TONEX PEDAL - is this The One? Does Kemper have a future?
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- čas přidán 19. 02. 2023
- You betcha, it's a full assessment of the new IK Multimedia ToneX pedal, with a juicy music demonstration.
TONEX Pedal: bit.ly/3kojtNZ
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TONEX Plugin: bit.ly/3Z6tQ7O
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- The song is an instrumental version of this: • Liv Austen - How Thing... which I made with my wife
- MY WEBSITE: www.jonwright.co.uk. - Hudba
Forget the tonex or kemper or any of that. This dudes playing...man. Thank you for your creative contributions to the world. Being able to manage your sounds on the fly and remain consistently on fire with your technique, absurd and terrifying and wonderful.
Oh man that's very kind. I feel the playing is kind of janky and it was all a bit of a 'that'll do' rush. So I appreciate the encouragement!
yeah he is good
What you SAID, the actual most important part. he does know how to Record a REAL NICE TRACK. The layering is super.
Agreed.
First track is haunting.
I cant get over how well these videos are made. Brilliant playing, of course, but also the feeling, camerawork and lighting. Great to watch, thank you!
That's really appreciated, thank you
woah. the videography, the tones, the playing, you deserve all the success you're gonna get with this channel!
That’s very kind. I think it’s consistent video output that’s the most difficult thing for me
+1 for The Gold Standard™for Video Production!
@@JonWrightMusicTV That's the main reason why i didn't jump into a YT channel of my owm, u know.. I didn't want to HAVE to make a video, just for the sake of putting it out and keeping the Logs going...
Judging from what u present(ed) here.. , and this is the 1st time i watch a video of yours..... i would stick to whatever you want to say.. and not worry about numbers..
I've been following quite a few guys that dove into this, a few years ago... and focused on quality. And their numbers are growing.. whilst others burn out too quickly.
Honestly, as a hot / "impulsed" feedback i wanna give you.. right now.. is that i wish that we lived close to each other. Perhaps we could collaborate on some of these videos. U seem to have sort of complementary approach to what i would have.
So, all the best in the world. Don't give up, keep at it.. whatever little videos a month you're able to put out.
Like me, there will be those who have subscribed, and will listen to whatever you have to say, whenever you will be able to say it ;) .
Kudos from Portugal Jon
PS: that E-H Soul Food sounds brilliant , despite the lack of loudness that might be put out.
OMG!!! What an awesome demo! No matter what plugin you play, with your fingers everything sounds awesome!!! Unbelievable good tone! That's the secret of your great sound.
That's really kind Dirk, thanks!
Best demo and explanation of this pedal yet. Thank you!
Thanks!
Even though this particular product doesn't interest me, I'm super stoked to see you back! Your videos look amazing and you're a charming presenter. This channel deserves to be way bigger.
Thank you so much!!
Stunning mate. Makes me happy to see you still doing your thing, hope you guys are well x
We are thanks mate, and likewise. So lovey to hear from you! x
sounds killer with or with out delay, exquisite playing sir. just got a tonex absolutely blown away
Bet you feel like a Kid in a Candy Store. IT is amazing.
Cheers Qual!
Wow I am blown away by the your demo song. Really top notch playing and mixing.
Ah man, thank you very much
I came for the ToneX pedal. Got blown away by that intro track. I loved the video and your straight to the point approach. Subbed 🤟
Thanks man, welcome to the club. Expect approximate one video every two months 😂
@@JonWrightMusicTV No problem. I'll keep watching this one over and over 😂. Seriously, it was that good.
nice playing, nice tones - I enjoyed that - thanks for sharing!
Thanks for listening
Great video Jon. To the point, honest, and extremely informative. Thank you!
Thank you sir, that's always the aim
Jon, thanks for this video I've been kinda thinking about picking up the Tonex pedal for a while you just convinced me, I have a lot of the same pedals so now I'am all in ,anyway great job and crazy good playing!!!
Did you go for it in the end?
Nice vid, nice playing, nice tones. No over the top wrestling style commentary. I dig it. Subbed and looking forward to more from the channel.
Nice to have you Tim, and thanks for the kind words
I’ve been looking into the tonex and kemper player.. stumbled upon this review.
