The Shoulders DON'T Turn Like You THINK They Do. 🙄🏌⛳ [... And it's so easy!]
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Turning your shoulders on the wrong plane causes many problems in golf.
If your shoulders turn on the proper axis your head will remain steady. Dustin Johnson, Tommy Fleetwood, Rory McIlroy and Joaquín Niemann all turn their shoulders this way.
Things don't happen parallel or level in the golf swing. The shoulders turn off kilter or askew to what you'd think they should. Turning the shoulders properly allows the club to move smoothly through impact.
We have all seen the club across the shoulders demonstration and drill which is advocated by many instructors but it's not how the shoulders turn and it's just wrong!
Please excuse the out of focus video. My monitor cam's batteries died and it reset the focus lock when that happened.
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It’s funny but Steve Elkington said he had the sensation of swinging way way to the right on the downswing, your demo shows this in such a clear and obvious way, you Sir are a real student of the game and a professor by the way haha
The turn yourself inside out and the massive shoulder turn got me , your golf swing ideas are top notch
This is the most helpful video I have ever seen, hands down!
No one has ever been able to articulate the idea of swinging on a different axis in the downswing.
I am enjoying playing golf again.
Thank You!!!
Hogan talks about swinging on different axis
Been a student of the golf swing for about fifty years. I’m convinced that Mike Austin and Dunaway had the best and easiest method of hitting a golf ball. You explain their method excellent.
Austin messed me up pretty bad, although for a few days shots were pretty good. Everything has to be precise, plus he was strong as a lumberjack, and I'm and most
people are not. 🙂
All I can say is WOW!!! I don't care about the quality of the video...it's about the detail and instruction that makes this priceless!!! This puts the Holy Grail in the right perspective...the overhand now makes sense!!!
I took my glasses off and you came into focus, great info as usual
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He’s fixed your eyesight mate .. guys a wizard 👍🏻
I had a few drinks and yeah, still fuzzy but feeling better about it.
Don't worry about the video quality complaints. Most of us sincerely appreciate your instruction and I have definitely benefited from it. I'm glad I found your videos. I just donated via your PayPal link. Thanks and happy holidays!!
I have been playing golf for 40 years. I have played some really good golf and I have played a lot of really bad golf. A couple months ago I decided I was going to throw out everything I thought I knew about the golf swing and start over. Just do what felt good instead of thinking about any mechanics. The first thing that happened after many thousands of practice shots was I tilted myself away from the target so my torso and eyes felt like they were behind the ball. I also glued my trail upper arm to my side so it would stay tucked in to avoid bad pulls. I also put my trail hand in a position that felt like it was under the shaft. With this grip I feel like my wrists whip the clubhead through impact with amazing, effortless power. By keeping that tilt away from the target during the swing I feel like as you said, I am turning myself inside out. I also feel like now it is like swinging a hammer. Very free and almost always perfect center strikes. Never felt this type of confidence and freedom in my swing. Now I know what it feels like to play golf instead of playing golf swing. I can focus on the things that matter now like strategy. Life is good.
Excellent video. I have tried that shoulder turn drill that so many coaches tell us to do. It never worked, now i know why. !! Thanks for phenomenal instructions!
An early Xmas present, this one. Quite possibly the best video you've posted, and that's saying something, mate. Your stuff is gold. $25 sent via PayPal as a thank you. Have a wonderful Xmas. :)
Your insights and explanations is well appreciated..so much better then mainstream.
“Turning yourself inside out.” I think you’ve figured it out, and actually demonstrated it very well. I was watching pro swings down the line and most turn back with their left shoulder line outside the ball and then on the downswing, the right shoulder is under the line. I think I know why now!
The Best shoulder movement explained ever!
Just try it, no matter with strong or weak grip, throw the clubs or hold the leg, this method works beautifully in every way...
Wonderful, finally you clear my doubts!!Thanks from Italy
Thanks. The first person to actually tell us how to get that nemesis (left shoulder) out of the way.
This is gold. Why don't they teach this stuff. I hope you are making a 100 dollars an hour for this teaching at an academy. That's what this is worth.
With inflation, 200/hour.
