Check out these two videos to learn more about the horrible match-fixing scandal: General overview - czcams.com/video/DWbaUr8kZaU/video.html Life's pivotal role in match-fixing - czcams.com/video/OKC0ybdu_vA/video.html Timecodes: 00:00 The origins of MKP and first success 03:54 The road to becoming a champion 07:11 Decline during BroodLord meta 10:35 MKP returns to StarCraft 2 once again 11:42 Was MKP guilty of match-fixing?
I'm sure not many people even know who mkp was. Anyway this dude was the God of micro of early sc2, insane micro for that time which is the norm for every pro player nowadays.
MKP created a shift in Terran play for SC2 much like Boxer, his idol, did for SC1 and partially for SC2 as well. New strats opened up from his micro tricks, unfortunately like his idol he wasn't as consistent as other players who would take on board what they saw and create new metas and Boxer however I feel was the smarter player as he'd create strategies and builds around his play while MKP was pure god of micro play which was entertaining but limited against certain types of opposition.
My all time favorite. From that amazing series vs Kyrix (there were multiple amazing games there, but especially Shakuras Plateau and Xel Naga Carvern), to all those tragic losses vs Nestea and MVP. The end with the match fixing is gonna be hard to hear, but it needs to be told.
Ugh. Still hurts so much. I remember when it first happened I was convinced it couldn't be. Alas... Glad he retired after. Do you have a video of MMA? That's a legendary story too. And team Slayers in general.
A possible theory for the unusual betting on his infamous match: someone close to him was aware of his mental situation leading to the match, possibly because of a personal event, and informed a select number of gambling contacts about it. I've heard similar stories happen in other sports betting, such as in tennis, where a friend "guaranteed" that they'd win a very risky bet on a tennis match because they had an insider who had informed them that the higher seeded/better tennis player had just broken up with her boyfriend the night before, and was thus incapable of performing at her peak.
@@pavel9652 : Nah, I'm not talking about MKP's capability to perform,/make mistakes I'm talking specifically about the unusual betting pattern that happened during his match. That is something that occurs either when a match is being fixed, or somebody has inside info about the match.
@@pavel9652 : Anyway, personally I think MKP wasn't match fixing, because of the following reasons: 1. he was cleared by the investigation. it is highly unlikely that he would have gotten special treatment from KeSpa when they were willing to burn Life, YoDa, Gerrard, and BByong, who were all more prominent players whose exposure would (and did) cause damage to the SC2 scene. 2. in general, match fixers do not want unusual betting to be noticed by the online betting sites, as that results in bets getting voided and all their efforts getting wasted. 3. None of the players involved in the "suspicious betting line" matches ended up getting arrested for match-fixing, while none of the players who got arrested for match-fixing were involved in "suspicious betting" matches. Because, again, matchfixers are usually much more savvy at making the throws look believable, and keeping the info under wraps.
@@thebumpercar1344 If it looks like match-fixing it is probably a match-fixing. Ockham razor principle prefers simplicity rather than elusive and esoteric reasons. It is hard to believe one of the top progamers didn't see hatch on the minimap. He was cleared because they haven't found evidence. It isn't about special treatment. A suspicious match with a particularly bad performance isn't good enough to be evidence in the court. It is hard to prove what he was thinking unless there is additional evidence. All people involved must have kept their mouths shut, as in the saying "nobody talks, everybody walks" (from interrogation, going home).
@@EsportsStoryteller looking forward to it. In relation to this video there's some people saying his grand final game was also fixed, maybe the game may need analysis? I don't think it's the case though.
The only thing I can think of, is if he was going for a pf defence, and he forgot you need the tech centre to do it. And then changed his Strat at the last minute when he realized.
That last clip with the alleged match fixing is incredibly damning. If it looks like match fixing, trust me guys, it's match fixing. It's not his mental state, he's not tilted, it's fixed. It's an extremely prevalent thing in esports and will continue to be. No need to search for esoteric answers. The match was fixed, the end.
I don't know the case and I am not an expert, not even a good sc2 player myself, but a suspicious match with a particularly bad performance isn't good enough evidence in the court. Perhaps they have failed to find anything stronger. He had plausible deniability and probably provided coherent statements across the multiple questioning. It is hard to prove what he was thinking unless there is additional evidence, like text messages. All people involved, if they were investigated, must have kept their mouths shut, as in the saying "nobody talks, everybody walks" (going home from interrogation).
@@EsportsStoryteller korean law enforcement led a serious investigation about that game and concluded that he was innocent. he just played bad that day. which was confirmed by ex - GSL Korean caster.
@@DRSTEELable there is bad play and there is wrong play. that game just was wrong. i have never seen a pro player react to a situation like that ever before or ever since. it was just bizarre, there is no explanation beyond matchfixing or maybe he was having a seizure (which was obvious from the look of him that he wasn't). and pinnacle voided the bets for the match independent of how the match went, just because of betting patterns indicative of matchfixing. what's the probability of this bizarre match happening just like this, and the bets being voided, for the same game, without it being matchfixing? very close to zero.
Look guys, the Koreans take match fixing allegations FAR more seriously than anyone does in the Western Esports scene. If they say that MKP is innocent, then he is innocent, case closed. You can look at what happened to other VERY high profile pros and how they were not only shamed for match fixing but literally prosecuted for it. The Koreans do not fuck around at all when it comes to match fixing.
