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The Last of Us Part II (2020 Action-Adventure Video Game) developed by Naughty Dog and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment as reviewed by Charlie and Jackson.
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Last Of Us 3 Plot leaked
Abby gets an infection from being stabbed so many times in dirty water.
Abby dies.
Rest of the game is just flashbacks on how the water came to be dirty.
Sounds better than 2 tbh
still a better story than TLOU 2 hahaha
I'd be down for a game that leads into the events of TLOU1. They could go in detail into Joel's time as a smuggler with Tommy, Tommy joining the fireflies, Joel meeting Tess etc.
Then the backstory about the water being dirty is that Homer threw his pet pig's poop into it lol
@@zukio6088 joel actually drank that water which is what made him dumb enough to tell abbys group his name and location. it all makes sense now
Imagine Kratos finally finding Zeus, and NOT killing him.
And we also have the fact that GOW CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A LESSON ABOUT HOW REVENGE IS BAD.
Sir.Anthony So true 😂
Gow ps4
kratos: the cycle ends here
Then i started gow trilogy
Gow 2 ps2
Zeus: the cycle ends here.
@@marksayosmejia7251 GOW is the perfect example on how revenge can cause a chain of events that you cant escape.
*SIR NOW YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR WITH THIS HERESY*
I like how Abby never even tells Ellie that she killed Joel because he killed her father... Like wtf
Why would she?😂
Things like this in games and movies annoy me. Especially in horror movies, there are often moments where people just don't give information that can potentially change the villain's perspective
@@rileysevern1968 Dumb question.
@@rileysevern1968 EXTREMELY dumb question.
I mean would it have changed anything? I knew that and it didn't make me want to kill Abby any less, doubt Ellie would've just squashed the beef after realizing he "had it coming" lmao
I don’t think I’ve seen Charlie tear into a game this much in a while
Cuase he’s gay
@@assdonkey6540 says ass donkey
@@assdonkey6540 that dildo collection makes sense now
@@assdonkey6540 really got him there 💀
@@assdonkey6540oml💀
Basically if the Punisher forgave the people who killed his family.
"The Forgiver"
true
Only after he killed all their friends and family mind you.
"The Guywhocan'tmakeuphisgodamnmind"
- Directed by Neil Druckmann
Yeah
How are your comments everywhere? And how are they 100% of the time super high rated. Wtf are you.
Imagine Luke being killed by a woman whose father was a Stormtrooper on the Death Star when it blew up.
I can, because Star Wars is terrible. This game wasn’t that bad
Honestly after the shitshow that was the sequel trilogy that definitely sounds like something that could have happened
I think that would have been better than what we got.
Isn't that Mara Jade's plotline, minus the fact her father figure is not a stormtrooper but the emperor?
@@callum6224 true the game was much worse.
"Its ok Sub-Zero, I forgive you. -Scorpion 2009
“I’m sorry scorpion, It was quan chi not me” sub zero (Bi Han)
You’d at least think Abby would have shown a little mercy after Joel saved her life, but no she ain’t even got that 💀
not to mention she just kills the first dude she comes across named Joel even after he risked his life for her. what a shitty fucking character.
He killed her father she wouldn't even have been in that town needing to be saved if he hadn't killed her father
Jesus that concept could've been a remarkable struggle in the story. To have her battle her hatred... ultimately killing him but more complexity
@@johnnysunshine6550 her father was going to kill Ellie. Well deserved
@@lumi3333 and by killing ellie he would have saved thousands of boys and girls
It's sad that Arthur's horse had a better death.
Bro I cried when my horse died, me and le4che went way back lol
RIP my horse named “Pinez” spelled in 1337, stayed with him the whole game
😂
R.I.P. horse
I named my boy Sebastian. Best horse in the world. 😭
I can’t decide what’s more pretentious: The Last Of Us 2, or IGN’s review of The Last Of Us 2.
Or the people on twitter actively defending the game. "LeT pEoPlE eNjOy tHiNgS!!!!1!!"
"it really makes you feel like ellie 10/10 ign"
People actually listen to IGN reviews!?
@@ashwinc3789 just to shit on them
"This game has a golf minigame!" 10/10 -IGN
My favorite part was when abby said "it's abby time" and dropkicked Ellie out the window. Truly the game ever.
my favourite part was when joel says "so many people got turned into zombies, now there are only the last of us"
Not funny
@@rishit1120 and proceded to last all over the place
@@rockycuro7737 yes funny
@@thehabit635 this joke is overdone
70% of Naughty Dog QUIT the company after Uncharted 4 released in 2017. Including TLOU's creator, Bruce Straley. We should have expected this garbage. Hitchhiker Druckmann just tried to pull a Konami and pretend like he was the one that created everything, he ignored Amy Hennig and Bruce Straley entirely.
Your review is the best on the internet Charlie.
Damn 70%😲
One of the most underrated comment. I agree 100%. People tend to forget that Bruce Straley was also one of the Game Director of the first game...
Yeah Naughty Dog is dead. Sad, beacause Uncharted was my favorite game series. They had it all and they threw it away.
Good comment.
Amy Hennig literally had nothing to do with The Last Of Us.
Also that 70% figure is complete nonsense
Ok, I'm very openly gay, and I said I didn't like the story, someone still called me a homophobe.
You may be openly gay, but you're not the right kind of openly gay.
If you don't support TLOU2, you aint gay - Joe Biden
You're a gay person who doesn't allow themselves to be used as a shield for low quality products, which means Twitter and Tumblr will do everything in their power to act like you don't exist.
I feel bad that you're forced in a community that gives you the illusion that you are loved but the moment you don't think the way the hivemind does your caster out. Your opinion matters my guy/gal
According to the internet: I've contracted all diseases known to mankind, I apperently am left/right/libertarian/commie/capitalist/nazi/salafist and I sexually identify myself as every letter of the alphabet, but I'm a alphabetphobe as well. In other words, welcome to the party, pal!
imagine Squidward didn't punch that guy with a pizza at the end of Pizza Delivery after he make spongebob cry
Even more sad than TLOU2s story line. How
That episode where Mr. Krabs accuses squidward of stealing his dime and squidward going homeless because of it, living in a cardboard box made me sad. TLOU2 however, I felt nothing
Spitting facts bruh
I would be really pissed lmao, I mean they're already taking away Squidwards "humanity" in the new seasons.
Don't you be playin with my emotions like that!
I think the main issue is that Abby was absolutely shoehorned. I would've been okay with a few playable segments but they hammered you over the head with her. Even gave her the most exciting and interesting sequences of the game to Abby instead of ELLIE ! After 7 years, Ellie felt sidelined..
Not only that. They made it so that you wouldn't like playing as her. By day 3 I was kind of liking her then you are forced to fight Ellie. By the time I was in Santa Barbara with Abby and Lev I was just done with playing as her.
@@RobertJohnson-nz3xm you only have to play as Abby for like 10 minutes in Santa Barbara
This. This is my problem with the game.
They really want to subvert your expectations and make Abby grow on you, but the entire time I felt like it was so obvious they didn't even try to hide it, i was just so bored with her segments.
Basically the main theme of the game
"Revenge is bad,except the villain can have it"
Kinda an uncomfortable theme given the writer/director pulled some Weinstein shit at the company.
Gee, I fucking wonder *why* he'd be insistent on the villain getting away with their horrible actions and the people wanting them to pay for their crimes are treated as the bad guy.
Abby literally lost everything the wlfs, her dad her friends she literally only had lev but Ellie has dina, JJ, Tommy and Jackson ville u can see when Ellie leaves she doesn't have on the bracelet dina gave her but when she gets back to the farm house she does when it zoomed In on her hand there both in the wrong the u can't say Abby just gets away with her revenge even though she obviously didn't I feel like u didn't play the game
@@maccheese4557 That's not only not a punishment, given they died as a result of trying to kill Ellie, that's something that happened to *other people.*
The narrative of "she lost her friends" only makes sense if one considers people property that's an extension of one's self, and not independent beings. Which, gee, someone who's done some Weinstein shit at Naughty Dog might *genuinely* think.
