Is this the smallest full frame camera setup...ever?
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I'm in my mid-seventies and my everyday carry camera is a point-and-shoot Sony RX100 VII. When I was your age I lugged heavy and bulky DLSRs as my everyday carry. I never thought of carrying small cameras. Then, I guess I wanted to be prepared for those "right moments" with the right equipment.
Honestly, film SLRs up to the mid 80s were quite small...my Nikon FE with a 50mm lens is probably smaller and lighter than the Sony in this video. Ditto on the Canon A-1 I had in the 80s. Of course, they didn't shoot video and such, and they could get bulky with motor winders and zoom lenses on them, but it was quite possible back then to have a very svelte and capable rig.
@@porfiry I have both Canon A-1 (first camera to have Program, Manual, Speed and Aperture priority settings) and the pro F1n SLRs. My F1n had a motor drive and the A-1 a winder. Yep, a tad smaller but somewhat heavier than my Nikon D500 and D850 with battery packs I still carry on short trips. On long hauls, I leave my Nikons behind and simply lug a Sony RX100 VII.
You should consider the RX1RII for the fullframe look…😊
@@butchgo6130 Those RX100s are really nice, just a little hard to grip. I had the model II and then III back when they were new, and I got pretty amazing pictures out of them. Now when I want small, I just use my Ricoh GR IIIX.
@@porfiry Just like the pricey Sony RX1RII, Ricoh GR IIIX lacks an optical zoom - a must-have spec for my choice of small cameras. In my travels, I usually sit and take photos from cafes with good vantage points for street activity and picturesque locations. I know there are several point&shoots with zoom lens but Sony's RX100 series feels fine in my hand.
I completely understand that feeling of brining the spark back to photography when you carry one with you at all times - my Lumix GX800 and 40mm equivalent f1.7 lens is exactly what I need for this myself and once the images are processed in DXO even low light shots come out clean. Honestly I'd love an updated body but for now I am happy to enjoy what I have.
I'm using a Sigma fp adapted with a Voigtlander 40mm f1.4. It's a manual lens so mostly just zone focusing with the added benefit of being useful in low light places. Overall also a very small package.
My exact same setup. Lovely combination
Great video. I agree that a setup you bring with more often, will get used more often. I own a Sigma FP-L, which I believe is officially the smallest full frame. Many compact lens options, especially if you like shooting manual focus, but the auto focus lenses might not be as compact as the Sony. BTW, the FP-L is 60mp. I have had the camera over a year and I am still in love with it.
Yes Sir..
Dynamic range enough ?
It's good enough for me. @@Stop-All-War
“Proper camera” for “proper images”, ergonomics and controls make for more motivation. Nice.
when I finally got an fuji X100V I was like "OH these images look like the 35mm 2.8 Samyang on my sony". People are too hung up on what popular and overlook the most basic/easy options. That set-up you are using is actually BETTER image quality than the x100v and delivers really fine quality images in a really light package. FULL FRAME! Well done and enjoy! Thanks for the good work!
It's also $1000-$1500 more for this setup, so it better be 😂
I always take my FX3 with 16-35 PZ f.4 wherever I go. It's only 500g heavier than your setup.
Some might argue that's a lot of weight, but in reality it's equivalent to a small water bottle.
You don't really notice it when it's on your shoulder, but I really enjoy an option to zoom out to 16 mm.
Only 500g heavier? Bro my small rigs with Leica m glass and sigma FP are barely more than 500g by itself
"Document the Experience" is well said Mitch. My Sony Xperia 5 iv is my default camera and its lens is awesome for casual yet execellent astrophotography and day trips\hikes. For serious astrophoto, I always use my Fuji off course.
Looks like a great portable option. I think the Sony RX1R mk1 and mk2 are probably the smallest full frame cameras you can currently get, although the new price of £3,000 wasn't for the faint of heart (or wallet) ...
YUP!!!
loving my RX1R II
It sounds like an amazing combo.
