I bought a Nexus Ghost series 36DS and it has 20,000 towing capacity with a Cummings, air ride and air brakes. I'm at 12,500 miles with it and tow a 17,000 pound stacker trailer. Love it, great quality, pulls the hills great, and it stops on a dime.
We own a 2015 jayco Seneca,34 ft,340hp Cummins with an Allison,we tow a 16 ft box trailer with a golf cart and bunch of stuff, we average 10.6 mpg, mountains, flat ground, love it,have a jake brake, love this super c, have had Winnebago diesel pusher, 2 gas motor homes, 2 airstreams,10 other travel trailers, we bought this last June, had 35K miles, a friend bought it new and bought another jayco forK$330. We bought this for$180 and am happy, the dealer was great with warranty and problems, they fixed everything, I mean everything,we live in north central Ohio and sponser in nascar , go to 5 races a year, thank you, john y
@@EndlessRVing Correct a true “Super C” is NOT on Dodge, Ford or the Nexus International light truck chassis. Starting with the Freightliner’s S2RV chassis and up are the true commercial grade “Super C” RV’s. In 2015 I met with Freightliner Custom Chassis requesting a truck based chassis specifically designed for the RV industry. Thereafter the Freightliner’s S2RV was born. Just by coincidence, earlier today I forward my 2015 letter and meeting confirmation with Freightliner to Matt who appears in the video. Oh Snap it’s Matt! I have a 1997 Coachmen E450 class C with the Navistar 7.3l diesel truck engine sold to Ford who marketed it as the PowerStroke. People call it a “Super C” but it is a simply a Class C rv with a diesel truck grade engine. The Ford F550, Dodge 5500 and GM/International 5500 are heavier duty Class C RV’s but Not “Super C” RV!s. Ford’s new F600 is in the GVWR AND CVWR to be in the Super C category. I confirmed with Thor Motor Coach they currently do not plan to upgrade their Ford F550 chassis to the more capable F600 chassis. My diesel Class C, Ford E450 7.3l diesel RV @ 12-15mpg @ 14,000 lbs, sleeps 8 people, 8 seat belts with no slide-outs, huge amounts of exterior heated storage is the best RV I have ever owned. To replace it I would go with the S2RV chassis at a minimum as Ford no longer offers a diesel in the E450 and their are huge service access issues on the Ford F550 chassis Thor uses for their Class C diesels seen in the video.
I have the 2020 Jayco Seneca 37st. Personally I love it. If my price point allowed (my husband!) yes I would have went with a Renegade just for the upgrades. The Jayco has plenty of power, tons of storage, 3 slides for plenty of inside space and I can tow my Ford Raptor. I grew up camping in a Jayco pop up so there you go!
I’m going to be pulling an F150. Do you think the 360 / 800 is strong enough? Do you struggle any with your Raptor? Do you do fairly well in hills or mountains ? 7:25
We recently bought a Dynamax DX3 with about 2500 miles so far. We love it. We like the fact that there is no propane, and that it effortlessly tows our Ram 1500 over mountain passes without slowing down.
I have a Seneca Super C, 360 hp 950 foot lbs of torque with an Alison 3500,6speed transmission! I love it,it does everything I need and is as fancy I as need in a motorhome. I am never going to need to tow a stacker trailer or anything that heavy to justify paying 4 times the amount that I paid for mine. Are the big boys nice,oh my Yes. Nicer than my home in some cases. It’s all in what you need,want and can afford!!
Thats awesome..... I dont pull a stacker.....did not need the 600hp.....but look at how your interior is built......then look at the ones I am talking about.....real wood....etc not press board. I am speaking from experience......I was a relief pilot for 5 years and traveled year around the country to different medevac bases to fly. My 5th wheels were a pain to set up and break down, both my 5th wheels and my class A broke almost weekly ( something) some shelf failed this broke etc. Both of my Super Cs have been amazing compared. I1 slide motor and one step motor in 10 years of being on the road at least 6 months a years moving every week. Glad you enjoy yours.
@@ddd7003 the doors on my cabinets are all dove tail joints made from real wood,not press board. I went to the factory and saw mine being built,cabinets and all. I do love mine.
I went with the Jayco Seneca Prestige on the S2 chassis. Upgraded from a Winnebago class c and this is night and day better. Pulls my Jeep over those Colorado passes with no issues unlike the Winnebago. The aqua Hot system and the heated ceramic floors were a bonus.
I had a Dynamax (not Forrest River) loved it but when it came time for new, I had a Renegade Classic built. By far the best in class you can custom design all interior dimensions to suit your needs Cascadia 600HP 2150TQ tandem axle twin screw 35K hitch. Drives very smooth even in heavy cross winds will hold its track with just 1 finger on the wheel.
I like that you can take these to most truck repair shops fir drivetrain maintenance and repair, as opposed to class A that need to be serviced by a more specialized shop. Another nice video, thanks guys!
Not all of us have a cool half million that we can drop on a RV, that’s were the Thor and Dynamax makes a lot of sense. Also worth noting that some of us live in states that require a Class B CDL if you go over 26,000 lbs GVWR. That’s were the level 1-3 Super C’s make sense.
I have owned 4 RV. 2 Class C and 2 Class B. My B is used all the time. My C was only used when we could vacation together. With that said in 4 years he retires. We own a Jeep Hard Rock Rubicon 4-door. We have added extra so it know weights 4500. Super C will tow this and that's why we are looking at plus everyone says they're easy to drive and I want to be able to drive it by myself. I will not get one without an M2 Freightliner. What I would love to see is a smaller Class C something under 35 from head to toe.
Great video. I get your point about the low end "Super C's". Having Rv'ed for 40 years, an F550 chassis should be the minimum on many of the larger class C's. With all the extra weight of the slides and leveling systems, the E450 really struggles to do the job and has little to no carrying capacity fully loaded. My feeling is I'll have what your having :)
I glad to have discovered your channel. I totally agree with your assessment of the term "Super-C'". It is is too broadly used to be meaningful in its current form. For me, only class-7 or class-8 chassis used for RV's should be called a Super-C. Anything less (i.e Class-6 and below) should be referred to as C-Class only. Thanks for your video!
@@mcsquid86 mine is a 2020 so it has the 6 speed transmission. Great engine. I tow a flat bed trailer with my 6000 Jeep on it and it performs fantastic even in the mountains. In that configuration my mpg are 7.5. Without towing probably 10
Guys, I realize I'm a little late to the party but I own a 2017 Nexus Ghost. No it's not the top end of the scale but I also bought it used for around $150,000 with 15,000 miles on it. Yes Showhaulers are very nice rigs but they are also 3-10 times the price of a Ghost. As for a Renegade I wouldn't own one on a bet. They are built like a house with 2x4 framing. I don't care how you fasten wood together the joints will work loose going down the road. The Ghost has a welded steel frame much superior to the Seneca aluminum frame. Aluminum work hardens much more quickly that steel does from flexing. The Seneca also has rotomolded basement compartments, the Ghost has steel. If something goes wrong with a steel compartment there's a welder in every little town in America. Try and get rotomolded plastic fixed. As for running gear the Seneca have essentially the same thing, Cummins 6.7, and an Allison 3000 tranny. The frames are a wash as they are both good and the rear ends are a non issue. I don't know who makes them but I've never one of my diesel mechanic friends complain about rearends. That's my take on the subject after about a year of reasonably intensive research.
I own '19 Renegade Verona 36VSB, absolutely love it. Traded in a '12 Tiffin Allegro RED. After now owning both, I will never go back into a class A rig. The handling and secure feeling of the Super C is amazing.
We own a Renegade Valencia. We didn’t need a lot of towing so it is perfect for us. We previously owned a regular class c on a F 450 chassis but really had problems going up and down mountains. Our Renegade Valencia has everything we need.
One item that is rarely mentioned, to give you better uphill performance, is a "gear-splitter". We had one put into our Class C with a Ford 460 engine and it ran away from some cars going up long mountain highways. It basically almost doubles the amount of gears you have, keeping the RPM in the sweet spot.
