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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 3. 07. 2024
- Discover the power of the Sunsynk Hybrid Inverter and learn how to revolutionise your energy consumption. In this review, we look at the key system components and how they form a complete solar battery storage installation. Discover how this all-in-one home energy system empowers homeowners to harmonise solar power and tap into affordable on-grid renewables to slash energy bills.
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SunSynk Hybrid solar inverter
hub.efixx.co.uk/Sunsynk_Hybrid
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00:00 SunSynk Hybrid Solar inverter
01:09 What is a hybrid solar inverter?
02:45 Mains input and metering
03:30 Solar panel inputs & DC isolation
04:45 Lithium Ion battery, overload & isolation
05:55 Battery communication bus
06:35 Prosumer installation control & monitoring
07:10 UPS Island mode & earthing
08:02 Current transformer
09:00 Solar panels and MC4 connections
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Done my b-pec Solar and battery course ..learnt more on this channel than 6days in collegeđ
Thanks đ - more solar battery content on the way!
This SunSynk 3.6 kilowatt hybrid inverter is a great example of the future of home energy management systems. It's a Swiss Army Knife of inverters and eFIXX has done a great job of delving into this topic in depth.
Thanks, @life-is-here
Long time viewer, first time commenter. Love this, please make more of this prosumer content. I am on the final stage of my setup - 3kW of panels and 10kWh li-ion storage with a LuxPower hybrid inverter which seems similar to your SunSynk - and that is adding a separate downstairs ring circuit fed from EPS/UPS supply.
I buy 10kWh of energy between 12:30am and 4:30am for 15p per unit, as well as running the washer & dryer and charging the car at that time. Very soon Iâll have the lights, boiler and downstairs circuit islanded, to overcome the flaky rural grid around here.
I think the battery connection at the top felt the most natural and most of us would have fitted it that way. Knowing what we know now Iâd of fabricated a cover to complete the IP rating up the way đȘđ
Great video and yes the DC isolators can be omitted if the inverter isolator complies to EN60947-3, the appropriate control measures are in place, trained and competent persons are used to carry out the work. Otherwise, why would you have an isolator before an isolator đ€·ââïž
Youâd be surprised the arguments Iâve had on Twitter and CZcams about this⊠agree why fit 2 if one meets the requirements
Depending on the inverter disconnect (what we call isolator switches on this side of the pond) means that you would have live PV wires in the inverter unless you shut off any disconnects at the array, as we *never* use MC4 connectors at the inverter. Everything is in conduit or a raceway of some sort.
But you would not have a DC isolator and an AC isolator in series.
No cable in the installation is going to be carrying DC and AC at the same time, or even at different times.
Your videos are so much better than the actual SUNSYNK ones, which mostly seem to be a guy talking but not showing you things.
It depends which battery you install, the Sunsynk 5.3 kwh wall mounted battery is not Ip 65 rated and should be mounted wit hte terminals at the top. The Sunsynk IP 65 5.1 kwh wall mounted
battery must be mounted with the terminals at the bottom.
Looks like the install in my loft. đ
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The guy at sunsynk has some great tutorials on CZcams for electricians.
Keith is a legend
yes but nothing for the end user. I keep trying to find answers to really basic questions for the end user. they don't answer comments or check their own forum. this video is a good overview.
love the inverter but it's made for engineers, and even then the installers don't learn the configuration post install.
Shame their manuals don't tally up
Please use the MC4 wrench to tighten those connectors, they do not look tight enough.
Visual torque that's new đ
App goes down a lot and it outputs a high pitch noise at 15kHz. Old firmware capped PV to 3.8kW but has now been fixed. Otherwise not bad. App issue can be solved by installing a pi with solar assistant on it. Noise issue can be fixed by being old.
wondered why I couldn't hear anything đ
@@efixx Hehe, Im the same. You can see it with a sound analyser. It can make transformers in power supplies scream. Poor kids.
@@timlist5664 pardon?!
Iâd say DC isolators not needed if the inverter didnât have a built in isolator that follows the correct guidelines would you fit 2 DC isolators âjust in caseâ if you look at the system I just fitted which is the new slimline attractive models it would be ruined by an industrial looking isolator next to it
Early in the video you refer to the incoming DC as âhigh voltageâ and the shortly afterwards that it is 450V (approx).
You may want to clear that statement up.
Otherwise I now find myself wanting a brand new setup!
Agreed đ - lots more on this subject coming
sunynk need to look at the mounting arrangements of the 3.6kw ecco, it always looks like its falling off. Not seen one yet that is vertical.
Hi great vid! My Sunsynk system (same as this but with 2 batteries) has the batteries mounted upside down in the loft, is this a problem or should I be going back to my installer? Thanks!
Is a video on the battery performance?
Excellent video Gordon , very interesting. Unlike EV ,
But I canât help thinking why thaff around with all that stuff why not just do what a lot of Americans do and go completely off grid? .
Great video as always đ
Thanks Sean - we need more sun and bigger roofs to go fully off grid!