Your phrasing and tone are delightful 👏🏼
Fantastic tones. My Tonex pedal arrives later today. Can't wait!
Enjoy!
Thanks for the video, great introduction. Got mine ordered, looking forward to integrate it with my Line 6 Helix. Especially for recording, got to work through tons of amp sounds then... 😂. But it's indeed an amazing deal. About the placing of Reverb and Delay, never bothered me in the Helix or Fractal, there usually always place them after amp and cap with mic...
Thanks man. Yep, broadly agree with what you’re saying there, NBD
Great video Jon - EPIC playing in the intro - WooooooooOOOOHHH!!
Bless you man! Appreciate the support x
Thx for this video! I own both a Kemper and a newly purchased ToneX pedal with the software running on my computer. I love both in terms of quality of amp captures. But in terms of speed, I profiles 12 amp profiles while ToneX was working on only one in the same time. In addition to that I think the two products are not comparable, because the Kemper is a one-stop-shop, while the ToneX pedal is only one modular component that doesn't have all the Kemper features.
Don't disagree with you here
Just subbed, amazing content, love your delivery and mannerisms
Love you too Danny!
The presence of a loop and a balanced output (XLR) would make this pedal an absolute winner
Strongly agree
A loop would cost money (extra ADDA converters) and would add latency (ok, no need to discuss that...), but most of all with those extra connections IKMM would have to come up with a new housing and PCB instead of using those of the X-Gear series - which is probably the main reason why they can offer this thing for so little money.
I rather wish it was smaller.
the freaking FX Loop that people everytime forget, it's so simple, IK just would put some freaking FXLoop on something if they made a 2k euro machine.
Why an fx loop? Just out modulations delays and reverbs after it and that's it.
Winter NAMM 2025 Tonex MKII 😅
Amazing playing and great tone. I'm planning on getting a Tonex to run with my Helix at home and with my HX Stomp when I'm on the go.
Thanks v much. Nice combo
This was fun to watch. By that I mean: yes, great info, but I really enjoyed the presentation style. It made me smile. :)
Ah that’s cool. Glad you enjoyed it!
Cracking video Jon!!!
All hail JNC! Thanks mate
If the effects after the mic are really a problem, you could run the presets without an IR simulation in the ToneX, then go out, through all your effects, and then into a CAB M for your IR. That would simulate a traditional amp setup, and you get some of the best IR simulation and control together with this amazing ToneX modelling.
I hear you, but this effects loop/IR thing is something I’m going to cover in another video
2 Month ago i bought the Ampero Hotone 2 and never looked back to my amp. I integrated my whole pedalboard around that device and i‘m more than happy 👌🏼
Happy days!
i came for the demo but stayed for the music! dude wtf you came out of nowhere with some amazing playing!
You're very kind man, thanks
Love your play and demo so much! You can use a foot controller like MIDI Captain to save all your hand tuning works during your play. Checked for Strymon Flint you just need a MIDI-EXP to do connect :)
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah I've set up complex switching/control systems before. For this it was just a bit of a jam though and trying to demonstrate the 'live' knob twiddling possible with stomp boxes vs a Kemper/all in one unit
Dude...that was a great track, smoked it🔥 Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife FWIW)...
@@JonWrightMusicTV Ahh I see now! Really great stuff you guys are doing!!
How did I just now find your channel? Very well done! Subscribed!
You’re here now and that’s what counts.
just found the channel, love the playing in this intro badass!
Welcome aboard! Thank you
I have no issue with having to delays in the signal chain after the cab sim, as I typically prefer that sound (delays in DAW) but they will tend to sound brighter with all other things being equal, because the cab IR will roll off high end. But a good analog delay will be doing that anyway, or an eq setting could account for that even on digital delay.
Yep, it’s not a huge deal breaker
I just started researching the Tonex. Just wow! THIS was the presentation to see! Thank you!
You're so welcome!
@@JonWrightMusicTV From your review, I then researched several others! I then pulled the trigger and got one! Joy of joys! Absolutely spectacular technology! Wow do I wish I had had one of these back on the road with my Band in the 1970's! But better late than never on this end of life too! Again, my sincere thanks for your very highly entertaining effort! Highest regards and best wishes!
