The reason the ASA recorder that had the acetone treatment was louder because the bore was smoother. The vibrating air could bounce off the inside of the tube more easily.
I've printed a few ocarinas. I don't know for certain why it matters, but I have found that printing them at 100% infill, or at least 50% or more, strictly for the extra mass, does seem to improve their tone.
Resonance is going to be different based on thickness. Think of it in a similar way to how acoustics change depending on the room size and wall thickness.
Heavier material means more inertia, which means it absorbs less energy. Speakers are heavy for the same reason, though I think lately they've been using all kinds of acoustic analysis to compensate in software.
Note that traditional ocarinas are often made of clay that is baked in a kiln. Is it considered a "woodwind" instrument? I guess if a saxophone is. Saxophones are traditionally made of brass.
That depends entirely on the region you take your traditions from. Quite a few regional groups traditionally crafted the ocarina from wood or gourds, among other materials. As for the saxophone, crafting it from brass is more of a *contemporary* tradition than a historical one.
Very neat! I just recently started looking at some recorders. A few points. (1) You may want to calibrate hole sizes to hope for a recorder that's as close to in tune as possible straight off the printer. Provided the model is good, of course. (2) They can be tuned after printing by filing holes larger or filling with some material to make them smaller. It's hard! (3) The labium won't print sharp enough, and you want to sharpen it with a razor after printing. (4) Models I saw have a fipple that's too big and takes too much air. This will be even worse if scaled up. Designers please keep this small. (5) Professional 3D printed recorders from a company names Paetzold are on the market and are very distinctive and high quality. I presume there is a lot of finishing work done. (6) The Sopranino is a standard recorder size just smaller than Soprano. (7) Those two sizes can be bought at very reasonable prices, and there is a case that it makes more sense to buy these sizes manufactured. (8) The price goes up a lot with the Alto and Tenor, making 3D printing them a lot more attractive. But I don't know any good models for these sizes. Scaling gives poor results. (9) I even saw a larger Great Bass recorder where most of the large tube is PVC pipe, but the key mechanisms are 3D printed. Smart design. Quite a lot of directions to go and music to be enjoyed.
The smooth bore allows for better reflection / vibration, not the holes. The holes honestly don't matter that much. AND (the main thing) you've "thinned" the recorder, so it resonates better.
I lost it at the 7 nation army piece :D This is truly a great channel, I am getting a lot of enjoyment out of my Prusa Mini+ as well. All the best to you guys!
that plastic yamaha recorder sets a sky high standard, because it plays and sounds incredibly good, for a $10 instrument. you cant print anything this good on an FDM. (buts it's still fun to try, and ocarinas are a gold mine, of you can print, fint-tune, and play them.
I think a problem with 3D printed wind instruments is that they have the little lines inside you know? I think if you can put it through a smoothing process it would sound much better
If the PLA have the same mechanics properties than the PVC, yes, you can print wind musical instrument with it. After, i have a lot of xp with PVC instrument and i still prefer wooden instrument. The sound is really different. And i don't talk about a placebo, i really see a difference in the sound.
@@TheMikolasZuza OK, I will give it a shot. Last time it was not connected to the brim at all due to free space of compensation (PLA on the PEI sheet).
@@MartinWolker It totally depends on the first layer squish, so I totally understand where you're coming from. Maybe lowering EPC to 0.1 or 0.05 is the sweet spot with brim enabled.
Also noticed this, could be that they already snapped the print before recording the video, I would like to see the area of the ocarina where the supports where making contact, and see what settings did they use.
This was sliced with a different version of PrusaSlicer (2.4 internal build) that has some changes to support generation. Worked wonderfully for this model :) -Mikolas
I actually designed an ocarina to print but didn't have an FDM printer at the time, just SLA. I designed and printed a recorder but the fipple wasn't shaped quite right so it barely made any noise. I should work on it.
I don't know nothing about recorders, but I'm more familiar with ocarinas. And, well, the sound of the 3D printed ocarina was what I expected... ^^' Nice work, though! It's just that I guess it will take some time before 3D printers can make such wind instruments sound good. :)
"You have to hum, not blow into a kazoo to produce sound. It's a very common mistake to make when trying it for the first time" I can't help but wonder if that is a little nudge at Mori Calliope, who did this in front of tens of thousands of people watching her live stream and even tried to do the buzzing lips thing trumpet/trombone/tuba players do for over 2 minutes and even ordered another one thinking the previous 2 she had didn't work before chat suggested she hum into it and she had a "WTF" moment.
What setting did you have for the recorder ? I have a MK3S (MMU2S in single mode) and by using the 0.20 quality setting with brim an 10% infill the estimated time is around 5.5 hours.
