Ford Mustang Mach-E - How A Seat Works: By Sandy Munro
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Sandy and the Munro Live Team get into the anatomy of an 8-way seat.
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E E8: How A Seat Works
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These videos are hugely entertaining and educational at the same time. A relevant encyclopedia in Mr. Munro’s head. Please carry on.
Sandy: This is a good bolt
Some Ford engineer somewhere: BOOM! I’M THE MAN!
I bet he already run home to put it into CV
haha, I am the man!
These are the most descriptive videos of any teardown so far.
Really appreciate the explanations.
WOW, this is an awesome insight into the design and assembly of a modern (electric) Ford automobile.
Thank you for making this information free to the public.
Glad you liked it!
I kind of knew how a six-way seat worked, but it's great to see it in action. Lots of parts! Four motors+4 reducers+fasteners+covers+cushions and linkages. It's no wonder they cost hundreds or thousands of dollars each.
Yeah those hog rings were originally to hold tags to a hogs ear, but they’re handy for lots of other stuff too!
I thought they were used on the snout so the hog wouldn't root the ground so much.
The term "earmarks" also came from pigdom.
Me: I'll be so productive when I get to work today
Me when I get to work: Oh look, Sandy is explaining power seats in cars......
When the vid shows up on my feed, I'm like a kid in a candy store... oh oh oh... me... me... me...
Unfortunately you can't watch videos at work.
@@Anonymous-sb9rr IT guy here. I control the filters ;)
@@Kuth70 I'm not talking about filters. Technically you can do anything on your phone with a mobile connection. It's just that you don't use working hours for leisure, it's not done.
@@Anonymous-sb9rr Mom? Is that you? When did you get a youtube account?
And to think I spent 30+ years as a very successful dealership Parts & Service manager and find myself looking at fasteners in a whole new way.
Hmm, seems like only Sandy could make a seat interesting. I had no idea how all of that comes together. Thanks Sandy.
You bet!
I am very proud to see my work being discussed here. I was responsible for the Mech E front seat structure development between 2017-2019. The entire seat team for the Mech E maybe less than 10 people. Again, I am very proud to be part of the revolunation product.
I think I realized why I enjoy these videos so much. They remind me of when my father would teach me about cars. Good memories, thanks!
Brings me to the one and only question: "Can you clip those seats in without using threaded fasteners?" xD
When you release plaid review you"ll get a million views again.
hope so!
@@MunroLive "Hope" not necessary... it WILL happen! This material is gold-dust, and we are really glad that Sandy eventually agreed to a youtube channel.
Very few real experts who are100% honest and reliable. We cherish this material and understand its relevance and importance.
Very true!
I love these videos! Who else would ever take the time to explain all of this? Nobody! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Shoot at this rate, you will have 200k subs in the next few days. Great work Sandy, and team.
Thanks Andrew
Smart design on the backrest adjustment.
Two planetary gearsets are installed between the upper and lower frame on each side. The motor drives the shaft, which is connected to the sun gears. The ring gears are fixed to the lower frame, and the upper frame to the planet gear carrier
Yep. Beauty of that design is good use of necessary reduction gear to accomplish seamless connection to the left and right side. 3 function in one design. Clever.
Never thought a seat could be so interesting. Gives me all kind of ideas for the uses of the little motors and reducers. Cheers.
Back in the 70's the RR Silver Shadow seat was one motor with one worm gear shaft. The various seat functions had clutches (three in this case) that would engage to the shaft to the requested position. Wasn't bad other than the controls were points so in the dark you can see the sparks until corrosion of the points took over.
I was introduced to hog rings when I decided to DIY my leather seats after enough youtube research. Pretty satisfying to clamp those hog rings down - ain't going nowhere after they're clamped in place. and.. no screw fasteners, Sandy!🤣
Thank you Sandy - at the weekend I took off the interior door panel to replace some broken speakers in my Ford Fiesta. I normally draw the line at lights and screen washer when it comes to car maintenance, but thanks to your videos (and another one I found showing how to take the panel off for my model), I was able to get the panel off without much difficulty. These videos show that there's no "magic" to building a car, and that if you think about it logically you can work out how most models of car were put together. 👍
I appreciate the inner workings of an automobile even more.
What a great video. I never really thought about how they worked. Now I know.
Thanks for watching!