This vid, in my opinion, is one of the best I ever saw on the understanding of the golfswing, truly amazing stuff, thx so much
It looks like your left arm looks really connected when you turn on your “improved” plane. That should be a good thing. Plus your finish is upward facing. I like it!
Man, this makes such sense and resonates with me immediately! I tried it in the garage, (as the outside world is under 2 feet of snow), and it feels so right! Overhand's golf tips have worked instantly for me compared to all the really good golf instructors on youtube, (Malaska, Cogorno, Ryan, Shields, etc...) that I believe they're giving great advice but I just cannot integrate it. OK, I haven't taken this to the range or course, so it's premature in regard...but the Holy Grail worked instantly and insanely well for me...and I mean more or less with the first ball I hit! This will too.
I wouldn’t include Rick Shiels omg
This is pure GOLD, revolutionary. Staying behind the ball & Rotating around your back leg as an axis has never been explained like this. Always thought rotate around a central axis. Tried today on course gained literally 30 yards off the tee & feels so smooth. Any drills you recommend to practice this feeling? Thank you for this awesome explanation
Just practice really and imagining the magic third leg. czcams.com/video/R3IP8rIeFtM/video.html In the golf swing things are not square, level or parallel. Nothing moves the same plane as anything else which is how our body works. If we don't do it this way you get in our own way.
Good grief sir, another fascinating lesson, thinking aloud this is totally sound in its logic, and is something to work with! I played a second round yesterday tentatively using your methodology, and hit several , what i considered to be 'professional' shots even though im an 18 handicapper, my score was ordinary because of short game failings, the sense of purpose and intention on those fine shots was very 'curious' as in nearly 50 yearsof playing golf ive never felt such before, i must admit im beginning to get excited again at the prospect of playing golf. Must mention one of my drives yesterday was as good or better than any ive done ever! A powerful soft draw hit well over some hazardous water, into the heart of the fairway, sweet ! Cheers
Using the Holy Grail as my Guiding Light has resulted in very good results for me. Whenever you release a new video I immediately relate it to the central concept of moving the shaft (force of motion) at the imaginary ball. This video / concept fits into the HG perfectly. In fact it explains exactly how to move the shoulders in the Holy Grail. Further clarification of how we stay below the club and how the swing is an overhand motion. Thanks.
I hope I never present a contradictory video to the HG swing. The HG really isn't that groundbreaking unless you've been doing it wrong previously. Once you learn it, you've got it and as soon as something makes you do something that prevents it, you'll know it's not right.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I do not think this is contradictory.
@@timotaot7125 Agreed. Many of these videos come from working with students and I realize how to explain something then I think, "a lot of people could probably benefit from this."
Never saw anyone teach this way, I have been trying the way they teach and really struggling. Look forward to trying this. Will update you on progress.
you sir are a genius describing that,been doinmg it wrong for 50 yrs.
Very nice! Your instructions more user friendly than most instructors on you tube. I can really understand what your teach! Keep ‘em coming. Thanks!
Thank you. I knew when I started the channel that sooner or later I would influence golf instruction and I'm seeing that happening now. No one has yet come out and claimed that the HG swing is their idea but I'm seeing a lot of instructors now advocating things from my videos that I'd never seen prior to me posting my videos.
Thank you. This is a great explanation of how to hit from the inside out which is beneficial if you come over the top. How ever if you make your move with the club face in a closed position or if you roll through impact you could potentially hit hooks all day. Would you agree?.....also this could be very hard on the back. I think it could work with driver if you have passive hands but I am not sure you could strike an iron well with this move? Thanks.
You are doing just what Mike Austin said, swinging on a 45 degree bias from the target line. "Under, out and up. " That is rarefied company you are keeping, congrats.
..don’t you mean “unda, out and up”
As akways, the best explanation of the most common problem in golf
Perfect explanation of the shoulder turn and this prevents back injuries.
Brilliant, you have explained to me exactly why I sometimes feel bound up, chicken winged and unable to release through the ball.
Only video you need for swing...thank you sir
Thank you. I've been trying this Tom Watson stuff forever and can't get it to work. Must have just been a feel for him compared to how he was dragging it before.
This video says it all about why your the best...
