ECOFLOW Smart Generator Test Review
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In todays video we look at the Ecoflow smart generator and who actually makes the engine and was it a good choice. A sound level check comparing a honda generator and is the ecoflow really 10% more effiecent? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below and be sure to smash 💥 the like button and subscribe... 👍🏼😀 #ecoflow #honda #rv #generator
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You got to be the most popular guy on the block during a power outage. :)
Hmmm, rental service? 🤔
Very nice review! Engine rpm alone does not determine fuel efficiency. Engine displacement must be factored-in, and we established that the Honda generator has a significantly larger displacement than the EF model. By analogy, this would be comparing a Honda Civic with a 1.5L engine to a mid-size sedan with a V6 3.5L, and claiming the V6 is more fuel efficient because the engine turns slower, yet where the larger engine sucks in more fuel. Best bet is to run the tanks of both generators dry to see what’s what.
This is true, but having done this test before with the Yamaha verses Honda, the smart generator turns even more rpm at full load then the Yamaha. Both using the same 80cc engine.
At full load the test was almost identical and even more rpm would require more fuel so I can assume that this will burn more fuel over all then a normal unit. But again it’s meant to be a supplement to solar which is where the big savings come from after ROI…
this is the video i needed👊 bought the 2 pro's and the hub and a genmax 7000w instead of the smart generator,more power same price
How much were the DP Pros?
The thing I like most about the Smart Generator is the auto charge function. Wherein it will run and charge the Delta Pro automatically. That in itself is a great innovation.
Totally agree, I like the smart features and connectivity, I only worry about the very high rpm. Highest I have seen on that small engine so far.
But it’s definitely cool. A pinch quieter would be nice but it falls in line with many others.
@@johnnysweekends also cost wise, How long is the oil lasting? but that generator is good with the features but pity it so noisy
Yea the price I get, but there are a few things that needs a update or I don’t think this unit will last.
I wonder how many hours of on and off use till it starts to have issues
And yea it’s frickin loud even in a box fully wound out!!
Is it healthy for the delta pro unit to be charged with the honda?
Great review. I live in England so I'm probably gonna need this setup before winter! 👍
Awesome glad you liked it…😀👍🏼
Good thing you opened up the Smart Generator. Glad to see that Ecoflow was very smart in choosing the engine manufacturer for the Smart Generator. Technically built to last.
I’m hoping, just not sure about the much higher rpm… highest rpm I have seen on this engine.
That is actual proof that the Delta Pro can really accept almost 3600W for charging and boy am I impressed.
Pretty crazy right… I’m going to play with it a little more and do some other stuff as well.
Very nice review! Unfortunately a standard generator can only charge the Delta Pro when it is not being used in a power outage because a standard generator is plugged into the Pro with a standard power cord instead of the AC patch cord so the power from the generator passes through the Delta instead of charging it! The Ecoflow smart generator is designed to charge the Delta Pro while it is being used for emergency back up power. I know this because I was hoping my Honda would charge the Pro while in use to save from buying the smart generator.
Good ro know I was wondering the same thing, that sucks. Qhat did you end up doing lol?
And the smart generator also has auto start. And it's configurable so you can have solar input coming into it and be drawing off of the battery and if it still doesn't keep up the generator can auto start at whatever set point you want. Then shut off after you get it to whatever state of charge you want
True , but a other generator will charge the delta pro while you are using the pro.
If I have my Honda plugged into it, and I’m using a 1000 watts, it will, like mentioned pass through 1000 watts but the other 800 will charge the unit. So technically it it will charge and provide power in a pass through mode and charge the unit with what ever excess you have. Ac can only do 1800 watts so the Honda is perfect for that.
And depending on how you are using the pro for “emergency power” so you should be trying to conserve and not just blow through your power supply.
The smart Gen obviously will do better, but if you used it regularly like the Honda I bet you would need 3 smart gens or more to one Honda.
The smart Gen is great on paper, but with a 80cc engine turning 5000rpm higher then any other generator on the market, and no warm up method or anything, I see it not lasting as long as it could.
It needs a few minor tweaks and it could last so much longer. Will see how it does in the long run because so far people are hardly using them because they will use solar first. So will see hour wise in a year or two how they do.
Although I have plans coming for the smart Gen pretty quick ..👍🏼
That's exactly the reason I chose not to buy the Delta. For such an expensive product I thought it would provide a non-bypass option for AC charging.
@@xavierneckor8918 What'd you go with?
Great job! This answe4rs a lot of questions! Thumbs UP!
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Great, informative video. I find it very useful. Thank you!
Awesome glad it helped 👍🏼😀
Nice review. As a Floridian entering hurricane season, I would love to see a review of the eco flow with the generator for power failure situations to understand the performance over 24 hours.
Yea I would need to demonstrate or simulate something . Having solar out and then the full setup ready.
Great reviews! Really enjoyed it. Especially glad you showed the sound test.
You’re welcome … thanks for stopping by 😀👍🏼
great video. thank you
You’re welcome and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼
Good Stuff thanks
Great review, you really covered every question I has except fuel consumption. Do you think the higher RPMs will have an impact on lifespan?
I know it will consume more fuel then other generators from other tests as higher the rpm more fuel it needs.
The biggest thing with this is the no warm up cycle and the high rpm’s it turns compared to other units.
