FA-18C Hornet: Carrier CASE I (1) Approach & Landing Tutorial | DCS WORLD
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I am still very far from all these procedures. I am still learning to land on deck. 2 months ago I just performed touch and gos or exploded against the deck. After 2 weeks i had my first landing. One week after I could land once but a very unappropriate way . After a while I could land once in a week. Then i landed once every other day. Now I can land nearly every time I have an approach. It takes time at 72 but it pays off in the long run. The rule is patience , sequencing and time. Using the sidewinder 2 forcefeedback joystick ! I forgot to add I do not use autopilot for manoeuvering, all manual it's a better school.
72? 72 years old?
@@ianwilliams7740 Yes I will be 73 hopefully on march 7
You're kicking ass at 72 - salute to you, hope to be the same at that age!
Nice
@@loremaable love ur passion..salutes
The carrier frequency is something you have to know beforehand, it's usually in the mission briefing.
When you hold down the course-knob - notice that CSEL appears on your UFC. That's COURSE SELECT. When it appears you can just type in any course you want. So instead of holding down the knob and try to fiddle it on the right number, you can just enter 350 on the UFC.
ooo nice
No, that won't work.
@@jasonaquino8232 Yes it does
@@jasonaquino8232 Yes, it does.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing 👍
That's why I eject every time.
@@rubiconnn That means that you cost too much for the tax payers
Well if i can walk away from crashing a 66million plane into milti billion shio i also would be happy
@@rubiconnn I don't think ejecting qualifies as "landing" despite the plane literally landing.
Dont use the brakes after touchdown, the cable is pulling you back a bit and thats why you made the nice wheelie :-) Thank you for this vid, I am also in training currently and seeing other helps a lot!
thx
@@grimreapers yes the procedure is FULL AFTER BURNER.
@@macmusica full military power. no afterburner
Sherman seems extremely knowledgeable, but I gotta say it's kinda nice to have a video without him talking over you all the time.
Roger he's on time out for a while.
And get him a better mic IMO
I think you're supposed to set the TCN course for the direction mother is travelling, not it's direction minus the 10 degree angle of the landing area. The point of the heading is to help you line up with the upwind and downwind of the Case 1 pattern. You can line up with the 10 degree slant of the landing area yourself visually once you cross the wake.
Understood.
Yes, that is correct. You set the carriers heading as the course so you can reference it on the downwind to have the correct abeam distance for the Case I pattern.
@@Tomrryaniv how do you find out what the carriers heading is?
@@diegoruiz7600 I think you open the F10 map and click on the carrier, and I think because the heading of the carrier is not given in magnetic you might need to adjust it depending on the map
edit: It might also be in the mission briefing
Small tip for formation spacing at the break.
Each wingman after the break before them should do a 17 sec count.
Then break. This should give them about a 30 sec spacing at the trap.
Information from A.E. W's channel
The aircraft has a trimming function for a reason use it to get on speed AOA and the plane will be rock solid on speed, no need to touch the stick anymore instead for left and right corrections. Maybe watch the explaination from Jabber and others to get more knowledge about this topic.
When you said "3.5g" then never pulled above 2.5g, I felt a lot better about my attempts at doing this properly. I also only ever hit the ebracket during my last half second panic maneuver
This comment
Thats because this is wrong. it's not the G that should be 1% of your speed its your roll angle, this ensures that you maintain the correct distance for your right hand pass of the carrier and makes it easier for the last turn to arrive on angle
Nice landing! What helps is trim to get FPV in centre of E bracket then use thrust for pitch and stick for roll.
Roger Sir
Really enjoy all the GR videos.Now I've got to finally try this again myself.
thx
Keep up the good work! Most enjoyable!
very informative. i'll have to use this as a guide when I buy the module. Thanks for your vids! Really helps a noob like me out.
Thanks.
Don’t use this as a guide, while he kind of tries to do the pattern, it’s not anywhere near right.
Great job, Cap!
Very good explanation and you took your time. Congrats and landing too
thx
When you get ready to input the TCN push clear first, then input TCN and push ENT. This should work.
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Took me 12 tries to land on the carrier. Got the 4 wire and a C grade, but I’m happing with anything better than crashing and burning.