Thx! I hope this is my missing clue... I will try after Christmas 🎄🤶
Once again - I've found another of your demos which have revolutionised my approach to the swing. As a relative beginner I wish I'd discovered your channel earlier .....you have a unique approach to coaching .....Many thanks!
As a beginner ... you don't know how lucky you are. I've saved you decades of frustration. If you look at the comments there are people in their 70s and 80s saying they're playing the best golf of their lives and they wish they'd found me a lot sooner.
What is are describing is the Stack & Tilt downswing. For right hand golfers, it’s a tilt to the right and a spine extension away from the target line in the follow through.
Spot on....Watch any video of a young Jack Nicklaus and this is the shoulder turn of greatness.
Brilliantly Explained , thank You Sir!
Thanks Mr Overhand golf this lesson really does it for me. First time I have ever have the feeling of swinging in balance. Thank you so much I must have been swinging in a linear fashion🙈 rather than and rotary one.😁
Best golf video ever
This just what I needed. Game was good and gone off.I was trying to force club to go left with my arms in stead of letting the shoulders dictate club path and just letting the arms go along for the ride. Thanks
Thank You, I start well then I always end up coming over the top with a hitch feeling sometime in my round and I never could fix it until now. Light is on now
This is exactly what my coach was trying to tell me when I first came in to correct my swing..... This made alot of sense. I will be practicing this a lot
I think with the uppercut analogy I'm finally starting to understand the main point of your videos about not hitting down.
This is the best video you have done !!
Is it because you can't see my face?
Love your ideas! Seem very difficult for me to combine this shoulder movement with an overhand golf swing, as 2 body parts are moving in opposite directions. Sort of like patting your head and rubbing your belly at the same time!
Yes, I am having a hard time reconciling them too
..well can’t you hit overhand only now you’re hitting overhand at a 45 degree angle to the right of your target line. I don’t see a problem but there might be one..
What a great tip and instruction, thank you!
This move is the holy grail!……..many thanks👍
Thank you Sir. First time I"m seeing my PW go 145 - 150y consistently with this change in shoulder turn. Used to avg 125 - 130y.
Brilliant! It took me years and a million range balls to figure this out. You explain it beautifully.
Greg, great video as usual. It seems to me that the shoulder action you are talking about is a result of proper pivot action. Do you agree? If so, can you make a video on the proper pivot action?
I think that's what causes it. When I "chicken wing" or go over the top, it is usually because I haven't shifted to the left side properly so I can rotate around the spine correctly. I think you should rotate around the secondary spine angle (tilted away from the target). That makes the left shoulder go up and the right side go under, out, and around properly. The head has to stay back and the hips are more toward the target. It feels like you are going to hit way out to the right but you don't.
@@fastbusiness Take a look at my old video "the third leg of golf" or "magic third leg" something like that. It's the same principle. Also, you are right.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I watched these three videos you posted a few years back, and they are still helpful:
The magic imaginary third leg of golf czcams.com/video/R3IP8rIeFtM/video.html
Golf's imaginary third leg czcams.com/video/ISEZRAa12eA/video.html
One leg swing czcams.com/video/nW3ADVDnl_A/video.html
Amazing insight for rotation. I felt a thunder inside my head when I see this video.
Would love to see you show a few tour players with your overlays
Looking forward to watching this one later. Been waiting for you to make a video on the shoulders.
Now, I get the third leg idea! Thanks for this video and your commentary
I'm finding your instruction to be certainly, quite different, but really the key to a golf swing. The feeling of "turning yourself inside out" clicked for me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'd like to hear talk about any differences in your swing thoughts from two years ago to now, and also if you have any different thoughts for your irons opposed to the driver. I'm thinking the inside out feel might just be the key to some of the other thoughts you've had as far as where you're hitting the ball in the middle of the shaft straight down for example.
My philosophy hasn't changed. It's refined a bit but still the same. No reason to fix what ain't broken.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf please watch this video from Sasho MacKenzie and Chris Como on EXACTLY what you are teaching but from a biomechanics perspective about what's happening. It's really verification of all your thoughts in my opinion. Thank you for what you do. czcams.com/video/iuJaSM7Kexw/video.html. especially the club head plane traveling below the elbow plane or forearm plane. I found it interesting that they talk about muscle relaxation involved in allowing the club head to square when it's coming in from under the forearm plane. You talk about that more from starting the process sooner, I think, to allow the squaring to happen...maybe I'm wrong about that.
