Kirby Lore’s Biggest Misconception
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2023
- In a nutshell Void is not Kirby or dark matter it is going through a identity crisis which of the two it wants to be.
If you still think void is Kirby that's fine just keep in mind it makes no sense lol.
shout out to @gordo8354 for helping understand this stuff
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Link to developer interview that is evidence: www.reddit.com/r/KirbyLore/co...
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0:00 intro
0:50 the face does not prove anything
1:32 the misinterpreted pause screen
2:03 no they don't have the same powers
2:56 there is only one void
4:04 outro - Hry
This sign wont stop me because I can't read.
Theory: kirby likes to eat
Theory disproven.kirby doesn’t eat at full help.he does eat enemy’s but still Kirby don’t care heals
I never really thought it through but I also only sorta believed it. Don’t laugh, but I thought that void was pretty much just… God, and it created all matter in all dimensions.
Void is more what everything came from. It was not alive at first. So the Kirby God would be who made Void I guess.
Even if Kirby's not Void, I still like the idea of Kirby being the inverse of Dark Matter.
Considering they both do have copy-ability powers (specifically with Miracle Matter, as that never would've seen Kirby throughout the game but still can use the same copy abilities as Kirby, so it could not have just remembered them) and that Kirby is the only one able to not only avoid Dark Matter's possession but even to thwart it time and time again, it just kinda makes sense for them to be similar, but inverse. To be so close and even connected, and yet to still be so different.
Like an inverse function in mathematics - it's directly linked to the original function, but does the exact opposite. Like how arcsine undoes the sine function, Kirby undoes Dark Matter.
although personally I do not think that Kirby is linked to either Galacta Knight, Meta Knight or Morpho Knight outside of appearance.
All three of them have very specific abilities, while Kirby's a blank canvas that he can fill with the powers of others.
(And if Kirby was linked to them, then it would mean that Meta Knight's also linked to Morpho Knight and could theoretically also wield the power of the Grim Reaper.)
It’s definitely makes sense that dark matter and Kirby are opposites plot wise but lore wise idk.
This is kind of head cannon but the way I see Kirby species is that they are a race of warriors. As children they have the ability to copy, as they mature they choose one ability to master and stick with and they lose the ability to copy. When they mature they get wings shoulders and opposable thumbs, Kirby is kind of like Larva and when he grows up he will be like the knights. Morpho knight might not be one of the species, just taking the form of one, or maybe Morpho used to be mortal and then became the grim reaper somehow.
@@kirbehetceterahonestly this was exactly how I pictured it as well when it comes to kirby's species
I doubt Meta Knight and Galacta Knight being part of the Kirby species, whatever that may be. The only reason we might think that is due to their similar traits. The game also states that Void will be reincarnated into different forms depending on the energy that Void is exposed to.
I still believe void is Kirby but you have a nice theory! Also, one minor mistake, you said hyness’ negative energy corrupted void, but that’s not true bcz void existed before hyness and was sealed before hyness.
FINALLY someone made a video on this. I don't know how I didn't see it when it came out but I have been waiting forever for someone to debunk this theory. Thank you for making this video.
The only character who I think had connections to void is the master crown there is so much evidence of something being there
Like The Fact That The Máster Crown Was Created By The Ancients?
Or The Fact That The Máster Crown Is Full Of The Hatred And Obsessions Of Prior Rulers?
@luisricardovalencia5855 the “pior rulers” of the tech ancients I think are being built up as the main villains of the series they are responsible for everything if you think about it. The master crown, Void, Hyness, Galacta knight, and Forgo are all the way they are because of them. Also void summoning the master crown and a void looking thing in the background of Magolor soul fight in deluxe.
@@kirbehetcetera The Ancients Are Death For All We Know, And Those "Prior Rulers" Could Also Be Dead Give By The Fact They Use The Máster Crown, Just Look What The Máster Crown Do To Magolor, Who Knows What Could Happen With The Others
Maybe They Create The Máster Crown With The Power Of Void/Jamba Heart?
@@luisricardovalencia5855 maybe dark matter was the result of the ancients tampering with void
@@kirbehetceteraThat Would Make Sense If We Use The Fact That Maybe The People Of The Forgotten Land Are The Ancients,
Maybe The Tech Ancients Tried To Do Experiments With Void And The Jamba Heart And Maybe Just Like With Fecto, They Create Dark Matter By Accident, That Makes Me Think The Idea That Maybe Because Of What Happen With Galacta And The Magic Ancients The Tech Ancients Tried To Make Some Powerful Weapon Like The Máster Crown With The Knowledge They Have From Void
While I appreciate your attempt to debunk the prevalent Kirby is Void theory, your arguments are not particularly convincing.
I think we're forgetting that Kirby Star Allies and Void as an entity were always meant to be the culmination of the Kirby franchise up until that point, stated by Shinya Kumazaki as recently as the 30th Anniversary Music Fest. With this in mind, pinning Termina as merely "some random entity that just so happens to be copying Kirby and Dark Matter and has no impact on the overall story" rather than "the constantly reincarnating entity that explains everything in the franchise" does not satisfy its criteria of being the lynch pin in the whole narrative.
