is always great.
Depends what works for you. My brother is a GP and vegan but I also know a GP who tried vegan food for 2 years but it didn't work out for him. He always lacked energy when he was a vegan. Not everyone benefits from the same diet, you kind of just have to figure out which works. I myself can't handle dairy of any sorts if there is lactose in it so I go with plantbased milk and stuff or lactose free but I do eat meat. When I eat meat I eat bio meat though meaning the animals didn't have any antibiotics, more space and plenty of outside time and I eat only beef and fish, other seafood with exceptions when dining out or snacking during nights out etc.
One of my high-school biology teachers said that you will have 0 cholesterol of you don't consume it with food. They even put it on a test. Meat-eater x amount cholesterol, vegan 0 cholesterol. This was proof, according to the teacher, that not eating meat will unalive you.
Nothing tells you more about the AHA and heart attacks than the fact that five years ago the President of the AHA suffered a heart attack while preparing to give a speech at their annual conference. YIKES!
Yikes, didn't know that. His name is John Warner - I'll have a read!
It's true...
YIKES!
AHA moment
Well where else would you want to have a heart attack
I'm vegan and my LDL is 79.
At first I felt sad to find out from this video that this LDL is above the average vegan, but then I remembered that most of my family from my mother's side LDL is more like around 200.
I guess I doing what I can considering my genetics.
Mine is 78, total cholesterol is 160 which for me is also not bad considering how high my parent's cholesterol is. They both take medication to lower cholesterol and they are only in their 50s
@@lizpimentel2566 My total cholesterol is 151-155 (did my tests twice), but it used to be a little above 200 before going vegan.
My mom is also taking pills for heart disease/high cholesterol. At one point, her total cholesterol was getting close to 400. She is not eating that much meat, but it adds up: a little meat here and there, dairy products on a daily basis, some eggs from time to time, together with smoking.
On the bright side, I inspired her to eat less meat, she now eats beans about every couple of days. Togheter with taking her pills, that got her total cholesterol to about 260, which is still not ideal, but it is much better than before. Sadly, she strongly opposes giving up dairy products or smoking and other people around her seem to have a greater influence than I do, she really does not want to stand out from the crowd.
85% of cholesterol is produced by your liver, not your diet, and most who have high cholesterol levels is due to it being familial in nature. You have to find out through testing if the LDL is apo A or apo B to determine if you have something to worry about. Individuals are having heart attacks and feeling lousy from taking prescription drugs to get the #'s the doctor wants to see. If you have high triglycerides you'll need to do what it takes to get that under 150 mg/dl and get the HDL 40 mg/dl or higher.
Another fantastic video Mic and it sounds like the American Heart Association is funded by the animal agriculture industry because with the exception of oil a vegan diet especially if it's a vegan whole plant foods diet reduces the risk of many chronic disease. For those with heart disease if they follow the diet recommendations from the AHA it's possible they are increasing the chance of taking another heart attack.
you are terribly ill-equipped for making arguments. AHA shills because - the vegan diet is the best. yeah, absolutely, definitely.
This sounds like conspiracy theorist stuff. "This study didn't fit my worldview so there must be secret bought-and-paid-for corruption going on!!". Oh please
Hmmmm, maybe that's by design. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but does the AHA persist if heart disease becomes rare?
If the AHA is biased towards the animal industry why did it put the keto diet 'dead last'? Maybe the truth is that much of the funding comes from plant based industries such as the unhealthy corn and sugar industries.
What happened to trust the medical authiritaaaaa?
The AHA knows the truth. They're more interested in the animal ag money they receive than they are in preventing premature death.
they also need to keep the cardiology industry alive and healthy;)
And this is why they put the keto diet dead last? Sounds very illogical to me if they are more interested in animal ag money. Don't be fooled by biased influencers. Do your own research.
I have missed you so much Mike. We have all missed you. Welcome back. Keep speaking truth to power sir.