So it will be interesting to see how long these last. Won’t know for a couple years till people really start working them for a few hundred hours
Yes, I would love to see a fuel test for both generators. Put precisely 1 1/2 gallons of fuel in each empty generator and then proceed charge the DP with DC for EcoFlow SG and AC for Honda and see how much time elapses before each runs out of fuel. I currently have the EcoFlow SG which I purchased because of the smart/remote start feature. I already had Yamaha EF3000iSEB (with an extended run time kit and remote start kit) and Yamaha EF6300iSDE . Also I converted both Yamaha's to Tri-fuel so they can run on gasoline, propane or natural gas. I really wish EcoFlow would have made the SG Tri-fuel even if it added another 2 LBS
Yea tri fuel I think is mostly popular here but not in China as they have to have someone hooks things up for them I guess verse in the states you find the stub and get a valve and hose.
The Honda only holds .95 gallons and the smart gen holds 1.1.
I’ll put something together soon and we will see. But I do have a video before that coming out
who's fuel kit did u use for conversion?
I live in coastal New England. I have the EcoFlow Pro, 1 Smart Battery and the Duel Fuel Smart Generator. I also own the small Hondas. I had been planning on buying a dual fuel generator when I saw a great deal on the eco dual fuel generator. I like the EcoFlow power stations because they are quiet in the evening and I can control/monitor everything via the EcoFlow app. I just wish they had put wheels on the generator.
Yea small cart would be nice at over 60 pounds it’s a little heavy. Not bad but not everyone can lift it
I have the EcoFlow pro with the two extra batteries and the 400w solar panel. I also have the AC unit. I ordered the extra battery for it but they are delayed for some reason.
One thing the generator does that makes it a real value is it can sit without running and once the batteries are depleted to 15%, the generator will start itself and begin charging the batteries. No input needed. That is a real game changer for me.
I agree i love that feature. I just fear this unit will have a short life span but only time will tell. So will see…👍🏼
Veey good video. Thank you👍
Thank you so much and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼
Great channel. Videos are very well done! Please keep up the great work. Subscribed.
IMO, the only reason to get the EcoFlow generator would be for full integration into the EcoFlow ecosystem. I have a EcoFlow Max that I charge with solar, shore power, or my Honda EU2200iC. I like EcoFlow products but I bet my Honda EU2200iC will outlast the EcoFlow genny.
Yes that’s the main reason to buy it. The ecosystem for ECOFLOW is pretty cool.
And in reality you shouldn’t use the SG a much or as many hours since your charging a battery bank and then shut off. Verses the old way of people letting them run at a1/4 load for hours. So I think this should increase its life span.
Although I agree, in the long run the Honda will out last..
And thanks for the sub and joining the group…😀👍🏼
Well done video
Wow thank you very much. Appreciate the feedback.
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What do you think of the smart generator? The communication is cool with auto start and stop but does it really seem more efficient??
The Honda is cheaper, quiter, and will very likely prove to be more reliable. Seems like a no brainer for me.
Yea the idea of the smart gen is awesome but there are a few things that need to be addressed. If I could get a starter kit for the Honda I would just go that route. I don’t need the smart gen to automatically start. But the concept and idea is good but needs a little tweaking.
Great video Johnny! I have a 15 year old Honda EU2000i and also a new Predator 2,000 with the carbon monoxide protection. Both run between 6-8 hours or more on 1 gal of stabilized, non ethanol gas, under a medium load. I like to have at least 2 of everything just in case, because I live way out in the rural Countryside 🙂. I'm thinking about alternating the 2, along with solar to keep the Ecoflow Delta Pro powered up. I believe that the Eco smart gen cost runs somewhere in between the Honda and the predator, not sure, but I believe that I would rather put my money into another Echo solar addition when I can.
Yea, the smart gen is nice but overall it could use some improvements for sure.
Maybe the 3 rd gen will be it!
@@johnnysweekends Yes, I'll stay tuned to you and make the right decision at the right time! Thanks man!
Another timely review. I'm looking at buying this generator now. When I emailed Ecoflow with a couple of questions the responses were amusing. Other reviewers have talked about lack of a high altitude kit, and poor performance above 3000 feet. When I asked about this the response was the generator doesn't have a carburetor so no kit needed, but output would be much lower at 1400 watts, not a problem for flatlanders 😂. The sales description makes a point about you can use use the AC and DC side simultaneously, but doesn't give any numbers. No reviews have covered this. Would be nice to see this in action and how the generator handles it. Thanks for all the great reviews
I will play with it more, as I’m curious as well…😀👍🏼
That was fun and informative. I imagine we will see many smart generators coming out from the other companies, and also, better generators. It is really useful to have a solar generator pulling in power, and have a duel fuel(in the future??) that will kick in as necessary without having to worry about it.
These systems are becoming more like true "power stations", and taking the complexity out of it for us amp/watt/volt challenged.
It’s true, the tech is changing quick so hone in our demand for back up power and to make simple transitions if not enough power is there, we have these options.
A new dual fuel is coming and will be interesting to see if there are any motor changes.
Glad you liked the video and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends You are welcome. Seems like very component that is put in an RV is now being made portable, scalable, and "better"able.
Agree. Now with RVs I don’t think I would recommend a full offgrid system. Most people sell there rvs in 7 years or less along with all that stuff and take a decent loss. But one of these power stations and maybe extra battery and solar and you can take all or most with you.
Just pick it up and remove it.
Use it for home or what ever.
A little expensive at first but plug and play and done. No install really. Unless you wanna hard wire.
Changing the Rv market like crazy
@@johnnysweekends yep. and portable refrig, portable showers, etc.
All one would need is a small inverter generator like the honda with an autostart you could do with a cell phone then the advantage of the ecoflow would be negated. I just checked and the smallest remote start generator is a GENMAX GM3500iAED 30 Amp 3200W/3500W Remote Start Dual Fuel Inverter Generator for under $800. This generator is starting to look good to me as I have two ecoflow Pros and with this generator I could charge them both at the same time.