@@maccheese4557 A problem with the game was that Abby COULD have gotten away with it but chose not to for the sake of plot. Also, Abby lost everything because she saved her enemy, she does this twice. Difference between her and Ellie was when Ellie is stripped of what she cares for and does what Abby does, the game demonizes that, while praises Abby for taking the same path.
@@maccheese4557 you flip abby's dad in joel's position, where abby was immune and they were gonna kill her for a cure, you really think abby's dad wouldn't have done the same?? Meanwhile abby losing the wlfs was her decision cause she chose to help lev and yara knowing that wlfs and scars are enemies. Her friends dying was the consenquence of her seeking revenge and dragging them into it. The line where she said "We let you live and you wasted it" was one her dumbest moments cuz of the fact that she expected ellie to not seek revenge as well. I mean if she can seek it what makes her think that ellie won't? most of what happens to her in this game are her own doing.
I started to like Jessie and then thirty seconds later he's dead. And then i forgot he existed
Terribly writen character
oh you mean the sperm donor guy ?
Kinda confused by this point of criticism - Jesse shows up in a journal you can find in the house during the farm sequence, and in a cutscene right afterwards. Don't get me wrong, the game is not good, but all the people getting the most attention in their criticisms of it are making are pretty stupid points, and thereby supporting the positive reactions the moronic game journalism community members are making.
idk why but already at the beginning i knew he was going to be killed in some shit way, shame i was right
It felt like the writers where like "oh shit.. if he survives then we have to think about how we handle the whole baby situation. Huh.. you know what that means" but I wasn't even sad about it because they didn't even give you any chances to connect with him.
I'm still mad Ellie and Dina didn't acknowledge the horses' death. SHIMMER DESERVED BETTER
Yeah fr wasn't shimmer ellies horse ever since she's been in jackson
*angry Arthur Morgan noises*
@@beanzuwu I reloaded my save and grabbed the backup horse. Aint nobody killing my boi Tomo.
@@beanzuwu lost my black arabian, nugget. shit hurted
@@beanzuwu yeah right. Arthur's horse died and he stopped to say goodbye to it while being fired at and close to death where Ellie and Dina never talk about it again
The flashbacks between Ellie and Joel were more emotional than the present storyline especially when Ellie finds out the truth
Could’ve expanded on how their relationship changed and adjusted seeing them her struggle with forgiveness seeing how much joel loves Ellie like WHY DID WE NOT FOCUS ON JOEL AND ELLIE AGAIN then last of us 3 concludes the story after joel dies at the end of 2 or something
Imagine after Arthur's death you continue as Micah
That actually would be pretty cool
@@Leadoff2006 to each their own
@@Leadoff2006 Uh, no.
@@pinkkfloydd you don’t think it would be kinda cool or like crazy if you play as Micah for a little while, instead of being John in the epilogue you are Micah and you get killed
Last of us rabid fans would eat it up because Micah is neither gay, a woman nor a gay woman.
People waited 7 years for this. I won't say anything else.
It could be worse... you could’ve waited a whole week for the Tulsa convention
Ace Killa 08 lol
You think they can mess up skate 4 this bad?
CactusCola if they somehow incorporate that shitty EA/madden pay-for-everything-esque gameplay then yes. I just want a refined version of Skate 3, maybe more features. No stupid shit.
Duke Nukem Forever took 14 years lol.
Imagine if Tony Stark didn’t snap his fingers and had shawarma with Thanos
Captain Marvel or Dr. Strange wouldve came in action.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII and then ate him.... Savage
lmao
This is probably one of the outcomes Dr. Strange saw.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII Assuming the level of injury caused by the snap is proportional to the wish power, Tony Stark might have actually lived to eat him lol.
If Ellie never went after Abby the second time, it would have been a way better ending
I AGREE WITH THIS SO MUCH, you don’t understand. I hated the fact that the game made me go through all that, 27 hours( i’ve looked) killed all of abby’s friends, got beaten by abby, went home, started a family, etc. And then they just try to extend the plot further by making me go through all this other stuff in a whole new area just to not kill abby. i would have been more than satisfied with staying home with Dina and having that be the ending, they unnecessarily extended the game and that was just a huge downside, honestly didn’t even feel like playing it anymore
If anything, when Joel’s brother came to the farmhouse with Abbie’s location, just have Ellie agree to go then. Instead she waits like two days after he leaves and then decides to do it
Considering Ellie's mental state was getting worse I don't think so. At least both are alive and recovering
true
The best part about tlou2 I thought was the flashback to Ellie and Joel at the museum. That whole part was great.
Meh I mean without context it wouldn’t mean much and it feels like that’s the demographic that liked this game the ones who didn’t play the first one and feminists
@@AAA-hd5dv bro what
@@indieoregano the new game is shit
@@AAA-hd5dv did you play it?
@@carsoncampbell6792 no and it doesn’t matter
Can't wait for The Last of Us 3 where you play as the cousin of the soldier that killed Sarah and you have to kill Tommy
we will play as a orphan puppy (because Ellie shoots her entire dog family) in search for her for vengeance:
The last of bark.
Lmao smooth
I actually snorted at this comment
😂😂👌🏻fucking true
That would actually be a better end for Tommy than they gave him
Absolutely legendary how the scooby movie has a higher rating than this
Yeah because at least that movie kept true to its roots lmao
lol
Scooby Doo is always a classic and they didn't step out of boundary with it's story
That kinda happens when people review bomb something
@@doughboyjimmy4644 oh, please. A review bomb is undeserved. TLoU2 clearly deserves the shit scores.
I think this game was too ambitious for its own good. The separate narratives converging and the shifting of perspectives were both interesting ideas but their execution was lacking. It would have been better if the story was told chronologically, alternating between Ellie and Abby, instead of reaching the climax then rewinding three days.
I get that we were supposed to get the gratification from revenge and then realize that the cost was greater than the fulfilment, but I never felt bad for killing Abby's friends because I didn't get to know them first. I also found it impossible to connect with Abby's friends during her section because I already knew they were dead. The only death that impacted me at all was Manny's, and that's no coincidence because we didn't see him die hours ahead of time.
Also, I know they were trying to draws parallels between Joel/Ellie and Abby/Lev but I just didn't buy it. Joel and Ellie bonded over an entire year during a trip across the U.S. and it took them a while to even be open to caring for each other. Abby hangs out with Lev for less than 3 days, abandons the WLF that helped her survive for years, and is saying stuff like, "You're my people!" That just wasn't believable and didn't really work in my opinion.
This franchise is a prime example of "less is more." Part 1's story is not nearly as complex as Part 2's. There was too much to remember/care about in the sequel. The original (and Left Behind) were tighter, more focused stories that were much easier to connect with.
All that said, the leaks spoiled some of this story for me before launch. I still played it twice to experience it for myself in context. I'll never know how I would have felt about this game if I went in completely blind. I'm not sure if I would have liked it more or less than I do now. That's my take on the story but everything else in this game is fantastic, so I can't give this game too low a score either. However, since the main selling point of this game is the narrative, I can't give it a very high score either. I couldn't agree more with 55%.
id give it a higher rating personally, but everything you said is absolutely true. Still gonna play the third game though lmao.
Yet it won goty
Also plot armor and plot conveniences. Especially HOW IN HELL A WOUNDED ELLIE MANAGES TO GET A DYING DINA AND TOMMY AND POSSIBLY JESSE'S CORPSE ALL THE WAY FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON TO JACKSON, WYOMING.
No gameplay segment of it. No explanation. Apparently it doesn't matter. What a gotcha moment.
Bottomline that's just it. The game is full of gotcha moments, you can't really take the story seriously.
@@bubba2922 yes, the glorified circlejerk, how astounding
@@memecliparchives2254 In the first part of the game Abby's group could have ended Ellie but chose not to for the sake of plot and in the final part Ellie has no reason not to let Abby die on that post. This game absolutely has plot conveniences like you said 100%.