U are a master of your craft my friend. I thoroughly enjoyed 😉
Thank you so much 😀
Subscribed. Amazing stuff~
Awesome, thank you!
Great video!!! Very useful x
Glad it was useful!!
You could use a Captor X after the board before your DI, which would enable you to put your delay and reverb before the cab/mic IR if you like, but it sounds good either way.
Be nice if it was all in one box though wouldn't it...
@@JonWrightMusicTV Agree. However, I have been using mine on my pedalboard in loop 2 of the GT1000 core anyway, which enables me to put pedals before or after it in any order I like. So it hasn’t been a deal breaker for me yet. But yes, it would have been nice if they included it. Maybe v2 will someday.
The feeling that you pour into your playing is spectacular. Incredibly expressive. I was captivated & totally forgot that this was a product review.
Don't froget the incredible video editing. Do you think this was done in one take?
That's really kind, thank you. I try to make music that I actually care about.
Each different sound was one take each, except the solo: I dropped in for the fast bit which is why the camera angle changes there
That sounds awesome brother! I think the digital and analog have smeared their existences as one! LOL I've used solid-state gear my entire life, even in this preamp that had two 12x7 tubes in it! So I put two of the AMT Solid-State Warm Stone 12sWS to replace the tubes! It sounds 100% better than ever too! Tube amps have been ancient technology since the 80's anyways!
great tone,,and sound demo is very awsome ...
Excellent video and explanations! thanks
Thanks man
Cheers dude, nice playing!
Thanks man
Considering the pedal is very inexpensive (relative to your board anyway), you could use with modeled pre amps after your drive and a second one modeling power amps at the end of the chain.
That would imply creating your own profiles but I think it's be a fun process. + one can control the other via midi (I guess)
That's definitely a consideration!
I have always run stereo effects after whichever amp modeler I’m using and never had an issue. This looks like a good sound upgrade from the Iridium or HX Stomp which I have been using.
Same really. Nothing wrong with fx post-cab. I'd say that's a pretty solid assessment of it overall!
I use my Tonex with a Headrush gig board . Guitar into the Headrush, using the head rushes effects. Just like you would with an amp (pre and post). I run the Tonex thru the effects loop of the Headrush. Complete heaven. I used to run an Ampere Stomp 2 in place of the Headrush gig board because of the size, however the Headresh effects dominated so had to sacrifice with bigger unit. Plus I can set separate stomps per scene. Great stuff!
That is exactly what I was thinking of doing
It's a cool solution!
I am only a few minutes in, just listening to the music, and had to give a like already. Awesome jam!
Much appreciated!
Effects loops were added to guitar amps to approximate what it's like when you add modulation/time effects to a recorded guitar sound (post microphone) in the studio.
Great video. I just bought the Tonex software, so I'm hoovering up reviews, of which yours is the best I've seen. As far as the whole after mic effects thing, even though it seems that maybe it's not really an issue, have you tried turning off the Cab on the Tonex and putting your FX post Tonex amp and then using some other plugin like TwoNotes Wall of Sound or their still in Beta, Genome for your cab/ mic setup? Actually, you could probably just use the Tonex software plugin for your cab. I'm thinking from a studio point of view; for live that might be too much and not worth the bother.
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah that's a potential solution but it's a faff isn't it.
Took me 3 watches of the intro song to finally get into the demo. What a great song!
Ah thank you! That's nice to read. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife)...
When I first got the POD 20 some odd years ago, for practice and learning, I was in heaven for $250 ! I've been waiting all this time for the newest, cost effective, unit, that I could practice and play live with, for around the same money. Its here. The nice thing is that my grand niece is getting interested in guitar, not because of me funny enough, but through osmosis at school and through friends. She's 11. Imagine going through your entire guitar playing life, with one unit, and being 95% satisfied (or more) ? How much money have you spent over your lifetime on gear? How much would you have spent if life hadn't got in the way? I'll be watching and waiting to see if my grand niece becomes more interested, and I'll sweeten the experience at just the right time, first with a good guitar, then an excellent guitar setup, and perhaps my old POD, all in stages of course. Perhaps it will go somewhere, we'll see...
I love this! Sounds like your niece has a good path to becoming a shredder.
