Maxx "C" Makes Master Duel Worse or Different?
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Tenpai?
Master Duel should have it's own homework but also keep tracking TCG and OCG banlists to make a balance
MasterDuel isnt BO3, it needs its own unique banlist
@@Laughingman313true there should be a bo3 festival or smthin
I actually love Maxx C keeping decks in check. Nothing worst than going against a full board with over 6 disruptions when you only have 6 cards in your starting hand going second. At the same time Maxx C is balanced where you can choose to summon a lot of set up a smart board to disrupt.
@lawrencemalone-px6qe ok but then again, the 6 negate board can also use maxx c. There's nothing stopping people from using it on top of an already strong board
@@lawrencemalone-px6qeLMAO
I love those kind off videos I feel refreshed and smarter.
MD is closer to OCG in rulings and card pool, so it's better to stay closer to OCG,I would say.
true, everyone who copy and thinks TCG is much better reference just can't accept or a hater to Maxx C and OCG format 🤷♂️
"lose to Maxx C since they copy TCG and Gas build, that match is a joke since I lost to Maxx C"
Tcg is butthurt because their expensive deck could often lose againts funny deck when max c is around. OCG and MD is best making every deck available
tcg when deck besides the one they paid 1500 for are actually viable bc of maxx c: 😿😭😓
@@empresscarrie6230Imagine blaming the entire player base instead of the companies when a deck is expensive.
@@tomato7210 Yu-Gi-Oh players are dumb, who would have guessed?
good video overall, but i think its hard to gauge multchummys viability as a maxx c replacement by looking at the current ocg usage, at least until its explicitly tested in a format or tournament where maxx c is actually banned. theres just not a lot of reason to play both at the same time, especially when having both activated makes you more susceptible to the multchummy shuffle back. multchummy is also only usable going second, so it being only in the side deck actually makes a lot of sense.
I agree, especially the last point. Multchummy being usable only going second will be a major hindrance when it's introduced to master duel. It's a quintessential side deck card. I'd bet multchummy is not gonna be used at all in the best of one format.
Who would ever copy TCG deck lists in MD card for card when Maxx C exists in MD? That card warps the entire game... I'd go for an OCG list (as long as Maxx C is legal) over a TCG list if I ever did that. I prefer MD specific lists though, because it's still different to both with it being a best of 1.
Same here. Side deck strategy means some tcg decks just have big holes in their bo1 matchups
You know that the lists in both tcg and ocg are the same right? The only difference is the maxx c and anti maxx c package being swapped for more hand traps in the tcg
@@valentinmihailov2329it depends, when stun or backrow is a lot in the meta, tcg woud still run it in the side and just hope going first round 1. In bo1 its way more difficult to consider taking backrow hate, more handtraps, ect. Ect.
@@valentinmihailov2329some tech card not worth use in ocg but used well in tcg. Cards like lullaby obedience is pretty bad in ocg
@@yamiryujin4982 you say it as if it was good in the tcg outside of exactly one tournament in the last ~10 years and that tournament being a very heavy tier 0 snake eyes.
And it would have been just as good in the ocg as in the tcg, the purpose is the same, maxx c or not. There just wasnt a good enough cook to think of it there as a brain is not needed in a format with maxx c
I think you're missing the point of Machummy. The reason why people aren't playing it as much is because Maxx C exists so unless you have the room or the format allows you to play both cards, you're always choosing Maxx C over Machummy. Secondly, if Machummy was supposed to replace Maxx C exclusively, that would defeat the purpose. We want a card like Machummy that is way less powerful but still good enough to at least consider siding and even main decking. You're saying Chummy isn't living up to the hype and I hard disagree because it's seeing play which is exactly what we want and will see more if Maxx C gets banned. This is the exact kind of power a hand trap should be: a staple you might consider, not an immediate 3 of in every deck.
Like I've mentioned before, Chummy is supposed to be the TCG Maxx C. Konami OCG knows the roach works as a balancing tool. They know it helps keep decks viable without needing to hit them very hard. They also know the TCG has a vile hatred of the roach due to both online and offline interactions. So what to do? Konami prints a nerfed version to see if TCG players would more easily accept it. We'll see once it arrives.