@@efixx is there any regs or law that say we canât go of grid ?
@@Dog-whisperer7494 No there is a house near me which didn't want electricity when they electrified the area in 1956, and today it would cost over ÂŁ25,000 for the 11kv network to be extended - It's staying off grid.
Is there a maximum length for the CT connection ? My inverter and solar panels will be at the garage 50m away from the incoming meter tails. The garage does have a separate consumer unit but will not be useful for CT connection. Will the signal and wiring manage the 50m distance?
I am hoping Efixx will get Mr Joe Robinson to scratch a little deeper on, safe location for lithium batteries, External SPD requirements, external DC isolators, circuit breakers and fuses used for both solar and battery short circuit protection and safe isolation, maybe even offer a guidleline to safe locations for lithium batteries and the use of cat 5/6 cables (for CT's) in wireways with 230 VAC cabling.
We are trying to get an expert on lithium ion battery safety in the show in the coming months. Stay tuned later today for Joe looking at ac va dc isolation.
Which director does the manual say the battery should be on that manual? Even thou itâs a LFP battery you donât want the electrolyte not to cover the busbars correctly most manufacturers stress a set direction for use.
The battery can go in any direction, itâs the wiring regs which stipulate the IP4X requirements. Originally they were designed to mount in 19 inch racks.
What I would like to see is an in depth video into safe locations for these lithium batteries. Can you install a lithium battery in a bedroom or a study next to a desk where you are working or a hallway?
I certainly wouldn't advise it after seeing some videos of Tesla batteries failing.
These systems are LFP and donât get thermal runaway. LFP one of the safest types of lithium chemistry
@@dvrn86 tesla is lifepo4 ???
In someone else's house!
@@PhilippeCJR Tesla is NMC for Powerwall and some of their EVs now LFP
This sort of setup is best if you have a ground floor utility room (such as a small extension to your garage) where you can hide away all the bits and bobs but allow easy and safe access for maintenance as putting them in your loft really annoys the Squirrels hiding away there
Testing in islanding mode, how would you carry out a loop (neutral and earth) impedance test? Could you damage the unit if not done correctly?
After lots of testing most need a separate esth rod on island or IT mode..
And fitting a type A rcd socket đ
Great video, how does this compare to the Victron?
Weâll try to get hold of one and find out
We have a 5kw sunsynk with 10 450w solar panels and we still buy the same amount of electricity every month it's like it's not even there
Qtn: I always thought a hybrid inverters can work independently without a battery pack.. is this true?
I.e, my house can be powered by solar during the day and switch back to grid in the night or when there's no sun..
I need to make my choices right here on whether I can cut costs by eliminating the batteries.
Thank u
You can use these as regular solar inverters and add batteries later if required.
If like me you don't want the app and transponder the generation meter is an essential part of the set up and a n independent check of overall performance so do not consider it's ommision.
What is the difference between a 3.6kw Sunsynk Hybrid inverter and a 3.6kw Sunsynk ECCO Hybrid inverter please ?
Guys looking for advice , Iâve just nearly bought one of these with 2 x5.2 kw batteries all Sunsynk for ÂŁ7500 installed . I was quoted that these are the Rolls Royce but when I search on line there seemed to be big abroad but newish to the Uk and I was worried about support. I ended up not committing, have I made a mistake or is there a better option . I already have a 4k solar panels and string inverter but have been told I need to replace inverter. Is the Sunsynk a good buy? Or should I buy an alteration appreciate your advice
One of our team has just installed one in his home. We are confident in the brand and technology.
Both isolators are classified 60947-3 which means both of them can be used on AC or DC, are the manufacturers scamming us with the DC-only Isolators?
Hereâs a sneak peek đ«Ł there is a difference!
czcams.com/video/YxHCDs03UEg/video.html
Everyone forgets those unfortunate enough not to be able to have a smart meter fitted, which all of the "smart" off peak tariffs require.
And there's quite an overlap between these folks and those with oil fired heating...
You can still benefit from traditional off peak tariffs such as Economy 7.
Please tel me you have a fuse protecting the cable from the solar panel to the inside and by that i mean a fuse located at the panel.A good demo will be to show people what happens when you short to pv cables and seperate them ever so slightly with no fuse. ;-)
More demos on the way
Doesn't physically matter where the fuse is, the current is the same all the way around the circuit.
if you have 2x sunsynk 5kw batteries in parallel what is the max amps you can set the inverter to in order to maximise charging rate?
5kWh, not 5kW.
Battery capacity is measured in kWh, inverter power handling is measured in kW.
but you could still answer Catfaces question @@deang5622
2 x 5kWh fed at 5kW is two hours storage is that a rate of C = 2?