I love how when Charlie starts talking about how beautiful the game is, the camera starts glitching around the environment, prolly some comedic timing
I don’t know... Having zombies in a golf game is a little too ambitious for me
F
Yes
Why is everyone calling it a golf game
@@xXgodofwarXx golf
Not playing the kino mini golf game in Dead Rising 4
Honestly, the nameless AI have more compassion for their fallen comrades than either of the Lead Characters.
XD
Modern supercars look the same
Oh, but some of them do have names, evidenced by the fact that their friends scream out their names when you shoot them to make you feel bad about yourself.
No Miata 0/10
holy shit you're here
The game is not about revenge being bad, but about perspective, breaking the cycle of hate, and dealing with grief
Not once does Abby make any attempt to break any cycle of hate. She just thinks she's entitled to harm others and get away with it.
In fact, were it not for Ellie and *only* Ellie, she'd have gotten away with everything scot free, and even then she had droves of sycophants dying to keep her from the consequences of her own actions.
No, it really is *just* revenge bad because when it was written Neil Druckmann was upset his best friend got fired for grabbing people by the chest and groin, seeing his friend's firing as "revenge" rather than justified punishment.
@@crazyinsane500if Abby never broke the cycle of violence then what do you call her leaving Ellie, Dina alive at the theater?
@@winhaa That was her doing what Lev told her. She herself wanted to kill both. Similarly to how in the start she only doesn't kill Ellie and Tommy because Owen tells her not to.
This ties back into Neil Druckmann as a writer, since he has a problem with writing women without them being subservient to men.
@@crazyinsane500 Do you think Ellie is subservient to Joel?
I understand and agree. But even so, the game could be much better and much more developed. Half the game is just trying to force our compassion for a character who has zero charisma and who killed the protagonist of the first game. This is gameplay time that could have been used more intelligently to better develop the plot as a whole and have a more satisfying ending for everyone.
So immature that people instantly assume you’re homophobic or hate that joel died if you say the game is bad
Exactly! I am bisexual and I think this video game is bad (the gameplay's good though).
@@Ebh55. my thoughts exactly (not the bisexual part)
Imagine not killing the icon of sin because revenge is bad
The longer Abby stays in seattle, the swoler she'll become.
😯
“You cannot smash a whole onto the skull of Joel”
Objective: Smash a whole into the skull of Joel
somewhere in nevada
@@rageinducer2455 i swear her arms grow bigger every second i stare at them
Imagine the Bride in Kill Bill after she’s kills all of the Deadly Vipers she gets to Bill the architect of her family’s deaths and she like “you know what Bill? Revenge is bad so I’ll leave you alone.”
@Invader Jet Instead of blowing his heart with awesome martial arts she could blow his mind with bad writing.
@@dinovangowan658 The bride puts down her Hattori Hanzo sword and picks up a pen filled with shitty ink.
SHE KILLS BILL? SPOILERS
@xXx_EpicGamer_xXx it's a joke you gourd
The issue isnt that she didnt kill her after the entire journey. In fact thats the best way to go about it, but hthe ending does not feel earned at all.
They realized the story had very little actual substance and hastily covered it up by being as grimdark as possible so it’s impossible to actually care about the story, which distracts you from it’s lack of substance. It’s genius. Just randomly kill off 2 of the only likable characters (Joel and Jesse) for Shock Value.
They really do make all the women in this game annoying assholes. Based but also not what they were going for I’d imagine.
Finally someone says the truth. The graphics, combat and set pieces were amazing. Everything else falls flat completely.
Idk how the writers thought it made sense for ellie to go on a murdering rampage in Seattle and when she got to abby she just didnt have the balls to kill her
I thought of it as when Ellie finally got her goal right in front of her, her revenge rage and adrenaline wore off and finally realized what she had done to get to her, and her leaving her to live was less “I’m being noble” and more “what’s the point?”
I’m only hearing these pieces from spoilers, I haven’t played the game yet, and according to a lot of people’s opinions, I could still be let down
Obama Check you will be, better to save $60.
Obama Check, but remember, if you end up not liking it- you’re a transphobic, homophobic, bigot. It’s better not to touch the thing with a 20 yard stick.
@@obamacheck3567 I would totally understand if it was not for something that happens literally 10 seconds before she chooses to not do the deed. 🤦♂️
@Erykaldo 120
I don't know. Looking at those sales. It's going to be 60 dollars until Black Friday.
I'm just saying if it was Ellie who died Joel would've beat Abby to a pulp before tossing her into a horde of clickers then proceed to wipe out the Wolves.
I like your version of the game
John wick in this bitch (Joel wick if u will)
This is better than naughty dogs vision please buy the IP and delete the second game and remake it
That actually would have been a very solid revenge story. Joel kills Abby's father and then Abby kills Joel's surrogate daughter and they proceed to wipe each other out until they've lost everything. Would have driven the 'revenge is bad' motif way better than this shit game.
@@Pedowood this is it
Imagine this.
The game starts of with you as a
Abby, the story is framed as a revenge story of finding who killed her family or whatever, just some basic plot that is not uncommon to games. Joel and Ellie aren't mentioned at all. For the first section, all of the gameplay is with Abby. The Last of Us 2 is framed as a story completely different and independent from the first game, fooling the player the Last of Us is more of anthology series on survivors in the post-apocalypse rather than one whole story. You learn more about Abby, and become more attached to her character and past, as you have to Joel and Ellie.
You play through like 5 hours of normal exploring, piecing together clues and following a trail of this mystery man who killed your family. Then, you come across Joel all of a sudden in the wilderness, work together to survive a horde. Hopefully making you think "Pretty cool that they did a cameo for Joel from the last game" but think nothing more of it.
Then he introduces himself, and the story plays out as it did in this game, with both protagonists killing each others friends and family slowly, hurting characters you've built relationships with and cared about the whole game(s).
I think that framing provides a more gripping story about revenge and actually teaches the lesson of it clearly, seeing as you may have actually cared about the the characters before they died. And this way, you actually empathize with Abby more, rather than just hating her outright from the get-go.
Yeah, that thing you just did?
We call that a second draft, something that takes the first draft and fixes quite a few mistakes and reworks things so it's viable. You're not the first one to do this and you're not gonna be the last, because this was never given that treatment before they started charging money for it.
TLOU2 was a rough draft presented as a final product and it shows, doesn't it?
So if they pulled an MGS2 and the story was more predictable then people would be less mad? I really don’t think so. The way it was structured seemed deliberately designed to provoke the most visceral emotion.
What you call “gripping” might’ve seemed more cliche and harder to pace than what Naughty Dog was going for.
I think we all would know Joel was the one Abby was looking for, so there’s no point drawing that out for 5 hours. I really don’t see that reveal carrying much weight at all just by trying to pretend that her story was unrelated to the first game.
If we empathize with Abby from the beginning, her redemption arc would be much more predictable and Ellie’s choice at the end would be much more obviously spelled out as the “correct” one.
I don’t think anyone who wasn’t spoiled could’ve seen any of the events coming. I’m so glad they didn’t go the pandering route with just another Joel and Ellie adventure with a touch of revenge for added drama.
I’m glad this game is inspiring so many people to see if they could take a crack at laying out a better story. Its interesting its like seeing the bargaining phase if grief play out in the comments section.
@@Solidsnaik This wasn't the well thought out masterpiece you think it is. TLOU2's basis is in a rejected TLOU1 plot, now commonly known as the Tess Hunts Joel plot, that was thrown out by then-director Bruce Straley.
Like any other entitled artist who thinks they are incapable of anything less than perfection, instead of accepting that it didn't work and letting it die, Neil Druckmann reworked that rejected plot into a new game, without care to address the issues of *why* it was rejected and thus creating new issues along the way. Worse yet is that his attempt at ruining the characters of Ellie and Joel was just an attempt to totally torch the franchise out of childish spite because, despite rejecting his plot, the original game succeeded overwhelmingly, showing they were *right* to reject it.
