The dispute over the Toledo Strip was with Ohio. The US government didn't want trouble and Michigan wanted statehood. The UP was basically a consolation prize for playing nice with Ohio. Wisconsin wasn't a state at the time so they didn't have much say in the matter.
Yup President Jackson at the time gave land to territory of Michigan so they could become a state otherwise war would've happened. And that's why UVM and OSU have 1 of the biggest rivalries to this day.
The greatest part about living in Michigan is having two states in one. The upper peninsula is so much different than the lower. But both are certainly Michigan! It was either Michigan or Ohio. And honestly when you look at the toilet bowl that is Trenton I think we got the better end of that deal.
Nothing about the UP screams michigan like it screams northern Wisconsin. No crime but all the laws due to the crime of the east side of the mitten is annoying. We get left off half of maps, and the state sucks ass in general. Worst car insurance, bottle deposit wah we wanna be 51st state Superior!
I went to college at U of M. A lot of resident students made their hands look like mittens and pointed out their hometowns. I've never met a Wisconsinite who pointed out his hometown on a mitten.
I love this as someone from Michigan. We beef with Ohio for getting Toledo and Wisconsin beefs with us for taking the upper peninsula as a consolation prize.
Interesting facts. 1. Michigan technically touches Minnesota in the middle of Superior. 2. Michigan has a THIRD peninsula. When the war was over, they drew a straight line across the two states on a Parallel. Well, there's a small part of land where the Ottowo river flows into Lake Erie that's above that Parallel so it's a part of Michigan. It's known as the Lost Peninsula.
Welcome! Right before this short I watched a short by Lost In The Pond, and he explained that almost no one in the UK drinks egg nog around the holidays. That blew my mind, because the drink has English roots and it's insanely popular here around Christmas. If that is true, is there a different drink popular around the holidays in England?
Basically there's two parts to Michigan. The Lower Peninsula and the Better Half. The LP likes to drive north to visit the Better Half but keeps all of the funding downstate for themselves. Many people who live in the Upper Peninsula wish the UP was part of WI. I live 9mi from the state line and when you cross into WI, the roads are better and well maintained, with more passing lanes. They have less gravel roads, more pavement. Their parks have plumbing and other amenities, NONE in the UP have more than vault toilets. Until tourist season comes, the Lower Peninsula pretty much forgets the UP exists.
@@pamelah6431 Hoosiers. That's the term for Indiana folks (or so my grandmother taught me, lol). Ohioans are Buckeyes and...I honestly don't know what Illinois uses 😄
Charlie, I doubt you'll read this, but I've lived in New England for a lot of my life, and have never spent time in the Midwest. Yet, somehow, I feel I've learned more about these flyover states from you than all the years school and life I've lived. Thank you for showing the love, and comedy, that makes me want to visit some where in the Midwest. Some day
And in our defense we are probably the only ones who made it so protected and and kept the beauty the upper peninsula is it’s own state to us lower peninsula Michiganders
As somebody who lives in Ohio and has worked outdoor winter events in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana, I gotta say Minnesota is the DOUBLE Mitten State! Jesus Christ I've never had frostbite up to the knees before I went to Minnesota
In my mind there are 4 things we could do with the UP: leave it as part of MI(which is easy), make it a new state all together(which makes sence), give it to WI(which also makes sense), or do the funniest thing possible and give it to MN(which will make everybody angry)
in 1830 the population of Wisconsin (territory) was around 3500 people. And the only people living up north were natives and a few trappers and loggers.
Michigan is so tough, we won a war without even having to fight. We walked down to the border of Ohio, and when their governor saw us wolverines, he was like “aight, imma head out.”
I'm dying to visit the UP it looks so beautiful. I've been to lower Michigan but I don't remember any of it since I was a child and drinking too many beers at the time.
I'm a Pittsburgh girl through and through but of all the places I traveled to for work, Green Bay is the place I loved the most. Although I'm much older now and the south is looking pretty good!
Former Wisconsinite here. Moved to Michigan. Best move ever, Wisconsin is consistently going backwards and refusing to listen to voter's. Very happy to change my permanent residency to a Michigander. Deuces Wisco. I'll see you one day out of the year. ✌🏻
No it's wasn't. It was done in the middle of the night when no one knew and they had the minimum people required to make a town. No shots at all. I'm from Toledo.
"That's called duck hunting"
Killed me!