Truth to power hahaha keep spitting verbal diarrhoea more like it
@suspicionofdeceit I didn’t see that one and I feel like I haven’t seen one in a while. I need to check my subscription settings and regular settings.
I post every week :D I hope the algorithm doesn't hide me from you! Thanks for the kind words.
@@MictheVegan I think it might have been. I will work on that.
I love how they feed people in hospitals what put them there in the first place.
You need a society full of sick people to keep selling "cures" and keeping those medical bills high. Money talks, baby!
That's not quite how it works.
Hospitals are profit-driven businesses. And people demand the kind of food they're used to eating. If a hospital were to try to make people eat better food, patients will throw a fit, leave a bad review, and seek hospitals that serve junk food. Plus highly processed crap also keeps much longer while staying palatable, so the hospital gets to save money on top of that.
America's problem with its dietary habits is a many-headed hydra, and profits feed into it, but there's no real conspiracy so much as a bad confluence of interests.
Last time I was in the hospital I was put on a low fat, low sugar, low salt diet. Even so I thought the food choices were good and I liked it. If hospitals are feeding you bad food it's time to pick another hospital.
CORRUPTED MEDIAS NUMBER ONE ISSUE,, bayers animal agg sickcare pharma
@@luke_fabis But healthy food should at least be a a damn option!!! I was diabetic years ago but have successfully controlled my blood sugar with a whole food plant based diet for many years. Unfortunately I was hospitalized after an accident, and after just one week of hospital "food", they were trying to give me insulin! Needless to say I threw a major fit, but at least I was finally presented with a few healthy options!
@@luke_fabis You just said what he said. And I would agree it is a conspiracy -- a conspiracy of board members to make money by knowingly serving unhealthy disease-causing food.. At a hospital. Ironic, no?
My cholesterol dropped to below normal when I went off dairy ( I was allergic and it was triggering asthma attacks). I didn’t go vegan for another year.
Me too
That’s the same heart association that recommend using crisco in the 50’s and then blaming heart attacks on saturated fat😂
bingo! It totally feel likes Keto being put at dead last was an automic default they all mindnumbingly agreed on lol. Mic says he's happy to hear that but suddenly objects to the study when the results about being vegan he wanted aren't quite what he wanted ; )
If I am at a restaurant and the waiter laughs at me for asking about a side of beans I am not going to be eating many calories there. Restaurants is a totally ridiculous category. I eat at restaurants for social reasons and not for nutrition or convenience. I bring a lunch or snack everywhere I go and have outings with similar minded people. To be sure many vegan diets are not all that nutritious or healthy. It’s a lot of work shopping planning meals, soaking and boiling beans, baking tofu, chopping + roasting veggies and making quinoa and rice. I have a system but still it is a chore that I do rocking out in my kitchen. Mike do not take this article all that seriously even though to many mainstream eyeballs will see it and come to the false conclusion that Ovo / lac category is better for you. You include much more rigor into your analysis on a weekly basis then these people would do in a lifetime.
A vegan diet doesn't automatically mean a healthy diet.
It just means that there are no animal products in there.
But you can still eat artificial, highly processed vegan junk food and it will still be considered a vegan diet.
Concerning health the nutritionists prefer to use the term WFPB diet ( whole food, plant based diet ), which doesn't have to be 100%ly vegan though.
But WFPB is still healthier than vegan junk food.
Which is definitely part of the flaw in the scoring system (though that could be translated as the high fat and low fat vegan categories)
@@OdinsSageBut by this logic the junk food high-fat vegan should score llwer. But the beef industry-paid organisation said that healthy, low fat vegan diet is supposed to be bad, but vegan burger diet was supposed to be good? What are they hoping that vegans would latch on the taste and idea of meat so they could get them back some day? Not gonna happen.
The AHA did not put their heart into the study that is the problem.
Their results meat my expectations to keep the sponsors happy (meat,dairy , egg industry).
They need to specify the type of vegan diet.
Whole food plant based with minimal processed foods and oils is what should be at the top,and no coconut or palm oil.