The Sunsync 5kW inverter can charge/discharge a max of 125A, so even for 2x100Ah batteries you can only draw 125A
So in the settings I can set it to 125a and that will max out the settings?â@@padraicberry8856
I just had Sunsynk 5kw plus 2 x 5.32 batteries with 6.4kw panels on 2 strings. It was fitted with DC isolators and 2 AC isolators either side of the export meter (the guy fitting it didn't see the point of 2 or the export meter). But they did not fit battery isolators or fuses as the batteries apparently have something similar built in. True?
All the manuals suggest that battery isolators and fuses / circuit protection should be fitted.
I asked the installers and they contacted SS who said it wasn't necessary to be compliant in the UK (South Africa requires them). The batteries BMS has built in protection i was told on the Facebook forum
Wouldn't do any harm to fit them.
Hey how are you Sunsynk Batteries? Would you recommend them
@@silkstar20 no issues so far
Having an Solar PV qualification does not allow the installar to carryout the AC connection.
What is your view on micro inverters, Enphase IQ7 or the latest IQ8?
We havenât looked at micro inverters yet. Last time we checked Enphase didnât have a battery solution.
I've used Enphase before on a mini DIY project, they are great micro inverters and as far as I can tell seem to be the only ones that are officially certified I think. The output wattage is limited. I have some cheapish Chinese micro inverters which work well with high output (linked to Shelley devices). Reading this week tho, I think none of these Chinese inverters are certified and you will not be able to get sign off by your local DNO, which in turn means you cant get paid for your export. I'm not 100% sure as I'm still learning. I'm now more leaning towards the victron Multiplus 2 low frequency inverters. They are more pricey but rock solid from my research. Enphase do offer a battery solution now also, but I don't think its been launched in the UK yet. The optional control unit from Enphase for the microinverters is about ÂŁ350. From what I've been reading this week, if you want to feedback energy to the grid you then have to purchase this optional unit to keep DNO happy to get paid for the export.
@@stevengajek you thinking of putting cheap Chinese micro inverters on your roof under the panels ? Hope you got your own scaffolding and roofing kit. If its on the roof you donât want to go there for 20 years. Personally thatâs the reason I wouldnât fit them. There are some advantages if you have shading issues
00:30 The correct answer is always pi=3.0 đ
Actually Pi=3.1415926, often shortened to 3.14, but never down to 3.0
@@deang5622 "Pi is exactly _3!"_
This is the Deye Chinese inverter with other name brand, wright?
and firmware
I wanted to use a circuit breaker/isolator instead of a fuse disconnector, I was told that I had to fit a fuse because the circuit breaker is not suitable for current protection in both direction... charge/discharge. Maybe you can confirm if this statement is true?
First time Iâve heard that one. Canât think of anything inside a circuit breaker which makes it unidirectional? - will double check with our special guest on Wednesday
@@efixx â @eFIXX You need to check that breaker you've fitted on the battery, as it appears to be for AC. The data sheet makes no mention of DC, it does mention AC and 50Hz, AC breakers should never be used for DC - you mention this in the video, as the arc is much harder to break. The majority of DC breakers are directional, run power through them in the opposite direction and you could have a fire when they trip as the arc suppression is designed for current flowing the other way (search CZcams for "Polarised Solar DC Circuit Breakers - Reverse Polarity"). On a battery the current will run in both directions. Its rather hard to find DC breakers that are "No Polarity" or "By directional", I used Z Beny breakers, as these are specifically designed for solar and battery systems, I also installed suitable T Class fuses to be extra safe. I'm a DIYer and built my Victron system, only employed an electrician for the AC side.
@Ian Stanley Yes that statement is correct, however you can get bi-directional, non polarised DC breakers, I used Z Beny in my build, but also fitted T Class fuses for extra safety.
Circuit breakers are tripped by heat using a bimetallic strip.
The heat produced by the current passing through does not depend on current direction.
@@deang5622 LOL I strongly suggest you go and read up on how circuit breakers work, especially if you are working with DC or you could have far more heat than you ever expected!
Can I ask what solar mount you used/made?
Electricians Meccano - Unistrut
@@efixx Cheers, was it difficult to do? Do you have any pics by any chance? Not my forte so considering just buying a cheap frame. Reckon a handyman could make a unistrut frame?
That battery circuit breaker is not DC rated! AC only from what I can tell.
It is on the data sheet - chint.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/DZ158-Datasheet.pdf
@@efixx ah, good stuff. It wasn't on the datasheet that I found.
You have to dig deep you had me for awhile thought Iâd been tucked up by a solar distributor.
Were is the SPD on the SOLAR IN??????
Itâs built in to the inverter
@@efixx It does, can you refence this statement to a page in the manual?
Still lot of DC voltage after the inverter... If the positive cut in the solar string will it arc on the cement, galvanized iron(coated vs bare metal) and other roof materials???
Most the inverters we use have SPDâs built in for both DC and AC. They also have an alarm that registers the SPD activation.
However their manuals also recommend fitting tour own external SPDâs. I imagine this is because it extends inverter lifespan and its easier to change your own SPD than call out an engineer for the inverter.
â@@efixx did you read the installer manual, you're meant to install an external spd