Haven't things come a long way. I remember that kidney bean monster! What a nice starting point if it makes its way to your niece
15 seconds into the video, already subscribed. Must be a record for me.
Thanks mate!
Very professional video. The introduction looks and sounds really good. Did you do all of this camera work and editing yourself?
Hey Mike, thank you. Yes indeed. Recording with three cameras shooting 4K does lead to a bit of a ‘that’ll do’ when it comes to the takes!
Great playing man
Cheers!
It's a great, detailed video. A year later, do you still like it? Do you still find it as good as you thought last year?
I honestly do. I sold my Kemper a few months later, and use the ToneX live. Now that the Tonex One is out, I use that.
that intro orchestration was absolutely breathtaking dude wtf. new subscriber in Australia !
Thank you man!
Great video, great intro tune
Thanks 👍
I have to say that tune is just killer \_/ love it mate . I had KEMPER and Helix sold both couldn’t justify the cost ….. still kept the Mesa Mark IV Marshall JCM SLX VOX AC30 just FEEL of these can’t be beat …..having say that TONEX looks like a great budget solution for a quick grab and go silent stage studio practice deals \_/ Cheers
Thanks! It's a reworked version of a record I made with my wife Liv called 'How Things Change' 👍
At this price point, I see players possibly buying 2 units.... running wet dry or stereo. You have a backup unit if one goes down and you still spent half the price of a Kemper or Quad Cortex. Then profile your own collection of drive pedals and build them into the presets so u can carry a mini to medium sized pedalboard with the 2 units, delay, reverb, modulation, and a midi controller/switcher.
Or using one unit to FOH and one to feed a cab on stage... I want a dual unit - the ToneXL
Great channel, I just subscribed!
Cheers Barry!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I haven't watched every review of the Tonex pedal. But I have watched quite a few. Yours is the first that shows you can play at bedroom sound levels. There's a lot of us bedroom guitarists, and that's an important feature. Thank you for that!
Yes, and I should probably have made a bit more of that. With the right sound it's really quite satisfying in the room even at normal volumes
The only real catch with the ToneX, which is the same issue with the Kemper, and that's that it only has a mono input, and you can only use one amp profile. Obviously only minor complaints though.
I agree. I'd like a ToneX Pro with dual amps and an FX loop - imagine that's going to be a bigger box and extra processing though...
Hi Jon, great video. It makes me really fancy having a Tonex and replacing my Helix with it. How is the feel though? Does it feel like an amp in the finger tips? Helix does feel pretty dead, that's one of the main reasons I'm looking for something else. Thank you!
Tough one to answer Leandro! I personally have never got along with the Helix amps at all, so I'd say it's a step up BUT I don't know whether it's the difference you're looking for. The lack of feel you're experiencing might be to do with monitoring, sound in the room, latency, or something else, that may not be cured by the Tonex. However I do find the Helix to feel kind of dead so maybe it's worth a try. Affiliate link in description 😆
at 5:26 there is a pretty great side arm shot. Amazing playing btw. But that side arm is next level. subbed for more vids, hopefully more side arm. Would you consider using your side arm for ad space? For real though, that intro solo is nuts and I will be back for more. Great content.
Thanks Jay! Worry not: all the while I'm filming myself, recordings guitar tracks, with 2-3 cameras, and needing to cut away to hide an edit, there is a high chance there will be arm shots.
Great video! I dig your sarcastic humor. Do you not use the noise gate? I always have to remove that hum and static white noise, especially from single coils. Anywho... my Tonex is arriving soon and can't wait! Cheers!
Enjoyed your video. Cheers.
Thank you! Cheers!
Man this Tonex is a beast but you're actually giving it everything to sounds good; you play so nice the guitar bro.
Thanks man, I'm trying
Hey! I have a question:
Do I need the Tonex pedal to be able to use my pedalboard with tonex or can i use my pedalboard with the tonex plug-in somehow? I don’t play guitar live since I’m mainly a drummer so I’m thinking of selling my deluxe reverb tonemaster and use tonex when I record guitar instead.