Lmafo OMG bro 🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣
Yes sir 🤣 🍻 ain’t no battle at all
Then ends with "no go ahead take the whole UP" Michigan boys up!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The dispute over the Toledo Strip was with Ohio. The US government didn't want trouble and Michigan wanted statehood. The UP was basically a consolation prize for playing nice with Ohio. Wisconsin wasn't a state at the time so they didn't have much say in the matter.
Also the territory that Wisconsin was a part of was called the greater Michigan territory.
Yup President Jackson at the time gave land to territory of Michigan so they could become a state otherwise war would've happened. And that's why UVM and OSU have 1 of the biggest rivalries to this day.
@@davidstutz9893 THE biggest rivalry*
also Ohio didn't have an outlet for shipping and wanted Toledo for it's ports.
@@chuckles485 Fuck em, build one off the Sandusky
I am a Michigander from Detroit and Trenton made me proud.
Same here
Downriver eh?
@@kendallsmith1458 hahaha my dads side of the family is from downriver
Same here for Riverview/Wyandotte
734!
That's probably the friendliest "fk you" I've ever heard 😆
I saw Michigan vs Wisconsin and immediately liked it 😂
Where did you see that?
The greatest part about living in Michigan is having two states in one. The upper peninsula is so much different than the lower. But both are certainly Michigan! It was either Michigan or Ohio. And honestly when you look at the toilet bowl that is Trenton I think we got the better end of that deal.
The UP is incredible
Nothing about the UP screams michigan like it screams northern Wisconsin. No crime but all the laws due to the crime of the east side of the mitten is annoying. We get left off half of maps, and the state sucks ass in general. Worst car insurance, bottle deposit wah we wanna be 51st state Superior!
Not to mention east and west Michigan are also very different.
Trenton is the capitol of New Jersey.
@@MultiTasker888 You're a moron, there is a lot of crime in the UP it just has 1/10th the population and no large population centers.
Michigan is definitely the mitten.
The UP is the bonus rabbit.
Wisconsin is the cousin that michigan wrestles during the family reunion every year. Ohio isn't invited.
Haha my fellow Michigan boy!
I live in the UP and would like neither option. Instead let’s make our own state
@@smellmoregrapes3754 fellow yooper here, we all agree!! (Until it comes time for funding and shit 😂)
my fellow michiganders
That's my boys here in Ann Arbor
@@derekrfenner the caller is from Ann Arbor? I'm in Brooklyn. I love how Michigan is just like one big family. We stick together.
I went to college at U of M. A lot of resident students made their hands look like mittens and pointed out their hometowns.
I've never met a Wisconsinite who pointed out his hometown on a mitten.
As a michigander I love this!
Michiganian*
@@nolannye4795 no we call ourselves michiganders
@@nolannye4795 michiganian just sounds dumb
@@nolannye4795Michiganders
I love this as someone from Michigan. We beef with Ohio for getting Toledo and Wisconsin beefs with us for taking the upper peninsula as a consolation prize.
Well hey now, we mostly hate Ohio because it's a terrible place
I'm from Toledo and I don't know why anyone would want/ argue over this shit hole city lol
Looking at Wisconsin right now trying to figure out how it could look more like a mitten than Michigan.
"Yea we were to nice, we said no go ahead we insist" had me cracking up by my lonesome.
I’ve never heard a nicer argument
Interesting facts. 1. Michigan technically touches Minnesota in the middle of Superior. 2. Michigan has a THIRD peninsula. When the war was over, they drew a straight line across the two states on a Parallel. Well, there's a small part of land where the Ottowo river flows into Lake Erie that's above that Parallel so it's a part of Michigan. It's known as the Lost Peninsula.
calling wisconsin the mitten state is the biggest hit of copium i’ve ever seen
All they have is cheese bro...they gotta have something else. 🤣
@@Montross4440dairy? 🤷♀️
@@Montross4440more lakes
FOR REAL
@@Montross4440pretty towns. no, milwaukee isn't real we don't talk about milwaukee
As a Yooper, all three of us in the UP wish to be part of Michigan.
Legal marijuana am I right
Sorry to hear that😂
🤣🙌
These guys are so good together. Love the podcast
I'm from the UK and have no clue about the background on this but I find it intensely intriguing🤣🤣🤣🤣
Welcome! Right before this short I watched a short by Lost In The Pond, and he explained that almost no one in the UK drinks egg nog around the holidays. That blew my mind, because the drink has English roots and it's insanely popular here around Christmas. If that is true, is there a different drink popular around the holidays in England?