It's not intentionally going for the emotions you're thinking of: The writer IS just that bad. If they weren't they wouldn't have kept firing employees for picking up on that "visceral reaction" and not liking Abby.(Yes, people lost their jobs because they didn't like Neil Druckmann's OC meant to replace Joel and Ellie)
that would be so predictable
@@sex06 Iron Man taking the ring from Frodo to drop it into Mount Doom or vaporize it with his fire breath would also not be predictable.
Wanna try using the only other braincell you have to figure out that unpredictable =/= good?
Hearing Charlie talking so passionately about this is genuinely inspiring
I can't wait for The Last of Us 3 where Ellie gets beaten to death with a lacrosse stick in the first 2 hours of the game.
Plot twist: Abby sets out a revenge journey for Ellie.
She forgot to lock the door and the revenge got in
A lacrosse stick. Nah not vengeful enough, now boxing gloves, DAT will get the vengeance flowing
Nah Ellies dead dude. She committed suicide in the woods at the end. The voice actor for Ellie was booted out by Neil as well
@@liuner2479 Now Abby is mad bc Ellie had spared her. Do you see the importance of making friends kids? kill bad friend good. now that I look at tlou2 this seems possible
Imagine Lee finding Clementine's kidnapper and then letting him keep her and The Walking Dead game series ends like that.
I compare Joel to Lee a lot
THAT'S how you send off a character. Not go 400 yds with him on a tee lol
or clementine finding out who killed lee, killing an army of people to get to him and then letting him go (btw I know lee wasn't killed by someone but its an example)
imagine if you spent 8x as much money on brokeback mountain, you don't know what that is yet, and you were promised Red Dead Redemption 2, but you realize after putting a lot of time into the beginning of the story, around hour 10 you're like, THIS IS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. SHIT. And the girls never come, and the western you were promised is half assed Red Dead Redeption 1 shit plus it manages to disrespect characters and shoehorn in stupid shit as well. That's how it must feel to purchase this game.
Imagine playing Red dead redemption as Ross and at the end of the game Jack wimps out that revenge is bad but of course after Ross shooting some fingers first.
Don't let people gaslight you into thinking the game is good now
Oh the irony
@@johnhenry1190😂
To be fair they mentioned Jesse when ellie was gearing up to leave on the farm after Tommy arrived.
TLoU 1 Ellie: "I'm scared of ending up alone."
TLou 2 Ellie: *ends up all alone*
Professional game reviews: "game ends in a satisfying conclusion for the characters."
Me: what the actual F***!
Their checks are in the mail though.
"Professional "
"GNOOOOOO MY GAME HAS TO HAB AN HAPPY ENDING NOOOOOOOOOOOO WHERE IS MY" AND THEY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER!!!"
@MisterMooCow did you not see the ending?
@@gc4917 damn you really didnt understand his comment
Imagine Price having a hug with Makarov in MW3 instead of killing him
Price and yuri chasing makarov up the hotel and sparing makarov despite him being the reason why literally everyone of his friends is dead. Cuz revenge bad. You think Price was thinking of all the people he killed leading up to that moment? No he wasn't.
The Martha effect lmao
They chase makarov thru that building just to hug him
I mean, in all fairness, Price didn't kill Makarov JUST because of revenge. He killed him because he was also responsible for starting a world war.
Red Centurion revenge for starting a world war
The sudden transition to a Manscape ad and the mention of "nose pubic hairs" was somehow smoother and more coherent than half of the transitions between scenes in the game.
which is an insane downgrade from the first game and its perfect intro transitions
Normally, I like angry Charlie, but this isn't angry Charlie.
This is anguished Charlie.
Punished
Charlie has ran out of anger
Get this man a bandana and an eye patch
he's not mad, just disappointed
Fierysmile punished “moist venom” charlie
Imagine John Wick where he goes through the entire movie killing mobsters but at the end he spares the guy who killed his dog.
Damn that’s a actually a good comparison that would have ruined the movie entirely
Exactly like this game lmao. Abbie took everything and In the end she gets away with revenge and Ellie gets fucked over and loses everything. This game sucks ass
Leftist John Wick.
or if Thanos didn't snap at the end of infinity war.
and john wick isn't exactly a hero either. it's implied in the movies that before the events of the first movie that john was a killing monster. and he still is.
I still think Joel's death was really pathetic, and the story would have benefitted a lot more from keeping him alive and having him and Ellie's relationship grow.
Yeah, but then people wouldn't feel like they *have* to like Abby.
Because don't you, like the author intended, love it when writers kill off established characters to replace them their their cool new versions?
lazy aah story@@crazyinsane500
@crazyinsane500 they failed to make people like Abby
@@thynx3682 Say what? Nooooo, the author totally addressed that when testers kept telling him they didn't like Abby!
He added a scene with her petting a dog and her dad saved zebras, doesn't that make her likeable?
What do you want them to do, have her address core character flaws and acknowledge her remorseless nature and possibly reflect on the consequences of her actions and how they'll affect others?
i just realized this was sarcasm@@crazyinsane500
"You can go zeus, just leave"
*kratos*
"You're right Iosef. It _was_ just a dog. Don't do it again."
*John Wick*
i think the best revenge game is GOD OF WAR cause in the series kratos didn't care if revenge is bad or not he just wanted his revenge and then in GOD OF WAR4 you see the impact of his past
@@redmarine2717 that's how you do a revenge story, show the impact of revenge instead of the complete opposite
@@jasonalv7436 yes
_"I'm not gonna Kill Bill"_
~The Bride 2020
The fact that there isn’t a single character that dies to a zombie in a zombie apocalypse game is crazy to me
The telltale zombie games were pretty good tho
A zombie apocalypse game where the zombie apocalypse is irrelevant to the plot . . . perfect (not really)!
@@magnatcleo2043 The thing about zombie apocalypses is that people are more dangerous than zombies
@@longagaming9208 Humans should never be so much more dangerous that the zombies become irrelevant, as there would be no point in still having the zombies as a threat.
@@magnatcleo2043 have you seen Night of the Living Dead? George Romero himself (credited father of modern zombies) said that zombies are more like props or plot devices designed to further the story. Humans are the monsters as survival often means killing anything that threatens that idea.
My favourite part was when Abby said “We are the last of us part 2 Ellie”
There is something seriously wrong with people who liked this game and I don't want to interact with them in any way.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Can't imagine being such a closed-minded person. Interacting with you in any way would probably make me dumber.
I have played this game over 7 times.
They act like this revenge plot is the most unique story when literally naruto did the same thing but somehow better
Naruto even had a ton of flashbacks too lmao
which is like saying a turd somehow did better, so nice job Naughty Dog, a turd beat you.
Not gonna lie.... sasuke revenge story was nicely executed.
@@RampagingFlippy030 are u seriously comparing naruto to a turd ?
@@umersalman1 he's talking about pain
Imagine playing through the game expecting an epic death for Joel, only to have a girl kill him with a Manscaped Lawnmower 3.0 that she got on sale from charlie's sponsor.
I absolutely expected him to die but not like a bitch
Honestly I think he didn't even have to go out epicly but at least have him be in character for it. The entire plot point is so contrived here and just about every party is a complete idiot during it all. The lead up to his death contradicts so much of what we know of him and doesn't do anything positive for his character at all so it feels hollow, pointless to a degree, and hateful.
@@fluidwolf They held the idiot ball for way too fucking long.
@@bigchungus7050 Pretty much everyone expected Joel to die, but the situation leading to his death doesn't match his character at all.