How most online theorists understand the Void-Kirby connection is that the Void is both person and primary energy source of the universe - the "Essence of Chaos" as stated in his true final boss title. In his Japanese lore description, which Meteorz points out in his video and we can assume is the most accurate source of information, it is stated that Void is the progenitor and vehicle by which the four Matters are expressed; That wherever enough positive or negative energy is gathered, Void can take on a positive or negative form of any of the four matters or a conglomeration of multiple. This is something that I hoped you would cover, since this is the main source by which the community cemented the Void=Kirby theory. You imply at the end of the video that it would be ludicrous to suggest that Void was reincarnated as Kirby, Meta Knight, Dark Meta Knight, Shadow Kirby, Galacta Knight, Gooey, Zero and its Dark Matter Spawn and the whole host of "Void-entities" (let us refer to them as such), all co-existing within the same period of time. But understanding the lore descriptions, a valid interpretation would be that Void does not follow the same incarnation laws as Hindu incarnation (seen in shows like Avatar where there is only one soul in one place at one time). Instead we may understand Void to be an energy that expresses itself as a unique soul in each form that it takes. Hence I would say the total opposite; all of those Void-entities being manifestations of the Void makes perfect sense!
This would explain how final bosses like Drawcia and Sectonia tap into the power of Void during their soul fights. Void is a built in part of the nature of every being in Kirby's universe - the 4 matters that constitute the principalities and powers of this video game universe. This is not the same as saying that the exact same soul that gave rise to Termina is the same soul within any of the soul bosses during their fights; they merely become more like the Essence of Chaos as they tap into his power innate to each of themselves, but in so doing losing their sanity. Which, wouldn't you know it, seems to be exactly what happened to Fecto Elfilis as he became Chaos Elfilis. The various Forgotten Land animals and the Morpho Knight Butterfly seemingly have no clear relation to Void, but raise Elfilis to the state of being on par with Void in Star Allies. However, with the previous interpretation in mind we can see that each of the absorbed creatures helped Elfilis become Chaos. Where there is built up power (which is always in the form of the 4 matters), Void manifests itself. Surely you can't argue that the odd naming and color similarities between Chaos Elfilis and the Essence of Chaos, Void have some connection.
And as for the argument regarding Void's copy ability copy ability is not meant to distinguish him from Kirby and the other Void incarnations, but rather to show unity and cohesion between them all. For reasons unknown, Kirby has the greatest copy ability potential among all the Void entities in his universe. Maybe it's because of the composition of the 4 matters within Kirby, which remains a mystery, or it's because he was created as a purely positive Void incarnation. Gooey had a similar ability in Dream Land 3, but ultimately didn't have the same flexibility perhaps due to being composed of more Dark Matter, or simply being a different incarnation. Like Galacta Knight and Meta Knight, Gooey in modern games seems to now have a chosen set powers and no longer uses a copy ability. Whether Meta Knight and Galacta Knight lost their copying power is unknown, but as you yourself state, they and Kirby are likely the "same species," and so we would assume that they did have that copying ability in the past but either no longer use it or can't use it anymore. Another great example of the copy ability-connections between Kirby and Void is Fecto Elfilis. He is capable of both copying through consumption AND copying from memory. (To clarify, we see Fecto Forgo absorb members of the Beast pack to gain their abilities in the Lab Discovera chase scene. Then we see him pull his spear out of thin air with similar particle effects to Void Termina when it summons its weapons out of thin air) Thus overall, it would make more sense to interpret the copy ability as a universal trait that all Void entities share to an extent and can potentially lose, rather than Void simply copying Kirby who copies others because he's a newborn unique entity totally unrelated to every final boss that came before him.
But still at the end of the day Kirbeh, I totally support you diving into Kirby lore and coming out of it with your own unique interpretation of the events that panned out. It's important to have diverging interpretations among lore enthusiasts, so that we can walk together towards a better understanding of the story Kumazaki-san is trying to tell. I really appreciate this video Mr. Etcetera
Whole ass manifesto this gonna take a while to respond to
@@kirbehetcetera my bad
I totally agree with everything you said about the four matters and tapping into void’s power. But I just can’t buy that so many creatures are “Void entities”. The copying thing doesn’t make sense either. So many of these characters in question have never done any copying and if they have it’s in pretty drastically different forms, memory, consumption, absorption, etc. I think a possibility Kirby has these powers is because he is in a larval state in his species and is not fully grown, which explains his differences to the knights. Maybe before he chooses his battle style as a knight he has the power to try stuff out idk.
@@ToxicPea you should check out my other lore video I would like more peoples opinion on it and I feel like it is more of a bombshell then this.
@@kirbehetcetera I agree with you on the larval state. It would explain why the knights are incapable of the same techniques. As long as the nature of the copy ability and memory summoning remains undefined, it would be silly to craft "100% TRUE THEORY THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING," so I say we hold our horses on that.
