TOP USELESS ULTIMATES FOR VALENTINA
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Valentina Users Copying his Ult: *same dude*
@@sopowx Fr fr fr fr fr
Lylia's ult would probably be one of the best steals tho. You can even flicker in and turret dive and just get out with the ult. (It even feels badass)
In addition you wouldn't have to waste your item slots for defensive items as you can just regain the HP back.
Dont forget argus ult to waste all of enemy skills
Also Atlas, set with Damage. We all know that Mage Atlas has so High Damage.
Atlas and Faramis are best.
For me , yve . You can use every 30s while normal yve is 60+,s
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Lylia's ult is the most useful one imo. You can dive in and out in just ease.
Lylia can do the same but ya as a lylia main i hate valentina
didn’t know lyilia could do the same
Lylia can't burst like Val
And the pros have been using it alot too.
@@derangeddroid4911 that's what the point is 🗿
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I beg to differ for lylia. I always prioritise to steal her ult so I can dive tower and their backline easily and just hit ult to reposition and save myself.
Before one of the best ulti are wanwan and minotaur. Now you have to charge too to use the ulti of mino. This are one of the disadvantages if you pick valentina early. You'll get useless ultis
the nerf those shit but dint buff the rest of the ult steal from other hero to be usable
@@Kekwkw she doesn't really need any ultimate buff, she's literally already op even without an ult
@@g4bri3l. her being op doesn't come from her other skills, it's from her passive giving her insane heals. her last nerf made her very easy to kill
@@paracame8162 She has double dash and confusion with skill 1, paired with ice queen wand will give her another slow effect. What makes her so easy to kill again?
@@Meteor-ThunderBears she can't use confusion if she can't use her dash twice in the early game. her confusion has a very short duration. she's very vulnerable against most fighters with a gap closing skill and any mage with easy stun + gap creation abilities, e.g. Eudora, Aurora, Yve, Valir
she also struggles to come back if she gets outfarmed in the early game since her passive heal only works if her level isn't lower than the enemy.
Valentina's only a major threat if your team has an amazing ult, struggles in the early game, or if it's the late game and everyone's the same level
If Joy comes out, she would also be on the list because if she uses Joys Ult, it will probably only be 1 gem instead of 4
I don't think valentine can even use Joy's ult in the 1st place since it needs 4 stacks of Joy's 2nd skill dashes for it to activate
its the same condition to wanwan all over again
Queen leanna from total drama Roblox?😱
no it's based of how many stacks the joy has
ex-
Joy has 3 stacks meaning Valentina copying her ult gets 3 stacks
Imagine picking Mino/Belerick roam, Gusion jungle, Harith mid, Wanwan/Popol gold, and Alice/Sun exp against Valentina.
Then you can still use belericks ult while ganking gold or some other solo/duo heroes
Gussion ult is useful too i always steal gussion ult for fast ganking and for escape
Let's be honest, Lylia ult is actually super useful.
Popol is the worst copy out there 💀
Another one that wasnt so useful to copy is kagura's ult. Its just a knockback with a small area and also need to get close to enemy to have effect, while the damage is not so high. And so yea, i think (also from my experience) kagura could be a counter for valentina, since she has high damage and could either poke or burst valentina, while also outrange valen's skills. Hope it might help if you go against valentina and wondering what to use to counter her.
I'll def check that out
later minotaur no longer have rage, so valentina can use ultimate without the need of rage anymore
Replace Lylia or Sun with Angela. Lylia allows you to dive, while Sun allows you to decoy or push. Angela is just... a shield for a teammate. Similar to Carmilla inside Cecilion.
Also, I want a list of very useful ults. My personal favorite is Balmond and Vale.
Nah, Angela ult is somewhat useful with right mindset, you basically have a free arrival onto your teammate so you can respo fast wherever you are + they get extra shield for it.
