I am here because Home Depot did not have an 8260 in store today (even though they thought they had 2). How lucky that I found this review. The compact Milwaukee 3ah will probably do very well in this tool. I really appreciate your content.
Bought the dremel 8250 because of the brushless motor and bosch battery, the switch failed on the first day. Hopefully it was just a defect with the unit i had. Haven't had problems with the milwaukee.
Just as a suggestion, when you do your bar graphs, can you arrange them from best to worst? Like the highest RPM being the farthest to the left and the slowest being to the farthest right? Just easier to see and understand which ones are better abs makes the graph more linear. Anyway... Great video, love the testing and it feels good when you see the tool you bought do well in said tests.
@@Tools-Tested Awesome! Thank you kindly. That will make it much easier to see which brand does best and which does the worst. I am pretty dumb so seeing colors and simple pictures are all I understand. Lol
Another interesting video, presumably the larger capacity batteries can maintain a higher cutting speed and torque under load. Shame about the Ryobi, it looked like a reasonable setup. Proxxon are quite readily available in the UK and very popular amongst home-based machinists. They are usually good quality and offer a number of their own accessories, hence the non-standard fit. Not too bad a price, £175 for the kit in the UK.
Yep didn’t expect battery’s would matter on such a small tool. Definitely a let down by ryobi on this on…. The proxxon is definitely nice just a little pricey here, but high quality.
@@tom4542 only because of the 6ah battery. What happens when you put a 6ah battery on the Dremel? Many power tools will show power gains when a higher amperage battery is used. Not knocking the Milwaukee though. Great for those already invested in the M12 line, especially if you already own the batteries
I got one question about the M12 did you notice any excessive vibration from it? I have seen several reviews on the M12 and the Dremel 8220 it's a tough decision between the two but one thing I have heard some say the vibration from the M12 is almost unbearable? Thx
Nice vid. I think u missed the point a little though about proxxon re standard collar adaptor. Proxxon have their own accessories and stands etc way better made than the dremel or generic.. just as expensive of course but next level. The motor itself or the battery is nothing special, it's all the stuff around it that is built better that allows it to work with way more precision, especially the drilling station etc. Still for regular work I agree the milwaukee is king... not sure the brushless version is worth the wait or spend, this is fine for any job you would use these tools
@@Tools-Tested Thanks for the information! It is too bad that most M12 rotary tool reviews don't cover what add-ons from other vendors (e.g. Dremel) that can be used with the M12 (other than the bits).
I will in a few months, working on perfecting the drill dyno right now. My plan is to build a Dyno for Dremel tools. Only the 8240 can use the 6aah. The 6ah won't fit the 8250 or 8260 because of the tail hitting the base.
I wonder how the milwuakee m12 rotary tool would perform with the new 2.5Ah High Output battery, i already have a percussion drill Milwaukee M12 line (M12FPDX) and 2x2Ah + 1x6Ah battery so now i am currently deciding whether i should go for the Dremel 8260, 8250 or just go for the Milwaukee rotary tool.
I didn't see much of a difference using the 2.5 in the rotary tool. But seeing you already have m12 I would buy the rotary tool. I tested it with 2.5 and 5ah in this video czcams.com/video/_XUYeFqlLGc/video.html.
I am new to the dremel rotary tools i purchase the 8220 and the 8240 and I only going to use it for cleaning gold,silver and brass can I use Bosch batteries as an additional
So both use bosch battery's, availability depends on your location. In the US bosch batterys for the 8220 are hard to find but common in Europe. 8240 uses the current gen bosch batterys that are found in the US and Europe. Hope this helps.
The only problem with the 8220 is the battery is proprietary. Meaning that battery doesn't fit into other tools. Just an FYI, when your battery dies, go to amazon for a replacement, they make knockoffs that are cheap to replace and work really well. I myself went with the M12 after my battery died, mainly so I could add to the tool line with that battery working with multiple tools
What about vibration and shaft runout with Dremel? I have bought 3 model in the row (8220, 8260, 8260) and all had strong vibration at 10-15 thousand rpm. I returned them to shop. Now I can't decide to buy 8240 or Bosch GRO 12V-35, because I'm tired of the lottery with 8260
I didn't really notice it @ 10-15K most do have a good amount of vibration, I would say the Proxxon had the lowest. But it's hard to say without putting a meter on it. I haven't tested the Bosch 12v-35.