But when you really think about it, there aren't that many real Void-entities. Dividing between the entities spawned directly from positive or negative energy gathered, and the entities that eventually gain the powers of Void, I can only really count the following from Kirby's home universe:
Kirby, Meta Knight, Void Termina, Zero and its spawn, Dark Nebula, Galacta Knight, the other 3 Heroes (Fecto Elfilis is one of them maaaybe?)
All of the wizards and soul bosses are just tapping into some of the 4 matters. The Doomers might also fall under this territory. Fecto-Elfilis-derived Ancient tech like the Master Crown and Star Dream also fall into this camp.
Then of course you have the mirror characters and the parallel characters, who come from different universes.
There is a simple way to disprove the "Kirby is a reincarnation of Void" theory:
How can Kirby be a reincarnation if the original is still alive? That would be asexual reproduction, not reincarnation.
Alternate universes, bud. They’re all over the Kirby series.
The original doesn't have to die for a reincarnation to happen.
Reincarnation is the rebirth of a soul in a new body. That doesn't mean the first one has to die for that too happen
You are right that void is not Kirby, but that does not mean that Kirby is not void. As has been stated, void is a combination of the 4 elements of Dark, Heart, Soul, and Dream. Isn't it believable that there could be multiple combinations of these elements with subtle differences that cause different variations of "Void" to exist at the same time, with the truest "Void" having a perfect balance? Essentially, Void would be a species of entities that could have a wide array of alignments based on the predominant element. For instance, Darkmatter would have a greater concentration of Dark, causing it to lean towards evil inclinations. Kirby would likely be a Void with higher concentrations of Heart and/or Dream, causing him to seem much more child like than he likely is.
I would also be hesitant to say that Meta Knight and Galacta Knight are also Voids, and would thus argue that they only share a similar appearance to how Voids appear. The way I would explain this is that they would be the closest beings to Voids, while still lacking the raw, unlimited power that would come with being one. This would also make them a different species than Kirby, and solve the issue of having the larval form being superior to the full grown butterfly form that comes from claiming that Kirby is a baby Meta Knight.
"...Half the cast are reincarnations of one character..." Xehanort
I feel the same way, so this video will be useful! 🌟 However, there's a bit of a plot hole that hasn't been explained...
Void, the blank slate entity from The Ultimate Choice timeline, was able to take the form of Dark Matter during his battle, despite seemingly not having been exposed to a significant source of negative energy. It’s possible that Void has a similar biological nature as the Dark Matter species, being a closer connection than whatever connections Void gets from being "the progenitor of origination". This isn’t surely the case, since it’s possible that the unknown story in the alternate timeline leading up to the fight with Void had events that made it reasonable to expect Void to take Dark Matter forms despite still being his uncorrupted self. In this regard, we can only speculate.
Good point, void definitely has influence from dark matter in the ultimate choice fight even though it’s suspossed to be their original form. We see void termina although it is a dark reincarnation of void be influenced by a pure being. So this could be a neutral reincarnation of void being influenced by darkness mostly from the tech ancients. But that still would be strange since void still has a lot of dark matter powers. My head cannon is the ancients used Void to create the master crown but in doing so accidentally created dark matter because they failed to harness all four elements. So maybe this is void in a state after that event.
@@kirbehetcetera Interesting headcanon. I wonder if there will ever be more confirmed information about Void. I hope there will be.
@@skistorm739 I’m sorry but I have no idea what your saying
@@kirbehetcetera void has other abstract forces given form like zero and Kirby just a of reincarnation of heart matter/gooey=dark matter just not the only abstract force=void. abstract force be a avatar=zero or reincarnation=Kirby/gooey. Mirror Kirby/parallel meta-knight not a reincarnations.
@@kirbehetcetera can have multiple reincarnations but void is different because it's extremely rare.
Definitely intriguing. Thought the whole "Kirby is Void reborn woth positive emotions instead of negative ones" made sense but now you've forced me to doubt that and look into it myself. Also, I guess we won't know the truth unless they drop another Kirby game with a Dark Matter-like entity.
Well like I said I don’t think dark matter is a “reincarnation” of void but could be related. I think the only reincarnation of void is void termina. How would their be a bunch reincarnations of the same guy running around?
@kirbehetcetera That's exactly why I appreciate you making me rethink this, because it doesn't make sense for there to be more than one reincarnation of the same guy. So there is either something more or Void can somehow have multiple versions of himself. I've also heard theories that Kirby is a manifestation of Void's positive emotions rather than being Void itself, which makes a little more sense but not much. Like you said in the video, it doesn't explain Meta-Knight and other Kirby like characters.
@kirbehetcetera Also, I meant Void Termina is the only reincarnation of Void with negative emotions. Dark Matter, Zero and the rest all were created by Void in some way, thus having a connection, but aren't a piece of Void themselves.
