FIRST LOOK: New Wireless Commodore Amiga Tank Mouse
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- AmigaBill takes an in-depth look at the brand new wireless Commodore Amiga Tank Mouse from Lukas Remis. Tank Mouse started as a Kickstarter and will be shipping to backers soon. AmigaBill caught up with Lukas at Amiga37 Germany and demos one of the first mice to come off the production line. AmigaBill shows all the features of Tank Mouse and how to use it with a real Commodore Amiga as well as with a modern computer.
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00:00 Intro
00:26 Overview
01:35 Unboxing
02:32 Hands On
02:54 Tank Mouse vs Original
03:30 Features
04:00 Using with Modern Computer
04:25 Using with Real Amiga
04:39 Rys MKii
05:29 Scroll Wheel
06:02 Conclusion
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a new GURU video? lets go!
Yeah, baby! We are back in the game MVG!!!
Very excited about mine arriving from the kickstarter, I’ve gone for a black one too
Nice moves RMC! Enjoy! Yeah I needed black to go with my awesome CD32 color 1200
WOW I can't wait!!! I ordered a 2 pack of white on day 1 or 2 of the Kickstarter. Then a month or two ago I added the $11 per mouse, so $22 to get DB6 wireless adaptors that had been a stretch goal add on but crickets, ect prices just went so high that we had to pay a little bit more if we wanted the DB9 adaptors.
Ah $11 per adapter is a good deal. They are in production now and Lotheric is making the firmware. The adapter should be ready early 2023 according to Lukas
@@TheGuruMeditation I agree and fine with the little bit extra. I just wonder if even though I was day 1 or 2 will I have to wait to get my 2 mice until the DB9 adaptors are ready to ship with them?
I was going to yell that it's an LED and not a laser, but today I learned there actually are laser mice. Wild.
Cool! Glad I didn't get yelled at, ha ha ;-)
I missed the kickstarter on this.. I will order at least 2 of them when they go on sale! Great review! Product looks fantastic!
Thanks so much! Yeah I love this mouse. I have been using it as my regular mouse with my laptop and real Amiga now
I almost bought one of these on the kickstarter but because it was british time I wasn't able to get in on it, so good to see it will be available.
Nice! Enjoy it!
Can't wait to get my white mouse I ordered. I plan on using it with my C128D and souped up A3K. After watching this, I might need to get a black one later for my CDTV. That would look sweet! Good to see you back on the Tubes, B.
It is great to be back and have great folks like you here AmigaLove xo Oh yeah, Using a black one with a CDTV will be boss! And of course a white one with your A1000
Awesome video Bill!!!
Thanks love XOXO
Also love the production on this video, nice choice of music and cuts.
Thank you so much Neil! I tried hard to make it a good quality video, so I really appreciate the comment!
So excited to receive my beige and black model :D :D
Whoo-hooo!
Stoked to hear it will be available for purchase! I plan to get both colors for my retro futurist setup! Great video and review!
Excellent! Enjoy and thanks for the kind words!
Awesome! This will be a great addition to my retro life. Most of my Amiga's are in a server rack to save space and I currently have them connected to a VGA/PS2 KVM but want to get them connected to my HDMI/USB KVM Switch. Yea it's all about space savings. Thanks for sharing!!!!!
Oh wow interesting setup. I certainly respect trying to save space. I live in NY and space is a premium!
Thanks Bill for the review and Lukas! IT looks amazing.. can't wait to get one for my A1000!
You are welcome! Thanks for the kind comment!
Welcome Back and Merry Christmas!
Thanks Shawn! Merry Christmas!
I want 1! I just visited the site and it says coming soon. Can't wait so cool!
Hopefully they will be available soon!
Wow I have to get one for my Amiga 1000 and 500. Thx for sharing.
Cheers! Thanks Flash!
I ordered one in black on the kickstarter, and plan on using it on my Checkmate A1500 Plus PC build
NICE! That will be a great combo. Enjoy!
Amiga and Atari have a bus mouse connection via the joystick port. So you need the right wireless receiver. If the signal doesn't go via the USB, the delay should be gone. Then you only need the driver for the mouse wheel on the Amiga. Everything else works even in the early startup menu.
Yes, I was using the Joystick port 0 with a USB adapter. Interesting point about the wireless dongle. You think that is what was causing the lag?
Brilliant video, hopefully you can get time to do once a week in future 😊😊
Thanks so much! Once a week is probably a bit too ambitious for me, especially since I do weekly live streams, but once a month is my goal. I will do short videos about Amiga37 that will start dropping more frequently though. Thanks so much for the kind words. It really means a lot and motivates me to make more videos.
Oh that looks great, I might just have to grab one myself.
It is a really nice piece of gear!
Cool i need a few of these .
They are really neat! I have to get a beige one as well
Gotta get two when it comes out!