I wouldn’t say it’s a huge factor, I’ve had a corded brushed Dremel for about 15 years without issues. I’m going to dyno them soon so it will be interesting to see how the brushed 8220 compares to the 8260
I have burnt up two of the m12 rotary tools each with less a few hours on them. The second one happened two days ago and started smoking in my hands and completely died while cutting a small piece of steel.
Same issue. I've had three replaced under warranty by Milwaukee. Hopefully, their new design is more robust. Every one of mine failed with different electronics issues after limited use, and I wasn't doing anything particularly stressful on the tool when they failed. It is powerful, but has horrible electronics. Meanwhile, an old Dremel I've got keeps on going.
Yeah it gave the 8240 a boost, sadly though you can’t use the 6ah in the 8250 or 8260 bc of how they designed the housing. The tail on the tool hits the bump out on the battery before it’s fully seated.
@@Tools-Tested thanks for replying, sorry I wasn't a bit more specific, I meant the m12 2460, was the rpm higher with higher ah batteries? My 2460, which is the newest iteration says it tops out at 37,000 RPM and you got roughly +30,000< with the 1.5ah, which is the worst battery for it, so I can only imagine it performs better with higher ahs.
hey so i saw you recently reviewed ryobis new 4v usb rotary tool... what are your thoughts on the 4v vs the 12v lil in this vid? i like the 4v for the looks and feel id suspect, but im curious about how mucj of a difference there is in power between the 2... i wish the 4v wasnt that far behind to justify but i cant say without trying both... n i seen you have used both so figured id ask if u prefer one over the other??
I would say the 4V really is only good for polishing and sanding, light work. The 12v would be your normal rotory tool performance, but I really don't like that the battery is built in. Seeing its built in, defiantly takes longer to charge over USB vs other ones in its class. I have quite a few Ryobi tools, but in this case I would recommend the Milwaukee or Dremel 8250. Hope this helps.
Yea but the M12 doesnt come with a charger or battery even.. The 6 amp battery by Milwaukee is $120 and getting a charger is apparently $99 as well.. Well over $300 doesnt even come close to these other options you have. I went with the 8260 since I couldnt find the $120 M12 combo kit they used to offer.
If dremel made a 6 AH battery for their tool it would outperform the Milwaukee. If you compare them all together with the same amp hour battery the dremel wins. If you can buy a Bosch 6AH battery with the dremel you should try that and do a comparison on that. AH changes everything in a tool literally. Voltage is one thing but AH is the real power behind it.
Yep, the sad part is you cant use the 6AH Bosch on the 8250 or 8260 because on the tail on the tool hits the base. It would be interesting to see what the boost in performance would be though.
Seems like battery life would be slightly longer on the 8250. I feel the 8260 wouldnt last as long due to that small "Dremel" light on the side along with the Bluetooth on.
No suprise the Ryobi was last.. I really cant understand why people bother with the stuff as the prices of them are now not much in the difference for a decent high quality tool.. Id say somthing if Ryobi stuff was half the price of dewalt or similar..
@@Tools-Tested yeah, you wont realise how annoying that actually is until you go to use it and it has no power and needs the battery charged, I had one with the same internal battery, not ryobi but similar, takes over 3 hours to charge it with the usb cable, cant charge it any other way as thats all it has is a usb c port.. Sent it back after 2 weeks.. Pointless.. Never buy an internal battery tool..
My Milwaukee 2460 burned out while cutting some aluminum downspouts. It only had a few hours of moderate use in total. Several online sources indicate the MOSFET switch failed which is common for this tool. Since it would take a half-day to take it for repair and another half-day to pick up the same unreliable tool I wrote the thing off and bought a Dremel 8220 to replace it. I have no idea why the 2460 gets so many good reviews.