You could run your pedalboard into your interface for sure. Not to be an IK advertisement but for convenience you could consider Amplitube which has a stompbox-amp-cab-room workflow all ITB. It's a cost, but the stomps and studio effects are good. Or stick with the board you have and just run into the Tonex plugin
I love my kemper for live playing - in the room - using their Kones - the QC doesn't sound that great in the room (nice on Monitors). So does the Tonex play real in the room - or sounds like a miked up amp (great for monitor and recording).
I ran the ToneX through a DXR10 in the room (with the 'FOH" eq switch engaged) while I was recording and found it quite vibey. I do exactly the same with the Kemper and preferred the ToneX BUT it's not the same as the Kone. I think if you just don't like profiles through FRFR speakers, this will not be very different. As always though, a great speaker and a great profile/tone model that works for you, should be pretty sweet
Thanks for the excellent video! I get what you mean, someone used to the feel of the poweramp envelope giving FX a little more glue in the mix could probably notice as they'd sit differently according to how loud you hit it. On the stereo matter I'll be honest, I really wish everything post-preamp was stereo, from fx loop to poweramp and cab/reverb IRs, I go nuts with it🤣
Thanks, I know I'm not the only one... Yeah what you're describing would be the ideal for me also, but would also ramp up cost and complexity so... swings and roundabout
Whoo boy that solo SLAPPED. You earned the guitarist bend face I made for. Sure.
Thanks for recognising the bend face. It was a good 2-step one and hurt ever so slightly
Nice playing dude!
Cheers!
Effects being after cab (impulse response) is definitely not a big deal considering that's how the vast majority of albums are produced. Most mixers prefer using stuff like SoundToys or Eventide plugins in their DAW nowadays.
Love Soundtoys for guitars in the studio. But there's just something slightly different about delays and reverbs hitting the power amp and being shaped by the speaker alongside the dry signal, to just applying affects to the final guitar tone - in the room, it's just a bit different. NBD as you say, but I think it's worth being aware of
@@JonWrightMusicTV My solution is to conec in the Fx loop of my Hx stomp (that i have) And the Tonex is on his way home. Can't wait 🤤
Not completely true. I rarely place time based effects in series after a cab. I use aux sends instead for recording which is the more traditional way of doing it. If I was to use this live I’d have to have a switcher with a parallel path or a mixer.
EVH even live applied effects after the cabinet. He had a mic’d cab for his dry sound and also went into a attenuator and cab sim then to wet effects. So, definitely most sounds you hear, a lot even live, are after cabinet.
Time based effects can be swapped with IR without any real effects on the signal.
It cannot however be swapped with an actual cab/mic sequence (there will be some difference). IR however is NOT a cab and mic. It is a very good simulation of cab and mic. You can move the delays and verbs up and down the chain with ir, you'll be fine.
Great intro!
Cheers man! Link to the original is in description if you're interested
I never had a Kemper or Helix. I was going to get one, start checking out stuff and I seen this pedal and just ordered it tonight. Man I am excited! I did the PODxt modeling years ago and I just went back to pedals after it took a dump and I lost EVERYTHING in seconds! ,... because I enjoy the dance of pedals.
Ah the Pod XT... probably a blessing in disguise! I'm with you, I love pedals and the immediacy of them - hope the ToneX works out for you
@@JonWrightMusicTV It will be here Monday from zZounds. I'm still keeping my big amps and pedals. But I am going to hopefully be able to do some videos again and record better sound with the TONEX. Micing cabs and recording them is not my thing and not very consistent if a mic moves.
This sold me! For a live show should I use a powered speaker? I know I can do straight to the board too
Personally I would, as I like the physical interaction of the speaker and the strings. Make it feel more like a real amp...
I'm running my ToneX in the loop of my HX Stomp with the cab sim on the ToneX globally turned off - in that way, I can pre-amps and post-amp effects in the Stomp, with the ToneX just providing the amp tones. If want to a cab sim, I can use the cabs/IRs on the Stomp, but since at the end of my chain I've got a Blackstar Amped-1, I can go straight to a guitar cab and/or use the cab-sims on the Blackstar itself with the XLR out.
That's a nice compact solution!
How does it sound with cab from stomp compare to tonex?
At the moment, I've no put the ToneX through anything that requires a cab sim as I'm going into a poweramp and real guitar cabinet, so I honestly couldn't say.
see I used to play an Iridium and since I go to a poweramp and onto a guitar speaker cab, I turned cab sim off on the Iridium. sounded better to me. So I'd expect to be turning off cab sim on the Tonex and stick wet fx between Tonex and poweramp.