Excellent review sir. Hard to beat Honda for sure, but the price has me on the fence. All of these generators need a fuel shutoff, I would never buy one without one.
Yes these two units run about the same price, but the ECOFLOW smart generator has a certain purpose.
And it does have a fuel shut off sort of you just have to put it in that location as shown in the video and you can see the engine runs it off fuel and dies.
Does it have a rattling sound/ Morse code kinda hidden sound while it’s running? I hear something beside the usual engine sound!
Thank you for excellent review. I have a question whether the delta pro loading from the smart generator at full power immediately after engine start or giving some time for engine heat?
This is my exact problem. So I haven’t got to test it fully but I will be making another video to show soon when I test a couple things.
When I did this test I had already ran the gen several times so nothing was cold.
So like you I’m curious if I have the setting at full load for DC charging will the generator start and slowly rev up to almost 5000 rpm and not do any kind of warm up cycle.
So that and a couple other things is what the next video will have in a week. Maybe two.
@@johnnysweekends Yesterday I bought one. It don't have a "engine heating procedure", giving full power to MAX/PRO immediately after start. That's a mistake, i hope that EF fix it by a firmware quick.
It's loud, aspecially when charging via DC, much louder than my 2,5kw Loncin 3000i. Why? because has a smaller engine (80cc) and much higher rev speed.
As I guess, such a high rotational speed results from the need to generate a sufficiently high DC voltage. It's not that loud when charging with AC.
When you connect generator do max/pro via DC cable, the generator don't modulete of rev speed. It kicks to max even if power station is charger to full and only AC line is used.
You must disconnect DC cable than rev drops after a few seconds (firmware fix needed)
Charging via AC is much quiter when you limit charge power to 1kw but than you don't have a "smart functionality", just an ordinary generator like any other (much cheeper) one.
Last dissapinted is lenght of DC cable, 5m is a mistake. Cable should at least 10m.
Apart from the disadvantages that I described, it is a very good product, well-made.
Yes exactly, the rev speed after start up needs to wait about 30 seconds.
And even then a 5000 rpm engine speed is not needed. You could do it at 4600 or less because I don’t know if another model that runs that high.
I feel these are prone to fail in less then 500 hours if it’s used to start and stop.
If it runs constant it could run much longer. But no need for that as full charge would be a couple hours or so.
It’s a cool design with its features but not a well thought out lol.
@@johnnysweekends I suspect that they were forced to increase the engine RPM due to the generator which did not provide enough voltage to reach peak power while DC charging. The simplest way to solve the problem for producer, whorst way for the customer. We live in such times.
But maybe i'm wrong and they fix the engine control by a software (i hope)
I don’t even know if they can fix it by soft where update as the inverter board probably controller start up and throttle control.
But it’s possible they could all depends how much the firmware controls on the engine side.
What I think is that the Smart Generator was buillt specifically to charge up the Delta Pro and integrate with it perfectly. Including the Ecoflow App and the smart batteries.
Exactly, that’s what it’s meant for but you can charge delta pro with any gen, but is the smart gen actually more efficient which I’m not sure it is. But the connectivity of it is what really is the cool part..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends While I'd be interested in seeing if DC charging actually uses less fuel than the Honda, ultimately the Ecoflow system will be more efficient simply because the generator only runs when it needs to.
This is true, how ever I think in the long run this unit will be prone to fail.
But if you simply went to say start a different Gen and will continue with Honda, you do have a stop function at least with phone app. The Honda I honestly think will give more watts in less time and burn less fuel.
Great video - but at the end Rpm is not a good indicator of efficiency between different types of engines. It would be awesome if you could compare the charging amount for a set amount of gasoline between the two generators- then you’d have a fuel to battery efficiency comparison.
Yea been wanting to see if it’s truly 10% more efficient. I bet it’s very close to the same. Maybe the 10% is at a certain rpm.
Very good review. But I got my ecoflow delta pro for $2800, much lower than your discount. Thanks anyway
Brand new unit..? That’s a great deal! Or refurbished?
what brand of oil would you recommend? also can I use the oil lucus treatment for the oil?
You know the late oil debate never goes away. After reading and seeing so many experiments and tests I have been using Amazon basics or Walmart super tech as they appear to be the same and possibly made by mobile one.
A semi synthetic or conventional 10-30w or 10-40 is what this calls for possibly due to the high rpm. But if always in a colder climate you can drop to 10-30.
Funny the same engine in every other generator uses 10-30 or even a 5-30 is fine
Wish I could afford all that
They are a little spendy
the Honda burn 121cc of gas each 4 strokes and the ecoflow is an 80cc engine so theres the fuel economy there. in the long term low rpm = less maintenance right? the 80cc engine runs 66 percent faster to make up for the 1630w load.
Pricey($70 more than the Honda EU2200i Companion), especially considering the lack of outlets...they could've put their proprietary outlet in the back of the unit, leaving space up front for another 120vac outlet...I think I'll keep my Honda 2200 Companion...
Yea the smart gen is cool with the thought of design but I think a second generation is already needed as there are some flaws.
So over all yea the Honda gen or another comparable may be a better option for longevity
still getting the honda tho. parts everywere and has litteraly decades of history in being virturally indestructable.
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Any word on the dual fuel model? I have heard rumors of a new one this winter. You think they will change the engine / RPM design of the motor? I hope they just don't use the same generator and throw in a dual fuel kit.
Jason, yes new unit coming just not a hundred percent sure when 🤷♂️
I would love to see a higher cc engine but I bet it’s a hundred percent the same except with a propane connection.