@@peterpalmer2429 That is good to hear and I hope the tool keeps working for you. The 2460 has been around for a few years with no major changes. Therre are a few videos that show the disassembly of the tool.and show that the main control board is the size of a large coin. The board in a Dremel 8220 is larger and runs down the side of the tool. Good luck with your 2460.
It’s not common in the US, none of the retailers here carry it. It’s very weird we get a limited line in Bosch tools here. Mainly just drills and laser levels.
Зарядное устройство у Дремеля-плохое-у Бош аккумулятор на 3 Ачас 18 вольт заряжается всего за 1/2 часа...А здесь-на целый час дольше,причём аппарат от Бош-ему уже лет 10,но аккумуляторы до сих пор отлично служат(не профессиональное использование профессионального аппарата).Как-то Дремель в этом вопросе "подкачал".
The fact that you can't remove the battery and the Ryobi is so slow charging is a massive fail. Can't beat Milwaukee for that price, if you've got the larger batteries.
The Milwaukee might perform better with clown shoes on but a person buys a rotary tool for precision and you aren't going to get it grabbing onto that big chunk of plastic... Dremel wins again...🏁 If we're being honest nobody's cutting rebar with a rotary tool rotary tools are intended for precision work
Dremels are made of plastic too. The rebar test was just to demonstrate power, so on some level it did prove something. Although Yes, nobody will cut rebar with a rotary tool.
I agree with you but these are not your grandfather's (or mine) rotary tools. They are miniature construction tools. I have several heavy duty construction tools that would go through that rebar like butter. Two markets have merged for some reason - hobby and construction. They are not the same.
you do know there is a Brushless version of the Milwaukee tool and it now has the wrench for the Collet like the Dremels in the top cap. It's $129 at Home Depot but I'm sure you could find it cheaper it's model # is 2525-20.
I love and enjoy seeing reviews like this! Thank you so much for all your hard work!
No Problem! Thanks for watching!
Ngl you deserve more views and likes.. this is the most thorough review I’ve come across except the last video and that was yours too! ❤
Thanks! Yeah maybe someday the views will grow.
I am here because Home Depot did not have an 8260 in store today (even though they thought they had 2). How lucky that I found this review.
The compact Milwaukee 3ah will probably do very well in this tool. I really appreciate your content.
Thanks!
I have a worx it’s pretty good for my needs and a very nice design
So good thanks for doing these!!
Glad you like it! No problem!
Bought the dremel 8250 because of the brushless motor and bosch battery, the switch failed on the first day. Hopefully it was just a defect with the unit i had. Haven't had problems with the milwaukee.
great video glad im on the milwuakee platform already. going to be needing this tool next. keep up this great vontent
Thanks! Will do!
Great job on the video. I've got that Milwaukee and for what I do (automotive) It's good enough for me, thanks,
Thanks!
Very helpful, thanks
Glad it was helpful!
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Thanks for the info :)
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I was literally looking for this tool
Nice hopefully this helped
Very good video.See you again soon.Thank you.Cheers.👍
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Bravo
Just as a suggestion, when you do your bar graphs, can you arrange them from best to worst? Like the highest RPM being the farthest to the left and the slowest being to the farthest right? Just easier to see and understand which ones are better abs makes the graph more linear.
Anyway...
Great video, love the testing and it feels good when you see the tool you bought do well in said tests.
I will make that change in my next video!
Thanks!
@@Tools-Tested Awesome! Thank you kindly. That will make it much easier to see which brand does best and which does the worst. I am pretty dumb so seeing colors and simple pictures are all I understand. Lol
Dremel 8220 is on sale on Amazon for $80 currently, plus another 5% off with an Amazon charge card or account.