We have the 2022 nexus triumph..bunkhouse, King bed.. ýýythe Alison transmission AMAZING/// We love it. We travel nationally for work. This rv is perfect
I had a Seneca A class RV for a few years and loved it. Drove great and was nicely equipped! We started with a C class then went to the A class and finally got a Itasca 23ft B class, we love it for trips! We don’t do parks anymore or off Grid so hotel to hotel trips we love it! We’ll keep this B class for as long as we go RV tripping! 🙋🏼♂️💃🏼🕺🏼
We have a 2020 Renegade Verona 34 Vqb since Oct. 2020. We love it. We got this size as we did not need a washer an dryer and didn't need a king bed. Wanted to stay under 35 feet. We tow a Ford Edge.
Great information! As a happy owner of a Fleetwood Discovery coach, I never even realized the different levels of the Super C’s until you pointed them out. Of course that seems to be the case with all RV’s. I wish I could be there so keep the videos coming and enjoy the show.
@@EndlessRVing we bought our 2017 Discovery 39g in September of 2020 with 17k miles from the original owner. It’s a 41’ bunk model, in like new condition. It’s our first motor coach and we absolutely love it! There isn’t anything I would want to change about it. Yes, it has had a few quirks to work through, but we knew that going in. We are self employed with somewhat flexible schedules and have been able to use it quite a bit. Since we are located in the triad area of North Carolina, we have a lot of travel options. We love your channel and it has helped us a lot. I look forward to your upcoming videos for this year. I hope you and Izzy have a safe trip home today! Take care. Ben Covington
I looked at a used Seneca Super C. When I took the GCVWR and subtracted the actual weight, it only had 4000lbs difference. That didn't match the 5000 tow rating this one had. That was before they went to the new chassis. That is something you should watch out for.
I think for Super C motorhomes, it's the engine/drivetrain that makes or breaks the deal for me. Honestly, even the Cummings 6.7L 370hp 800 torque is to small of an engine for that price point. You really want the REAL Super C with either the DD15 or the Cummings X series with at least 500hp and 1850 torque
Easy to service a motor up front. It’s faster access for services and depending on Engine please talk available service Off the interstate. See I always consider that before I purchase because my choices are then limited to the ability to get service. I purchased a Ford and not a Mercedes for that very reason. Let’s talk super C’s freight liner versus caterpillar let’s see where the services are and will those places who advertise service for Big Rigs service one on a motorhome? Because I have been hearing sometimes they won’t and we need to know if that could truly become a problem.
Kathy, you mentioned Freightliner and Caterpiller. The former is a truck mfg, the latter is an engine mfg. Catterpiller got out of the on road diesel engine business around 2008 as it chose not to develop engines to meet the unreasonable Federal emission rules. If you are traveling on Interstates you can get an oil change at 3AM & a tire or set of tires on Sunday afternoon for your Dynamax Freightliner Columbia Grand Sport GT. Or we can.😊
I would not own or buy a Jayco etc. I had 2 37' 5th wheels, 2 41' class A diesel pushers, and on my second super C. I would never go back, my last super C (haulmark) would have lasted me forever (owned it for 7 years). But I wanted a garage. I would only buy two brands of super C, Haulmark or Renegade. My current unit is a Haulmark 45' with a 11 foot garage. Its on a Volvo chassis with a 600hp volvo engine, getting about 9 mpg( I will never get another frieghtliner / junk). The only thing I will say is look at the "jaco" type builds ( interior and exterior) then look at the ones I am talking about. I give you all credit for monetizing an idea/ what you like and making videos etc. This helps out the masses for sure. But at least in regard to this subject lack of exposure/ experience shows. You do a nice job for the general / go out and grab an RV for a little trip crowd etc, I am sure. You are not unlike many channels about RVs / camping etc. Keep doing what you are doing, your key audience must get value out of it and your hard work shows
Thanks for the feedback. We have actually toured the Showhauler factory as well as several other factories. Being that Haulmark does not manufacture Super C’s anymore we could not get to that one. We did make it very clear about the chassis in the Seneca and as well as what we would consider Super C’s. Thanks for the advice and perhaps with your wealth of knowledge you can start a channel and share it with others. Izzy
@@EndlessRVing I did not know Haulmark stopped. I am not a fan of Showhauler.....been in several of theirs....I liked their video of how they do construction. Thanks for the reply...keep up the strong content
@@EndlessRVing my experience is very limited and focused to and for my applications. No interest in starting a channel, I used mine for two trips a year for personnel use and the rest was to carry me and my bicycles to my next work location with my own bed., work a week or two then move to the next etc anywhere in the country. I stay mostly on military bases and find public use camp grounds way too expensive and not secure enough for meI am very private. You both provide a very good service and put alot into it on a broad base.
I'm in the market for a Super-C and love the Seneca/Accolade 37L as it's a great family floor plan and has decent chassis capability. From what I'm seeing the GVWR on the new '21 models are up to 31k which puts it just 2k lbs. shy of a class 8 truck, I think.. Also with the Seneca Prestige and Accolade XL (brand new models - maybe you'll see them at the show) you get aqua hot, tile floors, roof mounted awning, etc. That's a pretty tempting combination of higher end features.
They are nice units but they are certainly not built like the Renegade Classic or showhaulers. A used one of those units are a far better vehicle. But it’s all personal choice. Thanks for watching and the comment. Izzy
My brother and I raced out of a "super c " A kenworth t600 build with a 13 spd Eaton and 200 gallons of fuel. Shifting gears ourselves got some respect at the fuel stops. I can't blame the industry for making RVer level fancy rigs now. There are only so many of us racers out there.
Great video. I own a 21 Entegra Accolade 37K "Super C". Personally when shopping I looked at the level 5s and didn't like their interiors. I like Acura and not Cadillac and that's what this represented to me. Sure my level 3 doesn't do what the 5 does but it definitely fits my need. I feel at that level you're really getting the "Super" out of the C, because in a class A its just gas or diesel. I don't need the commercial rather something specifically design for RV use that's why I didn't like the M2 chassis.
We just purchased the same 21 Entegra 37K - traded in our Newmar Dutch Star. Our first trip is to Sturgis in 2 weeks and we are really excited for her “maiden voyage” I love the way it drives and rides. Curious how your experience has been with it?
@@kerringhands our experience so far is good. We purchased during a time when supply was dwindling and workers weren't catching COVID. So most of our issues are minimal compared to others who have recently purchased. I think it's starting to become the norm across all brands right now even more expensive brands are not immune. We recently started our own channel on CZcams and will start doing more videos as well.
The thing I love about mine is pulling in anywhere for service. Mine is old but still good as new. Love pulling hills in the mountains and watching the commercial drivers struggle.
That was a great video. Good explanation. What about class 8 chassis that are old style long nose vs aero? Like a Kenworth T680 vs W900 or W990? Or Peterbilt 579 vs 389? Freightliner Cascadia vs 122SD? Do you know about visibility, room, noise, and comfort between those two styles of cabs?
I love the Freightliner M2 cab & chassis. I think the Jayco product makes for a real nice Super C if I was in the market. But I will keep on RVing in my low mileage Class A. Scheduled for my annual chassis safety & service inspection, lube & oil change at Cummins Coach Care in a few weeks! Prepping for Happy Camping in 2021...
Sorry we missed you guys. With a new grandbaby less than a month old, we just couldn't take the chance, but was hoping to check out the show. Hopefully, we get to some kind of normal by the next show!
Super C is truly S2RV or equal and above. Some of the hard-core Class 8 groups don't even want to be called Super C. Great video. Keep up the good work.
@@gjkollar9345 typically 26,000 GVWR dictates a license upgrade. Here in TX if above the 26K, you are required to get a license upgrade, for personal use, it is a NON-CDL.
Well put together and informative without causing the viewer's brain to lock up from technical mumbo-jumbo. Oh, and a nice photobomb by Matt. I watch his channel too because he is also a very good speaker and knows how to explain RVs to his audience.
Yeah. Because we know all that technical mumble jumbo is all senseless anyway. 😂 I did enjoy the review. Thanks for the horsepower and torque specs also
Nice video...looks a little chilly there for Flo-rida - brrrr! When I see a Ford F550, I usually don't think of "Super C" but hey, I don't make up the rules either. Happy trails to-ya!!
