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Sh*t Show Podcast: Back to the Future: Part II & III (1989 & 1990)
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2020
- Making sequels to a pop culture classic is hard. Let’s talk about how difficult it was to make the Back to the Future sequels, from Universal forcing them to be made to the tense negotiations with Crispin Glover.
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In the entertainment world, there are millions of dollars on the line and troubled productions are bound to happen. And we are going to talk about these disastrous, never ending, and sometimes dangerous productions. From the creators of WTF Happened To This Movie?, It Was A Sh*t Show is a video essay/documentary/podcast series looking at some of your favorite films and tv shows, and why they were such a nightmare to make.
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Featured Footage:
Back to the Future (1985)
Back to the Future: Part II (1989)
Back to the Future: Part III (1990)
Eddie Izzard - Dress To Kill (1999)
Music:
Ryan Hudson - Sh*t Show Theme
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I remember reading years ago about a man in Hollywood who would give a standing ovation at the end of every movie he saw, no matter how bad it was. The reason being, that he knew how hard a movie was to make, and it was a miracle that any movie ever gets made.
Great point.
Even birdemic ??
@@harekrishnasahoo5737 Especially Birdemic. I'm sure there are movies made by a more self-aware person who looked at his footage and said, no way am I going to release it. James Nguyen went all the way through the whole process of making, and releasing this movie, and several more, while somehow making each movie worse as he goes along.
I do that often with national indie films/shorts I see in my country, I know how tough it is and would love for people to like mine too.
I didn’t care for the Doc/Clara love thing when I was a kid. As an adult, I think it’s appropriate. Doc was one half of the duo, and he had no personal story. I love that they gave him his own life past Marty’s weird friend.
This is so weird, thinking in retrospect I was always curious about her, I never felt she dragged the movie, I was like 8 or 9.
I loved the addition of Clara. It made the third movie deeper than just, “let’s get Doc back to the future”. It would have been a significantly flatter movie without Clara
I loved that part of the story ever since the first time I watched it. I was really invested on that love story, a lot more than Marty's great grandfather's scenes lol.
For the stunt woman that gets smashed into the wall during the hoverboard chase. She was a family friend of my dads for their entire life.
According to her, Apparently the crane operator wasn’t paying attention and swung her WAY TOO FAST towards the structure. If you look you see her SLAM into the building, and falls. In the next shot (taken from within the building) you actually see her land on her face. The injuries were the worst she suffered her entire career.
She later became Uma Thurman’s main stunt women for multiple decades. She retired in the early thousands.
Sadly though, in the last year, she was killed by her jealous ex husband. She is missed.
Thank you for sharing. I'm not even sure what to say about the end. That really is terrible to hear how her life was cut short. Really terrible.
@@Draliseth yeah, it’s crazy how life can turn out some times. After all that; that’s how it ended…
Are you talking about the woman who bounces off the court house pillar after they tried hitting Marty with the bat?
Back to the Future Part II is actually my favorite, because of the future part of the movie. I love how much of a relatively positive and colorful future it is. I've always had a strong dislike for the bleak dystopian futures the entertainment industry is obsessed with.
Part 2, while not my favorite of the three, does have a great atmosphere about it that I love very much. Part 1 cannot be topped in my mind, and Parts 2 and 3 are both very nearly as good, so I'm not at all disappointed with any of them. I'm truly happy that all 3 of them got made. A brilliant trilogy.
All of the iconic "future" stuff we remember BttF for came from II.
but the neighborhoods were so bad the cops said dont enter into a dark home, and the tranqs and Lobos!
My biggest criticism is that Marty and the Doc should have spent the majority of the movie in 2015, as there are so many possibilities of directions to go with it.
I heard that there were three reasons why the 2015 thing was so short.
1) to save costs 2) Time constraints, since they were filming 2 and 3 back-to-back and 3) Fox was still doing "Family Ties", so they used a lot of old footage, to give Fox some nights off.
@@dhenderson1810 i’m with you the future concept really made the movie. How are you gonna have a movie called back to the future that really doesn’t involve the future.😂
Fun tidbit lost in the Crispen Glover-isms was the BttF's use of a real Old West steam train, headed by Sierra Railroad #3. Built in 1891, #3 has starred in over 80 movies, TV shows, and documentaries. Some of her most notable roles range from the original Lone Ranger and Wild Wild West series, Little House on the Prairie, Petticoat Junction, the Casey Jones TV series, High Noon (1952), The Great Race (1966), The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again (1979), Pale Rider (1985), Unforgiven (1992), and many more. Basically, most anything shot in Southern California that needed an old-timey looking steam engine most likely turned to the Sierra Railroad and #3. So prolific was the locomotive's film career, she's earned the nickname "The Movie Star Locomotive".
For Back to the Future 3, #3 was repainted as Central Pacific #131 with a fake diamond smokestack covering her normal straight chimney and a load of firewood over the fuel oil tank, with a set of vintage wooden passenger coaches likewise dressed up. The original rear platform on the caboose was found to be too narrow to accommodate the stunt of Doc and Marty boarding the train from horseback, so a new platform was fabricated; this prop is still on display in the SRR's workshops. For the brief shot of stealing the locomotive and buffering up to the Delorian Christopher Lloyd actually learned how to drive #3 for real (add that to his list of skills; award willing actor, can drive a steam engine).