My loved small prime combo was once the Canon EOS RP + RF 50 1.8, the RF 50 barely left the RP except when i did wildlife with RF 800 F11 or astrophotography on the telescope.
The Sigma fp is smaller for sure. Also no viewfinder.
The Canon RP with the new RF 28mm f2.8 pancake lens is probably equally small in overall volume, it's probably less heavy too. And it has a viewfinder.
thanks for sharing ill try this set up
Seems like a great full frame alternative to the x100 series with the ability to change lenses. Good on you for getting more moments captured with this little set-up.
Thanks so much Sean!
@@MitchLally I picked up an x100f a few months back (luckily at a very reasonable price) for the reason that I was always leaving my bigger cameras at home and then not having anything on me when I came across something nice. It has been super successful in making sure I take more photos cuz I have it on me much more often and that's the end goal anyway, get more photos and get better by using the camera more often so I can't agree more.
I kinda watched this randomly cause i was bored, I thought it was just going to be about a small form camera- a review and unboxing or something. But it was so much more. You changed my view on how I take photos, and videos, and I love it :) great video
Loved this video! Thank you for sharing!
been steadily downsizing my camera set-up over the years
nikon d700 -> fuji x100f -> ricoh gr3x
imo, if you can get over the lust for a full-frame sensor, the ricoh gr3x is the ultimate daily camera. no regrets.
Wondering what will be next for you buddy!?
I've kept my RX1 (I) for the same purpose. Had it since they were first introduced in 2012. Love it.
Such a good video bro!
A lot of the trip I didn't even notice you having the camera on you but then you see the everyday moments you captured across your images and the b-roll sections in this video and it brings such a good element of story telling with it.
Just wish I knew what Ceddie and I were chanting at the footy though hahah
Hahahaha bro thank you heaps it was a mad trip
Love this! Also appreciate how i'm not the only one pinching a Rode videomic pro as our main audio mic
Man, thank you so much for showing this Samyang 35mm lens! I'm in a situation where I really want a professional quality video camera, so thats why I've been looking at the ZV-E1. I also like taking pictures on the side for fun, like street photography and candid shots, so pairing the ZV-E1 with this lens is the perfect set up.
This is why I think the ZV-E1 is so much more than a vlog camera that it is marketed to be. It has the same sensor as the FX3 & FX6, thus making it extremely capable of professional cinematic video. All you have to do is just invest in getting a G master. On the other hand, since this camera is only 12 MP, it actually gives a more 'cinematic' look to the photos it takes which I feel like more people prefer, especially on social media. Pair that with this Samyang lens that has character to it and you have some amazing stills.
Over the years of carrying heavy cameras, I’ve boiled down to a simple Ricoh grd. Yup, it’s not 16mp and it’s not the latest camera, but it does the job I want and that’s all I need for an edc
Do you use the GRD Iv? or the base GRD model?
@@yingkaik GRD original 8.1mp the first version
@@ezekielkok1848 thanks for your reply! Got it
FYI the smallest compact full frame camera is the Sony RX1R but coming in at over 2000€
I know! But I added ‘interchangeable lens’ at the bottom of the screen after I realised that!
That's a beastly every day carry combo!
Another suggestion is the Ricoh GR (ii or iii)... small enough to take with you everywhere, great picture quality
I actually had a Ricoh GRiii on order before my recent trip but instead of spend 1000+ on an everyday cam I decided to take advantage of what I had already which was the zve1 and buy that little samyang. But yes for those on the hunt for a compact the Ricoh has to be in the top 3!
Sony rx1 full frame with 35mm in build lens released 10 years ago will be much smaller option )
The FP is smaller and yes you can make a smaller set up but more limited as a camera especially with only an electronic shutter. You can also consider the Sony RX1RII with its 35mm F2 lens. It's quite remarkable.
I've been on the fence about the 35mm 2.8 vs 1.8 (I bought the 45 and 75 1.8's when I moved to Sony from Nikon last month) but I just picked one up as a daily carry lens thanks to this video. Cheers Mitch!