We own a Showhauler Casscadia DD13. That is a real Super C as noted in the video. Nobody makes a quality RV like Showhauler- period. Thanks for the excellent video.
By defination a Super C HAS TO BE A SEMI Truck, not a pick up by ford dodge workhouse etc. They qualify as an adventure vehicle but NOT A SUPER C. The advantage of a Super C is that your radiator is in the front of the vehicle, not behind the rear wheels where is is picking up ALL the Dust from your vehicle. Also it's chassie is 70,000 lbs GVWR, so you can have equipment and assories inside that are RESIDENTIAL quality and weight, you get a better build rig for full time living and the ability to haul a stacker trailer if you need too take everything you have with you. The BRAKES on these Super C are made to stop 100,000 lbs and the rear TANDAM axels give more contact to the road as well as 8 drive wheels helping you move in rough terrain. A big class A with a tag axel help hold the weight and with braking but leaves you stuck in mud or sand as only 2 wheels will turn and they are the ones with no traction, Super C's are best suited for boondockers who will head off the paved roads and get to remote places. They also have the heavy duty frame and suspensions that easily take forest service roads in style. CHEERS Steve h.
Last thing I would want is to worry about airbrakes freezing up or needing adjusted. Or a hose blowing off. Been there. But a rig that could tow 10k would be nice. The smaller, non airbrake rig gets my attention. I would feel at home at the wheel of an international again. Eventually I would stop reaching for the gearshift and the air brake valve. Lol
I am looking at the magnitude 34 RB y'all forgot to mention that the magnitude and Omnia some floor plans can come with 4-wheel drive packages good video well put together and the reason why I'm going to get a magnitude 34 RB is because 10000 lb Towing comes with four wheel drive it should pull my Carver Monterey 26 with a tri-axle trailer that I am currently restoring with no problem with hills and mountains
We own a 40ft. Renegade Verona LE, which we consider the sweet spot of the Renegade Super C lineup. The LE version has many of the features of more expensive super C motorhomes such as porcelain flooring, premium cabinetry, and nice interior appointments. It is built on a Freightliner M2 commercial chassis, and comes with an 8.9 L Cummins and an Allison truck 6 speed transmission. Air brakes, air ride rear suspension, and air ride front seats, are features that have served us well. We want to you to know that although Renegade builds great Rvs in general, the Verona LE offers what we consider to be a better value than the standard Verona. Like we said, the sweet spot. We have never wished for more power or load capacity, nor do we have any complaints about ride or handling. Five years and counting of great RV experiences. Your mileage may vary.
Most people would not realize how motorhomes aren’t the end all of the end all. The people aren’t working for $30-45 per hour and great benefits. Unless it’s changed since I retired a few years back, the people are making about $12.50-15.00 or slightly more, but not much. They have Monday/Friday models, just like other manufacturers we have in the USA.Just hope the brakes are good people!
Thank you for this video. I have been a lifelong Class C owner. Presently on number 8 over 40 years. I always looked at the freight liner chassis and drooled. Nice but .... $$$$. Thank you for the clarifications.
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Hi Guys! Great overview. As I've mentioned in the past, we have the Renegade Verona and absolutely love it. After 2 years and 20,000 miles we have had ZERO problems other than a couple of screws backing off on the door. We could easily travel in this motorhome comfortably for the next 15 years. We test drove the Renegade Valencia. I found the differene between the 6.7 litre 360hp with 800 torque and the 8.9 350hp with 1,150 torque to be a night and day difference, especially on the hills. In my opinion it is worth stepping up to the 8.9 even if that means delaying the purchase to save up a bit more cash. I spoke with a Renegade technician who said anyone he speaks with that saved by getting the Valencia 6.7/800 is disipointed and wished they stepped up to the Verona 8.9/1,150. I consider the big boy Class 8 models to be in their own league. I'd be interested in your opionion on the difference in ride quality we would gain stepping up to the Cascadia. Is it remarkabley different from the M2 in your opinion? Enjoy the rest of the show!
I also have a Verona LE. Love the power and the sturdier deck in all Renegades. Nobody seems the talk about the thickness of the Renegade decks but it is a big deal.
I perchased a 2022 40' fifth wheel and the service stopped as soon as they cashed the check. There is no consumer protection in the industry. The only code compliance is supported and payed for by the manufacturers
Be wary of salespeople that tell the towing capacity based in the hitch rating. Jayco has a new model with a 12k lb hitch but only has a 1750 lb difference between gross and combined gross weight ratings.
I don't care what it's called. I just want a class-C RV with a diesel engine. I always thought all those class-C's built on the E-350-550 chassisshould allow you to get one with the diesel engine. I mean, the E-350/550 vans had a diesel engine option, why not the RV's? The reason I want this is safety, engine life, and servicability. Nobody likes working on diesel pushers, but when the engine is out front it's no different than working on a truck. Anyway. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for the quick review . Many different units & price points for everyone. Like all things RV you can spend a little for a basic rig or a fortune for a high end unit.
My wife and I have a Nexus Wraith. We are very, very happy with this RV. The size works well with us and our 3 cats. The International Light Chassis has given us absolutely no problems. We have 35,000 miles on the motorhome over 2 1/2 years. We have hydraulic brakes which work fine with our RVI Brake for our towed vehicle. Our Wraith is 32 feet long and seems a nice size for easily getting around. We did spend $10,000 at delivery for an updated Liquid Springs suspension system. This suspension made the RV very stable and really easy to drive. We can drive all day comfortably.
Hello Izzy and MJ!! I have never really considered this class, mostly out of ignorance......until I see the info on your channel!!! Though only your first couple of examples are in our range, I really liked the upper end one! It has the capability that you never have to count pounds on! Safe travels and have an awesome time down there! P.s. Matt gets -10 points for not doing his fist pump jump while photo bombing you
Thanks for the review! I disagree with how you categorized "Super C" which you seemed to do by price point at the end of this video. The "Super" class is more commonly defined by whether the coach is built on a true Class 8 commercial type truck chasis and has suspension sufficient enough to give it the size and weights (including towing) in that class. Ergo, the Jayco, Dynamax, Nexus, Renegade, Showhauler, etc, are all true Super Cs. The diferences are mainly quality and engine power. I will quickly concede that our 2021 Dynamax Force HD 37TS is not the quality of the Renegade for example. But for the $250k ($320k MSRP) price it's a true Freightliner M2 106 chasis and a Cummins L9 with a 50,000 mile service interval 350 HP and 1150 torque. The interior fit and finish is very good and Dynamax now makes it almost identical to the DX3 model. Check it out when you can. Cheers!
I think we made it pretty clear a super C is a class 7 or 8 hdt truck chassis. With that said Nexus, Jayco, Thor and quite a few others would not fit into that category but are still marketed as Super C’s. Thanks for watching and the comment.
You are shortening the life of your motor if you stick to that idiotic 50,000 mile service interval. You should change the oil at roughly 18,000 miles, that is a good mileage for general usage. If you are towing heavy, and driving regularly, I would service between 12,000 and 18,000 depending upon conditions. And then the EGR tuneups, these EPA motors need yearly maintenance on both the DPG and SCR systems. Which includes sensor changes and cleaning of certain components. The dealership network does not do any of this, many will laugh at you if you even suggest doing something like this. They laugh because it is more profitable for them to replace your turbo or EGR cooler than to install a new intake manifold pressure sensor. There is also the exhaust back pressure sensor too... And a filter for the SCR system that is normally always neglected. Learn the systems on your rig, do not be at the mercy of the dealerships, who in most cases have no clue on maintaining or much less fixing an EPA motor. They are great at throwing expensive parts at it though, try not to be a victim. If you own a Cummins, you can go to Cummins Quickserve and sign up for a free account, where you can get all of the info on your motor, along with a complete parts breakdown and the same service manual the dealers use so that you can do your own repairs, right down to rebuilding the motor in your driveway like I did. I too was a victim of the Cummins dealer network.