@@a_random_xenomorph fecto elfilis and the master crown are connected to void too in some way. BUT THEY ARE NOT REINCARNATIONS.
@kirbehetcetera I definitely agree with the Master Crown, I mean it gets summoned during the boss fight. But how Fecto Elfilis?
I would make an argument pointing out why Void and Kirby are related in some way, but there was already someone here who did this job 10 times better than I would, I just wanted to say that from a narrative point of view it doesn't make sense to put so many motifs from Kirby during the Void battle just to say that it's a coincidence, you said that the face Void Termina makes when he sees Kirby is just a way of imitating the first being he sees but how would you explain the Dark Matter form he takes during the battle ? Void Termina has never interacted with any form of Dark Matter before, that and even the 0 face he makes during his fight in astral birth form, you could say "That Dark Matter face could be due to one of the elements that make up the Void" but saying this would prove that there is a connection between Void and Dark Matter, and how Kirby would be the same species as Meta Knight ? If this is true then why doesn't Meta Knight have even half the power that Kirby has ? It can be said that he is in the larval stage or something like that but biologically speaking why would a being at its peak decline in power ? And a curious fact is that in Kirby Planet Robobot it is said that Kirby has infinite potential, in short there is much more evidence that associates Kirby and Dark Matter with Void than the Master Crown in fact, again there are too many references to be just a small coincidence on Void's part
I kind of worded it poorly in the video. Dark matter is definitely related to void but zero isn’t a reincarnation or anything. I realize there technically is not any evidence that meta knight and Kirby are related but like they probably are.
I mean if there was only 1 void then how do you explain the fact thag void exists in all dimensions
It’s called being omnipresent. How can there be two of someone who is omnipresent
I don't like debates, I believe in the theory but I agree that some videos are different from others to the point where it's misinformation (that's the Kirby fandom for you, they will say Kirby beat's someone without even know the other character, and then they don't even know who Kirby really is)
That being said, I do want to point out the "Kirby is the same race as MetaKnight and GalactaKnight, so they can't all be void" and to that I say yes and no. I agree, it would be a bit silly to claim Kirby is a literal void but is also a Star Warrior (I know that's not there canon name but that's what I am calling them) I would bring up the fact that Shadow the Hedgehog is a being of chaos energy and what not but still took the form of a hedgehog, and use that for Kirby as well (being void but taking the form as a SW) buuuut that's a completely different series, besides, we have a better example for why this works, Morpho Knight. In the same game all of this discussion came from, we were introduced to MorphoKnight, MorphoKnight is the result when the Butterfly consumes the power from a powerful entity, NOT SPECIFICALLY GALACTAKNIGHT, ANY POWERFUL ENTITY (this is evident as the Butterfly consumes Fecto Forgo and yet still becomes Morpho Knight) Morpho Knight is infact a SW, however, he comes from the result of a butterfly. Now using this, we can still apply that to Kirby as well, showing that it's not impossible for powerful entities to end up as SW by unnatural means. So yes, he can be void but also be a SW (It would be crazy if an all powerful bat at one point consumed a powerful entity and became the MetaKnight)
Now that I think of it, I think the face mimicing part applies to Void TERMINA and not (Astral Birth) Void. My evidence being that the AB Void still does Kirby and DM's faces despite having never meeting either of them. Then again, the fight with AB Void isn't canon as far as I can tell, so take everything I said with a varying amount of salt, depending on your opinion.
And I thought the video about Dedede being evil had a controversial take. This one I think is going to be even more controversial lol! I don't agree with the video but nothing against you, I just don't agree very much.
Can we even consider meta and galacta knight the same species as kirby at this point? The only thing the 3 have in common is the appearance and even then kirby doesnt has wings, alongside that star allied showed us morpho knight who certainly isnt the same species as kirby but also shares his appearance
Well galacta knight and kirby are different species and its said that in the pause lore description that he was reincarnation out of pure evil will kirby is of kindness and love
It literally just does not say that in the pause lore
So void isn't related kirby despite mountians of evidnce but galacta is with only minimal visual clues?
Only 1:11 in so far and this isnt holding very good
2:11 what is this text even implying???
Miracle and nebula copying kirby"s powers is jusy speculation. There's nothing weird about anicent primordial beings having elemental powers and they dont obtain their abilites, they have them permanently. Gooey on the other hand does directly copy kirby's copy ability (it is a little different in star allies but to me gooey's moveset in star allies is to gooey's copy ability as kirby's smash bros move set is to kirby's copy ability ie: just for game play)
2:59 yes it does, it says "void will rise again depending on energy gathered" (note: not the exact quote)
3:40 never in any game has meta knight or galacta knight be confirmed to be related to kirby. Hunderds of characters in kirby have kirby's face. Example: the haltmann soilders.
You did not debunk anything. That would mean found proof it wasn't true. You only questioned the details and left it open to interpretation, and you would be correct that there's nothing confirming it, but if the devs dont have to release a twitter post saying kirby is void for it to be true.