>Joel is a cautious man who is very experienced with ambushes, so much so that he can spot one in an instant in the first game
>Joel doesn't trust anyone, he even scolds Ellie for giving out her name to Sam and Henry in the first game
>Joel knows that he didn't kill all the fireflies in the first game, and that they knew who he and his brother are
>Despite this he doesn't use an alias, and he gives his name out to complete strangers
>He also lets his guard down entirely around a group of armed strangers, instead of keeping his back to a wall or staying near a door, he stands in the middle of the room
>Despite Jackson having bandit attacks, Tommy tells this group of strangers where they live and inviting them to come get supplies
>After Joel says his name the entire room goes quiet and tense
>Instead of decades of survival instincts kicking in and having Joel fight or flight, he awkwardly says they act like they've heard of him
>Tommy is literally positioned where he should see Abby getting the shotgun, yet he doesn't say a word until after Joel has been shot and falls
The writing is fucking awful.
@@liuner2479 big facts
As much as I want to disagree, I just can't... especially the way Charlie perfectly describes all of its problems. TLOU 1 was pretty much flawless in its story and TLOU 2 did NOT live up to those standards... maybe they really should have stopped at 1.
if they made joel's death better, and did what charlie with the flashbacks leading up, then it would be a lot better
Imagine if Kratos helped Gaia up Mount Olympus to go give Zeus a hug because revenge is bad.
Hello my name is Iñigo Montoya you killed my father, prepare to live.
This comparison would only make sense if the six-fingered man had a reason for the terrible things he'd done, and Inigo's quest for revenge had stripped away most of his humanity and positive memories of his father, and the six-fingered man had spared Inigo's life twice, and right before killing the man he hates most in the world Inigo had realized that one more dead body wouldn't bring his father back from the dead.
underrated comment
@@tackyproduct well the six fingered man did try to get indigo killed when they infiltrated the castle
@@tackyproduct "My name is Jack Marston you killed my father now I'm gonna let you go even though I killed a whole bunch of people to get to you"
Shane Maguire why are you trying so hard lol
*EDITED FOR CLARIFICATION AND EXTRA INFO, CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR RDR AND RDR2*
RDR 1 and 2 did "revenge is wrong" better. Arthur Morgan(RDR2 main protagonist) told John Marston to "ride away and never look back". In other words, to find a new life and to not return to the past, a past of trouble, stress, and violence. He unfortunately decides to find and kill Micah, after he destroyed the Van Der Linde gang and killed. Killing Micah led Edgar Ross to John Marston which would result in all the shit in RDR and eventually Marston's death at the hands of the government. He could've stayed out of criminal business and just taken care of the ranch with Abigail and Jack, and done bounties with Sadie Adler or something. Instead he ends up with his family taken by the government and hunting down his old gang members. And for what? The satisfaction of killing Micah Bell? I hate Micah but he could've just waited for him to get hypothermia up in the mountains or just ignored him. The only good thing that comes from this revenge is Dutch Van Der Linde leaving John a good amount of money. Jack Marston, John's son, hunts down Edgar Ross, the Detective Agent who manipulated and betrayed John, and kills him, which is exactly what John did not want. He is now very likely a wanted man, he was in the area and looking for Ross, and a few people are told about this by Jack himself. Hopefully Jack is able to escape the consequences. A GTA Easter egg implies that he did, but that's an entirely different universe. Another way it's done very well is that it's not shoved down our throats. It's a present theme but it isn't really always hovering above us.
Mr Pirate redemption is in the name I expect that it would be better than this
Ross used the fuck out of John though :(
They shouldve done that with this game. Have Ellie kill Abby and then reveal at the end of the game that Lev is tracking down Ellie to kill her for revenge. Would have given the same message but much better and more cathardic
I was gonna comment that. But let me add to it.
Arthur told John to run away and never look back, John blinded by revenge did the opposite by killing Micah, which led Ross to finding out the Marston is still active, Ross blackmailed John, betrayed him, killed him, and in the end, Jack Marston, who both John and Arthur DIED so they could prevent Jack from becoming like them, became like them. It's really tragic when you think about it.
Victor Acosta He still wanted Jack to live a better life.
the gameplay aspect of the game is amazing in my opinion, I love the stealth and such. But the story is NOTHING compared to the first game, and it was honestly the first game to thoroughly piss me off at the end.
Agreed. Genuinely some of the best stealth sections since MGS 5. I do also like the story though, the characters are consistently written and the narrative makes a lot of thematical sense
@@booker229bro just stfu. Delete that comment. A reason this game is hated. Nothing is consistent. What do u mean Written consistently? What joel being an idiot😂 and ellie going from optimistic to being a psycopath? Where is The «consistency»?
he also lied about it being completely the same gameplay wise.. the added mechanic of dodging was amazing for combat and led to way better exchanges and the addition of prone and tall grass into encounters was great. seems like he just wanted more reason to harp on it
@wackjumpr yeah but then it's literally copy and paste, same formula just minor features added and that's it
I think they forgot that Joel was the best character in the game. They thought they could create a good character anytime but they didn’t realize that they already peaked.
Neil Druckmann wanted to end the first game with Joel getting tortured to death and Straley was against it and thankfully overruled or talked him out of it. It's pretty clear Neil is a very insecure man and forces weird agendas into his games and in this one it caused a story that made zero sense and destroyed a franchise.
@@docchicken1342 malding
@@docchicken1342still goty....
@@Zapdos97 goty means nothing to most gamers, just like the grammys and oscars mean nothing to most. Druckmann can't even get the factions game out, ND is a shell of their glory days. My goty that year was easily FF7 Remake and that's all that matters for me.
@Moongrum97 ur goty flopped and couldn't turn a profit... something ain't adding up. Almost like those shill and paid reviews were lies. How does a goty not even break even?? lmfaooooooooooo game was $10 in the bargain bin months after launch....yeah buddy I'm sure that indicates a HIGHLY successful game 🤡
Imagine Taken if Liam Neeson found his daughter after torturing and killing all those mobsters but then decided to just go home and let his daughter be a sex slave because he realized that “revenge is bad.”
And then the main character becomes the son of one of the mobsters and kills Liam Neeson and the movie acts like Liam was the bad guy all along
imagine Agent47 killed all the people except his target and then decide to called it a day
Poor comparison. Mills wasn't going for revenge, he was trying to rescue his daughter.
'Taken 2' dealt with revenge themes but it was forgettable flick.
Honestly, if they pulled off this "revenge is bad" theme in a nuanced way, this could've been the Citizen Kane of video games. Part of me admires them for going for the big haul. Too bad video game developers have the storytelling ability as a down syndrome Michael Bay
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The Last of Us Part 3: Hundreds of characters are seeking revenge for every person that Ellie and Abby have killed.
Then its theme is Kill no good unless you big hulk bolk girl mmmm hulk bolk girl
You just gotta wait another 8 years or so
HalJo Dav The Last of Us Part 3: The Search For Schlock.
And then don’t kill either of them
jorryn parks nah how about they cut off their own fingers
The last of us seriously did not need a sequel
They *could* have made a sequel that was *actually* excellent. Sadly, they didn't.
Still mad about how this game turned out. Does anyone else remember Henry and Sam. They had 1.5 hours in the first game and their deaths were DEVASTATING!!! It feels like whoever wrote these new characters had never made a connection with another person before! Not to mention the lazy guilt trips, and even lazier attempts to make Ellie the bad guy.
Ellie: kills basically everyone is about to kill main antagonist
Ellie: woah I was about to lose my cool I'm sorry
Kills a pregnant woman on top of that
Fl0pped _ can kill a pregnant woman but not the person that she killed because of
She kills a pregnant woman?????
Ballbo Bagskins yea
@@f10pped36 2 for the price of one
The way that they killed off Joel is like if Obi-Wan got killed at Mos Eisley by those thugs
Daniel don't know who mos ebiley was. Which mean you are on point.
Daniel Or if the younglings killed Anakin
Or like Barristan Selmy would be killed by some random thugs. absolutely ridiculous. (fuck d&d btw)
henri kung he's the alien that han solo kills in the bar
@@henrikung4489 Mos Eisley is a place not a person
I genuinely still can’t understand why people think this game is great like that boggles mind. The storyline is so botched. Never have I hated a game more.