Soon to be joining the Super C crowd, we have a 2021/2022 Dynamax Dynaquest XL 3400KD on order. Hope to have it in September, after it gets built. :) Built on M2-112 with Cummins 8.9 ISL 450hp/1250tq and Allison 3200TRV.
Though this is an old video, I'm gonna comment for others who may be still looking for a rig. We currently own a Nexus Ghost. It is a 2021 30R. We purchased it in Tampa in April of 2021. Now, May of 2022, we are going to work with ShowHauler to custom design something that is handicapped accessible. I don't want a class a. I want a true SUPER C. Not just a class c. Though this Nexus looks good at a glance, we have experienced issues from the first week we owned it. The only reason the company didn't have me show up at their front door was because their customer service rep for our area was an awesome woman and she worked with me closely until we had all of the major issues fixed. I would be keeping this rig for a few more years had my husband not been in an accident in February of this year. Now, he struggles with everything about this rig. So, we are going to move on to something new.
Another informative video...thanks for sharing. I really had very little knowledge of the super-c class other than seeing it on a few channels. Only thing is the click-bait title. Maybe I missed it but there is no con with these is there? Keep up the great content and thanks for representing the garden state! We stayed at the KOA in Clarksboro right after watching your video. Papa was craving a cheesesteak from Reading Terminal Market!
The con is that Super C'as are built on Class 7/8 HDT chassis. So a Super C built on any less of a chassis is technically not a "Super C". That is why we titled it the way we did. Hope you enjoyed that cheesesteak! - MJ
Would be nice if Newell and Liberty Coach made Super C's on the new 2023 Cascadia chassis . The interiors on most of the Super C's look a little dated, with the hard edge wood cabinetry and bland fixtures compared to the more upscale interiors you see on Newell and Liberty Coaches. Another note, the Newmar Super C's on a Cascadia chassis is potentially a more attractive package, my opinion. Great video, thanks for your hard work.
Thanks for the video as I learned a lot as I did not know there is such a difference in options. Not knowing can really be a expensive mistake as well as a waste of time.
You missed the number one reason why we're considering a Super C over a Class A. SAFETY! Unless it's on a commercial bus chassis, most Class A motorhomes are the functional equivalent of driving down the road in a Yeti cooler. There are no NHTSA crash standards for RVs. By contrast, the Super C offers all the built in crash worthiness and safety mechanisms that are inherent in the commercial truck from which they were developed. If I have to be in an accident, I wager that I'd have a better chance for survival in the Super C.
Great video. Very informative. Just ran across your video, it's Nov 2021 are we are looking at a 2020 Thor Magnitude in SC $180K. After watching your video I'm asking myself if the 2022 Fla Show may have the same deals ($230K / $150K Show price).
Currently own a Dynamax (by Forest River) with a Cummins 8.9L engine and love the chassis but near-hate the RV side of it, which was obviously built with max profit, minimal quality, and poor attention-to-detail. Have driven it from the central U.S. to the west coast over the Rocky Mountains -- and it powered through just fine even when fully-loaded and pulling our small SUV. But the downside: all of the vinyl upholstery began spontaneously shredding in the third year; there are no USB ports at all and very few electrical outlets; the unit came with NO toilet paper holders and NO towel racks; indoor storage is VERY limited; and on and on. Based on our experience, I wouldn't ever consider buying a Forest River RV again. Thanks for your informative video.
im not impressed with them either. I dont even own an rv yet and i just cant fathom how the poor quality is accepted, regardless of price. At one dealer, maybe 20 miles from the factory over here in the southern end of the willamette valley of Oregon, a few trailers had already fallen apart. Kinda blew my mind that the dealer would even show them to the public. salesman said theyd fix it before i bought it, but that just pretty much turned me off of anything forest river. if it cant make it 20 miles brand new, i cant imaging the issues it will have over its probable short life span.
@@killstrees Agree. A friend of ours bought a brand-new Forest River 5th-wheel. It was a showroom model and she noticed the floor was warped but didn't worry because the dealer promised to fix it. I had to tactfully discuss the probability that a showroom floor model with such a major flaw likely had other problems she couldn't see, and suggested she have it inspected by an experienced RV person so she could get warranty work done before she got to use it. Good luck to her. But this crap continues because the bad players in the RV industry have much to gain and nothing to fear.
I bought a Nexus Ghost series 36DS and it has 20,000 towing capacity with a Cummings, air ride and air brakes. I'm at 12,500 miles with it and tow a 17,000 pound stacker trailer. Love it, great quality, pulls the hills great, and it stops on a dime.
Is it smooth to drive? Loud? Have been looking at these versus Class A......
We own a 2015 jayco Seneca,34 ft,340hp Cummins with an Allison,we tow a 16 ft box trailer with a golf cart and bunch of stuff, we average 10.6 mpg, mountains, flat ground, love it,have a jake brake, love this super c, have had Winnebago diesel pusher, 2 gas motor homes, 2 airstreams,10 other travel trailers, we bought this last June, had 35K miles, a friend bought it new and bought another jayco forK$330. We bought this for$180 and am happy, the dealer was great with warranty and problems, they fixed everything, I mean everything,we live in north central Ohio and sponser in nascar , go to 5 races a year, thank you, john y
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LoL I can only afford vitamin C
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I'm in that boat also. Lol or should I say rv.
😂😂😂 Thanks for the laugh Scottey. lol - MJ
Loved the "video bomb" by Matt!! LOL!
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@@EndlessRVing Correct a true “Super C” is NOT on Dodge, Ford or the Nexus International light truck chassis.
Starting with the Freightliner’s S2RV chassis and up are the true commercial grade “Super C” RV’s. In 2015 I met with Freightliner Custom Chassis requesting a truck based chassis specifically designed for the RV industry. Thereafter the Freightliner’s S2RV was born.
Just by coincidence, earlier today I forward my 2015 letter and meeting confirmation with Freightliner to Matt who appears in the video. Oh Snap it’s Matt!
I have a 1997 Coachmen E450 class C with the Navistar 7.3l diesel truck engine sold to Ford who marketed it as the PowerStroke.
People call it a “Super C” but it is a simply a Class C rv with a diesel truck grade engine.
The Ford F550, Dodge 5500 and GM/International 5500 are heavier duty Class C RV’s but Not “Super C” RV!s. Ford’s new F600 is in the GVWR AND CVWR to be in the Super C category.
I confirmed with Thor Motor Coach they currently do not plan to upgrade their Ford F550 chassis to the more capable F600 chassis.
My diesel Class C, Ford E450 7.3l diesel RV @ 12-15mpg @ 14,000 lbs, sleeps 8 people, 8 seat belts with no slide-outs, huge amounts of exterior heated storage is the best RV I have ever owned.
To replace it I would go with the S2RV chassis at a minimum as Ford no longer offers a diesel in the E450 and their are huge service access issues on the Ford F550 chassis Thor uses for their Class C diesels seen in the video.
I have the 2020 Jayco Seneca 37st. Personally I love it. If my price point allowed (my husband!) yes I would have went with a Renegade just for the upgrades. The Jayco has plenty of power, tons of storage, 3 slides for plenty of inside space and I can tow my Ford Raptor. I grew up camping in a Jayco pop up so there you go!
Very cool - so glad you're happy with it. The Jayco is nice looking! - MJ
Can I ask what part of the country you live in? We’re in Colorado and wondering if we need to have a diesel due to travel in the Rockies. .
Jayco Seneca are the lowest ranked super C. I know I have a Seneca 37 ST👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
I’m going to be pulling an F150. Do you think the 360 / 800 is strong enough? Do you struggle any with your Raptor? Do you do fairly well in hills or mountains ? 7:25
We recently bought a Dynamax DX3 with about 2500 miles so far. We love it. We like the fact that there is no propane, and that it effortlessly tows our Ram 1500 over mountain passes without slowing down.
what engine and transmission ?
@@Bigs4602 Cummins L9 Turbo Diesel Engine (450hp / 1,250 lb-ft. of Torque) with Allison 3200 TRV Six-Speed Automatic Transmission averaging about 8mpg while towing Ram 1500 @ freeway speeds - 70mph+
Bro… very few can afford half a MILLION dollars on a depreciating asset like an RV. Even the ‘cheap’ 170K one is out of reach of most.