I would be astounded if the knights weren’t related to Kirby that was the original intention since adventure.
exactly Kirby villains having elemental power does not have any relation to Kirby but people like meteorz have used it as evidence so I explained it away anyway.
I would like to know what the mountains of evidence are that you are talking about pretty sure explained everything thing away in the vid.
yes other characters have the same eyes as Kirby due to the art style but meta knight is clearly the same species.
Yes void does change depending on energy gathered yet it never is said that the reincarnations are separate from void rather Void turned into void termina because of the energy no clones made.
@kirbehetcetera since the literal only piece of evidence for meta knight being related to kirby is his face, Void also has his face yet they aren't related? A bit hypocritical isn't it? And if kirby isn't void, what were they building up to with the countless descriptions talking about void being reborn in positive energy? There's no way with that much build up and 2 secret hard mode forms of void they just wouldn't give us the pay off. There's also the music. Void's theme is green greens from dreamland 1, it wouldn't be a streach to say that green greens is kirby's own theme. Void's final form is white, the very first kirby from the original dreamland is also white. As soon Astral birth void is defeat (the time he smiles, showing positive emotion) you unlock the original kirby, symbolizing a new positive reincarnation.
Star allies as a whole was basically the closing of a page in kirby history, (one of void's lines is literally "void takes its first steps to a new age" a symbolic representation of kirby finally moving to 3D and probably cosing the story of dark matter) if they still left kirby and dark matters origins unknown, how would it tie everything together?
Clones? I don't think you understand what reincarnation is. Reincarnation being born anew. Some reincarnations happen on death with a new birth following immediately and the old body being gone, and some reincarnations birth you into a new form while your old form is still alive and intact, even still with its own will separate from the new. And there's all variations in between. Reincarnation is not cloning.
@@TheRealSuperKirby Like I said in the video all of that evidence is Void mimicking Kirby and Kirby's energy inspiring Void to reincarnate into a form just like Kirby. Kirby is not Literally Void.
The theory hinges on Kirby half the cast being different versions of void, essentially cloning. where as Void reincarnated into Termina, Termina and Void were never in the same place at the same time. the version of "reincarnation'' Believers of this theory are talking about is basically cloning.
You have a point about meta knight but what I think is Galacta, Meta, and Kirby are all star warriors like the anime.
Here is my summary of what happened.
Hyness's energy made Void imitate Dark Matter
Kirby's energy made Void imitate Kirby
Thanks to Kirby when void reincarnates it will be like Kirby rather than Dark Matter
Void is not literately either of the two
The End.
Also Little Detail In Void's pause screens and splash screens it never has Kirby's face because it is not it's true form.
@kirbehetcetera star warriors are NOT a race, that I'd the biggest misconception of the anime. It is a resistance group formed by meta knight against nightmare. While most of the highlighted ones were shaped like meta knight, in his flash back, you can see star warriors in all shapes and sizes from birds to robots.
Also something I forgot about meta knight's relation to kirby is meta knight has segmented arms and his hands have fingers, kirby just has nubs for hands, they are biologically different.
Of course void's true face isn't kirby, he has no true face, he is the essence of chaos.
What about voids voice beings kirbys? Just wanna hear ur thoughts on it btw. I dont necessarily believe either side of this argument is true as nothing is confirmed.
I don’t think void does have the same voice of Kirby. But if void does most likely void mimicking him.
@@kirbehetcetera His roar at the beginning of the fight quite literally a kirby voice clip that has been distorted
@@toastcrunch3728 can you show m a comparison?
@@kirbehetcetera I gotta do homework rn but if I find one later, I'll show you
@@toastcrunch3728blud’s homework taking a while
My interpretation was that Void pulls from a Stranger in a Strange Land “Thou Art God” sorta concept. The idea is that ALL things are void. The logic follows that Kirby and Zero are Void incarcerations of pure Heart and Dark matter respectively. Conversely, the idea is that every other living thing in universe is made of like a void base and animated (for lack of a better term) by an assortment of the core matter types. Kirby and Zero are just unique in this case as they would be made with ONLY their respective matters.
Also, I don’t think it is ever blatantly confirmed that Meta Knight and Galacta Knight are the same species as Kirby. Meta Knight’s face and build is very similar to Kirby, yes, but Marx and the Waddle Dees are also quite similar to him, so it’s hard to say definitively one way or the other.
This was just my interpretation though.
Gosh, I need to get a life.
I always interpreted it as Void being a dark, evil version of Kirby. And since Void is treated as some sort of antichrist like figure worshipped by Hyness and the three sisters, and if he's an evil Kirby, that might imply Kirby himself is a messiah. Which I wouldn't put it past the devs to make it so as it would explain Kirby's infinite power.
Nope Kirby is literally just a little kid
This is just a personal interpretation of mine, but I rather see Void as something similar to Chaos of Greek creation myths, that being the void preceding the creation of the universe as we know it.