Seat without covers reminded me of terminators. I guess first terminators will be made at auto factories
Sandy's videos always keep me on the edge of my seat!
Har, har.
I think these Mach-E videos are the most interesting video vs any other cars you covered
Tesla, even more interesting! I’m wondering if Tesla is still at the top, according to Sandy, based on what we know so far about the Mach e.?
No one will compete with Tesla without a charging infrastructure.
@@GM-qh2ki totally agree! I was wondering more about actual technology and quality in the two cars.
@@lsol yes Sandy has said very recently that Tesla are still vastly in the lead, the most recent example I saw i think was E for Electric interview with him
@@GM-qh2ki Your welcome!
"Ford Buys Depot-Charging Network Startup Electriphi" stansberryresearch.com/articles/ford-buys-depot-charging-network-startup-electriphi-2
Imagine Sandy was your uncle or grandad. I’d love to so see his workshop! You’ve built a great team and company. Well done Sandy.
This is interesting. I personally prefer manual seats as all these motors and controllers are just that many more expensive things to break. Thanks for sharing!
yA, True but then this gives the car a chance to see you, know how you are, where you are sitting and adjust the seat automatically for you. At least that is what Tesla does.
But they have came so far in reliability and quietness.
I agree, but a motor and lead screw, or motor and worm drive, has the advantage of combining positioning and locking, so there is some simplicity there.
@@DouglasEKnappMSAOM I guess it makes sense for a family or rental car. But for a single person who will get the seat positioned the first week of driving and never touch those controls again, its alot of expensive parts that never get used.
Roverdad - true but today small electric motors are extremely RELIABLE.
look at RC cars and Drones.
If I wasn't interested in fasteners I wouldn't be here 👍 Nice work team.
When you do the teardown of the Plaid, please go over every detail possible! We would like to know everything about it!
you got it!
@@MunroLive Including the seats!
Meh, it's just another Tesla. The battery pack and new motor might be interesting, and if there are any major architectural changes, but other than that, whatever. Even the motor is just basically the model 3 motor beefed up, I hear. The next interesting thing from Tesla will be the Cybertruck.
Great stuff. I don't have a Ford but I suspect my seat works in a somewhat similar manner, and it's fantastic to learn about some of the inner workings of these vehicles.
Thank you for knowing that your car has a similar setup and not trying to make it a bad thing because its a Ford, like all the other Tesla fanboys.
That’s so cool! Thanks Sandy and the Munro Live team!!!
Thanks!!! We love exclamation marks!!!!
I want Sandy in the passenger seat of the Plaid for a full Cheetah launch down a drag strip with the camera pointed at his face! 🤣🤣 👍👍🙏🙏
Stunning the backs dont break more often seeing what its made of.
It all looks incredibly cheap and cost reduced to the point of might last 3 years.
Once again, I actually learn something from a video. I'm hoping to get into the automotive field soon, so these videos are just incredibly interesting and informative. Thanks, Sandy!
Great to hear!
Come and join Ford!
Love it! I predict that the future Cybertruck tear down will be a the #1 watched Monroe and Associates YT video. Every Big 3 designer and engineer will be watching and taking notes.
As an MM-e owner, I really appreciate these tear-down videos. Thank you Sandy.
You are so welcome!
Thank you for purchasing the MM-E!
Would love to see seat breakdowns of Tesla vehicles, especially CT when available.
Sandy & Co.; you make things I never dreamt I'd be interested in, fascinating. Thanks 👍😊
thank you and posted to reddit
Thanks Larry!
What community??
@@gmarinelarena8675 r/teslainvestorsclub
The way he tossed the sit bag was really funny, I don't know why haha. 1:40.
I love these videos. One of my favorite CZcams channels by a mile!
🤗 THANKS FOR SHARING …1st time for a lot of us and I am TOTALLY with you on BOLTS 🤗 and I ALWAYS HAVE APPRECIATED THE POWER SEATS FOR LONGER JOURNEYS 🤗🤗🤗 and we will keep tipping the cashiers and NOT ONE PERSON HAS COMPLAINED YET 😂😍😍😍
I learn more in one teardown video by Sandy than an entire season of How It's Made. Grateful for the educational content 😊
I have been loving every video since the first. We get so much more than just a teardown. We also get the wisdom and little details you have accumulated.
Don't be so timid about reminding people to like and subscribe. We really don't mind, and sometimes we do forget to hit the like button.