The programming needs to be changed and also not sure if they will switch the battery which is lithium ion. A small agm may be because I know I have had several wanting to use the unit in cold shed areas. Currently they don’t even have a battery to replace with. You have to exchange the whole unit 😳
But it’s just a battery from sky rich just need to source it.
@@johnnysweekends I guess we will see if it's different or the same soon enough!? Looking forward to seeing the difference.
Yup I’m guessing the same 😂👍🏼
As far as I know the EU2200i has a 121cc engine as compared to the Smart Generator which has an 80cc engine. So there is no contest there. Maybe if you compared it with a same engined generator it would be better.
Yea the Honda was just what I had on the ready. But everyone also compares every generator to a Honda so it was a good comparison for sound and basics.
But I could use another gen with the same engine and see the difference.
Hi Johnny can I ask if you know this info: Can the Ecoflow Smart Generator recharge bluetti ac300 or ac500 via ac port?
Sure it shouldn’t have a problem recharging any battery station using the standard ac port.
I don’t have a ac300 or 500 but will have a ac200 max in a couple days to play with.
But overall it still provides normal ac power like any generator. But it’s fancy with gauges and things lol
Is there a conversion kit to transform the smart generator from gas to LP and natural gas?
Answered.
It seems like if you would like to charge your eco battery generator with solar, while having a gas generator backup, this has to be the best/only option? You didn't touch on how it automatically charges the battery pack when it is depleted a set amount. Otherwise best review yet, thanks.
True a couple items left out because sure is hard to get everything with out the video being to long.
I’m doing a updated video soon but short one.
@@johnnysweekends I am looking at buying the Smart Home Panel System with two Delta Pros to start with. I am not ready to put up solar panels, but I use medical equipment that I need be powered uninterrupted. One of the things I like about this system is it's modularity so I can piece it together as money and situation allows (add batteries, solar etc). I am thinking that I will get the Smart Generator to recharge the Pros if the power were to stay off for an extended period (medically I also need the A/C to run which would be huge draw in summer). But I live in an area where it can get very cold and snows and in summer very hot which makes putting the generator outside worrisome. I just watched your video on adding an exhaust line to the Smart generator, which will solve my issue of where to place it as it will allow me to put it in my garage with proper additional Co monitor(s), but do you know if I need to trickle charge the battery if it's on standby? Should I schedule it to turn on for a few minutes like once a month? (this was recommended by Generac when I was looking into their standby generator) Is there anything else I would need to watch out for or do as maintenance when using it as a standby for the Delta Pro generators?
Was this the newer dual fuel model or the original smart generator?
This is the original
Hi, I'm trying to work out what brand the engine is?
Did you say...
Radoh, Rattle, Raddel engineering?
I couldn't quite make out what you said and have had trouble finding the company.
I'm interested in doing a proper running in process on it for best life and less long term oil consumption.
Rato engineering. It’s a small engine like a lawn mower or wood chipper, splitter and more. I dont know anyone who breaks those in. Start with minimal ac load for 5 mins shut off. Move to 50 % load for 5-10mins shut off…75% 5-10 shut off….change oil. 100% 5-10mins shut off. Done. You are doing heat cycles to seat the piston rings. Let sit for about 10 mins or so each rest period.
Change oil frequently and hope for the best.
I was hoping to see the comparison done with the Delta unit putting out power while charging at the same time. I have a problem when charging with a generator through the AC input side of the Delta 2. I’d like to know if the advantage of the EcoFlow generator is the DC charging capability making the Delta stable while putting out 1000+ watts.
You may wanna check for updates on firmware and also your charging speeds on the delta as you can control AC input speed. Although if charging with a regular generator you may have problems charging if not at all. These models need a pure sine wave inverter generator, but even then you will be put into bypass mode charging with ac. So your total output is limited until ac charging is complete then you can use full power of the unit. If using the smart gen and DC charging you have full usage of the unit. No bypass.
Hope this helps
@@johnnysweekends Thanks Johnny, Pure sine wave generator for sure. Firmware up to date. I’ll see how it goes starting at 100% battery on the Delta. At any rate, I’ll probably just put a soft start on my RV air conditioner and run the generator when needed. I was hoping the gen. to Delta was a get-around on installing a soft start but since they (soft start) are now only$100 it’s no big deal.
@ericyoung1973 which delta unit? Pro?
And when using any of these for a AC which I don’t know what size Ac either ,
Everything needs to be off first.
Converter off
Fridge off
That way nothing is running taking any extra power when the ac tries to start
Is there a modification to transform the smart generator from gas to LP and natural gas
Officially no…. Not yet
Can someone tell me if i can plug my existing 4kw pv array directly into the delta pro to charge and leave continually plugged in?..im assuming it will still charge under normal use.Thanks
Nooo, as that array is to big for the delta pro. Max input voltage is 150 volts.
You need a smaller one but you could build a battery back up system and feed right in from your array.
All depends how you wanna do it and money
The honda is a 120cc engine and the ecoflow is 80 cc. Not really apple to apples. Good review though. Nice to see the ecoflow can handle the 3600w charging.
Correct the ECOFLOW uses a standard 80cc Yamaha mz80 clone motor. One of the most popular used. But yea the new gx 121cc Honda engine is really nice. That unit could have easily been a 2500 watt unit. Would have really made it killer. But it still does good and will easily run most any ac unit and just purrr
Loving your channel and quality content! Keep it up my friend!👍🏼
Thank you appreciate it..👍🏼😀
What they don't tell you is that it will not work as a smart generator if the temperature is freezing or below. The instruction manual says to run the generator for 3 minutes before putting any load on it. Having it plugged into the Delta pro unit is a load and therefore the generator should not be charging the Delta pro when the weather is freezing or below.