@@GaussianEntityLmfao
@@alexcallender Remember to check back here when the TCG gets it ;)
@@GaussianEntity That has nothing to do with my comment whatsoever.
@@GaussianEntity the roach works as a balance tool is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, you can play tearlaments because you can stop at kitkallos and sulliek pass and do your combo next turn...
Now look at other less powerful decks like libromancer, it already has less options than the best decks, but you can't even attempt to play it in a format with maxx "C" because by default your opponent draws 4 for your main combo, and they never gave the deck a way to play around maxx "C" by summoning less for a different endboard, if you maxx "C" and it resolves, they lose on the spot
This not how good balancing tools work, they don't function to keep the best decks on top, or make a bad deck win by coincidence, the top decks in both formats are all the same decks, so maxx "C" isn't balancing anything and is only making things worse by removing fun from the game
Its strange Dkayed only talked about card usages but not banlist, this is matter a lot cause we are leaning to ocg banlist.
This was a nice listen. Thanks for the info
I just know I'm tired of losing because of an unchecked Maxx C. I've been playing Master Duel since it started, and i STILL hate that card more than i can articulate
Preach. I can't believe how many people still defend this card. They're even doing it in this very comment section! It's the same old tired nonsense too, like the assertion that Maxx C helps rogue decks lmfao.
Dkayed, awesome video keep it up dude
Unchained wasn't held back by just Maxx C. It was held back by the fact that full power Snake Eyes was released earlier by a month and some change
unchained play into the C horribly while SE can just give you a couple of card and still have a strong board.
Need more videos like this from you Dkayed, this is well done
Good insight and analysis of what shapes our meta
Love these expert player tips/tricks videos, keep em coming!
Great video! Thanks Dkayed
These videos are refreshing to see in this channel. Love these more thoughtful videos. Thanks dkayed!
13:47 just finished the video. I really like your idea for combo videos. I always enjoy, and benefit from, your counter combo guides but it would be for your channel to include basic, dream scenario combos first.
I’ve really enjoyed your hour long play test videos as well, even though the decks aren’t ones I’d use… yet. I just enjoy hearing the way you think through things and then applying that thought process to my own deck building and combo formatting strategies.
You are a huge boon to the community and if it wasn’t for you I would have never gotten back into yugioh. May God bless you and yours.
i Agree , But the thing is Nibiru is becoming more and more popular in Master Duel
And People Dont Consider it And The Proof is Many MD competitive Players caught off guard by Nib
I hate Nib more than Maxx C. Most of the time on my 4th summon I’m in the middle of setting up something and that Nib wiping the field is much worst than drawing a couple cards imo.
@@lawrencemalone-px6qe yeah its the combo of nib into nib, droplet and other cards which is why i play dinos, i just make my cards unaffected by bullshit and attack and kill and try to play through initial interruptions
I do think maxx c should be banned. I’m not one of these people who takes every opportunity to complain about maxx c but it is a card that’s bad for the game. It just isn’t competitive.
There’s very little skill involved in when to use or not use maxx c. It’s basically use it in the draw phase or wait for the first special summon (meta and deck dependent).
Nibiru oth takes much more skill in how and when to use it. It also takes more skill on the opponent to play around it. The only way you’re playing around maxx c is if you drew the out or you just don’t play. Nibiru is much different. You can set up graveyard effects prior to the nibiru being played which will either prevent the other player from using it or set you up for a big post nibiru play.
This is all kinda moot though. The OCG is the Japanese format and MD is product of yugioh’s parent company, Konami. And Konami is (obviously) a Japanese company in Japan. So it’s very unlikely a Japanese company will adopt a western rule set for their game.
TL;DR: maxx c doesn’t consume my life like it does for others BUT it should be banned and MD should be closer to the tcg rather than the OCG.
A format with maxx c means crossout/calledby are heavily used. Which makes the game more dicey
Tcg is just as dicey. Literally every ycs in top 10 it’s literally just comparing hands because they have to shove a million handtraps to stop the opponent. It’s the same shit different flavor.