They are great! I can't wait for the adapter too
I'd love one of these for my Amiga 500 shaped PC.
It would be perfect for that
Unreal - love it.
Thanks Joseph!
I was considering waiting for this one, but then I got the A500mini tank mouse which is cabled USB and for sale as a standlone item. As you said, the lag is a little bit of a let down of the wireless one. Anyway, awesome work by the developer. Thanks for the video, Bill.
Cheers Playa! That is a cool mouse too!
I also bought a TheA500mini tank mouse for my laptop.
Now, if someone sold replica Amiga (500/2000) keyboards for modern computers, that would be great.
@@Leofwine That would be cool! Check out Simulant.uk. They just released something like that
Actually I also bought A500Mini Mices. Butthe smaler size is noticable - I do not like it, it does not feel the same. I also have a real Tank Mouse converted to use an optical sensor on my A2000 - thats much nicer.
The wireless Tank Mouse seems to be the real deal - same size as the original one. The hidden scroll pad is a genius feature. I definitly will at least two of theese mices as soon they are available.
Does this work with Amiga Mini?
Can’t wait for mine
It is awesome Rolf!
@@TheGuruMeditation ordered a white one for my A1K, but should order a black one later for my CdTV
@@RetroPanic Oh yeah, dooo it!
Really cool! Want one!
The mouse is cool!
@@TheGuruMeditation Will get one when it's available, or perhaps wait until they release the usb to sub d connector :)
First I was like a mouse with no scroll button, until I saw it was there in stealth mode, this thing rocks, like the old thing and the future
Sneak attack! ha ha!
Just the name “tank mouse” is sensational.
Ha ha! Totally!
Bill, you look amazing! Hope all is well, my best to Anthony!
Aw, thanks Brad! I really appreciate that. I have been trying to take are of myself. I have to do my best to stay healthy as I get older
Oh, and Anthony is doing well, thanks!
Dont think I didnt catch that 1 out 6 aint bad comment Bill!!!! HAHAHA I happen to know darn well you love the Atari 800 XL and the C64. Cheeky dude you. Great video, mouse looks awesome. I just got the Amiga Mini and it had one of those USB tank mouses in it, I like it a lot. Found my OG one in the garage not long ago, I couldn't believe I still had it! Keep em coming man, always a great video. I'd love to hear the story about your necklace. Not only is it absolutely gorgeous, but it seems to be special and I thought it might have an awesome story behind it. Have a great week Bill!
Ahhh ha ha ha! Good ear Ren! I actually meant to say 2 out of 6 to keep it in Commodore world, but when I am sitting alone in my room in front of the camera, my brain wires get crossed and short out frequently. I also said Tank.mouse.com and I had to ADR Tank-Mouse.com SillyBilly
@@TheGuruMeditation LOL I expect I will make many more mistakes then that when the wife and I start making youtube videos soon. Haha. 3 out of 6, can we agree 3 out of 6? LOL love ya man
I have this mouse with dedicated adapter and there is no lag at all :)
Yes the dedicated adapter works great with no lag, but wasn't available at the time I made this video. Although I don't like the way you switch between modes my holding down the buttons. Sadly every time I try to go to the Amiga boot screen (which is often) it switches out of Amiga mode. This is very difficult to deal with so I sill use the Rys MKii
In some parallel universe we are all running shadow of the beast VR on a 5Ghz 68090 and Textcraft 10.0 is used in every office. .
Ha ha! Love it
I backed the kickstarter also. Both for a beige and black mouse. Going to be awesome getting them soon’ish. :)
Awesome! Hopefully they start shipping before the end of the year, but we will see. I know they are almost ready
Hi. You are calling one of the mice "beige" - are you referring to the buttons only or also the body. The mouse looks plain white on the pictures, which kills it complete for my, as I want the colour to be authentic grey/beige to the original Amiga. Can you chip in? How is it in real life?
Sooooo cool
Awesome right? I love it
Now we need an A1000 / A2000 style keyboard for PC/MAC
Totally!
Even I backed this!
Ha ha, nice moves!
nice! i was going to buy one right then and there, but the website still says coming soon
I know! I wish he was ready to sell. The mouse is cool and works with PiMiga!
Heh, AFAIK it works with the mouSTer adapter without any lags already in RF mode. If I remember correctly, Lukas wrote he'd tested it with the mouSTer.
Oh cool. I don't know the mouSTer. I will look into that, thanks. I will certainly get the Lotheric as well. I think it will be about $11
I heard about this wireless mouse but didn’t know the touchpad between the buttons. I’ll have to get a couple of them.
It is really cool! I love the touchpad
Product looks good. I think I will get one if any of my existing mice break. The original tank mouse that came with my amiga 500 had to be replaced with a contriver brand mouse as the left button broke. I am sure all those late night sessions playing lemmings and walker had nothing to do with it...