Angela's ult is good tho what are you talking about. You can join team fight faster with that, even surprising enemies because they don't expect the shield or your presence
gusion's ult is pretty useful imo since it acts more of a free flicker that is longer and has lower cd, you can use it to get closer in an instant for an easy combo and use the second phase to escape
Not really cause valentina's skill had a low cd .
I have no idea why it doesn't reset the cooldown of Valentina's skills when in Hyper Blend it work with every other heroes, it even resets your original Ult cooldown
@@andreicatabay901 the range from the ult is still far enough + if I rmbr u get fusions passive
@@Jays_MotionLess hyper blend skills are separate from the original skills, as they were probably adjusted to work on all heroes that are enabled in the gamemode
@@i_am_kaede You see, the logic is that it works on all heroes, and it's not a separate skill that will work differently depending on the hero
You get what you get for that chosen skill
Then it should also work on Valentina, and she wouldn't be that OP if they ever make it work, tbh
With Gusion's Ult, it'll only resets her basic skills
Still it'd be nice to do the 1-2-1-2-1 combo twice with that
Some people usually copy they're ults cuz of the expensive skins they have..
Also what is up with people wanting to be first- You don't win anything-
both angela and vexana are in a special case wherein you need to pick them last, depending on either ur team or opposing roster
dumbass in enemy team picked angela first, both me and second player rush for esme
Sun's clone isn't entirely useless.
There was a time when my team wasn't destroying the enemy base.
We won because I copied Sun's ultimate and pushed by myself.
@bird invincibility you mean, invisibility is like Aamon's second skill
@@continentalextinction tbf it's both invisibility and invincibility lol
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I agree with all of these! I’m a Valentina main and when you get to experience it in a game, you’ll be confused when the ult did not work as you’d thought.
I think lylia's ult still pretty useful tho
@@bagusharrysahputra2203 her’s is definitely useful when you want to secure kill and turrent dive. other than that, it doesn’t do much dmg to the enemy
For me the most useful ones are Estes for healing, Yve for Zoning, and Yin for kidnapping my enemies 😂 As long as I am at the same level or higher than them, Valentina becomes a fighter than a mage all of a sudden
Yve almost useless. Few stack is like nothing
@@demonslayer4951 I don’t aim the stacks when using Valentina, I use the 7x7 to zone objectives and to create a bigger area for teamfight. I don’t apply the same mechanics when using Yve when I use Valentina.
@@demonslayer4951 Useless? So the pro scenes are dumb sh*ts for stealing yves ultimates lol
If you 1v1 with Valentina you'll just die
Valentina main here
It excites me to pick Valentina whenever she's open but afraid to pick her too early and get countered by useless ultis
And I really love to counter her with Cecilion and Kagura whenever the enemy managed to get her
Also one thing about Gusion's ult
I think the developers forgot to adjust how it works on Valentina because I remember using it in Hyper Blend and it resets all your other skills when you use Gusion's ult, and that is with every hero you can pick with
You should read gusion's ult properly. It's actually written on the ult that it'll reset the cd of 1st and 2nd skills. So, the reset is not exclusive for gusion only
@@MrDeerbomb Bro, this was 10 months ago
But I do remember stealing Gusion's ult before making this comment and it doesn't reset her skills
Hence, why I said they must have forgot to adjust on his ult when used by other heroes because it works properly on Hyper Blend but not on a normal game
@@MrDeerbomb Okay, I just tested it again in Hero Training mode it Gusion's ult still doesn't reset Valentina's skills when used
My comment still checks out
It only works on Hyper Blend mode, go see it for yourself
honestly as a Valentina main I think any ultimate but popol is useful(perhaps basic attakcs can be good with mm build but I don't really think so)
I also think tank Valentina is more viable than mage Valentina lately
Is popol a good counter?
@@knox9739 well I'd say you can have some advantage if Valentina doesn't have argus ult because Valentina can't burst you easily because her 2. Skill will focus both you and your wolf and perhaps you can burst her with popol because she will be stunned and now that she has low life steal
Event Clint ulti is useful if you stack it before team fight
If Gusion's cooldown reset from his ult actually get applied to Valentina's other abilities it would actually be way useful.