The video was made artistically. Thank you for that. However for answering your question, I think It's Canon R8. It has a full frame camera and is compatible with rf and rf-s lenses. It's small size especially combined with and rf-s or a prime lense alongside it's affordable price tag allows you to bring this full-frame tiny bease everywhere. You can charge and use it at the same time with usb-c and record video in 4k/60. The thing that wins me over the ZV-E1 is the electronc view finder that allows to use the camera in harsh sun light. Thank you so much
Ok - it seems like a lot of people completely missed the point of this video so let me address some things:
1. I never said this is the smallest FF body - I said 'camera setup' - because at this time you can't buy a fast autofocus pancake lens like this for the Sigma FP (yes I'm aware the FP exists).
2. I never said to buy this exact camera - in fact I stated that you probably shouldn't - because there are other cameras that are cheaper and better IMO - I just happen to already use it for video. Seems no one watched the video til the 6:12 mark
3. The RX1R is a great camera but you can't switch lenses (I added the note at 6:30 while editing the video)
Sigma make lenses that are nearly as small and the camera is quite a bit smaller. RX1 is a digital full frame with lens. You didn’t say ILC camera. I mean if you want a 90mm the Sigma 90/2.8 is the smallest and therefore the Fp + 90mm is smallest. Making provisos just to suit you is and manaplaining it to everyone doesn’t make it true suddenly. Maybe this specific setup is somehow smaller if you set very specific goals, but your dumb title doesn’t reflect that, at all. Didn’t watch your video. Didn’t subscribe. Didn’t hit the bell icon for notifications.
Rollei 35 is your friend. One of the smallest full frame cameras ever, with incredible lenses, whether the 2.8 Sonnar, the 3.5 Tessar and Xenar, even the Triotar isn't bad. If you can handle the zone focus and often broken meter, it is so much fun to shoot.
That's a film camera though.
Don't scare the digital crowd ;)
I like the Minox 35 ML more.
Rollei 35 is a piece of unreliable relic. I hope the MINT reincarnation could be more reliable. I'd rather shoot with a plastic EOS 300x or F75, both deliver way better results.
I started off with something similar. My setup was the a7c and zeiss 35mm 2.8. The zeiss lens was actually quite cheap on the used market. Now that the a7c is a few years old it can be had for pretty good used prices as well I find.
It's like 1200-1400 used.. Not cheap
@@unbroken1010 i see them as cheap as $1100 for buy it now prices on eBay. If you search locally you can get them for cheaper. That’s still quite a lot less to enter into the Sony full frame ecosystem than buying new.
The zeiss 35mm is dirt cheap as I said and can be found for 300-400 easily. So for $1300 total you could have a full frame 35mm setup. That’s cheaper than buying a used x100v.
Definitely feels like the longer I'm into photo/video the more I want just 1 small body and 1 or 2 small lens at most. Eyeballing the Leica Q3 for this very reason, outside of 1 or 2 things it's basically exactly what I want...light/small/simple. May try to replicate it with a Sony for now, but I'm probably done with big and heavy for the foreseeable future. (and zoom has been dead to me for years lol)
go for the q3 or q2, you wont regret it
Real men zoom 😂
@@eirikskarstein9964yeah, let me in my mattress and see what I got during this disaster of a economy
Looking too buy a camera for Content Creation jobs for brands, music artists and more...need a solid hybrid camera which performs well in all situations for video (low light etc...) but also want the option to be able to shoot photos on it as well for things such as cover images, carousels for IG...what would you recommend? Currently torn between the A7Cii and the ZV-E1...At the moment I'm leaning towards the A7Cii because it has a view finder and if I get some wedding gigs this may be super helpful when capturing photos....
Would love to hears thoughts opinions or even another camera option which may work better for that hybrid set up!
Also another thing I'm wondering is how the ZV-E1 works with a flash gun?
If you want film look to your image, just use vintage glasses with an adapater, like M42 lenses or old glasses.
Nice but i believe the smallest full frame camera is still held by the Sony RX1-RII which is approx 113mm long and features a fixed Zeiss 35mm f2 lens
I'm totally into smaller cameras and this might be the perfect youtuber camera who uses a7s3. Keen to get my hands on one.