@Wtfigo we have that in common then. Also, boozy egg nog is as popular as the non-alcoholic kind.
i am from washington state in the states and also as well have no clue about the background of this too
Basically there's two parts to Michigan. The Lower Peninsula and the Better Half. The LP likes to drive north to visit the Better Half but keeps all of the funding downstate for themselves. Many people who live in the Upper Peninsula wish the UP was part of WI. I live 9mi from the state line and when you cross into WI, the roads are better and well maintained, with more passing lanes. They have less gravel roads, more pavement. Their parks have plumbing and other amenities, NONE in the UP have more than vault toilets. Until tourist season comes, the Lower Peninsula pretty much forgets the UP exists.
Charlie knows his Midwest history!😂🤣😯💗
Bro did the laugh so loud it scared the guy behind him
The TOL getting spoken about on social media. I love it.
Go Rockets
"That's called duck hunting" killed me
The other states didn't ever know this was a rivalry
Illinoisans and Indiana...ns? do. :) We have to live with this in the background constantly. At least, those of us on the stateline.
@@pamelah6431 Hoosiers. That's the term for Indiana folks (or so my grandmother taught me, lol). Ohioans are Buckeyes and...I honestly don't know what Illinois uses 😄
tbh most of us in Michigan had no idea either. Wisconsin being the mitten state would be fucking hilarious with how close they are to us hahaha
Anyone who calls Wisconsin the mitten state used to stick round blocks in square holes 😂
But it’s a perfect mitten, Michigan isn’t 😂😂
@@nicktrepanier2645 I want to hear your logic on this. Minnesota is as square as it can get
@@clarkroath926 Have you looked at Colorado or Wyoming?
@@clarkroath926 literally....🤣🤣🤣 nothing happening up there!
@@nicktrepanier2645 well I would say I agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong
Charlie, I doubt you'll read this, but I've lived in New England for a lot of my life, and have never spent time in the Midwest. Yet, somehow, I feel I've learned more about these flyover states from you than all the years school and life I've lived. Thank you for showing the love, and comedy, that makes me want to visit some where in the Midwest. Some day
don’t visit bro you won’t come back
You know, calling us fly over states says it all about the type of person you are.
@@user-lh8ct7zi7p and you sound like someone who has to drive 45 minutes to buy groceries
@@starkness12 47 minutes.
Wow, I love what I learned today.
Sounds like Michigan is pretty darn good at duck hunting
The Ohio vs Michigan rivalry runs deep.
My great grandparent's moved to the UP from Finland sooo, IT'S OURS AND WE'RE THE MITTEN!
You boys have a good day though
Damn! Trenton coming in with fighting words 😂
And in our defense we are probably the only ones who made it so protected and and kept the beauty the upper peninsula is it’s own state to us lower peninsula Michiganders
Wisconsin looks nothing like a mitten!
Michigan only looks like a mitten when you ignore the upper peninsula.
@@Jrez the upper peninsula is an icicle the mitten is about swipe.
Like an old mitten you found on the side of the road maybe
@@Jrez and Wisconsin only looks like a mitten if you close your eyes and pretend it's the lower peninsula of Michigan 🤷♂️
@@RoboticsAndMTG top comment right here 😂😂
How can anyone say Wisconsin is the mitten state? It looks like the first deformed pancake you make.
Ha ha ha!
You're really bad at cooking
How dare you 🤬
... say hi to yur folks for me dough
Pancakes are like kids. The first one is always messed up.
@@chuckhoyle1211 Jeepers cripes
the duck hunting but hit me too close 😭😂
WOLSKI'S!!! The location here is Milwaukee as fuck. Love it.
We got the UP fair and square.
✊✊✊
Michigan LETS GOOO.
I'm in the Mitten and I think you guys are great!
Trading the Toledo for the UP, best deal Michigan ever made.
The Toledo war. I legit live right next to the Old State Line ….. and it’s called Old State Line road to this day
Lol ik exactly where you are at used to have a house in Sylvania Ohio about 6 houses from the MI/OH border
Same
Indiana!! Autocorrect
Toledo native(unfortunately) here lol
@@TheZuhalter the most Toledo thing ever is saying how close to the state line you live ahahah I grew up about 12 house from the line.
As somebody who lives in Ohio and has worked outdoor winter events in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana, I gotta say Minnesota is the DOUBLE Mitten State! Jesus Christ I've never had frostbite up to the knees before I went to Minnesota
In my mind there are 4 things we could do with the UP: leave it as part of MI(which is easy), make it a new state all together(which makes sence), give it to WI(which also makes sense), or do the funniest thing possible and give it to MN(which will make everybody angry)
Or as I grew up seeing it. It's 2 mittens trying to catch a rabbit.