Exactly this is one of the issues I have with the unit. No warm up cycle and straight to full rpm
Ok, so the smart generator will not charge the delta pro in sub zero conditions? At all? Thanks in advance. About to buy one but want it to work during the winter here in UK 👍
Yea unfortunately the unit does not have a built in heater so if it’s to cold it will not charge. That is one of the down falls. So little blanket heaters can be added to keep them warm enough but obviously takes energy for that.
I have a predator 2000 but I try to charge my delta pro using the ac cable and my generator accelerated and turn on the overload light. In the video I see that the honda can charge theDelta Iam doing something wrong?
Turn off the fast charge in the back of the delta pro. Go to slow charge then get on the ECOFLOW app and turn AC charge to about 1200 watts or what ever you like.
Fast charge with try and draw 1800 watts which is more then the predator 2000 is rated for.
Let me know if this fixes your problem
Do I need to worry about the carburetor screw if I’m planning to never run gas in there? I’m looking at propane as it’s more chemically stable.
No the carb screw doesn’t need to be messed with.
See here and it will show you Why Dual Fuel Generators Are Better!
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Hey Johnny, thanks for sharing. However, this is not a fair apple to apples demostration. Both are nice generators and choosing will be based on one needs. For me, the ecoflow works best for my Cargo Trailer Conversion. My Eco generator primary use is to charge my 15 kw battery bank (Eco mode, low rpm) in the event of an extended cloudy days (winter) or during high usage of my mini split during hot summer days or cold night when my solar panel cant get the job done.
Having a low battery monitor onboard to automatically turn on the generator to charge the batteries is another plus. Which is simiar to a home backu[ generators.
Having a built in Dual Fuel regulator is another plus, not an add on option ($280) like with the Honda. When the gird gose down the gas pumps at the gas station dont work so dont bother running down to the gas station. Also, Propane doesnt go bad
I dont feel the ECOFLOW Gen was designed or built to compete with other traditional generators, its in a class by itself built for an Ecoflow system as a "backup for charging a battery bank ".
I hope this was informative for others deciding.
Steady as she goes!!!
Hello, and no problem. And honestly wasn’t supposed to be apples to apples. More of people deciding is the Honda better to do basic charging of EcoFlow products or better to jump into the EcoFlow ecosystem. The original smart gen I had was for my DP which has moved on as I have the DF now to run my D2M and DP and also Power kit setup in my RV. Having the EcoFlow smart gen allows full integration for full autonomous charging as long as there is fuel. It’s a good gen with a commonly used Yamaha clone MZ-80 engine. While it has its pros it also has a couple cons like higher than normal rpm ranges, no warm up cycle and eco mode doesn’t work in DC charging setup as lowest watt range for DP and larger systems is 1000 watts. Which eco is off at about 800-850 if memory serves.
Definitely a great addition to any EcoFlow ecosystem. But with the few draw backs like mentioned above, oh and the short DC cable makes it still have a couple considerations people should think about before buying one. I so far love it and recommend if you are truly going all in on EcoFlow products. Much like all in on apple if that’s your thing, but it can be used as a stand alone generator if you wanted it for the fancy on and off auto start and shut down while using the app.
I would mind a higher output unit now as charging 10K and above units definitely takes time. And no gen should be ran at full capacity all the time if you expect longevity out of it.
Hybrid mini splits are the best thing since sliced bread..!!
I called up the manufacturer through customer support and the smart Generator requires a gas octane level of 91, I did not see it specified in the manual.
Really good video btw!
I didn’t see a octane level as well but maybe I need to double check. But since they don’t manufacture the engine, and it’s a common Yamaha mz 80 clone engine, every other one of those all run on 87. So unless they did something specifically different 87 should be more than enough for a outdoor power equipment engine.
Thanks you btw as well 😀👍🏼
I was thinking of buying a champion 2500 dual fuel generator as a charging option for my 2 delta pro units. I’ll use only LP (no gas) as a fuel source.
Any reason this would not be a reasonable recharging option?
Thanks.
The smart generator from EcoFlow, now available as also a dual fuel unit as well, does have cool features if using the data. Auto start and stop when needed. Remote control from your phone. It’s definitely pretty cool with all the capabilities that it has. It uses a common Rato 80cc engine. Which is a good off brand engine that has been around a while now.
Now it does have more electronics in it then just about any other generator. And no real long term data yet on how they hold up. I haven’t heard much as far as problems except in extreme cold they have a hard time starting as the battery isn’t super big, so if it needs multiple times to try to start it may not. Kinda depends where your gonna use it and what fuel. There are a couple tricks for cold.
The champion 2500 is also a good unit. But remember if charging AC the unit goes to pass through and you can only use 1800 watts while AC charging. Which at 1800 it wont charge, you get only 1800 when AC to use or charge.
Hope this helps some.
@@johnnysweekends I definitely like the EcoFlow Dual Fuel Generator -- but the price is not justified in my opinion. My Pros are used for occasional outages, and I was going to try to use solar as a recharging option, but the number of panels needed to recharge the Pro is more than I want to mess with. If my logic is correct, I should be able to recharge a Pro unit with the Champion 2500 running on propane in about 2 to 3 hours. I'm here in FL so cold weather is not much of an issue.
Thanks for your reply. BTW, I assume the connection from the Champion to the Pro is simply using the include AC plug that I currently use. Correct?
Ahh got ya. Yea the champion will be lighter as well .And if just for occasional than nothing wrong with the champion as it will be cheaper. All the extra features can add up.
What if you drop the Max DC charging to 1000Watt's? What does the Ecoflow generator rev at then?
Still almost max.