If they created a bond in the intro with Abby and us to the same degree that we had with Joel when his daughter died, the game would be so different but they were lazy asf
@@seansimmons6932 yeah exactly
dude fr im stuck on the stan side of the internet for this game and it’s insane the way people defend it, it really isn’t that good and it drives me nuts. it’s like a 6/10 for me at its best.
One thing I've realized this game does awfully but the first game does well is handling your companions. Joel and Ellie are basically at each other's throats throughout most of the first game, they didn't want to be around each other longer than they needed to, mainly Joel pushing Ellie away, but they slowly form a bond with moments showing them coming around to one another. In this game, everyone's just buddy buddy from the start, Dina and Ellie get along great, Abby and these people she just met, like Oscar just flat out saying "I like you Abby". This doesn't automatically make for a good friendship, people just praising each other and being playful nonstop. Relationships that require work just have such better pay offs than the ones that are fine from the start.
The guy's name is Manny, not Oscar. I guess it goes to show how ridiculously bad they handled the characters further proving your point.
In The Last Of Us Part II, there is an interrogation within the interrogation, there is even an interrogation within it. The sentence "revenge is bad" is the simplest and most inadequate expression of everything... There are many different terms and different themes in The Last Of Us Part II. You and people like you haven't progressed and thought deeply about questioning. In fact, it's not exactly objective to say this. What needs to be said is that this story was told using the "mirror technique" in literature, so that conscious gaps and evaluations in the story were left to the person who experienced it. For this reason, everyone decides and evaluates according to their own lifestyle, feelings, ideas and ideology...
Interrogative sentences such as "how did you like this" or "how did you dislike this" are extremely silly and illogical. Or to say "This story is simple" is too baseless and absurd.
For me, this story is an extremely deep, questioning, thought-provoking and unique experience.
Conscience is a personality trait in which a person measures what he/she does or will do about his/her intentions or behaviors based on his/her own moral values. Although some people use the term "public conscience" today, there is no such concept in religious and mystical fields, and the concept of conscience has always been used in the sense of individual conscience in these areas. According to philosophy, conscience, which stimulates one's inner peace or inner distress, is not a concept, but a person's ability. The metaphysical understanding in philosophy claims that this ability is innate, while the secular understanding claims that it is the result of man's manners and knowledge determined by the social conditions he is in. According to Friedrich Nietzsche, conscience is a concept that developed depending on the morality of debt and was invented for the purpose of "raising an animal that can promise".
To sum it up, Abby has a conscience and an effort to be good. This effort isn't just because of what he did to Joel. Because Abby and all humans are too inclined to resort to the act of killing with their peaked momento mori instinct. To Abby, Joel is just like any other person she's killed. What is different for Abby about Joel is that this act of killing by Abby herself was not done with momento mori instinct, and Joel is an irreversible monster who killed Abby's father. So Abby dehumanizes someone she doesn't like, as everyone does.
In short, Abby feels guilty about her past and tries to be good because of her past. Abby's effort to be kind of baptized isn't just about Joel. Abby's baptism effort is all about her past...
Flashbacks determine the character's inner-world and the character purpose and the character motivation. In this linear story, flashbacks progress like a mole from the bottom of this story to the finale, creating an abstract, psychological, inner-worldly and philosophical sub-text/sub-narrative, and this sub-text/sub-narrative realistically organicizes and naturalizes the character logics. Thus, this sub-text/sub-narrative humanizes all the characters.
So flashbacks tell an additional-story that sheds light on the past and creates the inner-world of the characters, and this additional-story is enormous.
Also, Mel isn't the kind of person who cares about her pregnancy or her baby. Mel has a headstrong and maverick character. Mel is not a person with maternal feelings. And I'm not sure, but Mel is just a self-centered person.
All that's left of what you said is just some kind of cheap attempt to find water in the desert, and what you're saying doesn't even make sense.
If you can make a firm and unbreakable judgment without reading what I say, if you describe me as a bigoted defender, and if you have the right to criticize me even though there is not a single argument in what you say, then I can say how useless, illogical, meaningless and empty you are. And it's okay for me to say that! I am not making a defense. I'm just stating my own thoughts and feelings. Defense is not without reason, it is made against an action. This defensive action is the second action, the first action is the offensive.
You call me a defender because you're on the offensive and you personify things! But you are wrong. No matter how much you attack, it's none of my business, my goal is to have original, strong ideas and feelings! Unfortunately you cannot do this. Don't comment or bother me again. You are disrespecting me for not reading my comment and you are absolutely wrong!
To measure the value of an idea, you need to be tolerant of other ideas, other points of view, other feelings and differences. And you also have to produce creativity and difference. I justified what I said and laid a foundation for everything I said. If you characterize my expression as worthless, I'm just saying how useless and empty you are.
the destructive and toxic people on social media always see themselves as the smart or final judge and they have no respect for anyone.
That's why I say "you don't know a thing about ideas and differences".
You don't understand ideas and differences, you don't know ideas and differences, you don't generate idea and difference...
You... ehhh never mind! It's up to you...
Enough is enough!
Don't comment me, don't bother me...
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There is no need to condition yourself to a monotonous discussion when faced with different ideas. Sometimes being quiet is also important.
The Last Of Us Part II is the most unique, philosophic and innovative masterpiece. The Last Of Us Part II is about dehumanized, humanized, othering, tribalism, utilitarianism, dystopia of Leviathan the book, secular humanizm, meta-ethics, naturalism, memento mori, empathy, conscience, remorse, justice concept, forgiveness, rebirth, grudge, hatred, inner-world of psychology and moral relativism. That's why The Last Of Us Part II is perfect, unique, artistically innovative and emotional roller coaster masterpiece🤍🖤
Both protagonists are like real human. They have logical and emotional intelligence, behavior and purpose. The innovative protagonists are told with an understanding of naturalism and human instinct. And in this post-apocalyptic universe, they act with the ultimate memento mori instinct. There is always violence in everything. There is no extra or exaggerated violence in The Last Of Us Part II. The Last Of Us Part II described the violence in everything clearly and realistically with the understanding of naturalism. While this violence is entertainment in other games, it is a philosophical concept that needs to be pondered in The Last Of Us Part II. Because the gameplay in The Last Of Us Part II provides a brainstorming about both the humanity of the people killed and the survivors, and the humane and emotional behaviors and selves of all the characters...
Depression exists in the inner world of these characters, and we experience this personal depression firsthand. This depression is tremendous and impeccably handled in terms of character psychology and character portrayal. This depression is very well written.
There are many causes: Tribalism, the momento mori instinct, the dark side of bonding with love, the disappearance of official authority and therefore the formation of natural laws (the dystopia of the Leviathan book), the ancestral survival instincts of humans, the dark side of dehumanized, othering, utilitarian philosophy, primitive blood feuds...
Violence and destruction are always inside people. Humans are beings who are ready to forget and do anything to keep themselves alive. Even today, there is extraordinary destruction, hatred and indifference. The fact that this does not grow is the official constitutions that the states have put. This subject is again of interest to Thomas Hobbes because he talks about it in his book Leviathan...
"Man is a wolf to man."
Thomas Hobbes
This saying proves that there is a great suppressed violence and destruction in people.
That's why The Last Of Us Part II blends naturalism and human nature so well.
There is no case of creating realism with violence, nor is there a case of creating shock value with violence.
The scriptwriter's aim is certainly not to break expectations and be controversial! The author does not defend or explain sentences such as violence is bad, revenge is not good, people use violence or revenge creates an inextricable cycle.The author reveals themes and ideologies that are increasingly prominent in human beings in a post-apocalyptic universe, in a universe where official authority and official laws disappear and the laws of nature prevail, criticizes them and teaches how to fight them.
"It is easy to be good, the hard thing is to be just. The most perfect justice is conscience."
Victor Hugo
This is where moral duty comes into play because not everyone has the same morals and naturally the same conscience. This difference creates destruction and caos.