I mostly use Valentina in ranked games.
She is so useful.
I often use her as a support.
My favorite role is mage btw
For julian point it counts on Julian if used the first and the second and you ult him before he used his third you will take the improved one that with knock up
Same to shafir when he have the passive you will get the improved one
Knew it from game against vail
Eudora’s ult is nothing without her passive superconductor and her 2nd skill that reduces magic def
But can still be good at finishing off enemies who are low so, not entirely useless
Gusion's ult is useful against himself tho, once he dashes towards, blink to his back with Gusion's ult and perform your combo. In teamfights, it allows Valentina to reposition herself and probably hit more targets away from cc appliers in the middle of the fight and into the backlines.
I kinda like Belerick ult because unlike Belerick himself, Valentina can dash through the enemy, making her use his ult much better. Plus she can combine it with Winter truncheon and she'll set her own team while being safe. Alternatively, if she is ahead, she can incorporate his ult with her combo and flicker, and the damage will be reduced as she can lifesteal herself with her passive. She will also prolong the CC with her own fear, plus she's still a killer mage so she might get a kill or more. This is the same with Fredrin's ult, but with his Ultimate and Valentina's cooldown resetting mechanic, you can repeatedly cast his taunting ult again and again during her combo, while lifestealing them. It's funny as the enemy is locked down with Fred's taunt and her own fear, they can't escape.
And also Eudora since you cannot activate the 2nd phase.
Alice ult can be used well if you have enhanced tailsmen.
Nope it still drains quick because Alice ult cost lot of mana in late game now while Valentina mana is just the same as before.
@@reoshikumo135 yeah i agree, alice have in-build mana regen and valentina does not
@@alanparadox3041 especially Alice passive
harith is actually a good counter pick against valen. i instantlocked him when i saw enemy auto lock valen. i have faster early clear than her, and her stealing my ult was hilarious as heck
stealing Alice's ult isn't so bad, you just have to adjust your build if you are planning to steal her ult throughout the game, stealing Julian's ult is useful if you stole it while he's in enhanced mode.
Meanwhile best ults that are acknowledged are Estes, Floryn, Faramis(but not Angela tho). I personally like copying Karina and Vexana's ult. Ultimates like Tigreal and Atlas are great, but you'll need to use flicker as your battle spell to fully use it to its maximum potential.
Heroes with morph ults are also kind of ok-ish (you'll need to know how to use those heroes and have high magic power), heroes like Selena, Roger, Lapu-Lapu, Edith.
Also, Valentina can't use Hanzo's first skill if you return to the body early
Alpha is also one of the bad ones I mean it's good for a finish move but if you use the move and it doesn't findin someone its done for you the only thing you can is run with skill 2 and yeah the drones that deal more and more drones appear it's only when you use skill 1 and 2 with aplha
Valentina can copy WanWan she just need to hit enemy so they get marked this works without even. Transforming into wanwa
moonton nerfed wanwan ultimate. So it would be very long to cast it
@@user-nf1bz3sn4z she is still strong mm
I think worst is a better word than useless since some of this at least provides a bit of utility
Copying Lylia Ult is op, bc like you said „you can save yourself“
gusion's ult isn't really useless, it doesn't reset skills but it gives you a free flicker every 30s or so which combined with her already existing dash and flickers, makes it very easy to go in and delete squishies and easily escape.