Mann Mitch, loved this one bro. Super inspiring. Great seeing you and the guys just out having a good time.
Thanks Stan!
I have this set up with the 28 f2 Sony. For portrait and telephoto I put the 85 f1.8 Sony. 😊
I def keep going back and forth on this. The Sigma fp is light and has excellent video capabilities. It's great (maybe overkill) for my purposes. That and the Ricoh GR3 resolved my digital GAS 😂 Sometimes I'll to change it up and dust off something older like the Fujifilm X-E1, and appreciate a different experience. Digital sure has come a long way!
Wouldn't you prefer the a7c? they are almost the same size. with evf and that mechanical shutter
i got a sigma fp. basically for a similar setup I completely sacrifice autofocus and adapt zeiss and leica m lenses. Sony has about 1000 times better autofocus, ibis, and video compression codecs but the fp has better image quality if you're a nerd about it. Also I have leica l mount lenses from the tl so it was the more economical choice, since I could get a used summilux tl and an fp for the price of the sony. Sony is way more practical I admit
same here :)
I have the ZV-E1 and the a7Cii. I can say, the Cii is a far better option as it's the same size, but offers far better images from a photography perspective as well as better controls for photography.
What is the camera on the thumbnail please ?
Thank you !
film is hype ! it can be replicated very easy
As someone who shot MF film commercially from 1990-2000, I agree that the scanner operator is an integral part of the process. That's why I left film for the OG Nikon D1 when it was released. If you want control, letting a pro lab scan and save a JPEG is no good. As you witnessed on the Noritsu, they are "developing" the raw scan and saving a file (regardless of format) as a fixed entity. Unlike a digital RAW file, you can't just revisit and tweak a scan. That's why I abandoned the hybrid model and stop using chemical photography. Now, if you are shooting film, developing and OPTICALLY printing your work, maybe film makes sense...
That little Samyang lens is great and so light, pairs super well with the Sony C series cameras too- just wish it had a metal lens mount!
I often have my A7C in a small bag with me (and at times when I want to be even lighter the RX100mkI). I usually have the Sony 28-60/4-5.6 on, or one or two of the small Sony or Samyang lenses. I also often have an additional grip extension from Austin so my pinky finger also get some rest and it is also easier to carry the body in one hand with the grip, but it does make it a little heavier. I have the 35/2.8 but it was a long time ago it got to see some sunshine, so I will try your setup with my A7C and also without the grip extension. The ZV-E1 is a tiny bit smaller and lighter then the A7C but not by much so my setup should be quite close to yours. Thanks for the video!
how do you like the kit 28-60 lens? I have 35mm Samyang & preordered a7Cii
@@mirrorlessny The 28-60 is surprisingly sharp and also stands pointing towards the sun without flaring, which means you don't need a hood for it. You can also get a decent sunstar at f16-f22 (without too much diffraction softness). It is very light. On the downside you have to turn into shooting position and then it protrudes and get longer. Also f4-5.6 isn't for low light or shallow depth of field. Though headshots at 28 mm f4 looks quite good (and have about the same uncompressed facial look as a smartphone selfie which people are used to these days). Summary: As a daytime lens it works very well.
My small kit is the Samyang 24/1.8, the 28-60 and the Samyang 75/1.8. All sharp and light.
Great video mate, a FF camera with you all the time that won’t give you back ache, sounds and looks fantastic. Plus some great images ! Thanks !
I might have to pick that lens up! Been wanting a full frame pancake lens. I have one for my xe4 but love me some full frame action better sometimes haha
I still shoot my Sony RX1. I would buy a MK III in a heartbeat.
I will say, I was not expecting the price of the camera >.<
But love the video and the message of it. You're perfect in capturing what I want to do with my photography. I don't want to lug my DSLR around all the time but I'm not too fond of my phone.
Yeah its definitely not in the affordable category and there’s better options out there for sure. I think the main point is that the compact camera category was killed by the iphone but I think there’s a lot of reasons to get one and keep it on you at all times!