I have a Seneca Super C, 360 hp 950 foot lbs of torque with an Alison 3500,6speed transmission! I love it,it does everything I need and is as fancy I as need in a motorhome. I am never going to need to tow a stacker trailer or anything that heavy to justify paying 4 times the amount that I paid for mine. Are the big boys nice,oh my Yes. Nicer than my home in some cases. It’s all in what you need,want and can afford!!
The Seneca was really nice! We were impressed with it. You’re a lucky owner Don! - MJ
@@EndlessRVing Just a thought, I did see this from 2020: czcams.com/video/yS9M2p60tgY/video.html
Thats awesome..... I dont pull a stacker.....did not need the 600hp.....but look at how your interior is built......then look at the ones I am talking about.....real wood....etc not press board. I am speaking from experience......I was a relief pilot for 5 years and traveled year around the country to different medevac bases to fly. My 5th wheels were a pain to set up and break down, both my 5th wheels and my class A broke almost weekly ( something) some shelf failed this broke etc. Both of my Super Cs have been amazing compared. I1 slide motor and one step motor in 10 years of being on the road at least 6 months a years moving every week. Glad you enjoy yours.
@@ddd7003 the doors on my cabinets are all dove tail joints made from real wood,not press board. I went to the factory and saw mine being built,cabinets and all. I do love mine.
@@donbruder6838 thats awesome...shows how little I know about the new ones they are kicking out
I went with the Jayco Seneca Prestige on the S2 chassis. Upgraded from a Winnebago class c and this is night and day better. Pulls my Jeep over those Colorado passes with no issues unlike the Winnebago. The aqua Hot system and the heated ceramic floors were a bonus.
I had a Dynamax (not Forrest River) loved it but when it came time for new, I had a Renegade Classic built. By far the best in class you can custom design all interior dimensions to suit your needs Cascadia 600HP 2150TQ tandem axle twin screw 35K hitch. Drives very smooth even in heavy cross winds will hold its track with just 1 finger on the wheel.
You have a whole other level of Super C now. There is a difference in the build!! Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
I like that you can take these to most truck repair shops fir drivetrain maintenance and repair, as opposed to class A that need to be serviced by a more specialized shop. Another nice video, thanks guys!
Thanks John! - MJ
Not all of us have a cool half million that we can drop on a RV, that’s were the Thor and Dynamax makes a lot of sense. Also worth noting that some of us live in states that require a Class B CDL if you go over 26,000 lbs GVWR. That’s were the level 1-3 Super C’s make sense.
I have owned 4 RV. 2 Class C and 2 Class B. My B is used all the time. My C was only used when we could vacation together. With that said in 4 years he retires. We own a Jeep Hard Rock Rubicon 4-door. We have added extra so it know weights 4500. Super C will tow this and that's why we are looking at plus everyone says they're easy to drive and I want to be able to drive it by myself. I will not get one without an M2 Freightliner. What I would love to see is a smaller Class C something under 35 from head to toe.
Great video. I get your point about the low end "Super C's". Having Rv'ed for 40 years, an F550 chassis should be the minimum on many of the larger class C's. With all the extra weight of the slides and leveling systems, the E450 really struggles to do the job and has little to no carrying capacity fully loaded. My feeling is I'll have what your having :)
We just wanted to point out there differences between “super c’s” and how they’re are not all the same. Thanks for watching and the comment
I glad to have discovered your channel. I totally agree with your assessment of the term "Super-C'". It is is too broadly used to be meaningful in its current form. For me, only class-7 or class-8 chassis used for RV's should be called a Super-C. Anything less (i.e Class-6 and below) should be referred to as C-Class only. Thanks for your video!
We agree Duncan. Thanks for checking out the channel
Izzy
I own a 2020 Thor Magnitude BB35. Love it
Awesome, glad you're happy with it! - MJ
Do you have the 6 speed transmission or the 10 speed? What is your MPG? I really like the Thor. Thanks
@@mcsquid86 mine is a 2020 so it has the 6 speed transmission. Great engine. I tow a flat bed trailer with my 6000 Jeep on it and it performs fantastic even in the mountains. In that configuration my mpg are 7.5. Without towing probably 10
@@giorgiobucci1737 Thanks!!
Guys, I realize I'm a little late to the party but I own a 2017 Nexus Ghost. No it's not the top end of the scale but I also bought it used for around $150,000 with 15,000 miles on it. Yes Showhaulers are very nice rigs but they are also 3-10 times the price of a Ghost. As for a Renegade I wouldn't own one on a bet. They are built like a house with 2x4 framing. I don't care how you fasten wood together the joints will work loose going down the road. The Ghost has a welded steel frame much superior to the Seneca aluminum frame. Aluminum work hardens much more quickly that steel does from flexing. The Seneca also has rotomolded basement compartments, the Ghost has steel. If something goes wrong with a steel compartment there's a welder in every little town in America. Try and get rotomolded plastic fixed. As for running gear the Seneca have essentially the same thing, Cummins 6.7, and an Allison 3000 tranny. The frames are a wash as they are both good and the rear ends are a non issue. I don't know who makes them but I've never one of my diesel mechanic friends complain about rearends. That's my take on the subject after about a year of reasonably intensive research.
I own '19 Renegade Verona 36VSB, absolutely love it. Traded in a '12 Tiffin Allegro RED. After now owning both, I will never go back into a class A rig.
The handling and secure feeling of the Super C is amazing.
I own a 2020 Renegade Verona LE - LDG
I Love this Super C - I went from 42 foot class A
Very cool - so glad you like it! - MJ
We own a Renegade Valencia. We didn’t need a lot of towing so it is perfect for us. We previously owned a regular class c on a F 450 chassis but really had problems going up and down mountains. Our Renegade Valencia has everything we need.
We love Renegades. 👍 - MJ
One item that is rarely mentioned, to give you better uphill performance, is a "gear-splitter". We had one put into our Class C with a Ford 460 engine and it ran away from some cars going up long mountain highways. It basically almost doubles the amount of gears you have, keeping the RPM in the sweet spot.
We have the 2022 nexus triumph..bunkhouse, King bed.. ýýythe Alison transmission AMAZING/// We love it. We travel nationally for work. This rv is perfect
I had a Seneca A class RV for a few years and loved it. Drove great and was nicely equipped! We started with a C class then went to the A class and finally got a Itasca 23ft B class, we love it for trips! We don’t do parks anymore or off Grid so hotel to hotel trips we love it! We’ll keep this B class for as long as we go RV tripping! 🙋🏼♂️💃🏼🕺🏼
Thanks for sharing!
Matt photo-bombing was awesome - on the Matthew Mcconaughey 🤩😁
We love you Matt! I caught the jump! “Super Excited…!”
We have a 2020 Renegade Verona 34 Vqb since Oct. 2020. We love it. We got this size as we did not need a washer an dryer and didn't need a king bed. Wanted to stay under 35 feet. We tow a Ford Edge.
That’s a great coach!!
Izzy
We have a Renegade Verona and love it! Great quality.
That’s a great coach. Enjoy
Izzy
Great information! As a happy owner of a Fleetwood Discovery coach, I never even realized the different levels of the Super C’s until you pointed them out. Of course that seems to be the case with all RV’s. I wish I could be there so keep the videos coming and enjoy the show.
Thanks so much for the kind words. What year is your Discovery and how do you like it? - MJ
@@EndlessRVing we bought our 2017 Discovery 39g in September of 2020 with 17k miles from the original owner. It’s a 41’ bunk model, in like new condition. It’s our first motor coach and we absolutely love it! There isn’t anything I would want to change about it. Yes, it has had a few quirks to work through, but we knew that going in. We are self employed with somewhat flexible schedules and have been able to use it quite a bit. Since we are located in the triad area of North Carolina, we have a lot of travel options. We love your channel and it has helped us a lot. I look forward to your upcoming videos for this year. I hope you and Izzy have a safe trip home today! Take care.
Ben Covington
@@bencovington9016 that’s awesome. We really enjoyed seeing the Discoveries at the show. Take care! - MJ
Very helpful Super C line up explained . Thanks guys . Good work.