It seems pretty clear that the vegan diet and very low fat plant-based diet ranked as they did due to the perceived difficulty of adherence, which really is only a problem if you insist on, or for some reason are required to eat away from home at restaurants frequently, which should be discouraged, no matter what kind of diet one is following, For one’s own health.
For one's own wallet as well. It's much cheaper to eat at home.
Yeah, I'm healthy vegan since I don't know more than 7 years? I was before vegetarian for 10 years and I must admit that going out to eat is really a nightmare, so I can understand the low result of that study but it's a category that shouldn't count at all or not so much, eating at restaurant is basically unhealthy that's a fact... so having more shortcuts to your healthy diet is a good thing? That's odd.
«Liquid oils better than tropical oils, therefore not eating oil is a bad thing» seems to be their logic
I feel like studies about the "vegan diet" are so misleading. Eating fries every day technically follows a "vegan diet", but it sure is unhealthy. The way to go is Whole Food Plant Based.
"WFPB" should be the one studied and compared to the other diets.
These "guidelines" smack of industry funding. Sure, meat, fish and dairy....healthy protein, eh? Such nonsense.
I’m here for the crappy puns
I live for those puns! Lol
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So glad Mic that you attempted to demystify these "wackadoodle" results. Where would I be without your willingness to look over nonsense like this and call it out? Shame on the AHA for taking a non-scientific approach to the number one killer of Americans.
But not all in the professionals ignore the science, thank heaven. First thing my cardiologist told me is I needed to lose weight. When I asked about Keto, he gave me a firm NO. He said he wouldn't even discuss it. It was a cardio-vascular damaging diet he said. When I asked what he recommended he said Whole Food Plant Based (no oil). So I'm sure he is equally baffled by this recommendation.
Did you find it a tad ironic the AHA included adherence while eating out? Even a rock is aware that the increased dining out is a factor for increased heart disease in America. No diet should get good marks when salt, fat, and sugar are the trifecta enticements used heavily by most restaurants. A complete AHA cop out. (Do they take money from McDonald's too?)
The best diet recommendation is the one where you live the longest and healthiest, as backed by science. Full stop. Deviation from that is, as my cardiologist said, compromises you are willing to take that shorten your life.
I wish my father had a cardiac doctor like yours. He might still be alive if so. Instead, he was given the typical , "moderation" advice along with pills and surgeries.
It wasn't until he was in his last weeks of life that he said to me that he wished he'd listened to me about the "diet thing', as he called it. This was after years of declining health buoyed by his own stubbornness and the standard of care treatment by his cardiologist and other health professionals.
Yeah I guess I'm still mad about that six years later.
Guilty.
@@InTheSkyGirl I'm so sorry for your loss. Hurts worse when it feels like it was preventable, I'm sure.
My brother also has heart disease possibly related to his Type 1 Diabetes. After performing a triple bypass, his cardiologist also gave very middle of the road dietary advice. Egads. What does it take to get them serious?. My brother is now plant based and although he still has chronic health issues, he comes up with perfect blood tests for dialysis every month. They don't hear him when he says he's now plant based. They say, "Well, whatever it is you are doing keep doing it." D'uh. Seems like if they don't know what plant based is they'd WANT to know, right? But no.
We have to educate ourselves. And thanks to science-based folks like Mic it's a tad easier.
@@dagmoon Absolutely. You and your brother deserve serious props for taking your doc's advice (in your case) and not listening to the doc's advice (in your brother's). You are right. We have to go with the evidence and make those dietary changes. Most people I encounter are just unwilling to hear it. Or, they'll have a salad for lunch and expect that to effectively counter the rest of the day's (or week's!) meals. Like magic or something. Magic salad!
The doctors have a real advantage here and it is frustrating that with all of that influence, they are just as ill-informed as their patients with regards to diet. I've had people tell me their doc told them to go on a Keto diet to lose weight. All that seems to translate into is "eat more meat" and their health doesn't improve, even if they initially lose weight.