Wonder how Ryobi's newer 12v with removable(?) lithium USB would compare or the new brushless 18v
Another interesting video, presumably the larger capacity batteries can maintain a higher cutting speed and torque under load. Shame about the Ryobi, it looked like a reasonable setup. Proxxon are quite readily available in the UK and very popular amongst home-based machinists. They are usually good quality and offer a number of their own accessories, hence the non-standard fit. Not too bad a price, £175 for the kit in the UK.
Yep didn’t expect battery’s would matter on such a small tool. Definitely a let down by ryobi on this on…. The proxxon is definitely nice just a little pricey here, but high quality.
You should mention that the 8250 is the only one with a brushless motor. It is brand new - May 2022 while the Milwaukee is 10 years old.
Yep, defiantly two good points!
And yet the 10 year old Milwaukee takes 1st. It only took Dremel 10 years to catch up to 2nd.
@@tom4542 only because of the 6ah battery. What happens when you put a 6ah battery on the Dremel? Many power tools will show power gains when a higher amperage battery is used. Not knocking the Milwaukee though. Great for those already invested in the M12 line, especially if you already own the batteries
Robin Williams? Cool
The new Milwaukee brushless rotary tool coming this year is gonna be insane with that 6 ah i hope you test it😊
Yep cant wait! That's the plan!
@@Tools-Tested sweet I’ll be sure to tune in
I got one question about the M12 did you notice any excessive vibration from it? I have seen several reviews on the M12 and the Dremel 8220 it's a tough decision between the two but one thing I have heard some say the vibration from the M12 is almost unbearable? Thx
I really didn't experience excessive vibration with the m12, I would say it is more then the brushless 8260 though.
Nice vid. I think u missed the point a little though about proxxon re standard collar adaptor. Proxxon have their own accessories and stands etc way better made than the dremel or generic.. just as expensive of course but next level. The motor itself or the battery is nothing special, it's all the stuff around it that is built better that allows it to work with way more precision, especially the drilling station etc. Still for regular work I agree the milwaukee is king... not sure the brushless version is worth the wait or spend, this is fine for any job you would use these tools
One nice thing are Dremel is that there are a lot of add-ons for it like guides (router, 45 degree, plunge router adapter etc). Do these fit the M12?
Yeah the m12 has the same thread so theoretically all of the Dremel adapters will work with it.
@@Tools-Tested Thanks for the information! It is too bad that most M12 rotary tool reviews don't cover what add-ons from other vendors (e.g. Dremel) that can be used with the M12 (other than the bits).
you should try the 6ah bosch batterys. Too see if you get the same power increase
I will in a few months, working on perfecting the drill dyno right now. My plan is to build a Dyno for Dremel tools. Only the 8240 can use the 6aah. The 6ah won't fit the 8250 or 8260 because of the tail hitting the base.
I wonder how the milwuakee m12 rotary tool would perform with the new 2.5Ah High Output battery, i already have a percussion drill Milwaukee M12 line (M12FPDX) and 2x2Ah + 1x6Ah battery so now i am currently deciding whether i should go for the Dremel 8260, 8250 or just go for the Milwaukee rotary tool.
I didn't see much of a difference using the 2.5 in the rotary tool. But seeing you already have m12 I would buy the rotary tool. I tested it with 2.5 and 5ah in this video czcams.com/video/_XUYeFqlLGc/video.html.
I am new to the dremel rotary tools i purchase the 8220 and the 8240 and I only going to use it for cleaning gold,silver and brass can I use Bosch batteries as an additional
So both use bosch battery's, availability depends on your location.
In the US bosch batterys for the 8220 are hard to find but common in Europe.
8240 uses the current gen bosch batterys that are found in the US and Europe.
Hope this helps.
Dremel 8220, 12 volt is the one. Lowes has sales, I got the whole kit for 38.00$
Wow that's an awesome deal!