Rpm’s don’t drop till under a 1000 watts or using the Ac is the only way eco mode works
@@johnnysweekendsok. Interesting. I'm waiting on Australia to get the Delta 2 Max. Thats what im buying it for. I wonder how low you can set DC charging on it? I'd prefer it to rev lower.
Do you think it's possible to charge the ECOFlow with a cheap non-inverter generator. Because the load eletronics should be able to handle that right?
It really depends on the generator. Some actually have a decent sine wave that would probably be just fine to charge but since I don’t know what it is or tested it I would advise not unless you really need to
Needs to be a good clean sine wave. Non inverter generators are likely to damage the electronics with distortion on the AC output.
Can I use an ecoflow power station off grid, or is it only for emergency uses?
Many are using it off grid and so far most are having great luck. Some have had a couple issues but that can be with any company or brand. But ECOFLOW does have pretty good customer service and warranty. So far they are doing pretty good for a newer brand..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends thank you very much for the response it is very helpful 😃
My biggest question is can I use the DC charging cable to charge my 48v lifePo solar battery? I want to buy one of these generators and cut the end off the DC charging cable and fit an Anderson plug to charge my 48v batteries, but this DC cable has 6 other tiny communication cables in it. Will it still charge my 48v batteries properly if those other 6 coms cables are just blanked off and the DC +/- are connected to my 48v battery?
Also, what if the lithium battery is dead in the unit, will it still start on the pull cable? And what if I didn't have a smart phone, how can I change the settings?
Your help and advice please!
If you cut the cable the data pins have nothing to connect to and communicate. It’s part of the Ecoflow ecosystem so I don’t think it will work but never tried.
But there are some dc generators coming out.
@johnnysweekends cheers for the reply. I wish someone would try it. Would be a great way of charging 48v solar batteries.
I wonder if it needs those coms cables to put out a charge?
If not, someone smart enough could connect a few of those coms together and add a resistor or diode or something to another and it would work surely. I don't have the smarts to go doing that unfortunately.
Do you ever know of discounts for the honda generator you used in this video?
Honda never has discounts or sales. Only the dealer has about a $25 margin to go up or down from suggested retail. Or if demand is high they can obviously raise the price. Which I have seen units as much as $300 more than normal.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for your quick reply Johnny!
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My ecoflow generator has issues with electric start as it don’t engage this has happened on 3 units now so if you rely on it watch out
On 3 different generators ?
So your saying the starting will just spin and not engage the starter bendix??
@@johnnysweekends yes exactly after regular use of this feature it seems to have a flaw I’m hoping they can fix this issue if enough people recognise it or maybe I’m just very unlucky .
Ho many hours were on each..? I have two the original and dual. Maybe 10 hours between both but no issues as far as starter not engaging…🤔
I mixed up Lucas oil with Lukoil (Russian oil company). I've removed my prior comment.
Thanks for fact checking, one of the reasons I like this company 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I try to remain open to admitting when I make a mistake and correcting immediately.
@FSX239 as do I…😀👊🏼👍🏼
High RPM engines generally don't last as long. My big Onan and Kohler units run under 2k rpm and are 30 years old.
Are those diesel units?
@@johnnysweekends nope they are the same motors in garden tractors and other equipment. Big motors running little (4-6kw) generator heads don't need to spin as fast. Also oil filtration makes a huge service life difference.
Ahh yea totally different animals here. Those will run thousands of hours. This unit here I do t think was intended for the always running but more to supplement solar. So only getting a few hours a day at most. Unless doing severe duty then another unit is recommended.
Do you think the delta pro can be charged with the older eu2000i?
Yea doesn’t matter what ac source or generator. But good idea it’s a inverter gen and obviously 120volt at 60hrz
While I will assume it is a quality product, the lack of charging ports makes it over priced.
It’s not really meant for normal generator things. It’s more meant for the ECOFLOW eco system and charging those devices quickly but you can use the AC port at the same time if you wish
What would you recommend to run a refrigerator, freezer, 2 tvs, portable ac, gas hot water tank, garage door and wifi for a day or 2?
Will dust you wanna find out about how many watts all of that uses. I don’t know the size of the fridge and the freezer and the Ac which are your bigger draws of power.
Then do you want a enclosed frame inverter gen that’s quieter or are you in a area where a open frame Gen will work which is cheaper. Many open frames are inverter as well. Also do you wanna run propane or gas only.
Plus your budget…
@@johnnysweekends OK did the math, looks like 4-5k total watts. Run time is preferable over quietness, both are ideal. Wifi or Bluetooth connectivity/monitoring would be cool too but not necessary.
Unfortunately in that size wifi and Bluetooth don’t really exist yet. Honda has Bluetooth in a couple models and so does ryobi and echo which I’m pretty sure are same manufacturer for those models.
But to get for data and start stop like this smart gen well there are none that I know of in 4500-5000 watt models.
There are dual fuels and remote starts but again wifi and Bluetooth is on smaller units or Hondas big 7000 watt model. Which I do see these used for about $2500 sometimes but that’s rare.
I guess next is do you want dual fuel.
Most of the time I prefer a few champion models the 4500 and 4650 were a couple of the best so far that are quite and longer run times they say a comparable Westinghouse 4500 model.
Both can be gas, dual, pull start, electric or full electric with remote start as well.
Genmax has some nice models coming as well but that could be a few more months at least.
@@johnnysweekends Dual fuel and remote start would be cool. Not sure the advantage of remote start if you have to fill the tank anyways lol
Well you can add extended fuel tanks or add a dual pump that way it draws from a larger fuel cell.