Good work Cap. I've only done a couple carrier landings since the early access became available but after watching this I definitely want to dedicate my next couple sessions to recovery practice!
P.S. My previous carrier approach and landings were extremely ugly as you might imagine!
thx
Cap, I love how thick skinned you are. You take criticism very well.
Thanks Gravis. I've had ME for over 10 years. That's several life times of pain. It gives a man a certain perspective.
Grim Reapers well Cap, you are certainly showing M.E whose boss. Your energy and drive in these videos (as well as the other GR’s) has inspired me a lot in my dcs experience.
@@grimreapers Just learning the F18 and carrier ops so this video is incredibly useful. I've suffered ME for over 10 years now. I'm amazed you manage what seems a punishing schedule with Grim Reapers without a 'crash'!
Great Landing for the 1st time, good job and Thanks for the video...…………………. Wes from NJ.
thx wes
Case I is typically done “ziplip” which means no contact with ATC inside of 10 mike radius. Fly the pattern and land. Also I think the orbit is basically a 5 mile DME....exit when abeam at the 180 20 degrees to the right for 2 miles. Turn back bringing altitude down to 800 for break once pass carrier.
There’s no reason to go so long behind the carrier on final. This makes it more difficult. You’re way “long in the groove”. Fly out further in front before you make your break. This give you a longer time to get proper established AOA for landing.
AEW has several hours of discussion on proper procedure. Jabbers has really good videos that explain proper Case I. You can also see videos of carrier qualification.
I’m new and I can do it. I can’t do aerial refuel for the life of me yet, so I know you have much better control than I do. LOL.
One more thing. The proper entry for course is BRC. Which is the direction of travel for the carrier. When taking off one former pilot commented that everything is referenced from BRC. So even when takeoff they do 20 degree clearing turn then proceed back to BRC for 5 miles under 500ft to deconflict.
Roger thanks for the corrections
The ATC mentioned in the CASE I diagram is the Automatic Throttle Control... when configured for landing the ATC can be used to help maintain proper speed and glideslope, I haven't tried it and if the flight model in full flaps, gear down is bad, then its not worth trying until fixed. Might give it a go ashore and see what happens.
Funny thing is it's always hands on approach so ATC isn't used, at least CASE I. I'd have to consult aircrew I worked with. Despite what the NFM-000 or -500 (both have the diagram you used) say; I think the SOP is just safer for proper corrections and accurate grading from the ball call to the deck.
Thanks again Cap
It's a handful, that's for sure Cap. I have to take a break after 3 passes / traps, as the pucker factor is stressful for this old goat. I'm like you, in that I can't see the meatball (23" monitor and old prescription goggles), but I did notice you got a wave off light. That's ok, we're not here to pass carrier quals, just to enjoy the sim bug. Thanks for sharing.
LOL it really is hard isn't it. thx
Nice landing maverick
Great work Cap.
thx
I liked that a lot.
Thanks for the video buddy.😀
PS: This setup after flaps and gear down should be corrected by the ED as it is not a standard behavior of the FA-18C.
The flight model in this landing configuration needs and will be adjusted to the closest at real thing.
thx
The whole thing is like exact science. I wanna master it the right way, it is tough!
In the mission editor when you place the ship it has a radio frequency assigned. You can change this to your liking. It's on the right above where you add or edit waypoints
rgr thx
Simon McCabe unless there was a recent update that fixed it, I believe all carriers are forced to 127.500 AM and this cannot be changed
Correct!
Tuuvas my apologies I never realised thanks for correcting my mistake
Just a slight correction. Carrier is 127.500 "FM" not AM.
All of that, but then, Tom Cruise in TOP GUN had to save Cougar! So Pete hits the throttle full afterburn barley grazing the aircraft carriers surface. Then the Admiral got mad. I guess he hit his door bell.
Great work cap, I know its a bit more work than your previous go at it but it looks so much smoother and coordinated (better :P). Would it also be a correct assumption to say that you find it now easier to do (it looks so)?