@@Sparda51 At least in terms of Snake eye Format, the unchained RACE format was loved by many for its variety but hated by compet players cuz the format offered a bit too much variety for their liking, making non engine choices and side deck choices hard.
@@dannycristen7505 I didnt like the format before snake eye, was kinda boring. Coming out out of tear format, every deck felt so low power but with the highs of tear and the complexity of every game to go to a lower version of that was meh. You were forced to rely on skill rather then handtraps and board breakers to get the job done for you. Variety was cool but not really a fan of the decks except Infernoble and mannadium but only a few people even played that, excited to play it as my fire deck of choice but then they banned Isolde. Kinda soured my want to play fire format in any compacity because they nerfed the deck I wanted to play when only 1 person was doing anythign notable with it.
TCG is just as dicey
Learned alot from this video, thanks!
Nibiru is a good hand trap, it requires game knowledge on when and where to drop it and you opponent can choose to respect it post game 1 (no one mains this dogshit card) and rush some negate or force the opp to use it early and basically hand loop themselves for 1.
Maxx c punishes you for playing the game.
See the difference?
The best ocg player is table 500 tcg. Even grandma can win when maxx c resolves
No lies detected. OCG elitists can cope all they want, but this is absolutely true.
Appreciate the educational video. Keep them coming.
I hate that if I want to play OCG I have to contend with that dumb insect but if I try TCG I have to contend with most of my favorite decks killed on the banlist for literally no reason.
If the new Multchummy actually kills Maxx C finally then OCG will 100% be the best format. Just have to wait and pray.
Obviously MD should have some differences in Bo1, but following OCG makes the most sense imo
Skill issue
Hoping maxx C will not be banned 😊
I mean naturally we lean more to OCG but I believe some stuff can be MD unique and take best of both, like for example Despia being limited in MD doesn't make much sense, it is nearly fully unlimited in TCG and performs decently well without shitstomping everything, being a hard deck to pilot + power crept makes it reasonable to unlimit nowdays and I believe they will soon.
I like what they did for mathmech by keeping it still relevant in MD unlike killing it completely in TCG and OCG, that is 1 example of unique banlist making a deck that isn't top dog relevant.
So answer is to just learn from mistakes of both and create unique balanced banlist, like for example now they have the data how hard SE is dominating so just hit it correctly, though I believe Ash to 1 has done that and FK imo is healthier than SE for the meta.
They have a lot of data, the question is are they capable of analyzing it properly and make the best decision.
Hitting branded isn’t unique to master duel
and konami didn’t even hit mathmech the limit of diameter and semi limit of parallel was a total joke and if people decide to play mathmech once again you will face the worst meta ever created
@@ayham613 diameter hit is fine
@@newbplaygames no it's not hitting it changed nothing
Great video and thanks Dkayed for making this. I hope new players will get more knowledge from this and continue to play the deck they enjoy
This is one of better yu gi oh videos Ive watched. Keep going, thanks for great content!
MD should take general tips from ocg but must consider its own meta/banlist. A good example is snake eye/snake eye FK. Since MD rn has the hardest hits to the SE engine, it should review ocg trends and then adapt it to its own. Looking at tcg in this case is completely useless since the banlist is so far apart
The TCG banlist kills a lot of decks for no reason (electrumite for ex)
TCG players have a blind hatred for pends. Which reminds me, the TCG banlist is a reflection of player attitudes about certain decks. The bans on Baronne and Borreload Savage reflect this pretty well. There have been other examples in the past too.
@@GaussianEntity all of that is from 1 week with pend being T0.
@@newbplaygames That was nearly a decade ago, I would tell them to let it go lmao.
@@GaussianEntity were it so easy
@@GaussianEntity i played in pepe format they have to let it go now
Just limit every 1 card combo (like tearl) and that's it
you can tell it at Komoney to stopping making some power creep cards...