Hey thanks for the condolences. My mom and siblings are following in my dad's footsteps unfortunately and have the pills and procedures to show for it. I hope you and your brother continue to see health improvements. Ultimately like you said, we have to educate ourselves. I think that is a responsibility few people want. It requires some work. That is a tough sell even when the science confirms time and again the benefits to health.
I'm not full vegan yet, just vegetarian but yet every doctor I've ever had has cautioned against it. The only one that approved my diet was my cardiologist. I had a stroke and he thought I needed a stent for heart blockage. He tried to find some blockage but there was none. Of course not-I'm a lactose intolerant vegetarian! Turns out I have a congenital anomaly. Heart doc said keep on eating vegetarian.
In my capacity as a dietitian, I don't EVER say "vegan diet." The best possible diet for human health is somewhere in between the Esselstyn Plant Perfect and a low fat version of Fuhrman's Nutritarian diet. Those are the two diets I recommend for heart health.
Veganism is a moral philosophy. Saying "vegan food" is like saying "Jewish food" instead of "kosher food".
What REALLY ticks me off is, as you said, "vegan" is NOT a diet, it is an ethical lifestyle excluding animal exploitation. WFPB however, is a well established dietary pattern, yet not one friggin' mention... besides the doctors associated with it???
you must be a noob. veganism is not a moral philosophy. veganism is primarily a lifestyle and a philosophy @@Barnaclebeard
Why not say whole foods pure vegetarian instead of plant based if you don't want to say whole foods vegan? The reason why no one says plant based for a diet of zero animal foods is because it doesn't sound like it means zero animal foods. T colin Campbell should have come up with a diffefent name.
@@dj-fe4ck Yea some people think plant based means mostly plants.
Head of US cardiologists" there are two sorts of doctors , vegans and those behind on their reading"
Great video by Mic , as always but that is it, in just one line. btw anyone know his name ?
Google says: Dr. Kim Williams, recent president of the American College of Cardiology. LOVE THAT QUOTE!
@@dagmoon thx
They didn't parse fat into saturated vs non (like omega3 PUFA and mono) which likely has a lot do with heart disease.
Thank you for your tremendous work, Mike
Important to remember that health professionals, with the exception of dietitians, get very very little training in nutrition. Some go above and beyond to educate themselves but most do not. Your doctor, nurse or pharmacist are not good sources for diet advice.
I’m in the medical field, so is my spouse and most of our family and friends as well. My friend who’s a registered dietitian is the only one any of us ask for nutrition advice
AHA needs to help their buddies sell statins and surgeries.
It's insane that the AMA is paid for by the beef and dairy industries. Massive conflict of interest. No wonder heart attack is #1 killer.
Excellent video. Always enjoy your precise and erudite analysis.
Of course. The mediterranean diet is still on the top. As expected.
Only that people often don't get what it was originally meant by this diet. A lot of veggies and not so much diary or meat.
There is also the equivalent of the mediterranean diet. The nordic diet. Often containg oatmeal and nuts.
Unfortunately for the American public, the American Heart Association takes money from the Beef Council (the American Cattlemens Beef Association) in exchange for allowing CheckMark labels to be placed on packages of beef. The AHA is not independent of industry; maybe it never was. Public health advice is tweaked to suit business interests, not to support better health for all.
Great analysis, Mike! I have to say that I’m not surprised by their ranking methodology. They are going off the general populations ability to adhere to the basic tenets of the diet. A vegan diet just isn’t going to score that well. It’s a complete paradigm shift in thinking about food, preparation, and nutrition. Once you add on top of that family compliance (esp. switching teens over), it is super easy for me to see why it was ranked in the middle. Frankly, I’m surprised it did that well. In time things will continue to shift more. Veganism will never be global once lab-grown meat becomes a thing in another few decades.
Vegan is not a diet! Such a broad range of what vegans eat.
Vegan is a diet because you have to consciously restrict what you eat.
Feels like everyone is out there drinking radiator coolant and they're like, "i know its bad for me BUT IT TASTES SO GOOD. I don't know how you can live just drinking plant fruit juice and water."