The climax sequence posed a few problems, chief among which was that #3 wasn't capable of reaching anywhere close to 88 mph; even flat out the locomotive would do well to crack 50. Not to mention the old girl was just shy of her 100th birthday, so special care had to be taken not to push too hard and cause damage. Nevertheless, the film crew and the Sierra Railroad staff pushed the old engine as hard as they dared, repeatedly running at up to 40+ mph during some shots. Higher speeds were achieved through camera trickery and the use of scale models. For the dramatic shot of the red pestolog blowing detonation charges and flame effects were placed inside the fake smokestack to blow it apart; said blown-up stack is also on display in the railroad's shops. Likewise, steam jets were rigged to simulate the popping rivets of a boiler pushed dangerously close to bursting.
And then there's the shot everyone remembers, the train flying off the end of the bridge into Clayton, er, Shonash, er, Eastwood Ravine. Of course there was no way the filmmakers would actually destroy a priceless relic, so an exact scale model of the set and #3 were constructed. The model locomotive was hooked to a cable pull system that was almost strong enough to pull the real train in order to get it to the scale equivalent of 88 mph in a relatively short distance. The effect shot went perfectly, with the model train being flung off the end of the bridge and crashing to the canyon floor almost perfectly convincingly, complete with miniature charges and white smoke effects to simulate the boiler exploding.
You can still see #3 in operation on the Sierra Railroad in Jamestown, California. Prior to the COVID pandemic, the railroad even held an annual Back to the Future 3 commemorative event featuring look-alikes of Doc, Marty, and Clara, a replica of the film's Delorian, and star of the show #3 hauling special excursion trains in a replica of her paint scheme and distinctive balloon smokestack from the film. Sadly, #3 has been pulled out of service for the 2022 season due to internal mechanical problems, but it is hoped that she will be repaired and back in steam by 2023.
And just to show I'm not solely a train freak, bonus props for the cameo appearance of rock band ZZ Top as the band for the town festival, even doing their signature guitar spin after the confrontation with Tannen. Continuing the tradition of Back to the Future films slipping in cameos by actual rock stars going back to Huey Lewis as one of the Battle of the Band judges in the first film and rejecting Marty for playing his own song.
Thanks for the history lesson. I’m forwarding to my steam locomotive buddy.
Thank you for this!!!
super interesting, thank you.
Nerd
I know at least one person who would a get a massive kick out of reading all of this.
No shame in bein a train freak.
Perhaps an underrated opinion, but I LOVE Back to the future part 2 so much. At least just as much as part 1.
I worked with Crispen Glover. (actually twice, in two different capacities) The man is certifiably nuts. I do not claim that his problems on the BTTF set are false, but I COMPLETELY claim that he's just too screwy for people to want to work with him a second time. For everything that makes it to the screen, there are 19 things where you gotta ask "What the--? What? I mean, Whaaa?"
Fascinating! What projects, if I may ask?
@@ItWasAShtShow Gotta be cagey, but one was Willard
marty was getting paid to clean doc's apartment. as a kid he broke in cause at school the kids said doc was weird. according to the backstory the writers said. when he was busted doc recognized him from the past and hired him.
I just watched an old Letterman clip and Glover was crazy over the top.
Fun Fact: Crispin Glover's middle name is Hellion. You know the word which means "A disorderly, troublesome, rowdy, or mischievous person". Not his fault of course. His father, Bruce Glover, who played Mr Wint in the James Bond movie 'Diamonds are Forever' didn't like his own middle name (Herbert) and substituted Hellion for his middle name sometimes. He also formally gave it to Crispin as his middle name.
Anyone think it's a little ironic that Glover complained about the supposed "money equals happiness" thing from the first movie... then demands more money to be in the second? Irony or hypocrisy; you decide.
Kinda tragic. It shows that he probably knew better at some point but had a negative character arc as a person, exactly like a villain from a movie.
Knowing your worth is different then Money equals happiness imo
I think it's more like, necessity
@@pizzapizza4550 The problem with that read is that he vastly overestimated his own worth, if the figures that have been shared publicly are accurate, especially since his character(s) were never going to have roles anywhere near as prominent as Fox's in any good version of the sequels. It can be reasonably assumed that ultimately he wouldn't have been in them that much more than Lea Thompson was, after all.
@@pizzapizza4550 hmm I dunno. if you think you're worth more but dont believe money will bring you happiness, then whats the point of assigning your worth to financial compensation? I mean unless he was gonna give it to charity or something. I think he just simply wanted more money and is wacky enough to pass that off. he apparently had a lot of problems with zebecks before he knew the ending. he probably bonded with Stolz in the early days and was permanent bummed
I love how at the beginning you were like "THere are stories about people breaking into film studios.." and I was like "Yeah, Eddie Izzard", then you immediately posted the Eddie Izzard clip... I just found your channel and I'm in love.