Anything can be done with enough will to never say die!!! 😂
Hallo, mein smard generator startet nach update über die App. der Firmensoftware nicht mehr. Ecoflow hält sich in Schweigen, könnt Ihr mir helfen ??
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It would be interesting to see how much charge you could put into the Delta Pro from each generator. Perhaps with the same amount of gas in each generator and run it until the gas tank is empty. Then compare how much energy was put into the Delta pro.
If I remember the smart gen will do 5.4kw on a full tank of gas..👍🏼
I own an eco flow delta pro, It is pretty amazing. That I can get 1800w from the wall + solar or DC to DC 12/24v inverter @ 450 w. Plus I can charge by solar or by gas generator OR level 2 car chargers.
Unfortunately it's not very efficient. You only get about 85% of the 3600wh. Plus if you only charge it to 95% top off & 5% shut off thats another 10% loss so... You lose 25% right off the bat. Now you're at 2700 wh Real world usable. After spending $2500 on this thing. There's no way i'm spending another $2k On an inferior gas generator. Just so they can talk to each other. Honda and Yamaha are the only way to go for gas generators.
The Ecoflow smart gen has come down in price. And providing dc input means you get full functionality and power of delta pro verses only 1800 watts of using Ac charging and on pass through.
That may not be a big deal but DC charging is 10% more efficient and uses a Yamaha clone engine from Rato which is actually a good engine.
But yes depending on loads and more you get about 85-90% of the capacity of the DP.
But almost every other power station out there is 87-92%
That’s just the way they are.
Also smart gen has come down in price a lot…. See amzn.to/484JVA4
It’s also dual fuel so propane which is cleaner and safer which Honda does not offer.
= to have a worm hole?
Oh I’m lost with this??
Just wait until power back on
Doesn’t really work that way lol
Hondas 2200w max. Compared to 1800w.
True but only for a limited amount of time which could be 10 mins or maybe up to 30 mins. But overall rated at 1800.
But of course the ECOFLOW smart gen now available in a dual fuel does so much more. But it’s really meant for the ECOFLOW ecosystem 👍🏼
Loving your videos just got a delta pro and the generator. But I’m in the uk. Thanks for your videos
You’re welcome and love the Channel name. That’s cool 👍🏼😀
The Biggest Difference between the HONDA and everyone else is: a. Honda has a 125 CC engine - and - most other Generators are bout 80 cc engines. This makes the smaller engine run higher RPMs and more Gas .... Also the larger engine makes the Honda More reliable over-all. (B.) to have a HONDA it's about TWICE THE PRICE. but it's BETTER longer lasting.
The Honda does have a copilot advantages and disadvantages.
It’s a 121cc engine that’s a belt drive verses say the Yamaha is old and push rod. People seem to not like the belt but I don’t hear of them breaking much.
On a fuel efficiency test the Yamaha and it’s 80cc engine was more fuel efficient under same loads but about equal at max.
Both of the units run about the same price but the ECOFLOW has a certain purpose.
@@johnnysweekends - Buying one I think depends somewhat on how often you will use them.
.... I want to buy a Honda for a long time, but I don't think I'd use it very often & that seems to be what Breaks ANY of the Generators regardless of Brand.
..... The Hondas were made to run a lot.
..... and most of the cheaper versions will break if you use them too much (so it seems on my research.)
...... anyway 100 videos later I'm still not sure what to buy.
...... USED
The Honda when it comes to performance by numbers does the best. But it’s prone to problems like all of them especially the newer ones it seems. I’m in a couple Honda forms and they complain to of issues.
When it comes to used I have no issue buying a used one and saving money but you don’t get a warranty. No biggie if you can fix your self which most things are carb issues.
The Honda is nice but unfortunately over priced it seems and the glory days of Honda grand May be behind them.
@@johnnysweekends Damn! That's sad to hear about.
I'm either mr. to fix-it or MR. Break-It forever kind of guy. I try to avoid fixing things until I have no choice as it means it's my last resort before hunting a replacement.
Lol I understand 👍🏼
Do you trust this modernhouseusa company? looks shady site. Serious question i want to get one of these.
I have been in contact with them since I started my affiliation with them.
There are a few on here now that have bought and received there units and shipping was quick. Also depends on supply as they get popular and come and go.
But yes so far everyone seems to be happy with them. I haven’t heard negative from them.
I agree the site is pretty standard. But I bought my unit from them before the affiliation and everything was great and a good deal…👍🏼
Hence why I talked with them..😀👍🏼
Don't see any significant advantages of the "smart" generator - so, the Honda generator wins in my opinion!
True the Honda is a tough act to beat. But I’m not sure if you know what this does. It’s really part of the ECOFLOW ecosystem. With auto start and stop technology and now a dual fuel model you technically don’t have to touch it to recharge your battery bank. Except for fuel.
@@johnnysweekends ok i see - now i understand how the smart generator comes in handy for continuous long power outage situations. for most people, they are only concerned with brown-out situations.
Well it depends you would be surprised how many are starting to use these for off grid builds, Rv groups and other countries as well. For most people in the states a basic unit is all you need unless you want to start a off grid journey or want cool shit..! 😂👍🏼
RPM alone don't mean anything. A semi-truck runs at 700rpm while a Porsche 911 cruises at 4000 rpm, yet the semi is far less efficient. I bet the honda has a bigger volume engine.
Look at which needs more maintenance, the Porsche by a 1000 times. The less revolutions per minute the less wear on cylinder, piston rings, springs valves crank, bearings and more.
3600 to 4000 is ideal for max rpm after that your over spinning in this catagory.
But will see how long it lasts.
Spending to much time on the sound, tell me about the unit.
Ok here is a little more detailed info on two units
ECOFLOW Delta Pro and Smart Generator Real World Experience!