Learning/seeing the basics is always a good idea.
Hog rings were (are?) larger than what is used in car upholstery. The were put in pig's noses to keep them from rooting under fences. Made digging with the snout uncomfortable.
Both hog and upholstery rings are 'open circles' with sharp ends. They are closed with a set of special pliers that have grooves in the pincher ends to hold the rings while they are being closed.
Hog rings go way back in the car industry. I have a set of hog ring pliers I bought in the early 1960s to work on my 1951 Ford (red convertible).
Can hardly believe how simple and easy to make these seats are -- not too worry, just out source it.
atarting around 1980s Saab driver seat all manual adjustments - the most comfotable seat for decades. Perhaps it still is ---my Saab 900 1989. 6'2" and seem perfect to me.
Sandy and Crew, Can you do a video on the world of fasteners? A lot of people in the comments were saying they prefer all the metal screws because when they take this stuff apart the plastic fasteners break and are never replaced post-production. What does the future of fasteners look like, what about the best types of plastics to prevent breakage? Do they use fiberglass or high-tech plastics in non-metal fasteners yet? Would love to see a Munro documentary of fasteners with a focus on future fastener products to quell all the nay-sayers and educate us all.
Episode about seats and Sandy talks about fasteners for 1/3 of it!
"and that's the seat back."
*Tosses it unceremoniously to the side*
"This is the part of the job I hate" ... Proceeds to flick dead animal through mini basketball ring into bin
Sandy - thank you for sharing your engineering experience!
Thats cool. many thanks for the content! never thought that the motors are so small and powerful.
What I really want is to see Sandy get his plane into mass production that would be worth buying as many stocks as I could get of that venture.
I'm starting to live for these videos, checking in for new ones several times a week!
Very cool breakdown, Sandy! It's definitely easier to see how the mechanism works with the cushions removed and everything is exposed. Thanks as always for making these detailed videos!
Thanks for watching!
Very interesting!
Seat Motor: "Hey, can you give me a hand moving the seat?
Slave Rod: "What did your last slave die of?"
Awesome! Very interesting construction all tucked away when wrapped. 👍🏻
I'm ok with my manually adjustable sports seats. There's a toggle switch only for bolster support which I believe is an air bladder as you mentioned.
Btw, my wife called my a half-dog yesterday. Or something like that.
This was fascinating to us non experts. 👍
Thank-you for the video's.
Just love them 👍
Furthermore a Heavy Duty Thanks to Munro for letting me buy the complete documentation for the BMW I3 for 10 $ ❤️
Our pleasure!
Question for Sandy: What's your view on motors (and solenoids) going into things that traditionally were never electrically controlled? Some recent examples: electrically controlled glovebox locks and motorized door handles. Jaguar was able to do mechanical flush mount door handles on their F-Type which I think would be far more reliable than anything electrically actuated.
Come live Munro for questions and answers session.
Interesting. What I’d like to have seen in addition is comments on what’s best practice and different ways to improve cost reduction performance comfort and safety
Ford makes the best seats with materials that last.
Shoulder! Loctite! Half-dog! Torx head! That's the kind of bolt you can take home and introduce to your parents
Sandy: we call it lombar
Tesla: we call it ...
Need ChrisFix to do a video on how to re-assemble a Mustang Mach-E in ten minutes!
‘This is a good bolt’
-Sandy
Make some shirts 🤣🤣
Thank you
Another great video.
I'm currently an engineering student interning at one of the Big 3. Can you offer any advice for someone interested in getting into the auto industry? I worked as a master technician for 10 years but I still learn a lot from your videos. Thanks!
For the amount of times a seat is adjusted over its life, all those controls and motors seem a huge waste! The price of convenience.
In a Tesla, it is used every day : Easy entry mode ;)
It makes much more sense when you share your car with your spouse it can save your marriage. I know in the US everyone and their child has their own car though.
exactly
i adjusted my driver's seat once, the day I picked it up
who shares a vehicle anymore? whatta joke.
Takes me about a week to get a seat and mirrors dialed in and then it stays there. But yeah, families and rentals need them more than single people.
@@guillaumest1 Tesla decided that it is cheaper to offer everyone the same seats instead of having vastly different components come into the line. I am 100% positive they found a way to make that a functional decision afterwords. That is becoming a standard approach in the industry as "base models" have basically disappeared in favor of streamlining assembly.