Yay! You’re in great company!
The whole 'Clara train rescue scene' at the end of BttF3 always puts me on the edge of my seat. Even though I know what's going to happen, it just always does that.
Yup! I just watched it the other day and every time I watch it, I find myself nervous-as if it’s not my 539th time watching that scene! 😄
Zemeckis when questioned about why Marty and Doc were friends said that it was normal for kids to be intrigued by the quirky, inventor type guy down the street. They shared an interest in mechanics and building things, so it makes sense. I totally buy that, as kids we were intrigued by anything different, and an inventor on your street is exciting. There was a guy round the corner from me who was a retired science teacher and kids would go round and he'd talk to them and show them things he'd built. Parents weren't suspicious at all. I was friends with an elderly lady who taught acting. It depends where you grow up I suppose, but some people are still trusting. And Marty was 17, he wasn't a kid.
I always saw it as Marty working for Doc Brown as his assistant like a part time job, he does seem old enough to have one.
I never thought it was unusual for Marty to be friends with Doc Brown. Maybe it's my generation but it wasn't unusual for kids to hang around adults who weren't there parents. When I was 8 years old I used to go watch my neighbor up the street build furniture in his garage. He was at least 30 years older than me. Eventually he invited me to go on jobs in the summer with him and his dad. I learned so much from just hanging around and watching adults. My neighborhood friends and I would go to construction sites and talk and joke around with the men. They would even ket us help by hammering some nails and cleaning up the site. I think it's ashame that my generation doesn't become friends and mentors to the young people. They would learn so much,, more than they could learn in school.
We lose so much by not having elders mentor kids. The irony being the largest amount of abusers are close family members. Obviously we need to teach children Red Flags, as my parents did, but this ghettoization of ages doesn't help anybody, in trying to prevent something that while horrible still only is carried by a minute amount of the population. Yet everyone is assumed guilty until proven innocent.
When I was 15 I used to go to my neighbours garage to watch him play with his motorbikes and hang out. He was at least 30 years older me but it was cool. Its just very different now as a some bad apples have made that we can't take the risk and wou,d wonder why. As a young guy in the Navy, some of my best friends were the 25 years older than me guys. I think it can be very cool and beneficial. I coach children's snooker with my son and other kids, and some of the kids that have grown up and are 18 now are my playing partners and great friends and I'm 40.
@@vxrdrummer it's healthy and helpful to you as a person to have friends of all ages. Its also what could be called a community.
I always just thought it was obvious that Marty needed an older father figure to look up to. His own dad certainly wasn't cutting it.
That's what's so sad too the changes social media has brought. They've divided usi nto these groups. My generation is called the boomers my youngest is a millennial and my 3 older kids are I think generation X. Who cares ultimately we're all people with a short amount of time on this earth to make an impact for good or evil. My son accidentally cut some gut off the other day and the guy flipped him off and called him an f 'in millennial. They want us to hate each other for reason of age, political belief, religion and so on.
Have you guys seen the early draft of BTTF 2 where Doc & Marty travel to 1967 instead of going back to 1955 to retrieve the almanac? Very different but interesting. Great podcast btw!
The Ultimate History book did mention all the different time periods they toyed with.
Thanks for listening!
Yeah, on the original DVD release in the bonus features, you can read a little bit of the script if you pause it. He sees his older brother Dave as a little boy for example, George is in college preparing to become a writer, and Doc hands Marty some beads, and he says something like, “I don’t care how fab they make me look, I’m not wearing these.”
I haven't, but apparently I would be completely interested because I tend to find bttf very captivating. Lol
Yeah Doc was going to be a hippie. I'd have liked to have seen that.
I remember in 2015, my local pizzeria was selling large pizzas for $7 for Back to the Future Day. Ran out of dough in a couple hours and started selling coupons for a large pizza on your next visit afterwards.
Fun Fact: I shot Tom Wilson’s Son’s Wedding a few years back.
The biggest disappointment of 2015: I was ready for Black & Decker to roll out its new countertop hydrator…..and nothing!!
For real tho I'm sick of heating pizzas in my oven like some 50s mom
Oh boy oh boy mom you sure can rehydrate a pizza.
Part II was always my favorite, each of the 3 acts were distinct and iconic. George McFly's death was a brilliant idea; he's the established heart of Part I, so his death and the mission to bring him back are so emotionally powerful.
This is a fabulous channel showing the behind the scenes production of favorite movies. I can see your channel growing faster the more people who find it. Great stuff and entertaining!
Disappointed this is just audio
I feel alone in preferring part 2 over part 3. Yes, the future stuff is super cheesy and they clearly want to get away from it as fast as they can, but considering they never intended to make sequels in the first place I feel that they handled it perfectly. Super silly future stuff, a terrifying alternate version of 1985, then the original “time heist” to steal back the almanac from young Biff. Also, that ending is too perfect, right down to the music sting when Marty comes running around the corner and down the street to confuse the heck out of Doc. “Great Scott!”
All that said, I appreciate the work and research put into this series! It’s super interesting to hear what went into making these films, and that despite studio higher ups forcing their hands the Bobs were able to create such a perfect trilogy. Well done!