Really enjoyed the comparison of levels and chassis differences.
Great thanks for watching! - MJ
I looked at a used Seneca Super C. When I took the GCVWR and subtracted the actual weight, it only had 4000lbs difference. That didn't match the 5000 tow rating this one had. That was before they went to the new chassis. That is something you should watch out for.
Hey Roy you don’t have those problems with the Renegade Classic, Showhauler or Supreme Aire 😀
Izzy
Thank you for saying the price point and the length because a lot of times they forget to say that part !
you guys are great!!’n
I think for Super C motorhomes, it's the engine/drivetrain that makes or breaks the deal for me. Honestly, even the Cummings 6.7L 370hp 800 torque is to small of an engine for that price point. You really want the REAL Super C with either the DD15 or the Cummings X series with at least 500hp and 1850 torque
Easy to service a motor up front. It’s faster access for services and depending on Engine please talk available service Off the interstate. See I always consider that before I purchase because my choices are then limited to the ability to get service. I purchased a Ford and not a Mercedes for that very reason. Let’s talk super C’s freight liner versus caterpillar let’s see where the services are and will those places who advertise service for Big Rigs service one on a motorhome? Because I have been hearing sometimes they won’t and we need to know if that could truly become a problem.
Kathy, you mentioned Freightliner and Caterpiller. The former is a truck mfg, the latter is an engine mfg. Catterpiller got out of the on road diesel engine business around 2008 as it chose not to develop engines to meet the unreasonable Federal emission rules.
If you are traveling on Interstates you can get an oil change at 3AM & a tire or set of tires on Sunday afternoon for your Dynamax Freightliner Columbia Grand Sport GT. Or we can.😊
Great video. Very informative. This must have been yesterday. I was at the show today and the weather was perfect.
Thanks Jean! - MJ
Good info to know. Thanks guys.
Nice to finally see you both
in person. We are the Tiffin folks from Jacksonville, Fl.
Thanks for saying hi today Bruce!
Izzy
Very informative thank you. Matt is such a good guy.
He really is. Thanks for watching. - MJ
I would not own or buy a Jayco etc. I had 2 37' 5th wheels, 2 41' class A diesel pushers, and on my second super C. I would never go back, my last super C (haulmark) would have lasted me forever (owned it for 7 years). But I wanted a garage. I would only buy two brands of super C, Haulmark or Renegade. My current unit is a Haulmark 45' with a 11 foot garage. Its on a Volvo chassis with a 600hp volvo engine, getting about 9 mpg( I will never get another frieghtliner / junk). The only thing I will say is look at the "jaco" type builds ( interior and exterior) then look at the ones I am talking about. I give you all credit for monetizing an idea/ what you like and making videos etc. This helps out the masses for sure. But at least in regard to this subject lack of exposure/ experience shows. You do a nice job for the general / go out and grab an RV for a little trip crowd etc, I am sure. You are not unlike many channels about RVs / camping etc. Keep doing what you are doing, your key audience must get value out of it and your hard work shows
Thanks for the feedback. We have actually toured the Showhauler factory as well as several other factories. Being that Haulmark does not manufacture Super C’s anymore we could not get to that one. We did make it very clear about the chassis in the Seneca and as well as what we would consider Super C’s. Thanks for the advice and perhaps with your wealth of knowledge you can start a channel and share it with others.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing I did not know Haulmark stopped. I am not a fan of Showhauler.....been in several of theirs....I liked their video of how they do construction. Thanks for the reply...keep up the strong content
@@EndlessRVing my experience is very limited and focused to and for my applications. No interest in starting a channel, I used mine for two trips a year for personnel use and the rest was to carry me and my bicycles to my next work location with my own bed., work a week or two then move to the next etc anywhere in the country. I stay mostly on military bases and find public use camp grounds way too expensive and not secure enough for meI am very private. You both provide a very good service and put alot into it on a broad base.
Amazing job BTW - Ya'll along with a couple of others like Matt are helping educate us :)
Glad you enjoyed! - MJ
Great job. Excellent content.... Looking at super C class..... $$$$ is dictating the limit for me. Thanks 👍
I'm in the market for a Super-C and love the Seneca/Accolade 37L as it's a great family floor plan and has decent chassis capability. From what I'm seeing the GVWR on the new '21 models are up to 31k which puts it just 2k lbs. shy of a class 8 truck, I think..
Also with the Seneca Prestige and Accolade XL (brand new models - maybe you'll see them at the show) you get aqua hot, tile floors, roof mounted awning, etc. That's a pretty tempting combination of higher end features.
They are nice units but they are certainly not built like the Renegade Classic or showhaulers. A used one of those units are a far better vehicle. But it’s all personal choice. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
I totally agree 👍
My brother and I raced out of a "super c " A kenworth t600 build with a 13 spd Eaton and 200 gallons of fuel. Shifting gears ourselves got some respect at the fuel stops. I can't blame the industry for making RVer level fancy rigs now. There are only so many of us racers out there.
Now thats a real Super C. Thanks for sharing
Izzy
Great video. I own a 21 Entegra Accolade 37K "Super C". Personally when shopping I looked at the level 5s and didn't like their interiors. I like Acura and not Cadillac and that's what this represented to me. Sure my level 3 doesn't do what the 5 does but it definitely fits my need. I feel at that level you're really getting the "Super" out of the C, because in a class A its just gas or diesel. I don't need the commercial rather something specifically design for RV use that's why I didn't like the M2 chassis.
Glad you're happy with it. Enjoy and safe travels, Winford. 👍 - MJ
We just purchased the same 21 Entegra 37K - traded in our Newmar Dutch Star. Our first trip is to Sturgis in 2 weeks and we are really excited for her “maiden voyage”
I love the way it drives and rides. Curious how your experience has been with it?
@@kerringhands our experience so far is good. We purchased during a time when supply was dwindling and workers weren't catching COVID. So most of our issues are minimal compared to others who have recently purchased. I think it's starting to become the norm across all brands right now even more expensive brands are not immune. We recently started our own channel on CZcams and will start doing more videos as well.
The thing I love about mine is pulling in anywhere for service. Mine is old but still good as new. Love pulling hills in the mountains and watching the commercial drivers struggle.
Jason, what rv do you own?
@@rrrrkoop2776 jayco Seneca
That was a great video. Good explanation.
What about class 8 chassis that are old style long nose vs aero? Like a Kenworth T680 vs W900 or W990? Or Peterbilt 579 vs 389? Freightliner Cascadia vs 122SD?
Do you know about visibility, room, noise, and comfort between those two styles of cabs?
Great review !!! So many types of “Super C’s”. Love the Renegade VERONA. Not sure if we’ll go with that in 5-6 years or a DP.
Don’t drive one because you will really start doubting if you want a DP!! They drive like a dream.
Izzy
LOL. I think we may head to Dylan’s RV if we do test drive. That way we can drive the Newmar DP and the Super C
I love the Freightliner M2 cab & chassis. I think the Jayco product makes for a real nice Super C if I was in the market. But I will keep on RVing in my low mileage Class A. Scheduled for my annual chassis safety & service inspection, lube & oil change at Cummins Coach Care in a few weeks! Prepping for Happy Camping in 2021...
Awesome enjoy your DP!
Izzy
Sorry we missed you guys. With a new grandbaby less than a month old, we just couldn't take the chance, but was hoping to check out the show. Hopefully, we get to some kind of normal by the next show!
Thanks for watching the video maybe see you in 22
Izzy
Super C is truly S2RV or equal and above.
Some of the hard-core Class 8 groups don't even want to be called Super C.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching Mike.
Izzy
Agree. My personal rule is if it doesn't have air brakes, it's not a Super C.
Do you need to have a CDL to drive a rig with air brakes?
@@gjkollar9345 state dependent. In NJ no if it’s a recreational vehicle.
@@gjkollar9345 typically 26,000 GVWR dictates a license upgrade.
Here in TX if above the 26K, you are required to get a license upgrade, for personal use, it is a NON-CDL.
Well put together and informative without causing the viewer's brain to lock up from technical mumbo-jumbo.