Mainly due to the JP pause description on True Destroyer of Worlds' heart phase: "Dreams, darkness, soul, heart... All chaos and possibilities assemble within its substance, being born as the origin and ancestor of all."
So could chaos elphillis be forgo tapping into that power? Definitely agree that was what the devs were going for. I hope we we learn more about what fecto elphillis is in the next Kirby.
Who thinks Void is kirby or kirby is Void?
Kirby is Void "son" to say something
Take that W here.
I hate this misconception soo much.Like imagine in the future where Kirby has different origin confirmation and people who get brainwashed by this theory be thinking be like: WhAt If ThIS IS AlSo A ReIncArNaTiOn oF vOiD. !,l?".
Only think I kind of disagree with is Zero not being a reincarnation of Void.Hynnes clan were stated to worship dark matter ,even tho Hynnes worshipped Void Termina.Void Termina as we know is an incarnation of Void that occured when he came across negative emotions And he would take different forms when getting revived.And the fact that Void does have the appearance of it,the splash screen,the dark star ground during Voids core battle and everything that just makes me believe Zero=Void.
I do find this video pretty good to teach Kirby Lore and I like these types of debunks a lot.
There were no negatives emotions mistranslation. By Void takes different forms depending on the energy gathered, by my understanding Hyness’ clan worships dark matter so void took the form of dark matter. Void is partially made of the dark element so he is made of the same element but zero is not a reincarnation. How can their be more than one reincarnation at a time.
Regardless of kirby and void being related or not being related, void still serves as a thematic opposite to kirby
Void was revived as void termina, a being that habored hate and darkness and assimilating followers like hyness and the sisters into his body. Kirby harbors friendship and light and joins with others to create the stat allies sparkler to fight against danger.
For that reason i still view void as a kirby who was born of darkness not in a literal or biological sense, but in a similar vain to dark matter. It grew stronger and imitated the intentions of what it saw, like kirby in his early days. The difference is that kirby was greeted by friendly allies, whereas void termina was born by the darkness of a jamba heart.
I think Kirby is more of a thematic opposite to dark matter. Void isn’t related to dark matter either but void takes the form of dark matter because Hyness worshipped dark matter and he saw void as a god of destruction so Void became like dark matter.
@@kirbehetcetera I agree that dark matter is an overall stronger thematic opposite to kirby, but I think for the theme of star allies and how it relates to kirby Void is still strong.
In kirby's early days he was kind of just wandering around getting into trouble he knew nothing about and doing the right thing, now because of the friends he made along the way he has more of a drive to do good simply for doing good, not that he doesn't still wander into stuff sometimes.
In essence he was influenced by what he saw around him, like how void was influenced by the jamba heart.
By the way do you do skylanders things as well? Just asking because of the captain Flynn voice
Finally someone says it
okay for me Kirby is the good reincarnation,Void termina the perfect, Zero the Negative/Bad, Meta knight/galacta etc...Neutral .But i think im wrong
Your wrong imo
I am agree with mostly everyone,but i think void termina too comes from negative emotion,for me it's the Number of the energy that change the reincarnation of Void,So Void termina is a reincarnation with more negative emotions thanks to hyness and the three mage
@@nicolacancedda2362 void termina is the only reincarnation because how can their be multiple reincarnations
@@kirbehetcetera Ancients made experiment with void,right?In this experiments they tried to use different energy for reincarnate,creating different reincarnation as Kirby,Zero,meta knight,galacta knight and void termina
@@nicolacancedda2362 the point of my video is saying that what you are saying is untrue
I don't think this video debunks too much, but instead just makes it so there's more alternatives to what's really happening. I don't think there's evidence AGAINST the idea that Kirby is Void, but instead just other stuff that could be alternate explanations
I think it's possible that Kirby IS Void because Star Allies was created as the "Final Kirby game of the first Kirby phase". It represented some sense of finality before everything that would be coming next, and it just makes sense that for closing the first arc of Kirby, which mostly revolved around Dark Matter, you would face the origin of all, it just makes sense narratively. With Galacta Knight being of the 4 heroes that sealed Void, Void being able to mimic Dark Matter's attacks and Kirby's expressions (even tho there's another explanations), being related ro the Master Crown (ergo, related to the Ancients, the creators of multiple artefacts using the energy of Dark Matter), and other stuff, it just-, makes sense y'know? Why would they do all that if not to imply a connection between them? Why give Void's theme a cover of Green Greens theme? Why make it so Star Allies is the End Game of the Kirby games? Why imply so much about Void being able to be reborn into positive and negative beings? Why would Hyness refer to himself and his clan as masters of the matter most dark (Dark Matter) and be the one character related to Void? It all just-, makes sense narratively. There might be alternate explanations, but I don't see the point in implying so much connection and narrative impact just for the answer to be "Uhmm actually Void is just some random unrelated entity which is just able to copy things or something Idk", it feels very wrong ngl. I'll gladly take everything being related to Void than nothing being related to Void
I guess my take is that Void/Chaos is some sort of neutral, all powerful, being that is influenced to create offspring/reincarnate from postive of negative emotions, from negative emotion it created dark matter, which spreads it's influence thoughout the milky way. From positive emotion it created kirby, an incredibly powerful being that brings peace and happiness with it (maybe it took the form of the same species as meta knight and galatic knight) Void/Chaos however is able to shape itself or take the form if bith dark matter and kirby since they both come from it, i think it would also have the power of both since kirby and dark matter are born from it.