Glad you’re enjoying it!
wait what? I Thought part 3 was the black sheep almost everybody I see prefers 2 over 3.
@@arthurpietrogarcia1057 I’ve heard it both ways honestly, but everyone is so confident in their answers about one being superior to the other. In the podcast episode, Ian, Rae, and Clint were all confidently saying that Part 2 is the odd man out in the series and I felt compelled to defend it 😅
Wait, really? Are we in the minority? I thought EVERYONE preferred 2 to 3! I mean, 3 has a place in my heart of course with its cowboy wackiness, but 2’s convoluted time heist story is definitely superior!
@@HerHollyness I think there is definitely a fondness for the future stuff because at the time it was so crazy. But rarely do people mention the big chunk of that movie, the revisiting of Part One. So to me, IMO, thats more nostalgia talking than quality. Part 3 may not be nearly as original but its better structured (which to be fair, is just Part 1 again. But hey, to each their own!
I'm really surprised Parts 2 & 3 barely made the Top 10 of the years they came out considering the popularity of the first movie. I remember being very hyped at the time for these two, and I'd say they made more of a lasting impact on pop culture than many on those Top 10 lists.
Ian-- "Guess what started the fire?"
Clint-- "Crispin Glover."
I literally had to stop the podcast I was laughing so hard. Well done! Excellent callback.
God, I love you guys!
Thank you so much! Glad you’re enjoying our nonsense.
I had always heard that the wild west was Michael J. Fox's idea. The Bobs asked him if he could time travel to any era what would it be, and he said the wild west, so that was how they came up with the setting for BTTF3.
Also, the reason that Fox was available for a lot of day shots, was because "Family Ties" had just finished up, and he then went directly to film BTTF3.
Fun fact: the DMC-12's speedometer doesn't even go up to 88 mph; the highest it indicates is 85. They had to alter the speedometer in the movie so it could even indicate 88.
It wasn't that good of a car and not especially powerful, though it had a unique look.
They actually took the standard small block V8 out of it and replaced it with a big block V8 out of a 1985 Corvette ZR1.
@@Hammerhead547 Renault 2.8l V6 was the standard engine. GM V8's were never installed from factory. The V8 noise was foley overdub.
The thing is that the car actually goes 110mph but I believe they just took the part from another car in production to make it cheaper
To clarifiy, the misunderstanding probably comes from the Lotus Esprit chassis the DeLorean was based on. The Esprit was designed to fit a V8, and later built with one superceding the V6 it began with. Advantageous for the DeLorean when it came to shoehorning Chevy crate motors in in later life, given it's the practically the same chassis. =]
When I heard about the first actress getting replaced because she was too tall, I mentioned how stupid that was, but my mom (who was in high school in the late seventies) went "Oh no, a high school girl would NEVER have dated a guy shorter than her back then." Must be one of those things you had to be there for.
Hahaha! So height-ist!
I also went to high school in the 70s, and honestly don't remember height being a big deal. But I'm thinking hard, and I don't remember any guy I knew (myself included) dating a taller girl....So your mom may in fact be correct. 🙂
1:05:05 I think the love story in part 3 is better than the one in the first movie. I really liked it.
For sure same. I think 3 is my favourite overall. I love the setting, how Marty basically navigates the old west using stuff he's borrowed from movies, and how they have to get even _more_ creative in finding a solution. And yeah, the romance is really cute. I even like the cheesy ending they give the doc and Clara and the idea of them travelling through time having adventures.
Overall it's really impressive how a series can make essentially the same movie three times and still have it feeling fresh by the end (and this from a time when sequels were notoriously often very bad).
Great podcast. I remember going to the video store all the time and asking for part 2 before it even came out because I was 8 years old and didn't understand cliffhangers either
We’re you watching the VHS version of the original that says To Be Concluded?
@@ItWasAShtShow I can't remember if it said continued or concluded
Crazy suggestion #235: considering the history of DeLorean motors, in Back to the Future IV, if it ever gets made, the flux capacitor will be installed in an Edsel.
I'm suprised yur channel isn't bigger like yur content, good production value 👏
I am beginning to think this is suppressed because Shitbis in the title
It’s the name. The word “Sh*t” in the title ruins the algorithm.
Closets we will ever get to Part 4 is the Telltale video game. I think the Bobs were involved in that too. Fun fact on the Delorian. In the game it’s stated when it was struck by lightning in 1955 that a duplicate was sent to 2025. Good game but I don’t think I consider it canon.
This was 1985, before gay marriage, when it was still criminal to be gay in the military (before DADT even). I suspect the roommate was a "roommate".
OMG, they were Roommates!
Someone turn back the clock.
We'll be back to those good old days eventually
Theory about why Marty and Doc are friends: Marty doesn't have a good home life and doesn't seem to have a good relationship with anyone in the house. Although he clearly wishes he did. And Doc's place is where cool things materialize. Like the giant guitar amplifier is probably Marty's idea executed by Doc.