Probably,
The video that will convince me to pull the trigger on the ZV E 1 !
Great post
Looked at your pics, made me miss Melbourne,
Hey Mitch I do some stand-up comedy and looking for the best camera to start filming. Stand-up is always done in a poorly lit room with the performer in a spot light. Also sets can be anywhere from 10-60min long hoping you can give me some idea on how this camera will hold up or throw me some other options:)? Great content by the way!
I shot a similar Speedbooster setup with Fuji for a long time. Now I like my Canon M3 with the stellar 22mm. I really need to whip it out again more often.
Got my A6400 for this exact reason and just fits my budget best! Love the presets used in this video
agreed I totally love this camera
I love the coloring grading of this video T-T
Great video! I think your one of the few people that seem to be using this camera how it was meant to be used
ZV-E1 is a little toy, my favorite photo & video camera.
Great vid bro
Takes are spot on!
phenomenal vid. can't stand inconvenient camera setups and refuse to use them. I also completely agree with having a bone to pick with the fuji film simulations as well, i have 3 fuji bodies and don't use film sims on any of them. I don't like the results, and nothing about them looks remotely like film to me.
Nice vid Mitch. I find myself wanting a smaller setup these days too. There is nothing subtle about the R5
Thanks Ben! Hope you’re doing awesome man :)
So classy! Enjoyed the visuals for sure
I'm hoping for a photo centric small full frame camera like the ZVE1. Interchangeable lenses, good battery, at least 24MP.
I think if Sony bring the successor to the a7c in soon it will be the one. Something tells me if it is coming it’s very soon. 👀
@@MitchLally It's definitely a good time for it to hit the market. Hopefully the EVF and screen will be great.
Either this or just an RX1 mark 3 would be incredible for me personally. I don't need the interchangeable lenses so much but love the feeling of having an EDC compact with me.
I always take my camera with me, it started with a x100v, which turned into a Leica q2, then M10 and M11 and now I'm waiting for my q3 as my daily driver and probably work setup
Tell us your rich 💵 without telling us your rich
Not really, I saved a lot of money, got great deals and had luck due to camera problems and got them replaced. Except for the x100v I bought them all used
I kinda of know what you feel. Fuji is either love or hate. Sony is so top tech, nobody can deny them, but Canon has the color science that came from film experience. People look better, exposures are better. Technically, Sony is better in every way, faster, higher resolution, better focus, everything. But look at the results from F2 to F2.8, both smooth and sharp, and has the film like quality that is so elusive. Last year, I looked at all the photos that I have ever take with my Fuji, Sony, Canon cameras. The shots I like most came from Canon. No, they are not the highest resolution, nor the best lenses, but something about the total image quality works. Maybe you /we all need to just slap on a prime lense and rediscover the simplicity again.
If you want real sharp a MTF Oly Pen-F will do. The 75/1.8 isn't beaten by any Sony (and I have plenty of their FF lenses).
Sweet everyday carry! For me its the A7C and either the 28mm f2 or nifty fifty.
My go to camera for travel pocketable is my RX100
With the pergear 35mm 1.4 the full frame setup would be even smaller 😮
I gotta share there's an opportunity of making it even more pocketable...! try a 7 artisans 35mm F/5.6 pancake lens. I don't think it'll stick any further than the grip itself!
Sony RX1 line is smaller.
Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens (Leica L)
Would be good on a sigma FP
Love the way you displayed this camera. Very into how hybrid and compact this camera is. Might be what I purchase while I wait for the Panasonic S1H ii.
being using your presets for a couple of years now and love them! any updates for them coming soon?
Wished it had a small viewfinder. Otherwise it would have been perfect for the EDC
Melbourne looked sick, samyang have a cool and different lenses
Great video! I recently picked up the ZV-E1 as well and am impressed with the size. Question: How does the Samyang 35mm 2.8 work for video? Is the autofocus decent? My Sony 35mm 2.8 Zeiss is great for photography but in video mode it has focus breathing (unlike the Sony 35mm 1.8). This tiny pancake lens you have is a fraction of the weight of the 35mm 1.8.
sony nex-6 with 16-50 PZ or 7artisans 35mm 1.2, fits in my pocket and makes dope images!