Does the ToneX do acoustic patches like the Kemper does? I need to be able to switch and really dislike having multiple boards to contend with.
Yes this is a good point, thank you! I'm sure there is (or will be) a 'channel strip' tone model. You can certainly deactivate the cab part so although I haven 't tried it, I think you should be good to get a pretty neutral sound, and with the Depth and Presence controls plus the EQ, the tone shaping options should be decent. But I can't promise that.
This tune is so good. Amazing.
Glad you like. Link in description!
Great video and great playing..
I don’t know what I am doing wrong but my drive pedals sound absolutely shit in front of the tonex in comparison to my twin reverb..
When playing at home it sounds ok but in a band situation the difference between real amp and tonex is big..
I have this now and again and I think for me it’s a perceptual thing. When experimenting with amps and pedals, the variation in sound can be so vast that moving between them is jarring and some pedals just don’t go with some amps. What do you experience when you move to a band situation?
Great fingers amd great tones. 👍👍
Thank you, they're my own!
You do have an exceptionally beauifull speaking voice, Sir. Thank you for the great info. Very, very useful! You deserve five digit subs. Many greetings!
Thanks for the kindly words! Glad it was useful
Not even in the market for this box (have a Simplifier DLX) but this is some of the best and most interesting music I've heard in a video like this. Not many people have taste and production chops like this on youtube.
Thanks man. It's a real song that I produced and I repurposed the backing for this. Link in description if you want to hear the alternative version (sung by my wife FWIW)...
How do u like th DLX? I also have the DLX and I’m thinking to try the ToneX. If it’s good it’s staying, if it isn’t that different, I’ll just send it back
Really wish this had either or a trs input or an effects loop. That would have made it integrate with any pedal board. If you want to use it as an interface as it is designed, everything has to go prior to the input of the ToneX. Same for using it with pedals and headphones. For me it's a big miss. For others maybe just fine.
TRS input would have been great. As you say, some won't care and without knowing what percentage of people want to run it they'd be doubling the required processing power to have dual signals, which means cost. But yeah, I feel ya!
I will be waiting to see if IK multimedia addresses these issues in a Quick fashion, Maybe a slightly higher prices PRO unit, which addresses what they missed this 1st time. And watching to see if they work to keep up with support.
Hi. Great description of the pedal. A question...if it comes with Amplitube5...it's possible to "charge" the plugin FXs (...Distortion,DLY, Modulation,etc) in the pedal presets for Live use? Thanks!
Nope. Afraid not. Just amps
Really beautiful guitar playing!!!!
Thanks a lot!
@@JonWrightMusicTV i use totally different approach though, which you could check out on Sheer Cerebral Power(the band I produce) „Sucker Punch‘d“… that is basically my 96 Diezel Blueface VH4 via Cabclone into my UAD 6176 Preamp….
As a backup, our guitar player is using Boss IR200 in his pedalboard. All stompboxes thru this device and when playing thru real amp, Boss has everthing off (amp, cab, reverb). When real amp is useles (little pubs) he just has to push 3 buttons and Boss do the job.
Super flexible rig!
Thx man. Subscribed!
Welcome! Thank you!
Man that solo is truly awesome. Is there some place to listen to the whole track?
Thanks man. The original track is linked in the description (I recorded and produced it)
good one Jon !
Cheers!
Had the exact same experience. Now ToneX is into my AxefxIII loop. Using AxefxIII IR
MIDI sync between them?
@@JonWrightMusicTV yes
did you feel the amps felt or sounded better than your axe fx iii ones? I'm thinking about using tonex to add as an fx block to my fm3 so I can have dual amp setups..
@@leifpearson5205 yes I must admit tonex sounds MUCH closer to real amps... BUT AF3 amps still are very good to. in my case Tonex gives me the right feel of my slo and JP2C
beautiful cinematography
Thanks man
Thanks for the info.
It's never going to replace the Kemper for me live... but I'm not a pro, only semi. The ToneX seems to be quite a different beast. I now have two Kempers, one powered, and I got a Stage for redundancy - I sold a Helix LT to get it.