One thing I PURELY agree on Zemeckis with, don’t make another sequel, BUT ESPECIALLY a re-make. It’s a miracle 2 & 3 did as well as they did. Look at the Matrix 1-3 and then look at Resurrections and tell me I’m wrong. LOL. Sadly, whoever has the film rights is salivating for the day Gale and Zemeckis die, that SAME DAY they’ll start work on a script. Back To The Future, The Godfather, Scarface, Citizen Kane, and Goodfellas should NEVER be re-made because the cast is what makes those movies.
It's crazy they were gonna do Scarface remake a few years back. It would have aged terribly in just a couple years. At first we'd all say it was actually good. Then years later we would all loathe the remake.
Just found your channel, surprised you don't have more subs!
Also they never made a fourth movie but they did make those Telltale games which continued from the third movie, those were pretty good.
Such a brilliant insight. Thank you so much for these videos and podcasts. Truly.
BTTF are incredibly special and sentimental movies to me. It’s meant the world to learn so much about them from you. ❤❤❤
You’re absolutely welcome!
Honestly, I would have loved to have seen a stereoscopic 3D conversion of the back to the Future trilogy. I feel like those movies would have had some fun 3D moments.
Regarding TV cliffhangers: my understanding is that, outside of soap operas (most notably Dallas) season-ending cliffhangers weren't all that common until Star Trek: The Next Generation did The Best Of Both Worlds, and that was so talked-about even outside of its usual, niche audience that the concept blew up everywhere.
Fox said that the scene just before he is hog tied and is running away, that that is the first time you can see the Parkinsons effecting him with the way he runs. It's such a cruel existence at times.
There's an article somewhere. For Back to the Future, the Game, they consulted with the Bobs on the story. They did say that this is what would most likely happen if BTTF 4 had been a thing.
39:43 I just went and checked the scene closely, and indeed you can see as Griff comes smashing through the front door, the stunt woman's body fall to the concrete behind him.
As for teens hanging out with old men, when I was 12 I hung out with an airplane mechanic. He became the father figure I'd never had. Naturally, now, I realize how lucky I was that he didn't turn out to be some super creep. But it happens.
I agree with 1>3>2 but at the same i view these as one movie. I saw the first on vhs and my mind was blown by the "to be continued" card. I get that TV does it all the time but I'd never seen a movie do it, especially so boldly. The other two I saw in theaters when they were released. BTTF is my favorite movie trilogy, even above Star Wars.
One thing is for sure. If the original film was name Spaceman from Pluto, this podcast would not exist.
I wonder if the "space man" was intentional like one of his demands was a baffling title while the others were more reasonable. So the cast was all for making the "reasonable" adjustments
So, if you play the video games (by tell tale games) that are sequels to part 3, I actually find it funny some of the references you can find. Like how Doc first found his true love of science after watching Frankenstein (tying into the original script idea of black marketing movies). Then in the final part when they accidently burn down old west hill valley and have to go back in time to prevent it.
Regards the ending of part II, one doesn't expect a tv-style cliffhanger at the end of any movie. Empire had a Coda/denouement that brought the tension level down to a satisfactory end while setting the stage for the next movie. Part II kept the energy level on high and abruptly just...stopped.
And we just went through so much as an audience.
So funny about Max! I’ve known Max Kleven since the late 70’s. I totally believe that story not only because the guy was incredibly lucky, but because Max [though I love the guy] was one of the most dangerous stunt coordinator/2nd unit Director.s I ever worked with. Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that he would take that kind of a risk.
Amazing! How do you know him?
I saw part 2 with a packed house. The audience booed the ending.
I remember not liking the ending but only because I didn't want it to end.
At least it gave us a trailer for the third right away unlike Empire Strikes Back lol
@@tylerwagner1978 they did actually. They booed at "TO BE CONCLUDED..." then they showed scenes from part 3. People still seemed pissed. Probably because the end of 2 didn't feel like a complete story.
@gridlo Audience were more way cruel in the 80s and 90s. Today most movies get an applause.
@@Maxxroad it's funny how a similar reaction can be felt today's too though, with people's reaction to Across Spiderverse ending
People loved "BTTF" because it is fun and doesn't push politics.
It is pure escapism.
I absolutely love Part 2! So clever going back to the first film and looking at it from a fresh angle! I love the end scene when 1950s Doc has sent Marty back (as in the original film) and the music has that beautiful end - that immediately goes back into full overdrive when non-past Marty runs back around the corner! So exciting! I love the future stuff, the dystopian 1985 version too "Mom! You've got so....BIG!!" So much went on yet I still just love the results! So yes, even though I love 3, 2 will always be closer to my heart!!
51:47 I wonder what he didn't like about it. I thought Weissman did a pretty good Glover impression. There's even a deleted scene where he gets the laugh right. In the 2015 dinner scene, George laughs exactly like 1985 George did in part 1.
Glover seems like a guy who can’t take a joke. So hearing someone do an impression just made him angry.
That “million dollar demand”…. Like, what if Gale and Glover are both being relatively honest, because Glover’s ex-agent asked for the million bucks, and Glover didn’t know that? Or what if it was floated by Glover as a hyperbole, and Gale took it seriously? It seems the truth usually lies in the middle.