Yeah, hey, its super easy. You just make the food without the bad things. Wow.
WFPBD needs to be recognised as a separate diet to vegan diet. This would remove so much confusion and misrepresentation plaguing the nutrition sphere.
WfFPBD is what vegans eat otheriwse why do vegan athletes preach a WFPBF diet for 🤷🏻♂️
@@jeovanniperez3949 i know many and have seen countless vegans eat very unhealthy foods - deep-fried and with MSG and various harmful sweeteners like HFCS, also with artificial preservatives & colours & flavours - all the time!!!
@@jeovanniperez3949 you must be very young because you sound absolutely clueless and arrogant. I see vegans eating all kinds of processed junk all the time. Salt, oil, sugar, and far worse, ALL DAY.
@@kekethetoad if that’s there only diet than yeah they would fail but if it’s one’s in a while it really wouldn’t do anything
@@kekethetoad ones in a week or ones every other week I sometimes have unhealthy foods like the vegan junk food and it’s totally fine so as long it’s not your whole diet
I wonder if they understand what they are doing here, promoting unhealthier diets by ranking them higher, thereby making them more socially acceptable and desirable to the public who only reads headlines, thereby making them achieve a better rank, thereby making them more socially acceptable etc. etc.
Utterly self-defeating as a means to objectively guide us.
They know what they're doing
I just like to think of the whole food plant based diet as a mediteranian diet but with omega 3 supplements as a substitute to fish and well ofcourse oils as a substitute to meat fat and plant milks as a substitute to dairy (for it's calcium mostly).
So in my eyes, vegan diet should also be at the same ranking as mediteranian if done right.
Wait… Why did keto even make the list at all? I thought keto diets were supposed to be *short* term diets? Notice “carnivore” diets didn’t make the list at all, even though the proponents of *that* particular dietary type consistently try to push *that* as being good for a *long* term dietary pattern. 😯❓🤷🏻♀️❓😯
“… rank some rankings ..” I *love* this!! 😂💜💯💜😂
Try to eat organic almonds, pumpkin seeds, and jujubes (Chinese red dates, available dried) every day!
The DASH diet is by far the hardest one to follow without preparing your own food. In my opinion there is little difference between the first five with respect to cardiovascular health if tropical oils are avoided and non fat dairy is mandated.
Loved this very interesting video. Wished I could have given you a double thumbs up.Vegan diets will ;probably never get to number 1, people just don't want to give up their meat and dairy even when they know its not good for them). Thanks Mic.
Anyone with heart disease should avoid like the plague any recommendations from the AHA.
Would be great if We could find and publish a list of the financial contributors to the American Heart Association. I did that regarding the USDA and Dairy was a very large contributor.
the word vegan does not imply whole grains or healthy eating, since oreos and french fries are vegan. whole food plant based implies a healthy diet. many candies and junk foods are 'vegan', so this is why the word vegan alone means only the absences of animal products. this is why the result is as it is. margarine is vegan
Ridiculous study, especially giving the low fat vegans penalty points for not using any oil at all!
low-no fat vegan should be the last. death diet.
yeah really
IKR!!!
Americans eat 1/3 their food OUTSIDE THEIR HOME?!!
What what WHAT?!
Even pre-wholefoodplantbaseddiet, I ate out maybe two or three times a month!
@Homienope. Even working construction jobs. I ate my own sandwiches. I did for a short while eat occasionally at a subway. But even that was too expensive as a young man. I went back to sandwiches.
If you make a sandwich at home and eat it at your job, this is considered consuming calories outside the home. Same goes for that bottle of soda you bought in a convenience store on your way from work. It's not necessary restaurants.
@@homie3461 I didn't catch that. I've watched another vidoe of another cooking channel that also had the calories outside the home, and there it was explained that it's mostly those bags of chips you eat outside or whatever you'd get at a wending machine.
Eating a third of your food outside of the home 😮! I'm eating 1-2 meals a week outside of home!