Amazing video, I'll wait the review of technology and manifacturing process for the seat frame. If you are going to do it... Thank Sandy
Sandy, I'm mfg eng. in Portland, OR. I work for Benchmade Knife company. Love what you are doing. Enjoy every episode. Keep up the good work.
Thanks John
You make good stuff. I have a Benchmade Infidel letter opener. Top quality stuff. I did put some heat shrink tubing over the belt clip to protect the steering wheel of my car. You might look into something like that or a dip. Makes it a bit less conspicuous as well.
@@Miata822 Hi Bill, yep clip protector would be a good feature. You might have to stick with your design for now. We should do more work on our clip.
Cool to see all the actuators for moving the seat. An 18 way power seat must be quite packed with little motors and reduction gears, and I can't even imagine what a 24 or 30 way seat looks like inside. Was there a weight sensor in there somewhere?
weight sensor only on passenger seat.
Really interesting!! Thanks
subbed, cant wait to see the plaid tear down and hear sandys thoughts on a modern top tier tesla
My old car had some really heavy seats, I think at least 80kg each, if not double. Not really sure if there's a market for that or just marketing decided to add everything: standard 3-way, bucket tilt, headrest up/down, knee support fore/aft, lumbar in/out, lumbar up/down, heating, ventilation.
Just asking if there is a better way do design this than add a bunch of motors and reducers. Was thinking that maybe air/liquid bladders with a single pump should make it lighter. Personally I would get rid of the complexity, but perhaps there's a market for this.
Same cheap adjustments as the Model S: no way to reduce the height of the front of the seat independently or adjust the angle of the seat squab. Probably acceptable on a mid range car but not at 6 figures. Good explanations. Shows where the costs are saved.
awesome content, thanks !
Very interesting..rumor has it Tesla filed a patent for a new efficient heat and cooled internal seats systems. Hopefully they will implement the patent.
Thats a real nice keister cup SANDY!
Never got to see how seats work. Ty.
🔴🔴🔴🔴🔴 Interesting video - Thanks Sandy - Good job !
Sandy why not put all the bits/screws etc into a big box (very big I guess) and sell the box off for a DIY project for some enthusiast ?
They could even get a channel going about doing that which would be quite popular I should imagine.
sandy = quality content
I find the front passenger seat more interesting. Most (all?) cars have a weight sensor to disable the dash airbag is the seat if unoccupied or has a small child in it. Some cars, so I have been told, adjust the force of the dash airbag depending on the weight of the occupant or the position of the seat. My gen. 2 Chevy Volt uses a partially inflated plastic bag inside the seat with a tube leading from it to a pressure sensor. Would be interesting to know how Ford does it.
My wife and I both found the Mach E seat cushion to be odd feeling and uncomfortable. In the demo car we drove the seat cushion on the passenger side had a lump in the foam right in the middle of the seat that we found to be more than somewhat disconcerting.
Yes, the seat position will adjust the airbag inflation force. But the weight sensor is an on/off switch for passenger airbag.
Hello Sandy from Augusta Ga
Tees,,Caps,,Mugs,, Posters!!
I heard Sandy talking about the "drive nut". I'm thinking to myself, "I thought Sandy WAS the drive nut"...
Sandy Like to see the power drive taken apart
3:50 , Sandy, i think most of us are into screws!
Good and easy to understand video. That seat has taken few hours to design too. So complex.
At least 30 years in the making.
I believe the first guy was working on it in the 1920's
crazy seat, if something goes wrong, they'd probably replace the whole thing than repair. is there a more complicated seat than this?
So... are there opportunities to reduce parts here? And, are you pleased with all of the fasteners you saw?
In school we had a quiz on identifying robots. I would have called it 6-axis with 2 end effectors. That seat foam has memory?
This was awesome.
Amazing, that rod withstands the force of a human wearing a seatbelt in a crash. Even with only a guide rod of the other side...
for me it's the tilt of the backrest part. that whole mechanism has so much weight when in a wreck.
In a crash only the seatbelt does the job not the seat.
@@alanmay7929 You're absolutely correct!
I wish my Leaf has those seats/neck supporters.
Could you do a detailed explanation of how the rear child-safety locks work? I have a friend who is continually vexed by them.
Car seats for dummies, love it!