Great podcast, but I strongly disagree about the opinions about the second movie. Back to the Future 2 is my absolutely favorite, simply because is the most creative movie of this trilogy. Some great concepts, like all the crazy stuff in the future, revisiting the first movie, the alternate 1985.... That movie is a rollercoaster of emotions and great moments and for a movie about time travel, this is the one where the characters travels most. The third movie is good, but is not that great, you don't have half of the great scenes and moments the second one have.
Hey, to each their own. Like I said, the entire section of them revisiting the first is an absolute blast.
Back to the Future 3 did get many sequels. Most of them are none canon. The Back to the Future ride is the official sequel.
At around 19:00, you say you don’t know anyone who doesn’t like Back to the Future…just take a look around some of the DeLorean Facebook groups. There’s plenty of people who hate the movies. It’s ridiculous.
And one more thing, a DeLorean can get to, and past, 88mph without any trouble. I know this because I own one.
Crispin Glover invented the "quarantine cut" LMFAO!!!
You are my favorite podcast! I need more!
Ok, I HAVE to clear this up! Y’all talk a little about the stunt gone wrong in BTTF2, and how the stuntwoman was injured. But you’re not sure whether the footage that made it into the film was of that incident. Luckily, I’ve read several interviews with the woman in question, and I’ve also looked into this very, very closely. According to multiple books on these movies, the footage we see in the film IS from the stunt gone wrong scene! They only filmed it once, and after she was injured they decided to use as much of the footage as they could and just gloss over the fact that she hits the pillar and misses the window🤯. If you look closely, you can see her hit the pillar and start down towards the ground before they cut to the inside view.
1, 3, 2. Perfect in that order.
Star Wars and Indiana Jones were made at Elstree Studios, Borehamwood, Hertfordshire, England. I met Harrison Ford in 1976 in a coffee bar opposite the studio without realising who he was. It was only when Star Wars came out in 1977 that I knew. Elstree Studios is known as the home of Star Wars and Indy. It has a fascinating history with hundreds of famous movies and cult 60s tv series being made there. As well as 2001 A Space Odyssey, A Clockwork Orange, The Shining, which I went on the set of, and Eyes Wide Shut. It still has the George Lucas sound stages there. Stanley Kubrick lived nearby on a big country estate in Hertfordshire.
" flock of seagulls hairdo " OMG that makes me feel so old lol
Melora Harding about her firing, in Page Six:
“The Office” star explains a few years prior to the “Back to The Future” casting, she was accepted to Joffrey Ballet’s summer scholarship program, but lost out on it the following year.
It wasn’t until years later that she found out the directive to fire her from “Back to The Future” came from two female executives who “felt that it emasculated their lead character to have a taller girlfriend.”
“I feel like it’s an interesting sign of the times that it was the female executives that felt like they had to be protecting the masculinity of their lead character that way,” Hardin adds.
a lot of teenagers can gain a lot of wisdom from talking with the older generation.Some people just want to impart wisdom they dont want to fuck you.Somebody always has to ruin it for everyone.
I just commented on that. I grew up with adults as friends and mentors. I learned to work early because of that. We interacted with all the adults in our neighborhood.
You do see the stuntwoman hit the ground. There's a shot at ground level looking out, and you see her hit for a split second. Fascinating story later on. She was in the news recently. She and her new husband ambushed her ex-husband at his home to murder him, but both ended up killed instead since the ex-husband was also armed.
Whoa! What! Please provide a link. That’s insane.
@@ItWasAShtShow yeah I heard that she died by gunshot wound
The characterization of Crispin Glover as a petty arsonist is hilarious haha.
Also, he isn't exactly right about Gale. Since BTTF III, he got his screenplay for Trespass made, wrote and directed Interstate 60, got story credit on the second Tales From The Crypt movie, and wrote and directed the first and only interactive theatrical film Mr. Payback (it's awful). He also created an unreleased Mortal Kombat knock-off game for DataEast called Tattoo Assassins (also awful). It's not a shining resume, but the assertion that he's done nothing is pretty false.
Glover did kind of predict the rise of AI and I'm glad he got his money, but it's very hard to root for a dude who just seems absolutely full of himself. He claims he's very anti-capitalist while living in a literal gothic castle. That's always bugged me in regards to his take on the ending of BTTF. I adore some of his performances, but he just strikes me as a dude who's parents never told him "no" to any of the weird ideas he had. His dad was also a Bond henchman and the titular space monster in a cheapo b-movie called Frankenstein Meets The Space Monster. Very, very strange family.
guess what happened to the town? it Burnt down.. guess what started the fire... Crispin glover! LOLOL
The reason Doc and Marty know each other is because Doc put an ad in the newspaper for a lab assistant. Marty was looking for a job and answered the ad. I am thinking Marty is getting paid to work for Doc.
back to the future part II topped part I
back in the day when I saw it in 1990, as a 12 year old, i was fascinated by their idea of the future and I was blown away by the intricate complex mixing of scenes from part 1 with the new scenes from part 2
the delivery of the letter blew my mind back then, best scene in the trilogy
The # Crispinglover keeps making me chuckle when I read it as Crisping Lover
The hair sniff then the scream! Lol I love that part
Crispin 'the hair sniffer' Glover. Not realising that its not the money thats making them happy, its that he's doing something he loves, which is writing his storys, that's making him happy. And Lorraine is happy because the man she loves is happy doing what he loves. The money is just a by-product of that and means nothing, shown in the sequel b the fact that even with a ton of money, Lorraine and Biff are defo not happy. The fact that Crispin couldn't see that, just showed he never understood the characters.