@@rickstevens9628thanks for that link! Truly fascinating! And certainly seems to corroborate what Greg has brilliantly dumbed down.
Same uppercut as the Jim Dent video. Awesome.
The information you are providing in this video is outstanding.
Thanks. I'm guessing your name is a reference to Mike Austin. Have you seen the video where Steve Pratt says that Mike's accent was fake? He just mentions it in passing but ... interesting.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Yes, you are right. Yes, I have seen all of Steve Pratt's videos, and I have had a lesson with him, he is a very good teacher. Steve describes Mike Austin as a larger than life character, and not without faults, but Steve also says he is the smartest man he ever knew and there is no doubting his skill and knowledge. I have learned a lot from your videos over the past few weeks, well deserving of the tip I will send you now. Good luck with your website when it launches.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf There is also convincing evidence that Mike Austin was not British, but was born and raised in the South.
This man is a golf guru
Great demo of the shoulder turn.
You and Marcus Edblad are in lockstep with the golf swing. Absolutely Brilliant
I'll have to look this person up. I've never heard of him.
Brilliant! Just like Mike Austin taught. 👏🏌️
I think you're right. I never thought about it before. The more stuff I make videos about the more people point out how similar to Mike Austin they are. I don't think I'll ever be advocating that pendulum motion of the spine and hips though.
This compliments the following Mike Austin 45 degree swing force line swing approach below
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This IS the BEST golf instruction video EVER honestly. Will try on range. One question, if I do it correctly it flies straight and true. Occasionally I hit it fat or block it, any advice of why would be appreciated for this flaw of fat or blocked shots
Just practice. It is golf, after all. If the ball went absolutely straight every time it wouldn't be any fun. We still have all the inconsistencies and flaws of being human and using a tool to hit a ball.
Not sure I’ll ever flex this way. Might need to get a paramedic to stand beside me when I try it
Going to get a new light saber for my practice shoulder turn...then to the eye doctor 😀
Greg, this is f’ing brilliant.
You only say that because after I describe it you know it's true. It really obvious but people just don't see it. I didn't realize it at the time but Mike Austin talked about this but only casually.
Excellent
Wow ! All I can I say is wow ! Play you everyday , would retire tomorrow.
I don't quite understand, but I think I like it.
Look forward to trying this. Thank you
GOTTA REMEMBER THIS ,! Thank-you
Hi Greg, this is so important for me - thank you very much and merry christmas
3.47 thats just what the young Jack Nicklaus looked like in his finish!
This one video literally changed my golf swing into consistently good. Pretty sure it’s the secret the pros have been hiding. Hard to spot till someone tells you the difference! Thank you for all ur videos.
Well done. You turn behind the ball. Then you got an underhand feel like a softball pitcher.
When does your weight transfer to the front foot ? It seems your leaning backwards til the very end. Always interesting and thought provoking videos. Thanks
The simple answer is, "when it needs to." If you transfer weight -- a term I dislike -- I prefer pressure shift, you can't do it until you're body is ready. Turning the shoulders in this manner keeps you more centered but the swinging arms and club at full speed weigh about 100 lbs, so they'll pull you up and through when you're ready. If you try to control these things consciously you'll never get the timing right.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf seems kind of a back breaker to me!
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I can appreciate that, but what would you do when you need to pitch / are in a situation where you can’t go full speed?
Hi Greg, thank you for this explanation. I started to bomb my drives long and straight at the range today but I noticed I was across the line big time at the top of my swing. Does this matter? Keep up the great content!
No! Would you tell John Daly or Jamie Sadlowski to shorten their swings? The only thing that matters is that you approach the ball on plane. I'd actually like my swing to be a bit more relaxed at the top. If you're hitting the ball well, leave it alone. If you're over the top, I made a video about that. The game is about ball flight and the direction. There are no points or score for swing perfection.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Great thank you! Looking forward to the range session tomorrow. Cheers!