The proper frequency of the carrier is normally conveyed to you via the ATC (by calling up the carrier via its radio frequency), but as we know the ATC frequency is currently (very) broken and as such you will need to use the F10 menu (similar with the carrier heading, they would also tell you this). Also, if you are having trouble with engaging the autopilot (A/P) modes, you need to have your stick completely centered becasue otherwise they will not engage: a small deadzone will be helpful as no joystick (even the TM Warthog) is ever completely centered. You can setup an autopilot orbit, but you have to enage the A/P first and then trim / maneuver as desired to enter said orbit (eg for weapons delivery, target spotting or holding a point waiting for flight).
I would also like to mention that the flight model of the F18 with flaps down (possibly in combination with gear down?) is currently borked: it is way to difficult to stay on speed (maintain correct AOA, have amber donut on your AOA indexer) and as such it makes it really difficult during (carrier) landing, as you will need to resort to full MIL and possibly afterburner to maintain that on-speed AOA. Another error that makes landing on a carrier equally more difficult is that your AOA indexer tends to obscure the IFLOLS (meatball, carrier landing lights) on the carrier due to the monocular vision (i.e. ''cyclops'' or 1 eye vision) in DCS (unless you fly in VR). It was great seeing you use the ''Power for altitude, pitch for airspreed" mantra, as it really can be difficult to get used to (as normally you use the stick for altitude and the power for airspeed), its quite a different way of thinking :)
If you are (eventually) going to do night-time landings (which are a lot of fun, but even harder) the ''in-bound landing'' command in the communicaiton menu will illuminate the carrier lights for you, so you can actually see where the landing area is on the carrier in the pitch black. I can tell you it is proper difficult though, but I am sure you will figure it out when you get there! ;P
Overall, great landing and exquisite glideslope on the carrier (meatball)! It is very nice & great to see all the effort you, Sherman and all the others put into these videos and I find them fun to watch :D. I hope you guys also like my remarks / observations and that you do not find them to be bossy / pushy, as I do note that they can sometimes come across as such. Do you find them helpful, or would you rather I kept them to myself (quite content with doing so if you find them annoying)?
Copy Nanne thx for feedback
FYI in the hornet 1.3 miles a beam on position 2 is the sweet spot. Setting up the landing starts arguably on the downwind leg the better your down wind the better the landing. 1.3 a beam of paddles is where real hornet pilots aim for. Take it from me I'm a pilot...
Correction position 3
Great job Cap! Keep us updated on your progress, it's interesting to see :) I'm curious how long it will take for you to get an OK pass.
LOL I'll never get a pass. I'm just happy with wheels down.
Dont forget....on landings its: Control speed with pitch and altitude/rate-of-decent with power
Everything I've read on forums, otherguides, etc. recommends setting the CRS to the Carrier's BRC (heading). Is this worth doing, or is it easier to just use the CRS as the runway indicator?
I hate carrier landings.Whenever is possible i prefer a normal airport.It is very weird that i can land the F-18 on Kuznetsov most of the times ,but i cannot on Stennis!It's something with the landing cables.Many times on Stennis it doesn't catch the cable and so it doesn't stop.
Update:after a few months of "research" on how to land the F18 on carrier,i found what i was doing wrong.The main reason was that was trying to land on the right, on the long strip of the deck.That's why the hook couldn't catch the cables and the plane couldn't stop on deck.Now i land on the short left strip,and usually i manage it.
@@MJ.Haggis I try to keep the AoA at 8.1 degrees.It becomes more difficult when i lower the flaps.Then i really have to put force on the the stick to keep the plane straight,cause if i leave the stick it goes nose up or nose down.
I always use the checklist page to make sure your at or below your optimum landing weight and also gives your alpha. This vid pretty old so sure everyone does this by now lol
Considering this video is around 3 years old now I'm sure you're aware of this but you can actually see you Angle of Attack (alpha) using the alpha symbol (α) on the HUD right above your G counter. its a lot easier than looking down at you FCS.
Thanks. These all need re-doing :(
@@grimreapers no no not at all. It's hardly a game changing mistake. I didn't mean to sound like I was criticising you. I was just trying to provide a little tip. The content in the video is still highly relevant. Also bearing in mind you've probably put out hundreds of videos covering multiple aircraft I think it's unreasonable for anyone to expect you to get everything right. So yea don't knock yourself I've pretty much learnt DCS from following your videos. I think you provide excellent quality in your tutorials so thank you!