The only problem with the 8220 is the battery is proprietary. Meaning that battery doesn't fit into other tools. Just an FYI, when your battery dies, go to amazon for a replacement, they make knockoffs that are cheap to replace and work really well. I myself went with the M12 after my battery died, mainly so I could add to the tool line with that battery working with multiple tools
What about vibration and shaft runout with Dremel? I have bought 3 model in the row (8220, 8260, 8260) and all had strong vibration at 10-15 thousand rpm. I returned them to shop. Now I can't decide to buy 8240 or Bosch GRO 12V-35, because I'm tired of the lottery with 8260
I didn't really notice it @ 10-15K most do have a good amount of vibration, I would say the Proxxon had the lowest. But it's hard to say without putting a meter on it. I haven't tested the Bosch 12v-35.
But what do you think of the fact that the new dremels brushless motor? How important of a factor do you consider the brushless?
I wouldn’t say it’s a huge factor, I’ve had a corded brushed Dremel for about 15 years without issues. I’m going to dyno them soon so it will be interesting to see how the brushed 8220 compares to the 8260
I have burnt up two of the m12 rotary tools each with less a few hours on them. The second one happened two days ago and started smoking in my hands and completely died while cutting a small piece of steel.
Interesting, thanks for the info!
Same issue. I've had three replaced under warranty by Milwaukee. Hopefully, their new design is more robust. Every one of mine failed with different electronics issues after limited use, and I wasn't doing anything particularly stressful on the tool when they failed. It is powerful, but has horrible electronics. Meanwhile, an old Dremel I've got keeps on going.
My quick change collet on my ryobi won’t budge
Yeah I don't care for it, you can easily over tighten it and it binds up.
I was able to free mine up after unscrewing it from the tool.
Did you ever test RPM with the 6ah? I have a feeling it's probably higher with that battery as well
Yeah it gave the 8240 a boost, sadly though you can’t use the 6ah in the 8250 or 8260 bc of how they designed the housing. The tail on the tool hits the bump out on the battery before it’s fully seated.
@@Tools-Tested thanks for replying, sorry I wasn't a bit more specific, I meant the m12 2460, was the rpm higher with higher ah batteries? My 2460, which is the newest iteration says it tops out at 37,000 RPM and you got roughly +30,000< with the 1.5ah, which is the worst battery for it, so I can only imagine it performs better with higher ahs.
@@andrewavellino6427 no problem, yeah I can’t remember what it was but I know it was higher. The 1.5ah battery is horrible.
hey so i saw you recently reviewed ryobis new 4v usb rotary tool... what are your thoughts on the 4v vs the 12v lil in this vid? i like the 4v for the looks and feel id suspect, but im curious about how mucj of a difference there is in power between the 2... i wish the 4v wasnt that far behind to justify but i cant say without trying both... n i seen you have used both so figured id ask if u prefer one over the other??
A 4V tool sounds like a toy, but I haven't seen it.
I would say the 4V really is only good for polishing and sanding, light work.
The 12v would be your normal rotory tool performance, but I really don't like that the battery is built in. Seeing its built in, defiantly takes longer to charge over USB vs other ones in its class.
I have quite a few Ryobi tools, but in this case I would recommend the Milwaukee or Dremel 8250.
Hope this helps.
I am curious if the USB-C on the Ryobi charges faster when plugged into a USB PD source with a high wattage.
Sorry was away for work, just tested it. No decrease in charging time with PD, my watt tester shows a max of 6 Watts being drawn.
Yea but the M12 doesnt come with a charger or battery even.. The 6 amp battery by Milwaukee is $120 and getting a charger is apparently $99 as well.. Well over $300 doesnt even come close to these other options you have. I went with the 8260 since I couldnt find the $120 M12 combo kit they used to offer.
Interesting, it's surprising they stopped making the kit. Makes me wonder if a new version is on the way.
Thanks for the info!
If dremel made a 6 AH battery for their tool it would outperform the Milwaukee. If you compare them all together with the same amp hour battery the dremel wins. If you can buy a Bosch 6AH battery with the dremel you should try that and do a comparison on that. AH changes everything in a tool literally. Voltage is one thing but AH is the real power behind it.