Boys, there's more often a pair of mittens.
never heard of these guys. they are fucking hilarious. thanks youtube shorts for not recommending shit
This is the best podcast ever
Lmao that is the retort. You guys coulda just taken it and here we are
in 1830 the population of Wisconsin (territory) was around 3500 people. And the only people living up north were natives and a few trappers and loggers.
Wisconsin is the mitten that Helen Keller knitted. Mich looks much more like a normal mitten
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This
Lol!
By definition that would be a debate with guns 😂 🤣 🍻
Wisconsin was too busy drinking beer and eating cheese 😅
Being from the U.P. I wish Wisconsin would have fought atleast a little bit. Go Pack Go! Even this year!
That's a Midwest war right there if I ever saw one
I KNEW THIS ABOUT TOLETO!
I always thought the UP looked like an upside down high heel. So it fits Michigan’s clothing theme
This is great 😂
Wisconsin looks like a mitten after you've used it as emergency TP and left it in the snow
Hey we're Michiganders, we only need one military interaction to win a war
Michigan is so tough, we won a war without even having to fight. We walked down to the border of Ohio, and when their governor saw us wolverines, he was like “aight, imma head out.”
That's why Ohio has Toledo then right? What a classic Michigan buffoon
I live in the UP lol. east side by Sault ste. Marie. this was funny.
Fellow Yooper here!
I'll just raise my glass of Widow Maker. 😀
Every one of these is Michigan when they get recommended to me now youtube really has my number
Charlie getting his facts straight lol.
There really needs to be a Michigan series
In Utah we're still upset about Wyoming taking our corner.
never give up either!!!
The ol midwestern banter agreement.
“No, I insist”😂😂😂😂😂
Your accents kill me 😂
A big thumbs up from the thumb itself.
Wisconsin said "UPE, after you!"
Yessirrr 313 baby
I'm dying to visit the UP it looks so beautiful. I've been to lower Michigan but I don't remember any of it since I was a child and drinking too many beers at the time.
LMAO!!! That's called duck hunting!!!! CLASSIC!
my grandma used to live down the street from the lost peninsula, which is where i learned about this singular action war
I'm a Pittsburgh girl through and through but of all the places I traveled to for work, Green Bay is the place I loved the most. Although I'm much older now and the south is looking pretty good!
This is great
Team Michigan
“You got it through the Toledo Wooor”
Sounds like the ideal war: one battle, no casualties
I grew up thinking that the U.P. was the scarf to the mitten.
Yooper here . Take us in Wisconsin
See the proposed state of "Superior" (or Ontanagon)
Whenever I go to the UP it always feels more like Wisconsin than Michigan anyway.
Even funnier when he told the joke in Toledo!
Im from the U.P., I love your content but I don't remember being asked about joining Wisconsin
what's the u.p
@@truth3899 upper peninsula
Ayo I’m commenting from the UP represent
The up can go to hell
Huh always wondered about that little bit of land. Interesting.
The UP is the scarf that goes with the mitten.
The UP is in a “child of divorce” situation 😂
A girl in my high school tried to call Wisconsin the mitten state mind this was in Michigan and everyone mocked her for it.
Former Wisconsinite here. Moved to Michigan. Best move ever, Wisconsin is consistently going backwards and refusing to listen to voter's. Very happy to change my permanent residency to a Michigander. Deuces Wisco. I'll see you one day out of the year. ✌🏻
No it's wasn't. It was done in the middle of the night when no one knew and they had the minimum people required to make a town. No shots at all. I'm from Toledo.
Great mitten
That's called duck hunting got me
Wisconsin looks like my right hand balled up in a fist
Calling Michigan a mitten state is by definition disowning the U.P.
I always thought the up just looked like the second mitten
@@MrMonoposon what, like looking edge-on? Or perhaps after being mauled by a bear?
“That’s no war, that’s called duck hunting”
Bruh spittin’ facts 😭
Wisconsin's "thumb" looks like a mishshapen something that needs covered by Michigan's proper mitten.
We'll come to Wisconsin and take it. Two mittens and the good Ole Yoop, Mine!
The only thing stopping Wisconsin from taking back the UP is one forgotten "watch for deer" From a Michigan friend.
You both can be mitten states. Michigan uses the left hand and Wisconsin uses the right.