I started playing on master duel b4 tcg. I love the fact it's a bit of both. I still have ariseheart for my kash deck and I get to play maxx c. It should be it's own format with a little bit of each. Oh wait, it already that 😅
I really loved hearing this discussion video. The difference between tcg and ocg, and md cannot be underestimated
My man is the head of the duel academy. You saved slifer slacker a** dkayed and tought me many things these years. Appreciate you man
Very nice video. Dkayed is truly the Atlas of MD community
0:20
And so rarely do you instead hear a "in a Bo1 we have to compensate with out main deck list for a lack of a side deck".
Of all hand traps I hate Maxx c the most I'd rather be hit by evenly matched 😢
Maxx C never resolves for me when I need it to in MD
It very rarely resolves EVER. I dunno why people crying about something so easy to stop😂
Honestly, that's part of the problem. You either have the bug in the format and force everyone to respect it, or you don't have it at all.
MD is in the middle ground where the bug exists but never resolves ever, so nobody is happy as a result. The anti-"c" hates the existence of the card while the pro-"c" is frustrated because the card doesn't do its job properly.
We cant copy deck from tournament that has side deck..
Because we play blind Bo1 in ranked.. Sometime we must main deck card that never been a main deck like Harpy Feather Duster
there's also the ash blossom where tcg cuts ash because its fire and hiita can summon it but in the ocg we just cant because of maxx c
OCG obviously is more important for md. I honestly don't care about tcg announcment and tournament, but I sometimes check what's going on in the ocg so i can prepare for the future? Is white woods really as good as people were talking? Does anyone play fiendsmith? Will memento ever be meta? You won't leard this from tcg...
Yeap those decks are playable so far from the data I also check Road To the King for OCG meta data too for comparison and knowledge
I ignore tcg deck lists since Master duel doesn’t loosely follow it. I can look at OCG deck lists as a good guide on building a deck
The other difference in Master Duel , with the intro to S:P . is the importance and ability to play around evenly
best of one needs its own format.
I use master duel to train combos for tcg tourney's. So yeah, the different banlist and card pools, I find quite annoying sometimes
Another thing the ocg does with snake eye that you won't see in tcg is they'll play dramatic chase and silvera so if they get maxx c'd they can pass on silvera and try hold off with their own hand traps and silvera so they get another turn
I know that someone proposed that Master Duel should do an all-out, no-Ban List event, then see what happens and make a new Ban List out of it. Thoughts?
Wouldn't it be just either cheesy FTKs or full power Ishizu Tear?
That's a nice idea. It will take time to get solid data, but it would be nice to see where it goes.
go ahead follow the ocg plays. i love droping nib on MD players that are so ignorant by using flamberge gy eff too early in the combo lmao
Branded tear was best deck in md to before they hit it erad virus was insane at 3
Not every single difference comes down to Maxx C.
Unchained is being played now in OCG meta with fiend support and non-FK Snake Eyes variants are still top-tier despite Maxx C. Spright literally dies to Maxx C but it was near tier 0 in OCG. The Lyrilusc xyz is popular because of Tenpai and Oak is sometimes dropped in FK even in TCG. Like 95% of the time, meta decks and cards are similar between OCG and TCG.
I mean, the spright thing was cuz of tear and the format back then that leaned more towards less HTs and more gas
@@SR3TG119 99.99% of OCG decks run 3 Maxx C no matter if it's a boardbreaker format or handtrap format. The point is that using "because of maxx C" to explain everything is a bit lazy. There is always more to it
@@kashira-0 everybody got a plan until they get punched in the face by maxx c lmao
Fireking snake eyes guide whenn
Master Duel should have its own banlist just because its a best-of-one format. I'm more inclined to think that the card pool available (apart from the methodical releases of new cards for monetization purposes) is due to that rather than because of Maxx-C.
Also, my anti Maxx-C and anti Nibiru deck is Dinomorphia. These guys need only two special summons to put it's main board (Kentregina and Rexterm with its normal and counter traps).
6:47 lol true
This does point out the flaw that too many players in MD play Nibiru for no good reason.
As is said, you're already playing 9 cards because of the existence of Maxx C. People that try to cram in another 3 Nibiru are then under 30 cards left for the entire deck and hand-traps outside of Ash. That isn't all that smart when you consider that the majority of decks aren't even bad against Nibiru.