Brilliant
thanks a lot Greg, totally make sense to me.
The side tilt you put in for the backswing needs to start to come out and go to the other side before you turn. For a right handed, the left bend needs to become right bend as you turn. Tilt and turn back, tilt and turn through to a finish.
Great now I understand. Thanks
I see how the shoulder tilts when you get your head over your right foot---is there a back swing video that shows how you get to that position? Played today and got myself into this position and hit some monster drivers and irons--lost it after a few holes and didn’t know how to get it back🙃
In order to get the tilt to the trail side, what do you think about having a preset stand with a primary side tilt?
I think it's absolutely necessary. It would be quite rare to hit the right pose if you didn't preset for it.
Question, does it also apply to irons?
I learned this move by turning my right shoulder behind me in transition. 7am to 1pm path.
This certainly looks correct and I love your videos and approach but when I make this move I hit way behind the ball, why?
Too me it looks like the approach angle into impact will be too much in to out with this swing. In my opinion you need to rotate more into impact and through impact coupled with right side bend, if you're right handed. Don't forget to have a bent trail elbow at impact to aid the forward shaft lean (hands ahead of ball)
can you do more videos on this topic? specifically how it relates to the holy grail and how to align the two.
I didn't think this would be such a hit. It looks like I'll need to do a followup. I actually cut a bunch of stuff out of this that I didn't think anyone would care about.
No this is good and would love to see it with the grail together. Plus this just wont click with me when swinging irons
@@anthonystavros740 I'm exaggerating the move a bit for demonstration purposes but it works the same with all clubs.
Gold Again...Thank you
Body tilts/bends/"side cronch" etc overhand dude. I think if you attack this concept this way it will make more sense to those confused . What you are describing is coming out of forward tilt and going into side tilt through the strike.
Does it feel like you are crunching the right side of your abdomin? That’s the feel that I’m getting when I do this… like a side abdominal crunch.
Very important.
is that what Hogan talks about in his book - that downswing is on a different axis than the upswing?
Yes. It's crazy but our goal is to hit the golf ball, not make a beautiful swing. If we learn to hit the ball properly we end up with a beautiful swing but if you go about the other way around you end up with neither.
Wish I could give this video more likes 👍👍👍
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and thousands more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf thank you sir! $100 on it's way to you by way of thanks. Best wishes.
I really like this clarification. Just thinking It’s sort of the “reverse K” like position isn’t it?
Also the only issue I’ve had at times with this sort of pivot concept is potentially not getting the body forward enough prior to the shoulder coming around and extending.
Any sort of thought you have in terms of ensuring your body gets forward enough? Such as the left shoulder coming far enough forward to ensure the bottom of swing arc is far enough forward - not too hung back?
Practice. We need practice to gain confidence. Without confidence you'll be second guessing and changing things. I'm sure you, like almost everyone, has hit a great shot and then realized you weren't thinking about it at all. You did it and it worked perfectly. That's where we want to get on every shot. Unfortunately, we just have to learn to do it, instead of thinking about it. I hope that helps.
It’s all a blur to me ! ! But as always, it makes perfect sense.
is this just for driver? seems to promote an upward strike on the ball which may not work with short irons
Unfortunately this is the old reverse C turn and finish, leading to injured backs. I agree that it does stop the hitch in club movement. I’m 75 years old and was taught this swing. I started having back problems I adulthood after playing college golf. Had to learn the new swing finishing straight up so I could play without pain.
I absolutely agree! I forget if I talked about that in the is video or not. I know I have in others.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf ..soooo this shoulder turn is liable to hurt, that’s a shame
Awesome!!!
Good one
Yeah, they call it a "side-bend."
Please allow one question to clarify: I hear so often „keep the trail shoulder back on the way to impact“, that would be a concious holding back for my opinion. When I watch your explanation, I think, it‘s not that concious holding back motion of the right shoulder, instead the right shoulder is automacally back (and down) in relation to impact point because of the different axis of the turn, which is more, let me say , behind than over the ball. Am I right? Thanks, regards from Germany and happy Christmas. Great work!
Yes! I think this is probably what your instructor was trying to get you to do but would be physically impossible any other way. Golf isn't that hard we just make it that way.