"Dr" shawn baker and "dr" ken berrys mcdonalds beef patty diet would be the healthiest. They left it out on purpose to rig the study!
very lazy way to make a dumb claim like that one you just made
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@sergiorocha76 Obvious sarcasm should be obvious
@@miz4535 even I spotted the sarcasm 😂
I've been low fat vegan for nearly 30yrs. So adherence is great ;) I'm happy my total cholesterol level is 132mg/dl and my ldl is 54mg/dl at last test. Mt bmi is 21 and mt blood sugar HbA1c is 26mmol/mol(4.5% in US units- under 6 is normal from memory). I work a very physical job and am a cyclist too btw.
Omg “ALRIGHT NOW THIS IS WHERE IM GETTING FRUSTRATED😠” 😂😭
Asking the American Heart Association about diet is like asking a psychiatrist for yogic meditation advice.
hmm well the dash diet is good to reduce BP because it's low salt. The vegan diet doesn't specify the amount of salt in it. Perhaps if it was a low salt diet, they'd rank it higher? The Mediterranean diet is high in olive oil, which some say is heart healthy. And a pescatarian diet is high in omega threes, which is anti-inflammatory. Those all(low salt, the use of olive oil in recipes and high omega 3) could easily be added to a vegan diet.
They don't rank it higher because the meat dairy& egg industry doesn't want it.
@@vioheubach3112 could be yes however, the meat heavy diets all were last on the chart. So if there is any legitimacy on the higher ranked diets it's because of what I said... 1st is lower salt. 2nd lots of olive oil 3rd high in omega 3s...all which could be done on a vegan diet btw.
@@angelicearthling
But not the dairy and egg containing vegetarian diet, they have a good ranking and let's keep in mind that the dairy and egg industry is also part of the meat industry. The are ranking the meat heavy diets low, because everyone knows that meat is unhealthy, they cannot lie that obvious, if they would, people would lose their faith. They know exactly what they can do and where to make compromises.
@@vioheubach3112 yeah I'm just saying if there are any benefits to the top 3, I think it's because of the reasons I stated...not because they have animals products in them. But yeah the eggs and cheeses are bad of course. And yes your right dairy and eggs are part of the meat industry.
Yeah, I once saw a recipe on a “Get Healthy” pamphlet for Bacon Wrapped Shrimp, promoted by the American Heart Association
Hmpft 🤨
What diet is high in vegetable and protein and healthy fat (egg 3) That's the diet that I'm in.
Yes, vegetable first.
Mix between fresh salad and cooked vegetable mainly
Cruciferous
Im vegan and i scored quite well.
Another great analysis!
I switched from a Mediterranean Diet to vegan, the only difference is no dairy or meat. I use the same oils what the heck who says a vegan diet has Tropical oils.
I remember I read some place that vegan diet hit spot 2 for all cause mortality and pescatarian took the 1st spot. I'll look for it and post it here to see what it's quality was
Gotta join the chorus of people pointing out how absolutely preposterous it is to think that it’s easy to eat low sodium at a restaurant. Absurd.
This was a good breakdown of the criteria of the AHA's evaluations and the results. It's as though they said, but what if we require the plant-based diets, and _only_ the plant-based diets to reach an ideal for a perfect score, huh, team? Thanks for posting!
Mike, would you be interested in making a video for healthy vegan diet ideas for toddlers? I am seeing a lot of conflicting information and especially with a lot of dietary guides saying babies and toddlers should eat high fat diet including whole fat dairy it is quite confusing. I am currently feeding some animal products to my toddler but I was hoping if you knew any resources that is more vegan friendly. I am feeding nuts, seeds and avocado on days that I dont feed him animal products at this point. Much appreciated!!
The people that I know that do keto and low carb are actually addicted to sugar and binge on carbs between meals of meat. 😮 no bueno!
why would the vegan diet; a nutritional deficient diet by nature be ranked higher? the amount of delusion in this space is suffocating.
AHA is a bias Fed lobbyist!