Oh, and a nice photobomb by Matt. I watch his channel too because he is also a very good speaker and knows how to explain RVs to his audience.
Thanks!
Yeah. Because we know all that technical mumble jumbo is all senseless anyway. 😂
I did enjoy the review. Thanks for the horsepower and torque specs also
Highly informative, love your reviews, thank you
Thanks so much. 😃 - MJ
Thank you y'all are doing so great reviewing.
Thanks a ton, John. 👍 - MJ
Nice video...looks a little chilly there for Flo-rida - brrrr! When I see a Ford F550, I usually don't think of "Super C" but hey, I don't make up the rules either. Happy trails to-ya!!
IT was a little cold for my taste! - MJ
Awesome job you’re the best
We own a Showhauler Casscadia DD13. That is a real Super C as noted in the video. Nobody makes a quality RV like Showhauler- period. Thanks for the excellent video.
You may want to watch the video we are releasing tonight at 6:00 pm 😉
By defination a Super C HAS TO BE A SEMI Truck, not a pick up by ford dodge workhouse etc. They qualify as an adventure vehicle but NOT A SUPER C. The advantage of a Super C is that your radiator is in the front of the vehicle, not behind the rear wheels where is is picking up ALL the Dust from your vehicle. Also it's chassie is 70,000 lbs GVWR, so you can have equipment and assories inside that are RESIDENTIAL quality and weight, you get a better build rig for full time living and the ability to haul a stacker trailer if you need too take everything you have with you. The BRAKES on these Super C are made to stop 100,000 lbs and the rear TANDAM axels give more contact to the road as well as 8 drive wheels helping you move in rough terrain. A big class A with a tag axel help hold the weight and with braking but leaves you stuck in mud or sand as only 2 wheels will turn and they are the ones with no traction, Super C's are best suited for boondockers who will head off the paved roads and get to remote places. They also have the heavy duty frame and suspensions that easily take forest service roads in style. CHEERS Steve h.
We agree Steve. That is why we had to make the video to point out some slick marketing being used.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
I have a NRC super C, it is a 515 hp cat motor with a 6spd alison, NRC does an amazing job and will build whatever you like
very nice thanks for sharing
Just got a 2021 Wraith 34W, Took it out for a couple trips before winter. Like it so far. In storage for the winter. Hope to travel in the spring.
Cool, enjoy it once it comes out of hibernation. :) - MJ
Matt the best photo bomber 🤣
Last thing I would want is to worry about airbrakes freezing up or needing adjusted. Or a hose blowing off. Been there. But a rig that could tow 10k would be nice. The smaller, non airbrake rig gets my attention. I would feel at home at the wheel of an international again. Eventually I would stop reaching for the gearshift and the air brake valve. Lol
LOL Thanks for checking out the video.
Good review. But of course you would go with larger heavier super c with more power. But we all don’t have that kind of $.
I am looking at the magnitude 34 RB y'all forgot to mention that the magnitude and Omnia some floor plans can come with 4-wheel drive packages good video well put together and the reason why I'm going to get a magnitude 34 RB is because 10000 lb Towing comes with four wheel drive it should pull my Carver Monterey 26 with a tri-axle trailer that I am currently restoring with no problem with hills and mountains
Good luck to you! - MJ
We own a 40ft. Renegade Verona LE, which we consider the sweet spot of the Renegade Super C lineup. The LE version has many of the features of more expensive super C motorhomes such as porcelain flooring, premium cabinetry, and nice interior appointments. It is built on a Freightliner M2 commercial chassis, and comes with an 8.9 L Cummins and an Allison truck 6 speed transmission. Air brakes, air ride rear suspension, and air ride front seats, are features that have served us well. We want to you to know that although Renegade builds great Rvs in general, the Verona LE offers what we consider to be a better value than the standard Verona. Like we said, the sweet spot. We have never wished for more power or load capacity, nor do we have any complaints about ride or handling. Five years and counting of great RV experiences. Your mileage may vary.
Most people would not realize how motorhomes aren’t the end all of the end all. The people aren’t working for $30-45 per hour and great benefits. Unless it’s changed since I retired a few years back, the people are making about $12.50-15.00 or slightly more, but not much. They have Monday/Friday models, just like other manufacturers we have in the USA.Just hope the brakes are good people!
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Thank you for this video. I have been a lifelong Class C owner. Presently on number 8 over 40 years. I always looked at the freight liner chassis and drooled. Nice but .... $$$$.
Thank you for the clarifications.
Be proud as Americans. You can wear or do what you want when you want. It is no one’s business what political party or person you support. Continue to be A PROUD AMERICAN.
Hi Guys! Great overview. As I've mentioned in the past, we have the Renegade Verona and absolutely love it. After 2 years and 20,000 miles we have had ZERO problems other than a couple of screws backing off on the door. We could easily travel in this motorhome comfortably for the next 15 years. We test drove the Renegade Valencia. I found the differene between the 6.7 litre 360hp with 800 torque and the 8.9 350hp with 1,150 torque to be a night and day difference, especially on the hills. In my opinion it is worth stepping up to the 8.9 even if that means delaying the purchase to save up a bit more cash. I spoke with a Renegade technician who said anyone he speaks with that saved by getting the Valencia 6.7/800 is disipointed and wished they stepped up to the Verona 8.9/1,150.
I consider the big boy Class 8 models to be in their own league. I'd be interested in your opionion on the difference in ride quality we would gain stepping up to the Cascadia. Is it remarkabley different from the M2 in your opinion? Enjoy the rest of the show!
We haven't driven a Cascadia, but would think it would make a big difference. Glad to hear you're so happy with your Renegade! - MJ
I also have a Verona LE. Love the power and the sturdier deck in all Renegades. Nobody seems the talk about the thickness of the Renegade decks but it is a big deal.
We have the 34’ 2017 Nexus Ghost & absolutely LOVE it!! Tons of space. The ride is phenomenal. Tremendous power.
Awesome! Enjoy it and thanks for watching. - MJ
I perchased a 2022 40' fifth wheel and the service stopped as soon as they cashed the check. There is no consumer protection in the industry. The only code compliance is supported and payed for by the manufacturers
Really good , informative video much appreciate. We own 2021 Verona LE 40 LRB and it’s absolutely amazing.
That’s a great coach you have. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Love my Renagade Verona LE.
All out of my price rang. I’ll stay with my $50,000 5th wheel trailer
Thanks for watching
I hear you
Be wary of salespeople that tell the towing capacity based in the hitch rating. Jayco has a new model with a 12k lb hitch but only has a 1750 lb difference between gross and combined gross weight ratings.
Great job.. keep them coming
Thanks Thomas! - MJ
I don't care what it's called. I just want a class-C RV with a diesel engine. I always thought all those class-C's built on the E-350-550 chassisshould allow you to get one with the diesel engine. I mean, the E-350/550 vans had a diesel engine option, why not the RV's? The reason I want this is safety, engine life, and servicability. Nobody likes working on diesel pushers, but when the engine is out front it's no different than working on a truck. Anyway. Thanks for another great video.
You got it. Thank you!
What kind of Miles per gallon without towing should these Super C's Average??
Thanks for the quick review . Many different units & price points for everyone. Like all things RV you can spend a little for a basic rig or a fortune for a high end unit.
Yep, thanks for watching Pete. 👍 - MJ
My wife and I have a Nexus Wraith. We are very, very happy with this RV. The size works well with us and our 3 cats.
The International Light Chassis has given us absolutely no problems. We have 35,000 miles on the motorhome over 2 1/2 years.
We have hydraulic brakes which work fine with our RVI Brake for our towed vehicle.
Our Wraith is 32 feet long and seems a nice size for easily getting around.
We did spend $10,000 at delivery for an updated Liquid Springs suspension system. This suspension made the RV very stable and really easy to drive. We can drive all day comfortably.
So glad you're happy. Yes, driving with Liquid Spring is like no other driving experience. LOL Thanks for watching! - MJ
Thanks, very good info. Started looking at used Super C's and saw a 2021 Magnitude 35BH yesterday and the CCC is only 1450lbs!
I test drove a bunch of different Super C’s. I thought the engine noise was too much for the money.