This is my third video and I’m already hooked!
Y'all...listening to this, it was like I was sitting there with you...this was great, thank you so much. I really enjoyed it.
Ah thank you! That's great to hear.
Can I just say one thing? I'm guessing you all are in California and I'm from the East Coast (the South)nd so often we think differently, and I acknowledge that, but there's something about the arts that erases some of those lines, and while I acknowledge we may think differently on so much, I LOVE that the arts can bridge us on many things. Thanks, guys. This was wonderful.
@@21joerice Its a wonderful thought... but were in Utah, so more like the puddle underneath that bridge. Haha!
In all seriousness, glad you feel that way!
"Well, you know. Out on the course, " is more memorable than any Crispin Glover line.
Everyone is being flippant about crispen glover in the comments calling him certifiable nuts, I watched a Documentary on Friday 13th part 4 the final chapter, they discussed mr Glover being eccentric and delightful.
I think a lot of people have been terribly corrupted by modern society and it's "sensibilities" with regard to iterpersonal relationships, specifically friendships and have become seemingly unable to take themselves out of their current views/viewoints and observe something from a far simpler, even more wholesome era and be capable of understanding that society wasn't as morally corrupt as it seems to have become.
I of course am specifically referencing the relationship between Marty and Doc Brown. It just struck me when you all were baffled as to how their friendship was even possible or began and couldn't help but subtly insinuate how "creepy" their relationship seems now.
But I think this says far more about today's culture than this pairs friendship. To clarify mentoring is something that can and does occur between people with generational age differences platonically and without any insinuation of deviant alterior motives. It has always been clear to me that Marty befriended Doc and likely due to interest in his unorthodox science and quirkiness became a sort of lab assistant helping Doc with his kooky experiments. I recognize Doc seeing Marty as someone with whom he could confide in and share his ideas with, imparting his knowledge to another generation but also becoming good friends in the process. I think the films very clearly illustrate these facts.
I understand that we can enjoy making humorous jibes at older works and point out how silly certain concepts appear to us in today's society and under that lense. But i think it's fair to say how rather sad it is that so much innocence and natural joy has truly been lost and sacrificed on the modern alter of supposed "progress", societally speaking.
We need far more innocence and joy these days. Just my 2 cents. And I by no means am condemning any of you for making the views you made, as a matter of fact I have enjoyed this segment very much. I just felt compelled to share my perspective.
Thank you for your time.
Teenager hanging out with a scientist? Sounds like Tony stark and Peter Parker
Great vid! I just realized while watching this, that Malora Hardin played Trudy on the show Monk after you mentioned she played Jan on The Office.
Climbing the stairs multiple steps at a time counts as a stunt to me.
I am a bit confused that it was Chrispin Glover's lawsuit that sparked these new laws to be made,... because Leonard Nimoy had already sued over use of his likeness (as Spock) without his permission a decade earlier.
Meanwhile, my 5'6" self has all sorts of a thing for Tall Women.
5:30 The movie is perfect which proves that we don't need those boring details. The big speaker was reason enough for me to see why Marty would think what Doc was doing was worth checking out.
George Lucas should have done what Gale and Zemeckis did, with not letting anyone ever make "Star Wars" stuff, without going through him.
Great show! I really enjoyed this :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very underrated channel!
C'mon now, there are only TWO fantastic _"Indiana Jones"_ movies... 1 & 3. Then also the other two that are arguably, minus the nostalgia, about as good or terrible as each other... just me?
You can defo see that stunt women fall flat onto the Concrete in the final film
I'm so happy it's a trilogy and then won't make any more. Somethings need to be left alone and Hollywood needs to come up with new and original ideas!
This was so Informative and entertaining 😍
I never liked Elizabeth Shue as Jennifer. They could have at least tried to get someone who looked similar to Claudia Wells. Either that or explain away the difference by Marty's going back in time changed things enough to where Jennifer had a different father or something, giving a reason why she was different.
Exactly! A couple of lines of exposition and a different Jennifer is no longer a goof or error or plot hole.
[While putting sleeping Jennifer in the alley] "Hey Doc, I hate to bring this up, but ummm, Jennifer doesn't quite look like how I remember her? You know, from before I went back in time."
"Well Marty, I did say that changing the past could have catastrophic consequences. Count yourself lucky she's still alive, and still your girlfriend!"
"You're the doc, Doc."
@@ElectroDFW Woah wait a minute Doc... are you tellin me that we re-randomized the sperm in Jennifer's dad's balls and the girl I love is replaced by a complete stranger?