It's Valentina telling our hero ults are useless with evil laugh
I kinda like Gusion'e ult, because she can use for escaping him and avoiding his combo
Use belerick ulti and immediatly use winter truncheon
it cancels your ult
Some Ult can be useful in chasing an enemy or escaping the battlefield tho but yeah its useless because you can't use it to attack an enemy
Also all ults with stacks like hayas for example are useless. Valentina's main problem is her 1st 2nd skill can kill you if you are a squishy and she sustains alot. Her ult is just a way to outplay but not so op
Haya's ult is useful. The stacks are there just to prioritize which enemy that's attacked first and some additional but kinda insignificant damage. The stacks don't add to the total hits of the ult. You can still use it to finish off enemies or just plain invincibility
I like to pick valentina and hoping teammate will pick hero that need CCed to stop them...for example alucard without tanky or hard cc can dominate hard...no anti heal will make alucard can even solo 1v4...and someone need to stop it...but i guess they dont want to play that and pick average heroes
Lylia is probably one of my favorite copies and gusion can be used as an escape skill because it has 2 dashes
Minotaur ult can be used quite effectively as long as you steal it mid fight, at ult level 3 you get the other half of the rage bar by channeling it which allows her to use enhanced fury without being exposed to danger
In the new patch as long as you still mino ult before your team forces a clash, you can stack up the rage first before going for the setup. Problem is the set is kinda meh but you get immune to cc
Agreed with all EXCEPT Lylia.
I think the ulti should copy 100% with enemy equipment, skill,passive.
She just become a perfect copy heroes until cancel or duration is finish
I like using valentina but she's either banned or so bad as a first pick in rank as enemy would just pick heroes with useless ults
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we had a match one time where the enemy first pick valentina. with our team being the second pick, i try to convince our other team mates to use heroes that cant be useful for valentina. as i was the roamer i picked freddrin and our jungler was hanzo.
valentina couldnt even do anything useful throughout the match lol.
Maybe in future, just maybe, revamp valentina would be able to copy all her opponent skill. It's not that overpower ability
2:14 can someone help me understand why Kagura isn't a top prio mage in tournaments despite the fact that it's a good answer against valentina, the most contested mage?
I think the top contested ones are *faramis, valentina, yve, xavier, lylia, pharsa.* Out of these mages, the only one she'll probably have a hard time against is faramis and lylia. But people like picking lolita against Faramis lineups anyway and kagura works well with any good setup tank. On the other hand, Fanny or Dyrroth could cover for a Lylia pick.
But yes, the problem with all those meta mages is that Valentina could take advantage of their ult. And seeing that Valentina is a prio pick for all teams, I don't see why teams don't pick Kagura to counter. Most teams seem to still like picking Faramis even though she could take Faramis ult.
Not usefull nor useless, but very situational -> John's ult. Problem with this is, Val have timer and when the timer runs of, she will "crash" and turn back into Valentina. In this time-span if you don't manage to land good hit, it's wasted.
Edith's ult is the best one. Proven and tested👌🏻. Like the insane amount of lifesteal is sooo great🤌🏻.
Attack speed still sucks
Helcurt ult doesn't do much for her since she can't make use of his passive. But the blind is nice ig. Idk if she can even use Hanzo ult though.
Tbh gusion's ult is not useless
It's very useful since first dash is long as hell
So you can dash away or displace yourself
Actually Gus ult is great for escaping/chasing the enemy or even good at surprise attack and close combat
Gus ult is actually great to dive near the enemy without using her s2 to go in which really helps her to 'fear' lock the enemy
@@alanparadox3041 exactly
I mean you can use sun ult to
1. Immune CC skills
2.small distraction
as a Valentina main, I'd like to say do NOT pick Alice against Valentina. Alice's ult is actually one of the best ults for her to copy if she's not building full mage. the heal from her ult and the heal from her passive stacks to make her insanely tough to kill. plus, Valentina's mandatory enchanted talisman and her copy duration makes it so the mana isn't an issue
There are a lot more of weak ultimates for Valentina. Eudora, Baxia, Paquito, Lesley, Layla, Aldous (handy vision but not damage or hard CC), Miya, Terizla, Hayabusa, Aamon, Saber, and many more heroes
La ulti de Clint tampoco es recomendable; cuando trate de usarla, creo que ni 1 bala cargada había, debía esperar el CD de los stacks y para entonces ya se había acabado el tiempo de la ulti de Valentina jaja
meanwhile valnetina users thinking:- who cares about if the ult is useless Or useful still we get to spam enemy's recalls and get their skin without spending money:))
BTW u forgot miya
Me: pick valentina
Enemy team: *pick valir, gusion, julian, popol, hilda*
Gusion's dash, Lylia's HP reset, and Sun's temporary invincible are still useful
You forgot Angela's. Copying her ult will only give Valentina a free ride inside a teammate while giving them smol shield and that's it.