No, Dark matter and Kirby don’t come from Void (technically everything does) they are not anymore connected to void than Bronto Burt. There is more of a argument for Dark matter but rather than being a reincarnation of Void it is most likely the embodiment of one of the elements that make up void.
but galacta night and meta night arnet the same spieces as kirby, they have arms kirby dose not
They have shoulders not arms.
Yeah idk if they are
kirby lore confusing asf
To be honest, this debuck does make alot of sense.
Kirby and Dark Matter being "reincarnations" of Void wouldn't make sense when talking about it. Void is already some sort of God of its own, but Kirby became a recreation of another God wouldn't sound accurate, not to mention that Kirby is already a strong being of its own.
Also quick question, If it's true that Kirby isn't related to Void or is a reincarnation of Void. Wouldn't this effect the theory: Was kirby (and Dark Matter) "birthed" by Void? (Just asking so I can be in the clear).
Well like void is where everything came from right so I guess everything is birthed from void. But like I don’t think Kirby is particularly related to void.
@@kirbehetcetera ok thanks!
No it doesn’t? It just says “it isn’t actually confirmed, so it can’t be true even if you have a ton of evidence”. This video is just pointless, it proves and disproves nothing.
@@MySnugglePuppy I hate to stop you there but what do you mean by that?
While yes I do believe that kirby is not void, he is however heavily hinted to be one.
Take for example void souls pause screen description which, YOU DID NOT PUT IN THE VIDEO, Literally says he will rise in other forms depending on positive or negative energy's gathering.
Another thing you got wrong is that since that kirby is a reincarnation of void, that makes the rest of his species Void. Which one that is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard and two alll because one member of that species is a reincarnation of something else doesn't mean that they are all that entity.
But ok lets run with this logic. Lets say that reincarnation is real and there is a god like entity that exists, and then this god like entity dies and is reincarnated as a human, so using YOUR logic then we, along with that dude, are god. are you starting to see how dumb that sounds?
Anyways that's it, there were a some things you got right and good job with that. Anyways im out see ya next time.
Isn't it likely that Kirby is the positive inverse of dark matter? Maybe they were once a single entity. Like how elfilin and fecto forgo are. Cute little creature is the positive part of fecto forgo. Dark matter might yearn to be a part of Kirby or something.
No
I think the main issue is that there just isn't enough information to come to any conclusion about this. All we can say is that it is Dark matter showing a kirby-like face. We have no idea what it definitively means unless HAL literally explains it to us or in a future entry. It's left vague on purpose.@@kirbehetcetera
@@tyg-zw7nnThey already told us, twice. He was making a copy of Kirby's face. I made a blog and a video (in my channel) to prove it.
Also, your logic is bad. You say that it's "likely" when nothing makes it likely. As if the fact that it sounds cool was enough.
@@Eficiente_VSB Yes it’s mimicking Kirby’s face- There must be a reason behind it doing that, of which we do not have an answer to as of now. I don’t feel like arguing with a toxic person over minutia that has zero concrete explanation.
@@tyg-zw7nn There is a reason for it too; Void always does that to the first person he sees when born. In this case Kirby. Hyness even wanted to be the first one to met him to make Void Termina more evil.
Calling you out for being wrong w/o being nice about it doesn't make me toxic. Being toxic would be to have overreacted to your comment for being wrong & be a dick about it, the "toxic" part being that I'm normalizing being mean to others when one has no right to.
Imo, I feel like it's more likely that Void and Kirby are the same species.
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@@kirbehetcetera Okay, you are actually a jerk.
I remember realising the theory was false when I read the Kirby Light Novels, where Kirby was shocked that Void had his face. The explaination was explicitly stated there (The light novels aren't canon btw! I just realised when I read.)
If void isnt kirby
Is hyness magolor's father?
They have the same ears and both hide their faces. Also i would not be surprised if magolor read the bible
They not relatives but they are probably the same species. There are tons of Kirby characters with the hooded face and glowing eyes design. My assumption is all the characters with that design a distant descendants of the ancients.
@@kirbehetcetera I’m pretty sure this guy is mocking you because he has as little evidence to prove Hyness and Magolor being related that you have to prove that Void is completely separate from Kirby.
It’s pretty simple. Kirby is the purely positive reincarnation of Void..
It’s pretty simple. Void was effected by Kirby’s energy. The two are not related in any way.
@@kirbehetcetera Tell that to the game devs lol
@@KirbyArchives bro did you watch the video. They literally said in a interview that Void has Kirby’s face because Kirby is affecting Kirby not because they are the same dude. If I reincarnated would I be able to go up to my reincarnation and say hi?