Yeah That's not upsetting at all.. on with the movie
It would have been better to do the trilogy in a video
Agree to disagree.
Also, women care WAY more about being taller than men do.
The second one has always been my favorite!
I know that I will probably get backlash for this take, but when I watch the first film now
I think that Crispin Glover was the weakest link by far in that movie. Aside from his acting
in the diner scenes (when he isn't acting like an alien) he is just overacting and projecting
his real life creepiness to the extent that him getting with Lea Thompson just seems unbelievable.
It required a certain degree of seriousness, not ultra-goofiness and creepiness imo-- ironically, maybe Stoltz was actually made for *that* role.
Interesting. I do agree he is next level weird. But I think that makes him more of a character worth rooting for. I don’t know if that would be Stoltz.
Well, I'd agree with you, only I've seen the reality show where women argued over Flavor Flav and who's best suited to date him.
It's strange how some movies are bullet-proof to some generations, like I get that he's over the top, but I've considered this movie perfect ever since I was a child, I'm 37 now and I can recognize actual flaws but my suspension of disbelief is eternal for this movie.
@@carstereobandits I loved it since I first saw it in a theater when I was 7 in 1985. But obviously the Glover performance is just 😬 to me now. It's not IMPOSSIBLE to believe that a high schooler would behave in that manner. But it's impossible to believe that Lea Thompson/Lorraine, who was probably the most popular girl in her school was like, "the ultra-creepy dude who was spying on me as I undressed? Totally gonna get some lovin'."
Interesting perspective, but I think that just raises the dramatic stakes as we wonder how Marty is ever going to get them together again. The payoff when George knocks Biff out is all the more satisfying for the trouble it took.
I don't care about the _'critics'_ reviews anymore...BTTF II scores 85% with the audience at the time of writing.
At least going to the future gave them the extremely helpful hoverboard for things in the past.
That’s true. And used to great effect too. Come to think of it, it’s used in both endings.
Regarding Crispin Glover - they should have just got his permission to use the unused footage from BTTF 1 and his photo for the 1955 part and nothing else. All that fuss resulted in that upside down scene in 2015 and him standing on the front porch in the background at the end of the 3rd film. They should have just hired someone wearing dark glasses who looked a bit like him! Could have saved them the bad press and 750K! I totally understand why Crispin is bitter. He was difficult to work with, so they made it difficult for him to sign up to the sequels. It worked out for the best as Michael J Fox playing Seamus Mcfly is more entertaining than if Crispin had done it in my opinion. I think some of the special effects in the 2nd film still hold up today, the hoverboard chase at the end not so much! Regarding the girl who hits the pillar of the 2015 clocktower. To me it looks like a dummy hitting it, rather than the stuntwoman. That part spoils it for me, feel like they should have reshot it, but trying to shoot 2 films at once maybe meant that the quality control was not always there!
8:40 I'm not surprised that you mention that Christopher Lloyd was tired of being in movies at that point. It shows VERY MUCH in Clue that he didn't want to be there. He's so subdued and unhappy.
The idea of became a "King" in the future because "I stole a magazine and then I'll never lose a gamble" is still killing my enthusiasm with time travel. I liked part 2 less basically because of that.
41:38 Motion control camera was used earlier in David Cronenberg's "Dead Ringers".
Can't believe that women would say "She's too tall for him"? Both sexes have been scientifically shown to prefer a height difference between male and female partners (men preferring women shorter than them, and women preferring men taller than them) but the preference is (again shown scientifically) stronger in women than men, and the scale of the difference stronger in women than men. By which I mean that women not only more strongly prefer a partner taller than them, the bigger the difference the more satisfied they are. Men are more likely to be satisfied with even a small difference in height. I could absolutely see men being dissatisfied that Melora Hardin is 1" taller than Fox, but I can also see women being very dissatisfied and willing to be vocal about it too.
On a personal anecdote, my sister's friends in high school very very catty about tearing down other girls, and "she's too tall for him" was one that they threw around quite often about couple of sisters from the volleyball team who were dating boys who were about the same height as they were.
While I think the thing they did to Crispin is kind of scummy (although he sounds like he was being a bit of an ass), I don't think you could say the look of George McFly is the look of Crispin Glover. Crispin is synonymous with the character, yes. He was the first to bring it to life, yes. But he still had to have his look altered to play the part. Crispin Glover's look was altered to be George McFly. The look of George McFly was George McFly. The face mask thing was too far. It was scummy. I just think that saying Glover's look is George's just isn't right. It's not like he just walked in off the street and that was George McFly. They had to dress him up, change his hair, change his mannerisms, and so on. I WOULD argue almost that Michael J Fox is Marty McFly. Or maybe RDJ is Tony Stark, but IDK enough about either of these actors to say for 100% sure. It just seems these actors are basically just playing themselves. They are the characters. Crispin is playing a character, they are a character. Hopefully this all made sense.
I think it's an important move considering where AI is right now and the shit deal SAG took this year that doesn't cover nearly all the bases it needs to. I would not be surprised if I heard this case brought up when extras start seeing their faces in crowd scenes in movies they never did.