The screenwriter brings a critique of dehumanized, humanized, othering, tribalism, utilitarianism, memento mori, moral justice and post apocalyptic concepts. And this Neil Druckmann's critique is unique and enormous.
Big is not always good. The world is already covered with grays, different voices, different tones, different sizes, different thoughts, different emotions, different ideologies and naturally differences.
The love one has for oneself is a beautiful thing if one can also do self-criticism. The important thing is to create one's own style, ideas, feelings and perspective on life by embracing oneself and what is happening.
First we need to learn what empathy is.
According to the studies on babies, although our innate ability to empathize is high, it is a skill that can be lost quickly under appropriate conditions. The way to gain empathy later on is to ask open-ended questions, act slowly and make comments, avoid making quick judgments, try to understand our own behavior and thoughts, learn from the past, let things flow, and set certain limits for ourselves and the behavior of others.
This ability, which increases cooperation, productivity, prosperity and happiness when used for positive purposes, takes the form of manipulation when used for bad purposes.
Empathy is when a person puts himself in the other person's shoes and understands his/her feelings and thoughts correctly. Human relationships develop through empathy. Fights between people decrease and disappear over time. On the other hand, family empathy is putting the person in front of the family members in their place. In this way, individuals know how the other person will react and act accordingly.
There are three rules for the full realization of empathy;
a) Putting himself in the place of the other person and looking at the events from his/her point of view,
b) To understand and feel the feelings and thoughts of the other person correctly,
c) Expressing that you understand that person.
empathy in parapsychology,
Empathy is the name given in Parapsychology to the phenomenon of the transmission of emotions and spiritual states between two living beings, who are spiritually closely connected to each other, and to this psychic contact. Although it is considered a telepathic form of communication by some, its difference from telepathy, as can be understood from its definition, is the absence of thought and image transfer in empathy.
For example, it has been observed that when one of the two empaths suffers from a bodily ailment, the other empath also experiences pain in the same part of their body. Observation and experiments have shown that the state of empathy occurs more frequently between mother and children and between twins. Experiments on animals show that empathy occurs especially between parents and offspring. For example, in one experiment, a mother rabbit who was taken miles away from her cubs screamed bitterly when her cubs were killed.
“Empathy makes a good person a better person because good people can't stand suffering, and empathy makes that pain more pronounced.
But if a sadistic person is made empathetic, he/she will only become a happier sadist."
Paul Bloom / Against Empathy
Empathy also has a dark side. Empathy doesn't show the truth because people are different because of moral relativism, tribalism, momento mori instinct and psychology science.
Empathy is created not by showing the differences between the two parties, but by showing the similarities between the two parties. Because similarity creates semantics. But tribalism and psychology bring out the dark side of empathy.
There are many similarities and parallel repercussions between Ellie and Abby in Part I and Part II. Abby saves two children while Ellie has a cheerful and friendly snowball fight with the children. While Abby plays with the dog, Ellie sincerely loves Gustavo Santaolalla's dog. Humans and Abby and Ellie are gray and truly human. There are thousands more similarities and parallel reflections between Ellie and Abby. I don't want to make a fuss!
Also, the fighting part in the theater is very successful because empathy and semantic are first formed by recognizing and understanding the similarities. For this, first of all, it is necessary to understand what the simile is, because it is the imitator who creates the like. Because empathy is breaking prejudices and finding similarity in the other community or on the other side.
None of the puzzle pieces here are in your hands. Everyone places all the pieces according to their own ideology and morals. That's the beauty of it.
That's the beauty of The Last Of Us Part II. The Last Of Us Part II is an absolutely unique and innovative artistic masterpiece.
Abby also has a psychological and inner-world goal and rising action, which is more powerful and creative than Ellie's.
Story and narrative 9.5/10
Accessibility and settings 10/10
Gameplay 9/10
Design Systems (Audio, level, environment, space, technical, graphic, mechanical, AI, music, atmosphere, texture, animation, input log, ludology...) 10/10...
You are very very wrong, shallow, monotonous, one-sided and unfounded🤦😩😪
did you literally like your own comment
The "revenge is bad" angle doesn't even work with this game because the person who gets revenge gets to walk away with a loved one, whereas the person who gives up on it loses everything.
THANK YOU.
Yup so they just goofed on themselves
yea, people hate the ending because Ellie wanted revenge and could have gotten it, but Abby took SOOOO MUCH of Ellie. Abby went out of her way to go and try and kill Ellie, Dina, Jesse and Tommy, almost kills Dina, kills Jesse, then has the fucking nerve to say "Dont let me ever see you again" bro wtf???????
Holy snap that's true, i didn't even make that connection, the entire message of the game is thrown in the garbage at the end because of that, jesus christ what a horrible narrative
man revenge worked like charm for abby, she murdered joe and ellie even saves her after thats just stupid
Imagine if Clementine went to confront Lilly about kidnapping her friends from the boarding school but when she got to Lilly’s boat after aggressively and brutally murdering every single associate of Lilly, she said “Nah it’s cool you can have them.” And left.
One thing I couldn’t help thinking through this ENTIRE game was how much better and logical Clementine feels as female protagonists.
I don't get this reference, explain
@@priyanshu1667 telltale walking dead, and say please next time
That's the thing. Clementine sneaks into the boat, finds out her friends are captured and even tortured, and you still can choose whether to kill Lily or not; all while having its own consequences based on your choice. Honestly the last of us 2 was just a depressing unfocused waste of time narratively.
Czar17 _ her development was awesome, since season 1 and season 4 the plot was all connected till the very end. plus other character development such as kenny, aj and lilly was really great and its what really made me like twdg
Joel's watch only had one hole in the face fir part one, and now that he has a second daughter, it's reflected by a second hole in the watch his first daughter gifted him. I love it
That’s a far reach
@@joshwagner5816how
my biggest problem with this game is that treat you like a fucking child with the story and it's themes. I get it bro, I'm supposed to feel bad for playing ellie and killing a dog. You don't have to hold my hand and tell it to me like i just got out my 4th grade english class
"Did they not understand what made the first game good" - PewDiePie
I avoided those because I thought the game was going to be a hard watch. Video and time stamp?
@@MagnumBarrage probably during a stream tbh
It happens so often that video game devs (or rather, upper management) just don't understand what made the first game great when they make the second one, but this just takes the entire thing to another level.
"does PewDiePie not understand he isn't good" -most of CZcams
@@kevindavidson8281👈🏽 The minority of CZcams.
Imagine John Wick killing everyone except for the guy that killed his dog
I was literally about to comment this 😂
This!!!!! Lmao
Just because John Wick sees the face of his dog.
Don't forget the person who killed his dog becomes a main character and beats the crap out of John Wick leaving him to miserably accept it and let it go.
Yeah. That's like traveling across the country to save humanity and then not doing that at the very last minute because you have daughter issues.
I was tired of big streamers just backing up tlou2 to go with the flow, I'm happy after seeing this moist meter, charlie never disappoints
Uh I think that hating on the game is going with the flow
No streamers were praising it tf u on about
@@booker229its really not
@@zaloon148 Its one of the most passionately hated games ever made lol its not like this is a hot take
@@booker229 doesn't mean hating it is going with the flow. People who defend it usually only defend it cuz other people do
I'm surprised Charlie didn't mentioned the unwanted sex scene on this game
He probably wanted to spare us
Bro, both of those came out of fucking nowhere. Clickers could have seen those coming better than me.
It felt so ingenuine. Like they definitely just wanted to be edgy.
Omds abby had pecs that would make arnold jealous lol
TLoU Part 3: Some random NPC goes full John Wick trying to avenge his dog ellie killed
You basically spoiled the whole plot for Part 3, shame on you! 😁
@@Sunrise1781 plot twist, we play as the dog's now-adult puppy going on a revenge-murder spree and starting a civil war between feral cats and badgers along the way as we sniff and hunt for Ellie.
Honestly, that would be better story as long as they do it right. That could be a cool new protagonist for an entirely new cast. If they completely start over in III, that would actually be a decent buy. lol
Plot twist: We are going to play as a transgender furry in The Last of us Part 3
@Possibly your mom who knows...