Hello Izzy and MJ!! I have never really considered this class, mostly out of ignorance......until I see the info on your channel!!! Though only your first couple of examples are in our range, I really liked the upper end one! It has the capability that you never have to count pounds on!
Safe travels and have an awesome time down there!
P.s. Matt gets -10 points for not doing his fist pump jump while photo bombing you
LOL Thanks Alan! - MJ
Thanks for the review! I disagree with how you categorized "Super C" which you seemed to do by price point at the end of this video. The "Super" class is more commonly defined by whether the coach is built on a true Class 8 commercial type truck chasis and has suspension sufficient enough to give it the size and weights (including towing) in that class. Ergo, the Jayco, Dynamax, Nexus, Renegade, Showhauler, etc, are all true Super Cs. The diferences are mainly quality and engine power. I will quickly concede that our 2021 Dynamax Force HD 37TS is not the quality of the Renegade for example. But for the $250k ($320k MSRP) price it's a true Freightliner M2 106 chasis and a Cummins L9 with a 50,000 mile service interval 350 HP and 1150 torque. The interior fit and finish is very good and Dynamax now makes it almost identical to the DX3 model. Check it out when you can. Cheers!
I think we made it pretty clear a super C is a class 7 or 8 hdt truck chassis. With that said Nexus, Jayco, Thor and quite a few others would not fit into that category but are still marketed as Super C’s. Thanks for watching and the comment.
You are shortening the life of your motor if you stick to that idiotic 50,000 mile service interval. You should change the oil at roughly 18,000 miles, that is a good mileage for general usage. If you are towing heavy, and driving regularly, I would service between 12,000 and 18,000 depending upon conditions. And then the EGR tuneups, these EPA motors need yearly maintenance on both the DPG and SCR systems. Which includes sensor changes and cleaning of certain components. The dealership network does not do any of this, many will laugh at you if you even suggest doing something like this. They laugh because it is more profitable for them to replace your turbo or EGR cooler than to install a new intake manifold pressure sensor. There is also the exhaust back pressure sensor too... And a filter for the SCR system that is normally always neglected. Learn the systems on your rig, do not be at the mercy of the dealerships, who in most cases have no clue on maintaining or much less fixing an EPA motor. They are great at throwing expensive parts at it though, try not to be a victim.
If you own a Cummins, you can go to Cummins Quickserve and sign up for a free account, where you can get all of the info on your motor, along with a complete parts breakdown and the same service manual the dealers use so that you can do your own repairs, right down to rebuilding the motor in your driveway like I did. I too was a victim of the Cummins dealer network.
What if you have no mechanical knowledge? Do not buy one? Just asking!
Ok you are there at the show. The Super C is there. Now time to drive it home👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
😂 Would be nice! - MJ
If I were to buy a super C I would buy either a Renegade or iKon.
Soon to be joining the Super C crowd, we have a 2021/2022 Dynamax Dynaquest XL 3400KD on order. Hope to have it in September, after it gets built. :) Built on M2-112 with Cummins 8.9 ISL 450hp/1250tq and Allison 3200TRV.
Congrats and enjoy.
Izzy
Though this is an old video, I'm gonna comment for others who may be still looking for a rig. We currently own a Nexus Ghost. It is a 2021 30R. We purchased it in Tampa in April of 2021. Now, May of 2022, we are going to work with ShowHauler to custom design something that is handicapped accessible. I don't want a class a. I want a true SUPER C. Not just a class c. Though this Nexus looks good at a glance, we have experienced issues from the first week we owned it. The only reason the company didn't have me show up at their front door was because their customer service rep for our area was an awesome woman and she worked with me closely until we had all of the major issues fixed. I would be keeping this rig for a few more years had my husband not been in an accident in February of this year. Now, he struggles with everything about this rig. So, we are going to move on to something new.
Thanks for sharing.
@@EndlessRVing Thank you for making this video. It was one of the best for informing buyers of the differences. Very much needed and appreciated.
Another informative video...thanks for sharing. I really had very little knowledge of the super-c class other than seeing it on a few channels. Only thing is the click-bait title. Maybe I missed it but there is no con with these is there? Keep up the great content and thanks for representing the garden state! We stayed at the KOA in Clarksboro right after watching your video. Papa was craving a cheesesteak from Reading Terminal Market!
The con is that Super C'as are built on Class 7/8 HDT chassis. So a Super C built on any less of a chassis is technically not a "Super C". That is why we titled it the way we did. Hope you enjoyed that cheesesteak! - MJ
Haha photo bombed by Matt, that dudes a trip.
Would be nice if Newell and Liberty Coach made Super C's on the new 2023 Cascadia chassis . The interiors on most of the Super C's look a little dated, with the hard edge wood cabinetry and bland fixtures compared to the more upscale interiors you see on Newell and Liberty Coaches. Another note, the Newmar Super C's on a Cascadia chassis is potentially a more attractive package, my opinion. Great video, thanks for your hard work.
Waiting for my Verona 36VSB ordered last September , hoping for March delivery, watched your drive test vid with Jim , awesome job on that !
Thanks so much! Good luck with your new rig- MJ
Thanks for the video as I learned a lot as I did not know there is such a difference in options. Not knowing can really be a expensive mistake as well as a waste of time.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
You missed the number one reason why we're considering a Super C over a Class A. SAFETY! Unless it's on a commercial bus chassis, most Class A motorhomes are the functional equivalent of driving down the road in a Yeti cooler. There are no NHTSA crash standards for RVs.
By contrast, the Super C offers all the built in crash worthiness and safety mechanisms that are inherent in the commercial truck from which they were developed. If I have to be in an accident, I wager that I'd have a better chance for survival in the Super C.
Don t get in an accident
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Thanks for another informative video.
Our pleasure!- MJ
Just drove back from Florida after picking up our 2021 Newmar Super C model 4061. Drove great and look forward to meeting you on the road sometime.
Great video. Very informative. Just ran across your video, it's Nov 2021 are we are looking at a 2020 Thor Magnitude in SC $180K. After watching your video I'm asking myself if the 2022 Fla Show may have the same deals ($230K / $150K Show price).
Currently own a Dynamax (by Forest River) with a Cummins 8.9L engine and love the chassis but near-hate the RV side of it, which was obviously built with max profit, minimal quality, and poor attention-to-detail. Have driven it from the central U.S. to the west coast over the Rocky Mountains -- and it powered through just fine even when fully-loaded and pulling our small SUV. But the downside: all of the vinyl upholstery began spontaneously shredding in the third year; there are no USB ports at all and very few electrical outlets; the unit came with NO toilet paper holders and NO towel racks; indoor storage is VERY limited; and on and on. Based on our experience, I wouldn't ever consider buying a Forest River RV again. Thanks for your informative video.
Thanks for sharing that info
im not impressed with them either. I dont even own an rv yet and i just cant fathom how the poor quality is accepted, regardless of price. At one dealer, maybe 20 miles from the factory over here in the southern end of the willamette valley of Oregon, a few trailers had already fallen apart. Kinda blew my mind that the dealer would even show them to the public. salesman said theyd fix it before i bought it, but that just pretty much turned me off of anything forest river. if it cant make it 20 miles brand new, i cant imaging the issues it will have over its probable short life span.
@@killstrees Agree. A friend of ours bought a brand-new Forest River 5th-wheel. It was a showroom model and she noticed the floor was warped but didn't worry because the dealer promised to fix it. I had to tactfully discuss the probability that a showroom floor model with such a major flaw likely had other problems she couldn't see, and suggested she have it inspected by an experienced RV person so she could get warranty work done before she got to use it. Good luck to her. But this crap continues because the bad players in the RV industry have much to gain and nothing to fear.
That was kinda funny 😆 Matt video bombed it 😮😮
I want a true Super C 🙏🏻🤙🏼❤️🇺🇸
Join the crowd!
Izzy
Great job on the overview. I appreciate it. Keep the videos coming. Wish we were there.
Thanks glad you enjoyed! - MJ
Love the class super C just saw them my first time at RV show yesterday. Maybe we will trade up from gas motorhome in a few years
Yes, they are pretty awesome. Thanks for watching Patricia! - MJ