Master duel should keep having It's own banlist imo
Dkayed was wrong for the Hero's End Board 😂 Nibiru Token
2:24 aka hero board ending, naaaaaah 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Master duel is a 1 round game with no side, any deck that can set up a good first turn kill is going to perform better bonus if it runs a lot of handtraps and it is good at going second !
I think master duel is ok at where is at I should lean to either the tcg or ocg I just want to enjoy the game to the fullest I just they would make an event in the game where all the ban cards are available just imagine the chaos.
What i want is they review both OCG and TCG banlist / official tournament and make banlist better based on it and make an adaptation to BO1 format,MD banlist mostly is a joke because problematic cards mostly are UR and they rarely hit UR cards
Maxxc was a mistake
cope. more like links were a mistake, it sped up the game to the point where maxx c was even needed.
maxx c existed balanced in the tcg for 5 whole years before it became a problem, and thats due to the game becoming too combo focused
@@NeostormXLMAX agreed link is too fast and make every summoning methods basically has to catch up to it
In my opinion Master Duel have the best ban list on all 3
I would agree if it weren't for 3 things:
Maxx "C"
Toadally Awesome
Red Eyes Dark Dragoon
@@alexcallender I still think they should ban kitkallos, tearlaments keeps dying and then being revived, now people are playing Horus labrynth tear they just won't give the deck up
@@alexcallender red eyes dark dragoon isnt playable rn Im P sure
@@ciscorivera202 Exactly. I'm saying it should be.
@@gregnog8119 Agreed. Kitkallos is a degenerate card.
Nightingale is actually played to beat Tenpai. It literally autowins against them
This is why I love Labrynth. It doesn’t really care about Maxx C or Nibiru.
Facts. I also love how when I inevitably get Maxx C'd I can often just rip the single card they drew right out of their hand with Lovely.
Evil eye too
So yeah in order to copy a tcg deck in md replace 3 nibirus with 3 maxx c and you're good to go
The nightingale is for tenpai not Maxx c because it has a bad tenpai matchup
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Since masterduel is in a best of one format, wouldn’t limiting maxx c and other hand traps to at least 2 hinder consistency plus diversify the deck.
mannadium and hero getting strays
Play nib and the cockroach at the in MD in the same deck you’re strong and smart 😂
I just want Branded Fusion to be back at 3 in MD.👀 I'm getting tired of these Fire decks.😂
Same I’m running sky strikers right now
@@tyreecekennerson8009 I've always wanted to build a Sky strikers deck😭 but I don't wanna spend cash and get scammed by Komoney💀
@@tyreecekennerson8009 Got any good decklist you can recommend? I've been looking to build SS for a while now but I was waiting for the new packs and support. Now I have a bunch of new SS cards but I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to building a deck.
(I know I could just google it, but I prefer to hear from an actual person directly)
Hot Take: Maxx C would be a good card if they did an eratta that you can't kill your opponent on this or the next turn, meaning passing when maxx c'ed is a viable option. With 1 card combos into OTK being possible in every competitive deck, simply passing when Maxx C'ed isn't possible. You can play under nib and still get interactions but playing around Maxx C is essentially akin to AFKing in an FPS. You're dead if you do that. Ultimately, there's no way to play around it. Either you let them draw and lose or your pass and lose.
That's why the card needs an eratta to be fair in a competitive environment, IMO. If it DID have that eratta, I actually think it would help the game out a lot. Currently, it makes it signficantly worse than Nibiru does, though.
Lyrilusc xyz is for tempai match
Also someone should tag Josh to react on this xd
Both is good.
90% of my decks cant cut ash, called by, crossout, talents all thanks to maxx c
7:47 "like it or not he has to play maxx c"
Mannadium player : proceed to get 3 royal maxx c, LMAO
What if they errata Maxx C to only apply during your turn? This would turn it into a going 2nd card unless you get Nib'd or your opponent does some kind of turn 0 play.
Hi guys i want your opinion should i build rescue ace or fire king se?