Lab values do not lie.
The greatest increase to lifespan was seen in the 20-something age group. Males saw an average increase of 13 years and females almost 11 years. People in their 60s saw an increase of an average of 8 additional years by making the switch from a modern Western diet to the more-plant based diet.
Plant-Based Diets Are Associated With a Lower Risk of Incident Cardiovascular Disease, Cardiovascular Disease Mortality, and All-Cause Mortality in a General Population of Middle-Aged Adults
Hyunju Kim et al. J Am Heart Assoc. 2019.
Plants Protect Your Heart
Pioneering studies by Dean Ornish, MD, Caldwell Esselstyn Jr., MD, and others have shown that a low-fat, plant-based diet, combined with regular exercise and a healthy overall lifestyle, can prevent, delay, and even reverse heart disease and other cardiovascular events.
I still haven't got 1 vegan answers my only question to them, what plant food has the same or more nutrition for the same or less calories as an egg?
Just got blood test results back a few days ago and my LDL is at 47. Total cholesterol is 106. Vegan for a little over 3 years. And not even really trying that hard to be healthy lol i still often eat a bunch of junk food. Thanks for all you do Mic!
47 ?
If you go outside the US. You will find that home cooking is a lot more common. Ordering food online is also really easy.
Point 10 still applies, but it is nowhere near as bad.
No cardiologists have ever told their stent and bypass patient to eat more meat and eggs. None. They always say fruit vegetables grains and beans. They add “lean meats” or “fatty fish” because they know nobody is going to stop eating dead animals. But they wait until you have a major incident before they tell you to be basically vegan. AHA is complicated. Imma keep “high raw veganing”.
That bit about the "liquid plant oils" on the Very low fat diet was simply bizarre.
I can only speak for myself but I like variety in food and think that has a lot to do with me maintaining any diet. Makes sense to me that the middle ground diets did the best in the list. A theoretically great diet does the average person no good if they can't sustain it. I live in the US. I don't think you will ever convince the majority of the public to go all plants or all meat. Some kind of healthier middle ground has to be found.
I think it also takes into account a trend that we should be worried about and take seriously. Supermarkets, chain restaurants and take away are now targeting vegans as an income source to be tapped into. “A third of calories eaten outside the home”, yes maybe unfair, but add in how many of the calories consumed in the home are not WFPB and far from classed as healthy. The unfair bit is that vegan WFPB should be a separate category or the hazards of convenience living factored into the other diets too.
I thought that Keto and his daddy Paleo and his granddaddy Atkins were all living in cave somewhere.
Hello @MictheVegan! Im not vegan, but ive been watching ur videos and found them very insightful about the diet and ethics. Though, i was watching your herbivore vid and i was in a set of some contrary info. I found many other vegans who said we were frugivores, animals that eat a lot of fruit and vegetables, and occasionally some meat, but it wasn't a lot. These vegan blogs and videos suggested that we should still eat a plant-based diet, and that eating meat is a choice. If anyone else bothers to read this and possibly answer my question, i'd love it.❤
I've heard from the plant based doctors and cardiologists that getting LDL below 70 without meds if possible is recommended for people without heart disease (previous heart attacks or other events) and the graph shown here 10:48 is very telling. There is a 10% increase in the risk of atherosclerosis from 50 to 60 and 60 to 70 and 70-80. I'm at 76. I stick to my diet and avoiding testing but exercise is my biggest strategy. I don't do enough and it does lower both LDL and blood pressure to a degree, on average. It does work for me. Takes 6 weeks of regular exercise apparently.
Of course, if people don't do lifestyle changes then statins should be used as directed by a doctor when necessary. Very important and it helps: not nearly as much as correct lifestyle changes.
Being whole food-plant based LDL is in a good position but I still strive for the best in this area.
Severely weak job by the AHA (as expected), great job by Uncle Mikey though!
Why would WFKD - meaning whole food ketogenic diet - get a lower score for choosing minimally processed foods? It’s in the name!
