I was about 12 when I came home from school and dad told me he bought a John Deere, I ran as fast as I could to the machine shed to see the new 4020. The disappointment was extreme on my face when I saw one of these inside, I cussed that tractor every time I drove it until I left the farm. Thanks dad, now I know I spent hours in the field on something very few men have had the memories of doing
Your dad was smart. For tillage work, the 830 was a better choice. It pulled as much as the 4020 on less fuel and it cost less money. Don't get me wrong, the 4020 is a great tractor. I have one and love it.
@@danw6014 by the time the 4020 came out, the 830 was long gone. The 4010 replaced the 830, the 4020 replaced the 4010. How was he supposed to buy a new 830 instead of a new 4020?
Hey well if every body likes these I will post some of mine. I got it from a field. That it sat in since I was a kid. My dad and I restored it together. Heck for that I will post all of them we got a farmall super A, super H, H,C,M, super M, and for the john deere's we got a A, 40, R, 1928 D, 830,B, 720 propain. and a ford 9N.
@whb1965 Deere made their own pony motors including the 2 cylinder pony in the R diesel. Wisconson was never in the picture. I had a 70 D that gave me no trouble what so ever except the pony didn't like gas with ethanol.
You better rethink that. A friend of mine was in on the design of the R and Cat built the first bunch of donkey motors for the R. Some you could even see yellow paint on them in places that the dealers told potential buyers was primer. Deere farmed out the very expensive 2 banger donkeys then started making their own around late 1949. They came in to the assembly plant in boxes painted green. J. D. did not want anyone knowing where or who was making those donkey engines. You took the inspection plug out of the donkey flywheel, loosened the mag, and watched for the ign. Mark. They would run good on leaded gas. The carbs were nothing more that venturi velocity increasers. And they are almost impossible to find now. A guy in Danville, IL knows a bunch about R diesels. They used to have 2 when he was very young.
Pull the starter handle then the decompressor let go of the decmpressor once the pony engine is engageg the flywheel andturning the diesel away we go bang bang bang shake shake shake what a wonderfull old beast loved them They don't build them like use to .Oh don't forget to shut off the pony once the diesel starts
The cranking engine should turn the diesel engine over until oil pressure registers on the gauge, before letting go of the decompression lever and then advancing the throttle.
Holy pony motor! Did that thing survive! I'm an avid JD follower, but sadly just learned about the pony a while ago (I've got a 41 B that is years away from one of those). What type of motor is that? Sounds like it worked hard as hell? Cool video and thanks for posting. I guess I'll just keep cranking mine by hand!
Yeah, they had electric starters as well. It was recommended by John Deere that tractors in colder, Northern, climates be purchased with the pony motor start option. In warm weather the diesel engines of the '50s could be started with the electric starter, but in cold weather it was an advantage to have the pony motor turning the diesel engine over until it was able to start.
Yeah the electric was optional. The pony’s are always fun especially when they blow up. Personally I let my pony warm up for like 5 minutes before I try to start the main.
Deere used an isolated ground 12/24 volt system. Like it was 12 volt on one side of the tractor and 24 volt on the other. A effed up system. A friend of mine has converted them to 12 volt, or 24 volt depending on what the customer wants.
@@shannonburns6724 sort of. The starting and charging system were 24 volt and isolated from the tractor chassis. The auxiliary equipment was 12 volt and divided between the two batteries. Half of lights are actually negative ground. Problems occur when there is a short to the chassis in the starter or generator thus sending voltage though the chassis. You'll first notice the lights are brighter, and then there will be no lights at all.
@@danw6014, as I inducated, an effed up system from jump. Convert the whole pos system to 12 volt, get rid of all the junk, throw it in a pile and haul to scrap yard. Why do you think everyone got rid of series parallel circuits? Junk that never worked once it got someageon it. The electronics on most vehicles today works. Throw all that bullspit away, rewire to 12 neg grnd and forget it. Put a new denso alternator on it and starter neg ground and you have something. But not the spit it came out with.
@@shannonburns6724 well, because some people like to restore them back to original. Most people never understood how the system works and therefore couldn't figure out how to fix it when it gave them trouble. The system actually worked quite well if it was maintained, and the operator didn't crank the starter to the point of melting the insulation in the starter eventually shorting it out. I would however agree that converting it to 12v does make it easier to maintain and improves reliability especially if you use the tractor in question every day to run a feed cart to the milk cows like we did with a 3020 for many years.