Is there any way to get your trim setting to appear on the HUD all the time? If not, is there way to show trim setting on the same DDI’s as your HSI? I know that I can see my trim setting on the FCS page of the DDI, but I hate to waste a DDI for the FCS page when all I really want to see is my trim setting.
I like to know what my trim setting is throughout all stages of my flight and there are times when I will need both DDI’s for navigation and tactical uses and I won’t be able to have the FCS page on one of the DDI’s. Optimally there should be a way to see your trim setting on the HUD.
Whenever I’m flying the F/A-18, I lose track of where my trim is set relative to zero trim and it’s obviously important to know. Having to have the FCS page shown all the time on one of the DDI’s isn’t practical.
Even in a Cessna 172, the trim wheel has a white line on it, so you always know where your trim is set relative to zero trim.
I am confused on the final approach here. AOA indexer shows your AOA is too small you need to decrease throttle. At same time the ball shows you are below the glider angle, you need to increase throttle in this case. What are you supposed to do in this case?
When I set up carrier ops I get all the aircraft, including mine, launched and on their way. But for some reason I cannot get them to land. When their mission is complete, they enter the pattern to land, but will not actually land. They just do a fly by and enter the pattern again. Is there some way of clearing the personnel from the deck so that planes can land? I would imagine the waist cat crews standing there is preventing the jets from landing. Am I missing some command in the editor to clear the deck?
is there no symbology to help your horizontal alignment with the deck? i know the tomcat has it.
I don't believe we have that functionality yet.
I appreciate your videos, im trying to learn this thing, but I wish you had a upclose view of what your doing, you say your pressing something and switching to something, but I have no idea what your pressing or doing
Ran across this video and have never played the game. Thinking about trying it.
Does carrier actually move forward in the game? The wake of the ship makes it look like it is, but is it? On one hand, with the ship moving forward, I think it would slow the closing speed to the ship a little, making the landing a little easier. But on the other hand, you would have to keep correcting the heading slightly to the right to keep lined up with the runway during landing. Probably need rudder peddles to do it properly.
yes and yes.
I read about using trim. Now wonder trying to land on the Aricraft Carrier is so hard with your flight stick or basically impossible. I crashed into it twice. I am doing the Alert 5 mission and destroying the MIGS is not the problem, its landing on the carier is the REAL problem. It is so difficult. Well, now I know use the trim.
After entering the freqency press and hold the ENT button for approx. 1 sec.
Thx
6:38 about to stall
Thanks for the video.
But I don't understand how the trim works with full flaps. I know that I trim the aoa at this state, but I'm doing something wrong. I can trim from full up to full down, but I never get it trimmed that I can leave my hand from the stick and fly straight with the 6 degrees pitch.
Is there anything you can teach me about it ?
The Real Superhavoc okay.
I know that I can control the pitch with my airspeed, but then I don't understand what I need the trim for, when I control the pitch with my airspeed
Also please keep in mind that the flightmodel with full flaps (and possibly gear down?) is currently borked, as it produces a lot more drag than it should and thus is making it difficult to stay on-speed AOA (or requiring full MIL / afterburner to do so).
Thank you very much for your answer. I will try it later when I'm back home. Maybe first in level flight without the intention to land on the carrier
i'm fairly sure you setup the Tacan for the direction the boat is travelling as opposed to the angled deck. Are you sure wags told you to set it up that way, his tutorial would suggest otherwise
Affirm, will investigate
it makes sense when you think about it. If you setup for the direction of the deck and then setup your vector based on that, the boat would be constantly moving further away from you on the downwind
Try holding down ENT button, worked for me for some reason
Affirm thx
Why does the AOA disappear from the HUD? I've been wondering why in the hell people pull up the FCS page, that's good info, but I'm still completely all over the place trying to establish the right AOA, and the few times I've gotten it right, I'm either too low or there's a downdraft right before I touchdown and end up smacking right into the ass of the carrier.
here Cap Port and Starboard... Try This... No PORT LEFT in the bottle !!