Technically, it is a flute. But "flutes" are a whole family of instruments, most notably including the side-blown Western concert flute. So I thought it would be slightly misleading to call it that. -Mikolas
Hi, in addition to congratulating you for your precious videos, I wanted to ask you if by any chance you are aware of how to add the Elegoo Neptune 2 printer on cura, since by going to "add printer" the latter is not in the list .. .Thank you very much.
a 3D printed recoder cant hold up against the cheap yamaha one, shown at the start. (those are know to play incredibly well, for a $10 flute) printed ocarinas come very close to good storebought ones, though. but the most awesome printed instrument, i ever tried, is a pocket sax. they have a big, warm, and expessive sound, and are just increbly fun.
Holy Shite, now these are something I can print and have fun with. Most of my 3d stuff is decorative, not functional. Then I must tackle the 3d printed ukulele and violin I saw.
you can coat it in food safe resin, or laquer. might be able to do it with regular epoxy, probably would have a weird smell/taste though. with any coating, wait at least overnight for it to cure, though 24hr is recommended
If FFF is not food safe, then 3D printing this instrument that goes in the mouth is also not safe. The bacteria will grow between the layer lines. Unless you post process it.
Different but similar instruments with different sound profiles. I couldn't tell you why they named it a recorder, but you'll be disappointed if you try to use the same fingerings as a standardized flute.
Remember folks: got a young-ish niece or nephew who is old enough not to eat the print? Great gift! Parents will love the noise these make!
This is the revenge we deserve for being forced to play an instrument none of us liked at a time when none of us could play it.
@@GoingtoHecq I bet the people who forced you to play it also had to play it as kids. And so the cycle continues…
i will print one for my older sister. She is 54 🤣
especially the kazoo :D
I'm 16 and still not old enough not to eat the failed prints smh
(2:20) "... otherwise the recorder will sound terrible" [cue Mandalorian theme song].
That was fantastic.
Just lacks percussion
Prusa research; we make world class printer.
Also prusa research; kazoo time
Hold my lama, it's kazoo time!
The reason the ASA recorder that had the acetone treatment was louder because the bore was smoother. The vibrating air could bounce off the inside of the tube more easily.
I've printed a few ocarinas. I don't know for certain why it matters, but I have found that printing them at 100% infill, or at least 50% or more, strictly for the extra mass, does seem to improve their tone.
Resonance is going to be different based on thickness. Think of it in a similar way to how acoustics change depending on the room size and wall thickness.
Heavier material means more inertia, which means it absorbs less energy. Speakers are heavy for the same reason, though I think lately they've been using all kinds of acoustic analysis to compensate in software.
8:10 - Freaking Jožin z Bažin :D Didn't expect that
Jožin from a swamp: czcams.com/video/FuOhQZP821o/video.html
Everyone: Prusa is a man who manufactures amazing 3d printers
Procedes to play 7 nation army on a 3d printed kazoo. Bravo
Note that traditional ocarinas are often made of clay that is baked in a kiln. Is it considered a "woodwind" instrument? I guess if a saxophone is. Saxophones are traditionally made of brass.
That depends entirely on the region you take your traditions from. Quite a few regional groups traditionally crafted the ocarina from wood or gourds, among other materials. As for the saxophone, crafting it from brass is more of a *contemporary* tradition than a historical one.
It's so funny how you have to lift your middle finger on the "ending" notes of the Smoke on the Watter tune 🤣
Of course. It's a rock song :)
Very neat! I just recently started looking at some recorders. A few points. (1) You may want to calibrate hole sizes to hope for a recorder that's as close to in tune as possible straight off the printer. Provided the model is good, of course. (2) They can be tuned after printing by filing holes larger or filling with some material to make them smaller. It's hard! (3) The labium won't print sharp enough, and you want to sharpen it with a razor after printing. (4) Models I saw have a fipple that's too big and takes too much air. This will be even worse if scaled up. Designers please keep this small. (5) Professional 3D printed recorders from a company names Paetzold are on the market and are very distinctive and high quality. I presume there is a lot of finishing work done. (6) The Sopranino is a standard recorder size just smaller than Soprano. (7) Those two sizes can be bought at very reasonable prices, and there is a case that it makes more sense to buy these sizes manufactured. (8) The price goes up a lot with the Alto and Tenor, making 3D printing them a lot more attractive. But I don't know any good models for these sizes. Scaling gives poor results. (9) I even saw a larger Great Bass recorder where most of the large tube is PVC pipe, but the key mechanisms are 3D printed. Smart design. Quite a lot of directions to go and music to be enjoyed.
i want to add that for the tuning it is not uncommon to pull specific parts of woodwind instruments out a little bit to tune them.