+Johndeere 100 no it runs about 4000 - 5000rpm it's a 4 stroke so it sounds like one I believe this one is a 4 cylinder, some of them were two cylinder others were 4 cylinder.
It is a John Deere 2 cylinder liquid cooled engine with an oil bath air cleaner. It also has a rated 1125 rpm and an optional electric start pony motor. The electric start required 2 12 volt batteries and pony with 1 12 volt battery. It has an acclaimed 69.66 hp at the drawbar and 75.6 hp at the belt. It is also the biggest 2 cylinder made by John Deere and was one of the last in the final series of 2 cylinders. The official last was the John Deere 730.
Not really if you took care of them and kept old gas out of them. Put diesel in the little canister, and if you changed the points in the mag. Once you knew how to properly set them, it was easy and they ran good. A guy in Danville, IL rebuilds them. He likes to get them running. He made an oil pan to run them with.
I was about 12 when I came home from school and dad told me he bought a John Deere, I ran as fast as I could to the machine shed to see the new 4020. The disappointment was extreme on my face when I saw one of these inside, I cussed that tractor every time I drove it until I left the farm. Thanks dad, now I know I spent hours in the field on something very few men have had the memories of doing
what's wrong with a 4020?
Your dad was smart. For tillage work, the 830 was a better choice. It pulled as much as the 4020 on less fuel and it cost less money. Don't get me wrong, the 4020 is a great tractor. I have one and love it.
@@danw6014 by the time the 4020 came out, the 830 was long gone. The 4010 replaced the 830, the 4020 replaced the 4010. How was he supposed to buy a new 830 instead of a new 4020?
@@fedup3582 never said it was new, he just said a John Deere.
To this day,still the coolest tractor ever built !!!!!!!!820,830
i´ve seen a 830 on a vintage tractor meeting here in germany, it´s an amazing machine.
Hey well if every body likes these I will post some of mine.
I got it from a field. That it sat in since I was a kid. My dad and I restored it together. Heck for that I will post all of them we got a farmall super A, super H, H,C,M, super M, and for the john deere's we got a A, 40, R, 1928 D, 830,B, 720 propain. and a ford 9N.
BEAUTIFUL TRACTOR....MUSIC TO MY EARS!!!!
Didn’t matter how cold it was out, as long as you fuel wasn’t gelled, that little pony motor would get her going for sure!!..
That's why grandpa is deaf. lol. I drove one of these why I was a kid.
I've put in a few hours on the 830 ,back in the 60s.
It smells great too.
What country are you from that red tractor looks forgein
Its a Swedish tractor called Victor or BM230
That's the way to do it!!!
@whb1965 Deere made their own pony motors including the 2 cylinder pony in the R diesel. Wisconson was never in the picture. I had a 70 D that gave me no trouble what so ever except the pony didn't like gas with ethanol.
You better rethink that. A friend of mine was in on the design of the R and Cat built the first bunch of donkey motors for the R. Some you could even see yellow paint on them in places that the dealers told potential buyers was primer. Deere farmed out the very expensive 2 banger donkeys then started making their own around late 1949. They came in to the assembly plant in boxes painted green. J. D. did not want anyone knowing where or who was making those donkey engines. You took the inspection plug out of the donkey flywheel, loosened the mag, and watched for the ign. Mark. They would run good on leaded gas. The carbs were nothing more that venturi velocity increasers. And they are almost impossible to find now. A guy in Danville, IL knows a bunch about R diesels. They used to have 2 when he was very young.
nice vid. :) i want 1 soo bad..lol :)
Pull the starter handle then the decompressor let go of the decmpressor once the pony engine is engageg the flywheel andturning the diesel away we go bang bang bang shake shake shake what a wonderfull old beast loved them They don't build them like use to .Oh don't forget to shut off the pony once the diesel starts
The cranking engine should turn the diesel engine over until oil pressure registers on the gauge, before letting go of the decompression lever and then advancing the throttle.
Holy pony motor! Did that thing survive! I'm an avid JD follower, but sadly just learned about the pony a while ago (I've got a 41 B that is years away from one of those). What type of motor is that? Sounds like it worked hard as hell? Cool video and thanks for posting. I guess I'll just keep cranking mine by hand!
Little V4 IIRC.
sounds like a giant a giant Briggs and Stratton 16hp I/C, atleast it sounds kinda like mine
the pony motor is a small v-4, and is that it backfiring? our 830's pony motor never backfired.