For me, worst is popol and kupa. The best are either Faramis or Estes' ultimate skill followed by Pharsa
Well if the enemy Gusion is using the Dimension Walker skin, I'd still copy his ult
oh nahhh lylia's is super useful. im a lylia main and i fought against a really good valentina who always camped just to steal my ult and we had a really hard time facing her. i stayed behind so she can't reach me and we managed to win the game.
if I remember correctly before popol got released in official, his ult would insta summon kupa if he's dead
every hero on the list when there is a valentina: let's destroy them.
The entire video
Valentina laughed "hahaha" even she copied useless ulti
As a valentina main, sometimes the most useless ult can be good as well. For example, if the only mm in enemy team is popol and kumpa, i actually use it to push turrent faster since my physical atk will increase rather than pushing with valentina's attack alone (Although i try my best not to copy his ult since its really really useless in teamfights)
Argus too lol
i fought a lot of valentina’s here in mythic
rank and just me alone even if she has my ultimate her damage is still not as strong as Argus passive and her heal is weak since she does not have attack speed
Actually, she would still get healing from argus ult from her skills. On top of her in-build life steal, argus ult is incredibly useful to get back to full health in an instant. Only works on heroes tho
Also make video on top ultis she can use .. useful for newbies
This video is 1 year ago all of this bugs are fixed since now
Please do a video for best ultimate steals for valentina too.
I main support so if I'm fighting against a Valentina I always pick Rafaela, it's not a useless ult, just not one people rely on a lot
Sometime my random teammates they're too much focus at valen whenever I playing rank solo and dont have counter for other heroes
I remember when alice ult mana consumption wasn't as big and valentina was op with it now she's just pitiful
I wouldn't say copying wanwans ult is truly pointless i mean atleast you get a permanent damage boost
Valentina seeing an enemy argus:NOICE 👌
Angela's ult is the other useless one, you body hop with no healing and basically chill in there.
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I personally think that Valentina copying Luo Yi’s ulti would be pretty useless except for when she’s tryna escape lol. Since Luo Yi’s ulti is just teleportation, no damage dealt.
Are you kidding, luo's ult repositioning is best for backdoor win
Claudes is useless because she wont have stacks or attack speed. Unless you actually build DHS on your Valen lol.
Selena ult is useless.
Change Ult isnt horrible, but without Change’s second skill there is no point.
Saber Ulimate is okay for a CC, but without blades it wont do damage.
You cant use angela’s skills while inside an ally with her ult.
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Copy morp user is the most usefull cause you can use all their abilities
Vslentina is only banned specifically when faramis is to be used
I think the best is kaja ult, you can dash to the enemy ult him then dash back
Half of these ults are useful if you build her right
Instead of last patches building her 45% cd with 4 tank items
I now build her situationally
Copying Freya's ult does nothing as well XD
You got shield and aoe basic atk
nope it grants her a massive shield
Well for wanwan yes it sucks you cant insta ult anymore but its not realy that hard to activate it since all of valentina skill can also hit the mark
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In addition, chang'e ult is also not good to be copied.
I think mino's ult us usefull , just copy his ult when his rage is almost full bar
Lylia's ult depends on the situation....but its better to just steal other better ultimates.
When valentina copy Wanwan's Ult she can't just active it randomly you still need to break the shield 💀
I play in classic using valentina and met a team that consist those heroes mentioned and i'm just "oh well, shit"
I have a question about copying wanwan's ult, the moment that you copy it but didn't press it again (before you become wanwan also), you would still deal true dmg right? or not?
Its now updated the others are not useless anymore