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The Adapter to connect this generator to the Delta Pro no longer comes with the Delta Pro. How do I know??? I just purchased $8,400 worth of EcoFlow equipment and I didn’t receive an adapter. EcoFlow says, they no longer give the adapter free. They want me to pay an extra $70 plus tax and shipping to make this Generator a Smart generator. What a bunch of bull sh#t. F this company. What am I supposed to do with this smart generator that can’t communicate to the Delta Pro. Doesn’t that make this a dumb generator only it’s louder and cost more than most generator of its class. Out of the box this thing sucks until you pay more money. 👎🏼 an absolute fail in my book.
I agree I’m honestly not to impressed unless you specifically utilize it for that one feature only which is the auto on and off. Other then that it’s nothing special and I think is prone to fail sooner then other units.
And yes it’s loud!!
I agree! I also purchased the Delta Pro and the smart generator. Looked everywhere for that small adapter, b'cause the instructions depict & describe it. Called EF, and the customer service person told me that when buying through CostCo, that adapter is not included (?!?!?!) WTH??? That is the reason I purchased it! What BS! I bought it, but am not happy about it!
It should be included or included with the smart gen I guess since you need it for that. Lame you have to buy it separate now.
@@johnnysweekends I agree. EcoFlow reach out to me after some one from their company read the review that I left on Amazon. They changed their minds and sent me the adapter. However, to the best of my knowledge adapter still does not ship with the generator or the Delta Pro for free.
It needs to be included with the generator because if you buy the generator you can’t even use it..🤷♂️
So either have a direct plug in or include the adapter with one of the units. That’s shady for sales.
Test is meaningless without actually testing the fuel efficiency. That's what we are hear to watch.
What fuel efficiency test do you want. And up against what that is comparable?
Let me know
@@johnnysweekends Put 1 gallon of fuel exactly to both Honda and Ecoflow and test how much watt does each charge to Ecoflow battery. Is Ecoflow generator actually 10 percent more efficient in charging battery vs honda.
I can tell you now that it’s not. It will burn more fuel because of the excessive high rpm’s the ECOFLOW generator runs at.
I have done this test before with other units and even though ECOFLOW has a smaller 80cc engine, and Honda has a 121cc once both at higher rpm or full load they test came out almost identical. But that Yamaha engine also turned less rpm. So up the rpm and now you will burn more fuel then the Honda of both at at full load. Even at 60% I bet the ECOFLOW does worse due to Honda low idle and low load rpm.
But it would be a decent test and I don’t need a gallon I can simply use a measured amount of fuel but the power station would also have to be at the same charge percentage that way it can draw the same. Of course I can set it as well.
I’ll look into it. Probably be about 2-3 weeks.
It’s more energy efficient to just use the gas Honda generator 😂🤦🏻♂️ you lose efficiency if you use a gas generator to charge a BATTERY then power up things with the battery. Just use the Honda.
Depends what you are trying to accomplish. The smart gen can put out ac or Dc power. Which Dc to Dc is more efficient plus with auto start features and solar it’s way more efficient then gas, sometimes. Once so do is full solar maintains and then the smart gen can kick on and off as needed. Verses the Honda must stay running, always.
I think the us should give ecoflow to Ukraine power grind loss as a gift I want war peace lol
Would be nice lol
To much hands
Hands 🙌🏼
Buy a Honda it's better quality especially at these price points ecoflow is extremely overpriced
Big fraud !!!! Review is in favor of Honda ....
Ecoflow is CLASS A ..
Honda is fraud or ECOFLOW ..?
The ecoflow Generator seems to have been built specifically to charge their batteries. It lacks additional AC outlets which limits its use for general purposes. It also charges the delta Pro on DC, so you use/draw power from the delta pro while charging. You can’t do that while charging with AC. Again, supporting the fact that the ecoflow generator was optimized for use with ecoflow products and not general use. The review did not favor the Honda, he simply pointed out the narrow ranged usage of the Ecoflow generator.
The generator was built for a purpose, I think it could have been built a little more universal. And also a lot quieter as the thing goes from zero to max with no warm up or anything. And over all with the engine reving higher then any small generator even larger ones it will cause premature wear and adds to the overall sound/tone and db level of this unit.
The could have easily found another way to put out the same amount of watts at a lower rpm.
Biggest thing is on a cold 40 degree morning or colder, nothing like having the generator start and idle for about oh 1 second and go straight to 5000 rpm.
Again the idea is great. And allows you to use full functions of the delta pro.
Verses the Honda will charge the pro and run items as a pass through but only to a certain wattage.
Thanks for the comment ..👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends I totally agree and don't know why someone screams "fraud". If the Ecoflow is much louder than a Eu20/22 from Honda, then it's a major drawback. If the engine is this small, the higher RPM will mean more wear. I really was trying to find a good (enough) reason to get the Ecoflow. But at the End, the increased noise, small engine and the questionable longevity make me lean to stay away from it. Even though I like the Electric Start option. If one wants to implement it in Ecoflow infrastructure, I see advantages, but if one needs a Generator for multiple applications (which could include supporting a Battery Bank), I guess a Honda ist the better option... Sadly, because electric start/stop (with a remote function) makes much sense in some applications.
The Honda is a great little power house unit but with some limitations like any unit. The EcoFlow smart gen really is packed with features and thought out well for the intended use. But i still dont like that eco mode is basically useless and it starts and goes right up to engine rpm when plugged into any EcoFlow product. It’s works for ac modes on low watt draws but i don’t recommend this unit unless you own EcoFlow products and want to expand you EcoFlow ecosystem. The original comment guy, well like any place you find comments you have trolls as well.