ToneX really needs a 'plus plus' version that encapsulates what the Kemper has, for live use, for me to ever consider it. I really don't want masses of pedals, for example, I never use my own OCD anymore, and the other KPA effects are absolutely good enough for me... Perhaps they will produce something like that one day.
I think the ToneX will sit well maybe in an HX Stomp environment? Or full pedal board, I don't know. As for the tones themselves, I accept yours (and others') opinion that it is 'better', but Joe Public is never going to notice that level of distinction. I suspect it's more appropriate to make those distinctions in a studio environment. I just search for and find the profiles that sound fabulous, inspire me, and like I'm playing through a 'real' amp.
A thought - delays after the speakers should be Ok in most cases, I would imagine... don't they record that way in studios (record a full signal chain dry, add ambients after)?
What concerns me more really is that there are now a couple of mooted 'Kemper Killers' out there now (e.g. QC), but Kemper themselves have gone VERY quiet. They need to up their game perhaps and find a voice again to counter the competition. I am happy to take their excellent OS and Rig Manager updates, but what next? What are they up to?? I can't help wondering!
Yes, I wonder what Kemper are up to. They're a stubborn bunch but surely a Kemper mini would make sense...
Kemper is as good as the profiles you're using. And it is an all in one solution. Comparing apples and oranges could never make this a "Kemper killer".
@@JonWrightMusicTV 100%. I've had my Kemper for about 5 years and never used the actual profiler element of it. Also never used the MIDI at all, but I know some folk will. I use it live (into FOH desk and monitor) and for recording (SPDIF out). I'd happily take a cut-down version of it.
I'm detecting a tinge of influential contemporary flavors of David Gilmour in your soundscape, and I mean that in the BEST way possible.
Wicked tones mate.
Cheers!
One option: Disable the cabs and IRs- removing the mic modeling-and run through delay/reverb. Use an IR pedal (like the one from TwoNotes) at the end of the chain. Not perfect, but it’ll get you pretty close and still within budget compared to the alternatives.
Absolutely. It would just be GREAT if it were contained within one relatively affordable pedal!
I was just thinking that and run it into the effects return of my real amp.
You are absoutely wrong about the non clicky like button, how would you know how loud it was when I smashed it?!
Thank you, that gave me a lot of good information. I have an IR-200, but I will be selling it. Sounds great, stereo and all - but it only takes distortion pedals in front with really low gain settings, which is less than ideal for my usecase
Yet more misinformation on CZcams! Apologies for misleading
I play my modelers through a power amp and a guitar cabinet. I am planning on switching from Line 6 modelers to the Tonex Pedal. Ideally, I would use Amp only models, buy it looks like most models include the cab. How well does it handle "removing" the cab?
I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this Steve - I haven't experimented with it. Amplitube allows you to mix and match amps and cabs really well - I know that IK's modelling/capture processes are pretty complex when they're making those amp packs. That said, you can get ToneX tone models that are amp only and you just pair it up to a cab, so they seem pretty confident. Maybe someone else knows?
Top top playing and top review. I'm still confused about how to use the Tonex pedal at home with an amp...can you plug it into a guitar amp or do you have to have a different kind of amp..eg flat response amp?
Thanks. Yeah you can do that - you'd bypass the cab/use just preamps, and go into the effects return on the amp. Although, you're not using one of the most important features of the pedal IMO.
Have only had brilliant experience with kemper repair shop. Freight is cheap as chips if you use a broker like parcelmonkey or similar etc. definitely intrigued by tonex though. Shame it doesn’t have a poweramp.
The sound quality is amazing man!!!
Im new in this pedal world and dont understand some things (hope you guys can help me).
The Tonex just "captures" real amps and you can bring the presets of the plugin to the gig, but just the amp, no fx right??
It is not a modeler, you cant have a preset on the Tonex pedal with delay or reverb, you have to put a delay pedal after de output or the Tonex or so right??
Im thinking on buying this pedal or the Hotone Ampero stomp, what do you recomend me??
Thanks🔥🔥
In these answer help anyone else....
Yes just the amp, no effects except reverb.
You add effects before or after the ToneX.
I don't know the Ampero, but I think the Tonex is very good