The smooth bore allows for better reflection / vibration, not the holes. The holes honestly don't matter that much. AND (the main thing) you've "thinned" the recorder, so it resonates better.
A recorder was my inspiration to 3d printing!
I lost it at the 7 nation army piece :D
This is truly a great channel, I am getting a lot of enjoyment out of my Prusa Mini+ as well. All the best to you guys!
I'm so excited my ocarina is printing rn and its looking really good. It's supposed to be one of the best designs
Thanks a lot for the Ocarina idea..I am having a great playing the 3d printed one
that plastic yamaha recorder sets a sky high standard, because it plays and sounds incredibly good, for a $10 instrument. you cant print anything this good on an FDM.
(buts it's still fun to try, and ocarinas are a gold mine, of you can print, fint-tune, and play them.
That Vader recorder is amazing
Kevlar tape is probably the best tape to tight something like this, it sounds fancy but is used in pluming all the time.
You mean Teflon tape.
@@truantray yes i do got them mixed up, been using the other stuff lately 🤦♂️
I tried the Kazoo and the Ocarina, sounds perfect
Awesome! Printing the Kazoo now.
for the ocarina, can you please tell what is the % of setting for "support"?
I think a problem with 3D printed wind instruments is that they have the little lines inside you know? I think if you can put it through a smoothing process it would sound much better
It's funny I'm on the verge of doing this already and you drop this video 😂
Vuvuzela next? :D
My co-workers already hate me after hearing me working on this article :D So I have to tread carefully now, no vuvuzela :D
@@TheMikolasZuza Awwww XD
I'm so glad 3D printing was not that widespread when those were a thing here xD
i have been playing with this design, my kids love it and give them away to their friends at school
If the PLA have the same mechanics properties than the PVC, yes, you can print wind musical instrument with it.
After, i have a lot of xp with PVC instrument and i still prefer wooden instrument. The sound is really different. And i don't talk about a placebo, i really see a difference in the sound.
Pokud vidíš zvuky, přestaň si zalévat kafe redbullem.....
@@baciluskus You know what i mean. Seriously.
01:33 And turn off elephant foot compensation when you use brim.
You don't have to, I actually really like to keep it turned on, makes removing it way easier and cleaner. But still sticks to the print just enough.
@@TheMikolasZuza OK, I will give it a shot. Last time it was not connected to the brim at all due to free space of compensation (PLA on the PEI sheet).
@@MartinWolker It totally depends on the first layer squish, so I totally understand where you're coming from. Maybe lowering EPC to 0.1 or 0.05 is the sweet spot with brim enabled.
06:20 How did the support come off so cleanly?? 😳
Also noticed this, could be that they already snapped the print before recording the video, I would like to see the area of the ocarina where the supports where making contact, and see what settings did they use.
This was sliced with a different version of PrusaSlicer (2.4 internal build) that has some changes to support generation. Worked wonderfully for this model :) -Mikolas
@@Prusa3D could you share where to download the beta of prusaslicer 2.4
I have a few ocarinas printed, they're pretty fun to play.
Any new info on a SL2, going to buy a xl version but need to know an aprox release date to know i should wait or move on :)
Sweet Josef, you just made me into printing a kazoo. This is not going where I wanted...
What a time to be alive
2:03 That's the song from the mandalorian!
I actually designed an ocarina to print but didn't have an FDM printer at the time, just SLA. I designed and printed a recorder but the fipple wasn't shaped quite right so it barely made any noise. I should work on it.
I don't know nothing about recorders, but I'm more familiar with ocarinas. And, well, the sound of the 3D printed ocarina was what I expected... ^^' Nice work, though! It's just that I guess it will take some time before 3D printers can make such wind instruments sound good. :)
if you wanted to tune the recorder better you could print the holes smaller and ream out the holes untill you get it perfect
i think you can use some type of metal for kazoo membrane
"You have to hum, not blow into a kazoo to produce sound. It's a very common mistake to make when trying it for the first time"
I can't help but wonder if that is a little nudge at Mori Calliope, who did this in front of tens of thousands of people watching her live stream and even tried to do the buzzing lips thing trumpet/trombone/tuba players do for over 2 minutes and even ordered another one thinking the previous 2 she had didn't work before chat suggested she hum into it and she had a "WTF" moment.
eheeee, man of culture
Does ASA printing work on the Mini? Or is the temperature to high for the PTFE in the hotend
It totally can print ASA :) -Mikolas
2:36 that's similar to clarinets, which use cork to do the same thing
WDYM it sounds terrible when the press-fit isn't perfect? It's the perfect Mandalorian sound!