I have to say though, if they say "vegan" diet then they might have a point, I know plenty of vegan friends that follow a terrible diet..."vegan whole food plant based diet" then it's a different story
Perhaps the score is because of vegans who don't eat whole foods, opting for processed vegan fare instead?
Eating out in BFE America as a vegan, especially a WFPBNO eater is, if not just impossible, then nearly so. If a place does have truly vegan (meaning no hidden butter and no cheese garnish) fare, it is ALWAYS cooked in oil.
Was the report and the ranking only on who does what? Are there missing the outcomes?
In which group the rate of heart diseases is higher /lower?
This ranking is beyond crazy…
I think a diet that excludes all grains: refined and whole, should (at the very least) be considered neutral not red. What are celiac and gluten intolerant people supposed to do? I add more vegetables like cauliflower, kale, carrots, peas and broccoli or seeds like quinoa to replace them. Grains should be a non-factor.
Are keto and low carb (like WFKD) being given low scores on oils when they use olive, avocado and macadamia oils? Not everyone is using lard and animal fats.
Funny thing about coconut oil. Just WRT taste, I like coconut (with the right foods), but don't care for the oil at all.
Most people including the AHA confuse Keto with atkins diet. Two different diets. Atkins is high red meat and multiple meals a day. Low veggies and low carbs. Keto is low carb high fat and intermittent fasting. Lots of good plant fiber and good fermented foods.
Ive been keto for many months. All my lipids, glucose, liver and heart all back in normal range. Weight lower. Cholesterol from 269 to 196.
If it works for you then go with it and be skeptical of AHA
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keto is not intermittent fasting. Keto is just low carb with fiver, fermented foods and healthy animal fats. My lipids, glucose and blood pressure all droped to optimal levels (total cholesterol 150, triglycerides 40 and ldl 100) after I switched from keto to a plant based diet (50-70g of fiber / day and around 300g of carbs) with meat and fish a few times a week
All fine and well but as someone deceived in the late 1990s into Atkins, 2003 I had dbl CABG and once one has a vein graft or a stent they will suffer extra for the rest of their life and NO diet or drug or combination will help them that much. I was eating an Esselstyn diet and then decided he was wrong on nuts and that made my lipid numbers even better but I still had a heart attack and am hurting. BEWARE PEOPLE.
I love eating vegan. But why is no one talking about how bad Dr. McDougall and his wife look! I myself don’t believe in eating lots of carbs as a diet. And he certainly doesn’t look like he is vibrant on it. Nor does his wife.
The AHA lacks credibility to make dietary recommendations, period.
What results did you expect? The AHA was bought by big AG a long time ago!!
I did not read the paper myself but from your video I get the impression that they miss-represent the low fat vegan diet. Like it's based on whole foods but they give it a low ranking in this regard? The same with liquid oils. That is at least very strange.
The Olympics of mental gymnastics.
I'm definitely in the camp that simply avoiding all animal products will freaking NOT improve your health. So many things are taken for granted by many vegans that frankly don't help all vegans improve their health. No one told my nephew's wife about the need for iodine and she ended up having to have surgery. So many vegans told me if was fine to eat coconut products in vegan ice cream. That did not benefit my lipid profile. So many Freaking caveats that will kill when you say eating vegan is the Only Thing you need to think about. Having said that... am I a meat eater?
I haven't purposely eaten an animal product in five years. I now tell people I don't eat vegan, I eat whole food plant based and complete my diet based on supplementation because I'm sodium efficient, plus taking Vitamin D and B12. Eating vegan for health sake requires more than simply eating plants.
So far as the American Heart Association ranking. Yes, that is a misleading disappointment that fall short for helping many people improve their health. Likewise, so have many vegan presenters been equally as non comprehensive. Thank goodness for Ornish, Greger and others who are.
The whole food-plant based diet will be far more utilized if substantial dietary advice is allowed on medical insurance in terms of hours and frequency. It takes a mindset change and it takes support. Few will succeed without strong support.
7:04 Oops.