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Does that red tractor to the right have a Detroit Diesel??
Not all of these tractors used pony motors to start them. Weren't they also available with an electric start?
Yeah, they had electric starters as well. It was recommended by John Deere that tractors in colder, Northern, climates be purchased with the pony motor start option. In warm weather the diesel engines of the '50s could be started with the electric starter, but in cold weather it was an advantage to have the pony motor turning the diesel engine over until it was able to start.
@@KOakaKOactually it was more of warming up the big engine with the exhaust from the donkey engine.
Sounds like the pony motor was working hard
Those things work really hard bud
Can you tell me what size of wheels and tires are on the front and back?
Try tractor data that’s got all the specs on most tractors of any brand. The front is a 7.50-18 and the rear is a big boy 15-34.
@NateRog the diesel are a lot of work and i like the gas tractors better they start faster what is the red tractor next to the 830? a super m?
never mind... gas starter engine right?... ours has an electric start... when it started i was confused as hell on what it was
Yeah the electric was optional. The pony’s are always fun especially when they blow up. Personally I let my pony warm up for like 5 minutes before I try to start the main.
Deere used an isolated ground 12/24 volt system. Like it was 12 volt on one side of the tractor and 24 volt on the other. A effed up system. A friend of mine has converted them to 12 volt, or 24 volt depending on what the customer wants.
@@shannonburns6724 sort of. The starting and charging system were 24 volt and isolated from the tractor chassis. The auxiliary equipment was 12 volt and divided between the two batteries. Half of lights are actually negative ground. Problems occur when there is a short to the chassis in the starter or generator thus sending voltage though the chassis. You'll first notice the lights are brighter, and then there will be no lights at all.
@@danw6014, as I inducated, an effed up system from jump. Convert the whole pos system to 12 volt, get rid of all the junk, throw it in a pile and haul to scrap yard. Why do you think everyone got rid of series parallel circuits? Junk that never worked once it got someageon it. The electronics on most vehicles today works. Throw all that bullspit away, rewire to 12 neg grnd and forget it. Put a new denso alternator on it and starter neg ground and you have something. But not the spit it came out with.
@@shannonburns6724 well, because some people like to restore them back to original. Most people never understood how the system works and therefore couldn't figure out how to fix it when it gave them trouble. The system actually worked quite well if it was maintained, and the operator didn't crank the starter to the point of melting the insulation in the starter eventually shorting it out. I would however agree that converting it to 12v does make it easier to maintain and improves reliability especially if you use the tractor in question every day to run a feed cart to the milk cows like we did with a 3020 for many years.
that doesnt sound like the standard 2cyl to me... what do you have in there?
In the main? The main sounds about right. The 830 was a big 2 cylinder and made a deep loud thumping. Trust me this is why I’m deaf.
@ernie27177 Sorry, i do not understand your comment. What language is that?
Is the pony motor a 2 cycle?
+Johndeere 100 no it runs about 4000 - 5000rpm it's a 4 stroke so it sounds like one I believe this one is a 4 cylinder, some of them were two cylinder others were 4 cylinder.
V4 4 stroke on an 80, 820, and 830.
@@jhomrich89 only the R had a two cylinder donkey engine.
It's a V4 four stroke but the two cylinders on each side fired at the same time.
@whb1965 thats why my friend has all gas 30's
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did anyone see the flame near 0:57-0:59?
That was just unburnt diesel where it was cranking over.
@ulric291: NO.
JD was way behind the competition with these dinasours
No they weren’t,
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The main engine? Nah that is a John Deere engine all the way bud.
It is a John Deere 2 cylinder liquid cooled engine with an oil bath air cleaner. It also has a rated 1125 rpm and an optional electric start pony motor. The electric start required 2 12 volt batteries and pony with 1 12 volt battery. It has an acclaimed 69.66 hp at the drawbar and 75.6 hp at the belt. It is also the biggest 2 cylinder made by John Deere and was one of the last in the final series of 2 cylinders. The official last was the John Deere 730.
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pony motors where such a pain in the ass... little two cylinder wisconsins i think but they where so hard to start and maintain..
Not really if you took care of them and kept old gas out of them. Put diesel in the little canister, and if you changed the points in the mag. Once you knew how to properly set them, it was easy and they ran good. A guy in Danville, IL rebuilds them. He likes to get them running. He made an oil pan to run them with.