I printed & painted that ocarina as a gift for a friend.
The biggest fun is that someone is getting payed for this. 100% pure jealousy from my side.
In this case, I'm the lucky one! :) (and my co-workers the unlucky ones having to listen to kazoo for a week :D)
2:07 the mandalorian theme song 😮
Try doing the 3d printed acoustic guitar by solstie
What setting did you have for the recorder ? I have a MK3S (MMU2S in single mode) and by using the 0.20 quality setting with brim an 10% infill the estimated time is around 5.5 hours.
I think you kazoos I had as a kid used wax paper for the membrane.
This is the way.
2:04 this is the way
what about using wood filaments on these wood winds?
0:23 the best notification sound
Does it make a significant sound different if you print it with a smaller diameter nozzle?
I was today years old when i learned that this is not a flute...
Technically, it is a flute. But "flutes" are a whole family of instruments, most notably including the side-blown Western concert flute. So I thought it would be slightly misleading to call it that. -Mikolas
I would print theese, but im running low on filament
The people who are thumbs-downing this need a kazoo now!
Can you make a saxofone?
I have an error in the gcode of the ocarina, i'm new in 3dprint so help will be apreciated.
Next up -Clarinet!
Hi, in addition to congratulating you for your precious videos, I wanted to ask you if by any chance you are aware of how to add the Elegoo Neptune 2 printer on cura, since by going to "add printer" the latter is not in the list .. .Thank you very much.
Thanks my family will love this
Hello, I would like to make a sucker. I have PrusaSlicer and the Artillery Sidewinter X1 3D printer. Can I do it or not?
a 3D printed recoder cant hold up against the cheap yamaha one, shown at the start. (those are know to play incredibly well, for a $10 flute)
printed ocarinas come very close to good storebought ones, though.
but the most awesome printed instrument, i ever tried, is a pocket sax. they have a big, warm, and expessive sound, and are just increbly fun.
Hey which pocket sax did you print? I'm interested!
I wonder if remelting can work as well as acetone smoothing
Hey Prusa! Printing a guitar body on the mk3s+, wish me luck!
Nice vid. A lot of good ideas to entertain kids.
Did i basicly just watch a 9min ad and enjoy it?!
Maybe I'm just dumb, but how did you get that sound out of yours. I printed the same 12 hole ocarina twice and can't get any sound out of it.
if you use pla can u use it beacuse pla isnt food safe
Can these be made on a resin printer?
I'll up the ante with a Vuvuzela. Be the most loved uncle/aunt. And the most hated brother/sister.
Ocarina? Kazoo?
Ahh, I see, you're a man of Nintendo aswell!
And I hear at 2:05 you know the way aswell!
Is this a clue as to the next design contest?
Great job 👏🏻
you can use vaseline to seal the joints :)
You absolute madman
Please, Please make a Bass Recorder !
Is it safe to use brass extruder head for this purpose?
Holy Shite, now these are something I can print and have fun with. Most of my 3d stuff is decorative, not functional. Then I must tackle the 3d printed ukulele and violin I saw.
Best ad ever!!!!
So cool
Good job 👏 👍🏼. I want to work in prusa.😎
6:02 Link's ocarina
but can you do a trumpet
does the kazooo need suports?
No, it doesn't :)
A video about a Kazoo and you didn’t mention the kazoo kid meme? 🙈
I'd like to 3d print a hammer dulcimer
So very awesome
My royal, blue pla came wet out of the box I'm sad
Next: Vuvuzela
comically large kazoo
Is it safe to put in your mount ?
I think so
PLA and PEGT is safe
It's not food safe, however if it's washed it shouldn't be (overly) toxic.
you can coat it in food safe resin, or laquer. might be able to do it with regular epoxy, probably would have a weird smell/taste though. with any coating, wait at least overnight for it to cure, though 24hr is recommended
stop the food safe nonsense... people SMOKE an EAT MCDONALDS. A super-tiny-bit of bacteria FROM YOUR OWN SALIVA wont hurt you
The worst noise only second to bag pipes
Love it
Why on earth would you print a recorder? 😳🤯
If FFF is not food safe, then 3D printing this instrument that goes in the mouth is also not safe.
The bacteria will grow between the layer lines. Unless you post process it.
Flute? A recorder? This doesn't make sense... what does it record?m
Different but similar instruments with different sound profiles. I couldn't tell you why they named it a recorder, but you'll be disappointed if you try to use the same fingerings as a standardized flute.
RIP my discord buddies.
Secondo me il 3 ragazzo va bene
(6:55) Smoke UNDERwater
Haha Badass! :p