Ha ha! Yes, the left mouse button on one of my originals failed too. I THINK there may be someone who makes replacement switches for the OG Tank Mouse. I have to find that link again.
Awesome. Tempted to get one of these for travel use of my laptop, given it has bluetooth! Also, what's the song at 7:17?
Yeah, it works great on my laptop! The song is "Babies Don't Break" by f8
Gief!
Boom! AMMMIIIGGGGAAAAA!
BOOM!!! Yeah baby!
I pre-ordered four 😂
Ha ha! nice!
I wish they offered q Wired Version and it probably would cost less too. Great Product nonetheless! -Mark
cool👍
Thank you!
You say it is lighter than the original because of the ball, how much lighter? Could put some
Weight inside if it feels too floaty I guess! Like some others I also backed a black for my modern a1200 build and beige for the authentic a600. Looks awesome, can’t wait to receive them!
Humm, I would have to weigh it, but it is noticeably lighter, but not flimsy like that Amazon Basics mouse I have. The 2 AAA batteries give it a nice balance, while still keeping it lightweight
Very nice, thanks for sharing. But i checked homepage, nothing on it just ‘coming soon’. So no idea where i can order :(
It will be available after the Kickstarter is fulfilled. Hopefully sometime in January
@@TheGuruMeditation thank you, i will check later :)
Nice, swappable (NiMH) batteries!
Yep! And you can use rechargeable ones as well
@@TheGuruMeditation Exactly, no custom Li-On battery bs to die without replacement and have high self-discharge!
Just how does it work with scroll wheel, everything ive seen like this needs to use more than 1 port (eg mouse and joystick port), and the mouster i have seems like that ?
No, you only need 1 adapter in the mouse port for this or any USB mouse with a scroll wheel to work just like you see in the video. At lest with adapters like the Rys MKii or Lotherick. The joystick port is still available for a joystick.
Does the full-click on the "wheel" works as third mouse button?
No it does not
How well does this work with games that disable the OS? Would like to have seen that tested.
Good question. First, there will be no scroll pad unless you are able to add the app to the startup sequence. Also, the bit of lag will make action games a bit tricky due to the minor lag. But hopefully this is fixed with the new adapter
I was hoping that it will be working natevily with original Amiga, without need for product from other company. Other than that, it looks great.
Yeah that would be really cool, but I am not sure how you would do that. It is nice that it works with modern computers as well and the adapter isn't too much of an inconvenience.
@@TheGuruMeditation Either by having a usb - db9 cable that could be plugged to the mouse (easy way) or including the adaptor with it. Should be possible, as I was also tinkering a bit to see how we could have modern "tank mouse".
Anyways, Lukas did a great job, and I will probaly wait 'til that adapter for goes on sale to order one.
Any word on how to buy one in North America yet?
Has anyone tested this on the Vampire V4SA yet?
Good question, I am not sure
I converse old tank mouse to optical but now old mouse is near 20-30$
Ah yes. That is a popular conversion. Well done. Yes, the original hardware is getting more and more expensive. I bet your mouse with the laser upgrade would cost even more
Will this also in GEOS on a C64?
It will depends on if the firmware on the Lotheric adapter will support GEOS. It is TBD
as usual we talk about who have the biggest 😂 , my usb adaptor trumouse is the tiniest of THE WORLD ah ah 😂, seriously Rys MkII is neat and these mouse is a Goat 🐐 ! . i asking refund cause it’s not Amstrad compatible ! 😅😅 you Rocks baby 👌
Size doesn’t matter 😂🤣😂🤣 you rock Thai!
kaliteli yayın
Thank you!
I was like, well "I" would add a scroll sensor to add functionality and then you went on to say it had one. Hilarious. Not a fan of the battery solution but oh well.
Ha ha, nice! Apparently he was forced to use this battery solution because there is some restriction about shipping it with lithium batteries built into it. I know I have to personally carry on Lithium batteries every time I fly.
Are the buttons microswitches? The original wasn't.
Good question. They feel like microswitches to me, but I have to ask Lukas to be sure
I confirmed with Lukas that the buttons are indeed micro switches
i wanna buy , but where ??? anybody ???
49 euro? Ouch.
I really want to like this product but it’s native usb wireless dongle or Bluetooth. PC users won’t want to buy a 49 euro mouse that was engineered in the 80s (even with scroll feature) since a modern mouse is maybe $20.
Amiga users won’t buy because they need a dongle to convert usb to rs232 and there is some lag.
However I would buy it if there was a native Amiga version, even a corded one. My old Amiga mice with trackball are terrible after 30+ years. I’d also love a scroll area.