@@kirbehetcetera It’s not that they are the same person that’s not what reincarnation is. All of the pause screen lore and references in the boss-theme clearly point to this
@@KirbyArchives my entire video debunks every piece of evidence.
This could easily be explained by just saying that void is just one in a species
void is the ONLY one in the species
@@kirbehetcetera Where is that stated?
@@wunder4402Void is the omnipresent god who precedes all things in Kirby's multiverse
@@wunder4402 there isn’t a bunch of gods running around
@kirbehetcetera That's because the kirby universe has no true Gods.what we attribute to star warriors and dark matter are just horrifically powerful beings.
Still, there are quite a few of them running around in the kirby universe, even excluding kirby and metaknight.
I don't know why Kirby and void termina are NOT related when his theme of soul melter ex has the green greens 8 bit for Game boy but more sad its a coincidence or something?
The appearance of the Green Greens theme in the Void fight isn't necessarily because Kirby is related to Void, but rather because Kirby's actions influence Void's emotions. In the context of the game, Void became void termina because of Hyness’s influence and the ancients influence. When Kirby faces Void Termina, his determination and courage sway Void's emotions, shifting them away from darkness and towards light. Therefore, the choice of music reflects this emotional influence, emphasizing the transformative power of Kirby's character rather than a direct familial/reincarnation connection.
This is right for (mostly) the wrong reasons. I have an ongoing series that covers this, if you're interested.
Great video, literally just saying “well it doesn’t confirm it to be true, even if there’s a ton of evidence.”
Edit: Also, what about Void’s splash screen literally being the hyper zone from dreamland three? It proves a direct connection between Void and Dark Matter.
Bro you left like 8 comments and I don’t feel like replying to them. This video is kind of bad but this Reddit post does a way better way of explaining it www.reddit.com/r/Kirby/comments/1burz3a/comment/kxui3mo/?
Dude i think you supported the theory more than you debunked it.
I do respect the skylander voice though 👍
Isn't the whole point of telling a story being up to the reader/spectator's interpretation? I do not blame nor condemn the people who believe in Kirby being born from void, if anything the lack of clarity is the real problem here.
I suppose, but when almost the entire fandom has the same interpretation of something and there is no evidence that really points towards it it gets frustrating
@@kirbehetcetera At this point there's really no evidence for anything, people are just very loosely connecting the dots that may not even exist. If you connect Kirby and Meta Knight due to looking the same, then you have to connect Kirby and Morpho Knight, which makes less if no sense at all. Kirby lore is just complicated, lots of people have their own headcanons because no one understands what is going on.
What is even the proof that the Mirror had literally anything to do with Sectonia's state of being? Some Miiverse post that wasn't officially archived and may be mistranslated anyways? Kirby lore is more shallow than a puddle.
@@lpfan4491 well there was a puzzle in Allies that showed sectonia and mirror. Miiverse is taken as gospel or else we would have no idea what is going on the the return trilogy
@@alvarosalema143I mean Morpho and Kirby are connected because Morpho absorbed galacta knight. I think Morpho wasn't looking like he looks rn before absorbing galacta knight, he became a knight because of the absorption imo
But then it’s not as cool. Everything came from Void. Void is basically god. Not a god but straight up god that created everything. Kirby being the good reincarnation of void while Void Termina is the evil version of Void
galacta knight isnt the same species as kirby, your saying kirby isnt related to void but making your own headcanon
when was hyness corrupted? didnt hyness (and the rest of the magic ancients) get banished and do this for revenge?
the reason gooey cant get abilities in star allies is to make him not a kirby clone.
you say void making reincarnations of itself isnt true, but a second later you say void t is a reincarnation of void.
we dont know if meta knight,galacta knight, or the shadow enemies are the same as kirby, your bringing up head canon (even though meta knight looks like kirby, we dont know if he is)
also yes, dark mind is the mirror version of zero.
everyone with dark matter probally comes from void (call me stupid but im pretty sure fecto elfiliss isnt dark matter).
you didnt debunk this,
I’m gonna debunk ur mom
In all seriousness I don’t feel like debating this anymore
K I gonna point out why your wrong now
You have a point about galacta knight they could have no relation to Kirby
Hyness was corrupted by his own hatred and obsession melding with void
Maybe Gooey’s powers are just for gameplay reasons but maybe they’re not.
I meant void’s reincarnations are not sepreate from him. Like a phoenix. void died and was reborn as termina. There can’t be multiple voids running around.
I think dark matter might have came from void but it’s not that “reincarnation with different emotions” bullcrap. Void does do that but that’s not what dark matter is.
@@kirbehetcetera also my replys keep disappearing so you might see 2 of the same reply . or 0
@@mi1key I see none except this one
@@kirbehetcetera i think its cause its too long i will reply is short ones
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I REFUSE TO BELIEVE YOU SO IDC ALSO IM DISLIKING
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