Fire king se
Rescue ace SE is better than Fire King SE but both have it's pros and cons still Fire King is better because it can play around disruptions and also has a good grind game compared to Rescue Ace
@@RoBin-ec1fd thanks
@@kazileon1994 thanks
@@kazileon1994just want to add, Rescue Ace is bad against blind second cards though, like Raigeki, Storm, Dark Hole and etc. and Fire King is good at recycling.
Maxx C should've been a going second card (like having a restriction that you can only activate it when you control no cards, or only on the opponent's turn) as playing against a full board plus a Maxx C is the most ridiculous sh*t I've ever seen in a card game.
1000%
Mine never resolves so idk 🤷
Nibiru is mathmech's worst nightmare...
The biggest difference is crossout should be freed in all formats
MD should have they owne banlist format for the bo1.
Ofc, maxx C banned !
Awesome video
Master duel is a different format to ocg and tcg if im honest due to the fact it takes less skill to play. But in all seriousness master duel might as well keep up with OCG but keep an eye on TCG
How about ocg? You'll get crossouts? 😅
Ok dkayed, now can u please make video how to play fire king snake eye? Yes im dumb, i cant learn how to play from watching your weekly tournament. But your explanation of how to play is really helpful and easy to understand for someone like me who never play TCG/OCG, you're the reason i can play masterduel
Even though MD is closer to OCG, you shouldn't copy their decklists entirely. MD is a best-of-one format where as OCG is best-of-three. Some cards OCG players have in their sidedeck should be included into the maindeck in MD, like nibiru, counter-nibiru and backrow removal cards for example. MD, OCG, TCG are all different formats thus copying an entire deck from another format won't get you success.
The answer is: Yes.
Copy both! Master Duel is a very different format with a different deck-building philosophy. Through trial and error you'll find what ratios work and what ratios need tweaks.
Maxx C is so oppressive that you need to be good against maxx c in the ocg and master duel. Meanwhile in the TCG there's like 20 viable decks, at least a few formats ago before tier 0 snake eyes
I hated the current state of the game, nibiru is fine but i can't enjoy playing anymore bc of maxx c, its literally telling you to stop playing and end your turn, its not fun at all.
Couldn't agree more. Will never understand why people actually defend that busted ass card.
dkayed how about this ban zues ban maxx c and get rid of 3 loss demotion, i havent played master duel in 2 months and its going to continue for another 2 months because i cannot stand 3loss demotion is ruining master duel for me. Either get rid of it or DIAMOND RANKED NEEDS TO BE 4 LOSS DEMOTION , MASTER RANK NEEDS TO BE 5 LOSS DEMOTION ,iam getting sick and tired of player 2 days in master 5 then getting demoted in 40 minutes due to going second and maxx c
Neither but it should ban maxx C 1000% or at least limit to 1
ngl maxx c should at least be limited to 1
That would just make it even more sacky and then it would feel even worse when your opponent resolves it. Nah, it just needs to go.
Maxx c should have never been created
Well, it was
They love maxx c in ocg
@@zebesr338they dont
@@zebesr338Literally the top global OCG player stated that he hated it.
Back when it was created it wasn't an issue as the game was slower. Now it's beyond broken and format warping.
i havent watched the video, but i'm gonna say it before hand, master duel are capable of creating it's own list, better than OCG and TCG
Just limit all hand traps to 1. People who really hate Maxx C the most is the ones that do like 20 special summons turn 1. Then make an almost unbreakable board and thinking their the shit.
I play Labrynth, so I special summon usually once, maybe twice per turn, and I still absolutely hate Maxx C. It's broken and unfun to play against.
@@alexcallender Well I despise your deck the most since Im a pendulum player.
@@bonifidehustla Double cringe
@@bonifidehustla you should despise ASF not lab itself
Master duel hits snake eyes hard so they are doing their own thing now
Why not both? I kinda wish we could do ladder with an OCG-like banlist like currently and one with a TCG-like banlist like the one we got with that tryout.
Why should MD use either O/TCG list? Neither of them is good, so is MD. MD should have own list.
I hate maxx c!