Yes, you can get a modern mouse for $20, but this is a niche product made by one person, so the price tends to be higher due to the much smaller market. But I know it is isn't for everyone and 49 Euro for a mouse may be too much for folks who are only mildly interested. I get it. This is really for hardcore Amiga fans. I would say it is already a big success just looking at the Kickstarter numbers which are very impressive
demn, i see this video to late i got Tank Mouse nad ryśmk2 and a loooot of lag!
Tikus from Lotharek was the solution of lag problem
Battery life sucks bad. I mentioned it to the creator and he told me to get rechargeables to remedy this. Simply put: this is a good looking novelty product. The vendor is not forthcoming about the battery life on his site and although he admits it over email, he doesn't seem to address this or let customers know.
This mouse WILL run out of batteries after about a week if you don't forget to turn it off. I suspect the sleep mode either doesn't exist or has a flaw.
I just remember to turn it off, but it's a bit annoying.
Their website is currently asking for a login, strange.
Yeah, he said he will make it live when he is ready to take new orders. Maybe I can suggest he has that message there instead of the login
@@TheGuruMeditation I already no longer get the login pop-up. They have a static page with the box art and a coming soon message.
@@CommodoreGreg Oh that is great news. Thanks for the head's up!
you are lucky, I did not receive the batteries with it :(
Battery life is awful too. Mine are gone in a few days if I don't forget to turn it off. I've tried multiple surfaces. No luck. Ordered rechargeable today. Creator is skirting around this fact and told me to try rechargebales.
How's your luck?
Why do you need to be 60 feet from your computer?
Well about 30ft for the bluetooth, and not sure about the range on the wi-fi dongle.
As there is an extra Adapter needed this mouse does NOT work with an Amiga directly.
That's correct. You need an adapter like I show in the video
oh no😢 Rubber feel - i hate that type. After a year or so it gets sticky and feels like crap 😢
Ah, then it may not be for you. Perhaps the beige one has a different texture. I am not sure
@@TheGuruMeditation its common with the rubbery texture coatings that they get first sticky and then later it starts to peel off.
Happens with anything from cheap to expensive, from ibm branded thinkpads to random android boxes.
Just put a laser replacement for your original amiga mouse. They exist for tank mouse or A1200 ones.
And no lag at all or dead batteries BS because still wired, and most probably cheaper too soooooo. 😄
So it isn't actually compatible with Amiga computers. I'm baffled. It needs a native Amiga receiver. Not an adapter.
Yeah technically it isn't natively an Amiga mouse. It is USB or bluetooth so you need a way to connect it to your Amiga, hence the adapter. The cool part about that is it will work with modern devices as well, so you can use it with a Raspberry Pi emulated system, MiSTer, PC, etc... as well as a real Amiga with an adapter. I do have a couple of modern gaming USB mice that don't work with Amiga/adapter for some reason, but this one will
The Adaper should be included in the Box then evervything would be OK.
@@rubberduck4966 Yeah, that would be perfect, but the adapter was a stretch goal based on the success of the Kickstarter
I’m not an unboxing guy. But when I’m advertising........
I used the box as a way to give an overview of the features because it summarizes them well
I can't keep up with all the new games and hardware, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic but.... $$$
Yeah, I want to buy everything, but I can’t. Great to have so many options though!
@@TheGuruMeditation
Definitely!! The Amiga has made a phenomenal come back, never thought I would see that time again so I can't complain ✊👍
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!
I ordered a 2 pack of white on day 1 or 2 of the Kickstarter!
You know it!!!
did you really test it ? didnt you notice how fucked up the scroll wheel Feature is ?
Cool that this kinda replica has been made, but I have to be honest and I don't miss tank mouse at all. Most horrible computer mouse I've personally ever used. The design itself is so bad and unergonomic (those edges omg) that I bought some 3rd party mouse for my Amiga instantly and gave away the tankmouse virtually unused when I traded my miggy away 🙂
Ah yes, then this won't be for you because it is really close to the original design
@@TheGuruMeditation Yeah I think so. But I fully understand the retro aspect and there's nothing wrong in wanting to have close as possible authentic feel.
Anyway, good review btw 👍
@@jothain Cheers! Thanks so much! I really appreciate the kind words!
Atari! Ruined! 🤣😉
Ha ha! I actually like Atari. I am just being a rascal
@@TheGuruMeditation Well, sure we now all are fine and like all old tech. No matter if we were HC Amiga, Atari, PC, etc. fans then. But had to write that just because old times. Haha.
@@youcrom Ha ha! Totally! It is fun
DON'T BUY THIS PRODUCT!!! FALSE ADVERTISING!!! The mouse drains the batteries within two weeks time and stops responding, even if its not used. So it's a big big big flaw to this project and false advertising saying the batteries last for 6 months. Maybe they do if you turn it off everytime you stop using it, but who does that. It costs me 100$ with shipping and VAT to learn this lesson. Now all I got for this money is a wireless to DB9 converter
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
I know!!! Right?