This is a very well done video explaining why you are using the body that you are for a everyday carry. My favorite setup for a everyday carry is two different bodies. The Canon 80d with the 17-40 and the Sony a6400 with the 18-105. To be honest I am fine with either setup but the 80d is better because the battery will last weeks when using it this way.
I have the Sony 7c with the very compact Zeiss 35 mm 2.8, looks similar to your equimpent
Could it be that the king here is actually a small film camera like Rollei 35 XF? At least in terms of background separation in as small of a body as possible!
I wish the description of this video decribed the camera that is in the video. I had to watch for a couple minutes to find out I didn't want to learn about this camera.
What about the A7C? It's full frame but more photography focused and you can still do 4K if needed. Of course the video quality won't be as good but still available if needed.
Why is the video not in widescreen?
How’s the camera for photos? I’ve been worried about buying one as a hybrid shooter that it’s not great for photos?
I got into photography at 15 in 86, back then it was all film, we developed our own and used an enlarger in a dark room to get it into photographic paper. It was such a PITA looking back it’s surprising we bothered.
I always prefer RX1RII. 😊
Nice one mate. How’s the autofocus working with that Samyang? Is it as fast as a native Sony?
It's great. Not sure what to compare it to but it's not slow or inaccurate at all.
My EDC is canon R8 with the 28mm 2.8 pancake. Similar to your setup.
I have been pairing the SAMYANG 35mm with my A7R for a few years now, I don't know if it's that compact, but surely is a great full frame combo 🤙📸
Really wish Sony updated the RX1R line, such a great form factor. You think they would with the popularity of the X100V, but I guess you can at least get close to it with the Sammy 35 2.8 on the A7CR. Hope the Sigma FP gets a follow up too. Just so brimming with potential.
LOL...I've been thinking the same thing. I actually ended up with a used a7c (silver for a bit of x100v aesthetic) + Sigma 45 2.8 Contemporary (1/4 Promist for some film vibes). How do you like the Samyang? I sort of like the Sigma Contemporary Series because they have an aperture ring.
Yeah the sigmas are amazing. I have the 65 f2 - it’s just not quite as light and compact as the samyang. I know that 45 is tiny tho. But when you feel the samyang it’s actually crazy how light it is since it’s all plastic. Feels like a feather.
Top priority was size since I want to chuck it in my everyday sling bag.
Don't forget about the 35mm 2.8 zeiss. The look and feel of it on my a7c is just perfect for an everyday non intrusive walk-around setup.
I shoot wedding. this is my main camera (with cooling rig and fx30 for back up )
Sony makes a smaller FF, the RX1
Now I’m considering buying this setup, cheers bro! Lol going broke Matu 😂
This is the rich mans xe4 but doesn’t look as good 😂💀
just picked up an a6000 and samyang 24mm as my edc camera, loving it over my a7iii and a zoom
That's funny I had exactly the same thought today. But I would go for the a6700 + samyang 24 2.8 to get it even smaller. I wanted to get a Ricoh GRIIIx or a Fuji x100v for a very long time but I don't have any other use for them besides the casual photography and the a6700 could be integrated as a B or C cam for everything else I am doing
Xt30 mk2 is insane for video and stills, literally same sensor that in x100v
@@bekerashes thought about that as well but I don't want to invest in another system, basically the same reason why I won't get a Ricoh or x100
I use the a6500 and 24 2.8 from samyang, can vouch for that lens on a sony aps-c body. It just feels so nice to keep it light
Very nice content. Thank you for sharing.
I use sigma FPL, I did not buy the Sony ZV-E1 esp I am doing photography and needed a high rez camera and I already own a Sony ZV-E10. Personally the pics here are having filmic look that is great. I have a 50 mm manual lens may try out a 35 mm soon.