Your ball was red, you have to "follow the ball" till wheels on the deck
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I thought that looked just fine lol
What does Revsied mean? XD Cool stuff guys!!
Ah crap its fixed lol
lol roger thx
Can you use the harrier to land?
I think should be somewhat a bit more easy.
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Correction position 3
If I play my campaign on vulnerable, Do I have to pay anther 100 dollars for my F/A-18C Hornet ?
So how do you get so slow without dropping like a rock?
When I go in to land and get to below 200 knots I always just plummet and have to go to full afterburners to recover
flaps to full
...or use auto flaps. Which will program to full as you slow.
Hello
Very nice info video
Quite new to dcs ans'd considering trying it a long while
Any way you could give me some hardware info ( ram gc head track hardware etc...?)
Kind regards
Hello cap, i want to buy a new module. Im really interested about the Hornet. What do you think about? Or do you recomend me some other module? Currently Im owning only F-15. Thank you buddy
Ya F-18 is def a good one to go for after 15.
@@grimreapers thank you
Hello, which mission is this? I do not see Carrier Case 1 Approach from the missions. Is this the instant action?
neg I just make my own missions for these vids
There is a training walkthrough in the Trainings tab where you are talked through the same points as here while in the cockpit yourself, but that guy uses all the proper technical jargon so its damn near impossible to interpret. If you watch this and take this info to that training you can practice fairly easily, Cap does a better job at explaining what to do.
why ils is off?
A few notes, and maybe I missed mention of them in the video or in earlier comments:
1. There's an eye-safe laser right below the ramp at the aft end of the flight deck. If you see that it's amber you're lined up with the center line. If you see a slow green flash, you're a little right, and if you see a fast flash you're quite a bit right. It's the same with red for left. (In the old days there was only the center line and it's associated drop lights (maybe also called drop line) that hang down the aft end of the ship. If you could keep the center line and the drop lights in a straight line you were lined up. If you saw that they formed a slight horizontal V with the open end on the left, you were too far left, and vice versa for the right.
2. During an approach ("in the groove") there should be a constant cycling of the glances between the ball, AOA indexer and center line, maybe with a bit more concentration on the ball.
3. I don't know if it's still done, but aircraft in marshal have - or had - their tailhooks down.
You landed with the ball in the red, but I _really_ suck at carrier landings; I've destroyed half the Navy's fleet of Hornets and I'm now working my way through the Marine Corps inventory.
Eagle hss landed
I came here to find out what I was missing, turns out I’m missing nothing, it’s just very hard
I find it so strange most people I hear talk about the carrier landings as being REALLY difficult at first even the so-called DCS VETS. IVE ONLY FLOWN MAYBE 20 HOURS TOTAL and most of it just fucking around IN THE 6+ YEARS I’ve owned the game, only JUST started flying in the hornet a couple days ago that I purchased well over a year ago. I tend to buy modulates and never touch them for a year+ (I know weird). I managed to land all three landings on the carrier CLEAN first attempt. Not going to lie and say 3 was as easy as the first two but it was nothing I would consider “a real challenge” now air refuel...... I just CANT. Every time I’ve tried I’ve spent LITERAL hours Oscillating in front of the drogue before I final just say FUCK THIS SHIT and shoot the god damned tanker down in a fit of rage. LOL
Are you sure you didn’t have DCS set to game mode instead of sim mode? Lol.
i dont even circle i just come in at about 140 kn and land with no problem
good thing this game doesn't have a "chewed out by the admiral" mission that auto triggers after doing something like that. lol
lol This is not a tutorial, it's more like........"I'm trying to figure out how to land"
LOL you should re do this video. No need to extend 4 miles for a final on the boat. lol and to think you want to charge people for training.
BZ
Cap please do not wear the Redfor skin as you're not part of that squadron
sry didn't even notice, I think it defaults to it.
Yeah it's unfortunate filename makes it come up to the top to be defaulted to :c
This is more of a ‘how not to do it’ video. At least you tried to do it, that’s more than most. Please if you are going to do a tutorial video, make sure you do it right. It’s ok to not do something right at first, but it’s not ok to teach people bad habits and wrongdoings. If you want to learn the actual pattern I’d be glad to help and you could make a more accurate tutorial video.