Yep, the sad part is you cant use the 6AH Bosch on the 8250 or 8260 because on the tail on the tool hits the base. It would be interesting to see what the boost in performance would be though.
Seems like battery life would be slightly longer on the 8250. I feel the 8260 wouldnt last as long due to that small "Dremel" light on the side along with the Bluetooth on.
Yep you would think, but I didn’t see it.
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Yep "Lonely Troutman" czcams.com/video/SRCwbI99d88/video.html
No suprise the Ryobi was last.. I really cant understand why people bother with the stuff as the prices of them are now not much in the difference for a decent high quality tool.. Id say somthing if Ryobi stuff was half the price of dewalt or similar..
Yep and the worst part is the battery isn’t even removable.
@@Tools-Tested yeah, you wont realise how annoying that actually is until you go to use it and it has no power and needs the battery charged, I had one with the same internal battery, not ryobi but similar, takes over 3 hours to charge it with the usb cable, cant charge it any other way as thats all it has is a usb c port.. Sent it back after 2 weeks.. Pointless.. Never buy an internal battery tool..
My Milwaukee 2460 burned out while cutting some aluminum downspouts. It only had a few hours of moderate use in total. Several online sources indicate the MOSFET switch failed which is common for this tool. Since it would take a half-day to take it for repair and another half-day to pick up the same unreliable tool I wrote the thing off and bought a Dremel 8220 to replace it. I have no idea why the 2460 gets so many good reviews.
Unlucky I’ve had mine for 3 years and it runs flawlessly
@@peterpalmer2429 That is good to hear and I hope the tool keeps working for you. The 2460 has been around for a few years with no major changes. Therre are a few videos that show the disassembly of the tool.and show that the main control board is the size of a large coin. The board in a Dremel 8220 is larger and runs down the side of the tool. Good luck with your 2460.
I don’t know why you did not include Bosch GRO 12V. ?
It’s not common in the US, none of the retailers here carry it. It’s very weird we get a limited line in Bosch tools here. Mainly just drills and laser levels.
Зарядное устройство у Дремеля-плохое-у Бош аккумулятор на 3 Ачас 18 вольт заряжается всего за 1/2 часа...А здесь-на целый час дольше,причём аппарат от Бош-ему уже лет 10,но аккумуляторы до сих пор отлично служат(не профессиональное использование профессионального аппарата).Как-то Дремель в этом вопросе "подкачал".
Yep I use my old Bosch charger for Dremel battery's, definitely a let down.
The fact that you can't remove the battery and the Ryobi is so slow charging is a massive fail.
Can't beat Milwaukee for that price, if you've got the larger batteries.
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Not a fan of sped up video footage but I suggest to at least write on screen if video is sped up.
You complain to much, I appreciated the sped up videos.
Music was too loud compared to rest of video.
Music was fantastic, get new headphones!
I suggest remove the video suggestions at end because they cover up the video.
Just removed it, thanks for all the info. I'm working on getting better at video editing lol.
The Milwaukee might perform better with clown shoes on but a person buys a rotary tool for precision and you aren't going to get it grabbing onto that big chunk of plastic... Dremel wins again...🏁
If we're being honest nobody's cutting rebar with a rotary tool rotary tools are intended for precision work
Dremels are made of plastic too. The rebar test was just to demonstrate power, so on some level it did prove something. Although Yes, nobody will cut rebar with a rotary tool.
I agree with you but these are not your grandfather's (or mine) rotary tools. They are miniature construction tools. I have several heavy duty construction tools that would go through that rebar like butter. Two markets have merged for some reason - hobby and construction. They are not the same.
@@awwj22 I have that cordless Dremel and I have three or four other options to cut rebar besides that Dremel
Why did not you talk about the Russia Ukraine war ?
Slava Russia!!
Dremels are junk
you do know there is a Brushless version of the Milwaukee tool and it now has the wrench for the Collet like the Dremels in the top cap. It's $129 at Home Depot but I'm sure you could find it cheaper it's model # is 2525-20.
Yeah I have had it for a month now, just working on a dyno for it.