Imagine if one of the random Storm Troopers that Han Solo killed had a kid that wanted revenge. This is tlou2
Arent the storm troopers clones?
@@chiragshetty02 No. While there was a minority of clones in the Galactic Empire's forces, they were largely phased out after the Clone Wars.
It would have still made more sense than the Disney canon.
That would still make a better story than this mess of a game, especially with Dave Filoni directing it! Also, there is kind of a story like that in the Star Wars universe. A kid's father is killed during a crossfire with rebels and The Empire. The kid grows up, joins the Empire then kills a man after the man kills his commander, then is shot by the little girls father. The cycle will then continue and brings the stormtrooper peace and a smile when he looks at the little girl.
Or if they were pregnant
Defending the one you love is more impactful than getting revenge for the one that you loved who died so needlessly and stupid.
The bar scene was actually part of a story trailer promotion they’d dropped before
Imagine if you start the game playing as Abby, get to know her and her allies. Play hours into this revenge plot only to realize right at the end that your target is Joel, then it swaps to Ellie.
That would have been better tbh, but it still would've pissed people off as you wouldn't be playing as Joel/Ellie
or something like that fight between A2 and 9S where its up to you to decide
J gw it would be a bit of a MGS2 situation yes but so long as you still play the majority of the game as Ellie I think people would look at such a decision favourably overall. Doesn’t save this game but just shows that reshuffling certain ideas could improve it.
They could have literally cut the game in half and flipped the order and this game would have felt 1000 times better
This idea would be 10x better.
Imagine if the Arizona ranger with the big iron on his hip let Texas Red go
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That would have make me wish for a nuclear winter
That would be the darkest timeline
Well ain't that a kick in the head! How lucky can one guy be?
I killed her and she killed me
He sounds reaally passionate about this one
One of the best rants I have heard in a long time. And well deserved.
After I watched season 1 of the last of us without playing the games, I couldn't believe what I saw and knew I had to play them. The first game was incredible. This game was the opposite. Thank you for this rant, even though I'm almost 3 years late.
I did same and thought Joel was the main protagonist and then this game biffed lke a mf
@@lickinginprocess That wasn’t even my main problem with the second game. It’s just that no one else in the story was even close to as interesting as Joel was. And no two characters had the same dynamic as Joel and Ellie. Also the first game had the stakes of all of humanity on the line, this shit just had one human wanting to kill another human and many other humans dying but not the main humans.
I was in the same boat but loved the game. It's insane how divided fans are on it, seems like half the players hate it and half don't. Idk what that says about it, maybe that their choices were very bold..
Last of us 2 is personally my favorite game, say what u will about the story but the adrenaline and excitement out of the gameplay makes it a top tier for me
Did you want the same exact game? Sure, Joel and Ellie’s relationship is the best in the first game but you could’ve guessed from Joel’s lies that Ellie would eventually figure out the truth. Naughty Dog already made one of the best games ever and you can’t just do a copy of the storyline with some new characters and expect to call it a game. Say what you want, but you gotta praise the balls they had to do this
Imagine the Punisher finding the people that murdered his family only to sit down and eat a picnic with them.
You know, he probably could've. With some lengthy but dry dialogue about the corporate America and that the fish rots from the head. And then he would've cut their heads off with butter knife.
@@shmekelfreckles8157 I'd read it.
It's like John Wick finding the guy who killed his dog and not killing him.
It's like Arya finding the Freys, who were behind The Red Wedding, and letting them live.
It's like Eragon finally meeting the Ra'zacs, who killed Brom and Garrow, and not killing them.
It's like Vegeta defeating Frieza, the man responsible for the extinction of his entire race, and not killing him.
Someone write down even more examples of why Ellie sparing Abby was fucking stupid
@@JollyWanker Revenge stories ending in forgiveness or at least letting go of one's hatred is a fairly common trope and not inherently bad. See the Revenant for a somewhat recent and well received depiction of this. Leo lets go of his hate and chooses not to kill the man who murdered his son and left him for dead; he chooses instead to let nature decide the fate of people after a brutal fight, not unlike what happened here. Citing stories wherein the protagonist takes revenge instead of choosing to forgive doesn't further your argument that it's stupid; it just makes you seem young and not well read.
It's like John confronting Micah after he killed Arthur and then just tipping his hat and walking away.
I don't think I've EVER heard so much heat and anger in Charlie's voice.
i bet you never watched his rainbow six siege livestream clip while he screams at toxic players
@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 he didnt scream. He just said he was a inbred loser lmao
55% yikes
Charlie was famous for not ever having an emotion, so you know this game is a betrayal.
catchifyoucan232 Ever seen His Cockroach Battle cry?
Joel in #1: must not tell anyone who I am trust no one
Joel in #2: hello group of strangers it's me Joel bash my head in with a golf club
Lmao Joel had an aversion to names in the first game because he feared attachment, not as a survival tactic.
55% is extremely generous
A Korean streamer broke his copy of the game after jole getting golfed scene
Then played Mario kart
Those PlayStation disks are the weirdest things ever- you can bend them and they won’t be damaged at all but once you put a pair of scissors to them they turn into butter. I learned this from purchasing the last of us 2
What's worse was that apparently his dad had recently passed away so I bet that was tough 😞
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the story ended in the 1st game, this game doesnt exist
SlyFox yeah what is the last of us 2??
a sequel? doesnt seem to exist anywhere.
Last of Us 2? That combination of words doesn't exist
@@bezglavigekoofficial7649 Haha dude if only a second game would come out that would probably be a blast to play joel again. But nothing has been announced for now
I think the story could’ve kept going but the way they did it was disgusting
"The only thing we learn about Manny is that he loves his dog and he says 'Pendejo' a lot-" absolutely KILLED me
The wonderful thing about being a human is that you can make various independent decisions.
Like agreeing in silence that last of us ended with the 1st part.
Damn right
can i just also mention how ellie doesn’t even act like ellie. wheres her personality ? wheres her smart mouth and sarcastic remarks bro i dont know who the “ellie” in this game is.
A bigot sandwich
b-b-but shes a lesbian that is a personality trait
It's called "growing up"
@@keineken_3281 It's called shitty development
@@keineken_3281 pretty sure growing up doesnt make you a cardboard box of a person
Imagine if Thanos got all the infinity stones just to not snap his fingers.
What if Thanos did snap his fingers but there was no fixing anything. Haha
Jaime Ruiz Neither if he not snap. Haha
Yeah it be more like thanos kills everyone and the avengers are like “no revenge is bad”
Imagine him being like "Not worth it"
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It will be pretty difficult for the developers to create Last of Us 3 since most of the memorable characters lost their charm. Sad to see how the story telling made for the Last of Us 2 ruined another potential gem
the only way i could see it happening is if they decide to do a prequel with Joel prior to meeting ellie. like twenty or fifteen years in the past. or it could take place over a decade or so. i dont know. id rather not have it at all. they need to put good things to rest.
i actually loved lev, lev was honestly one of the only aspects of the entire game i liked
of course you did
@@salmaofinlandes6793 thats crazy💀💀
Imagine playing hitman and killing all the NPC's but leaving the target and calling it a day.
You kill everybody but yamizaki and soders, then soders attacks you with his golf club after his heart surgery while yamizaki spits on you
Did you see the angry joe video too.
Ah yes callmekevin playing hitman
When Jessie died I didn’t even know he died until like 20 minutes after
You probably blinked.
They showed up his face when he died man
I swear to god I literally just played through the part where he dies like 30 minutes ago and I swear i forgot that Jesse even fucking existed until I read this comment.
Tarık Kum when he got shot I thought he was gonna get up and get into cover (because it looks likes he gets shot in the shoulder). Then a couple seconds later I said “wait is Jesse dead?”
I've nearly finished the game and now you've got me asking "who on Earth is Jessie?"...
*edit: oh the Asian fella