It only means he had an excuse, plausible deniability and nobody testified against him or there was no other evidence. His fault hasn't been proven beyond doubt, thus he is innocent, but the match looks pretty damning.
There is no universe where you would make not one, but TWO reapers and then *not use them* and just sit them in your base. Even a gold terran knows this.
it's just sort of how the race is designed, fast moving fragile range units. marines, hellions, banshees, medivacs, liberators all these units can get massive massive returns with micro. other races get rewarded for other tasks more than micro, so micro becomes a 2ndard or 3rd tier priority. i.e micro these 20 lings + 6 queens or do a full inject cycle + spread tumors everywhere, in 90% of situations the inject + tumors is better. Where as terran if they get to micro that double drop of marines or go do...... what, put down 2 rax 3 depos then go back to microing the marines??? (comparative to the other races of course, but a lot of the actions required of terran are micro based)
@@stephencraig3176 He was asking specifically about Prime Terrans i.e. Terran players on Team Prime. To answer that question, it stands to reason that a Proleague team sharing the same coach would share similar priorities in practice. I imagine their coach emphasised micro as a means to get more out of engagements and turn balanced trades into favourable ones. Or perhaps that mentality is what led them to sign prodigal players with great micro.
MKP realised that Zergs don't micro, and started to find new ways to micro. Blizzard then buffed the infestor so Zergs can go back to not microing. Great job Blizz. Thanks for letting that stale era go on for too long, not to mention the swarm host era when Zergs refused to adapt to Heart of the Swarm, and removed their need to micro again.
This was sad to watch MarineKing Prime was my favorite players and I copied his strategies snd was a rather formidable Terran player myself. Then he disappeared for a bit came back snd was never the same, everyone said he was taking bribes and taking dives and its well known he was. Sad story of a top player with big potential tarnish his name for a little extra coin.
Well, playing devil's advocate here but given how RTS games go, his attention might just have been elsewhere especially early game where you're going to be trying to get yourself established.
If the Byul vs MKP game was a fix. Byul did the dirty, making it so obvious. He could have put the hatch and built spines further back. MKP could have gone greedy build, and it would have been a misstep down to build (without scouting Byul). Byul made it so obvious that MKP saw it and ignored it, because it was a fix. No doubt.
MKP obviously saw the spine being made but besides that, why would you make TWO reapers and then proceed to do nothing with them? If you're gonna sit in your base and "defend" why not just be marines and not spend all that gas for nothing? It was a fixed match plain as day for any Terran observer.
1:28 isn't this boxer and not mkp or is the name display wrong? Edit: oh he called himself BoxeR at first? I thought the real BoxeR switched to SC2 at the beginning
MKP certainly did not fix match. The prosecution Korea is not an amateur, and in particular, if it starts an investigation into match fixing, it will investigate not only himself but also all the accounts of related people. When there is a match-fixing charge, an investigation into all calls over the months is also made. MKP was completely innocent in all investigations. Sometimes it is ridiculous to see overseas fans still suspect MKP. MKP was originally famous for being mentally weak, and there are many games that were embarrassed as well as this game. In the year of this game, MKP's performance was so bad so i think that effect this match. he said it was really hard while being investigated at this time, and after investigation he looks like lost passion and abstaining various competitions since then. Eventually, he retired because of the army. According to the creator's streaming, mkp runs a restaurant in his hometown nowadays.
@@EsportsStoryteller all he had to do was watch the video and he could have figured that out since you actually mention it in the video.. also thank you for the great video even if I'm a year late.
I dont dislike this video but I think MKP was super overhyped. He was only good when the game was bad aka wings of liberty and HOTS. Its a shame those match fixers killed competitive SC2's legitimacy to many because the game was just coming into an era of good balance and it would filter out a lot of these "Patch" type players. The only thing that kept that label off them like hit the zergs and these type of Terrans constantly in the game was that marines were stupidly overpowered in the first two versions of the game. TL;DR- Artosis' comments at 8:50 sum it up best. Inflexible player that just couldnt evolve with the rest of the game. Probably would have lost to 12 year old Maru.
tell me you know nothing of SC2 history without telling me you don't..... what are you talking about Maru and MKP where on the same team at one point. Also everyone during that time was trying to figure out the game, and MKP did advance with the time and was just a 1 trick pony but his main rise to fame and what his specialty was Marine control.. also even in its current state sc2 isn't balanced especial toss which would need a whole new revamp of there mechanics to be competitive at the highest level..
So what is the key to winning sc2 or any blizzard game. Simply buy blizzard favor to update the patch and change the game play. No matter how good a player is at their prime time, once blizzard nerf that race then it's all over. Key poing...point.... blizzard is the king and boss
Check out these two videos to learn more about the horrible match-fixing scandal:
General overview - czcams.com/video/DWbaUr8kZaU/video.html
Life's pivotal role in match-fixing - czcams.com/video/OKC0ybdu_vA/video.html
Timecodes:
00:00 The origins of MKP and first success
03:54 The road to becoming a champion
07:11 Decline during BroodLord meta
10:35 MKP returns to StarCraft 2 once again
11:42 Was MKP guilty of match-fixing?
I'm sure not many people even know who mkp was. Anyway this dude was the God of micro of early sc2, insane micro for that time which is the norm for every pro player nowadays.
"which is the norm for every pro player nowadays" I wouldn't say that.
Agreed that much more people are able to do it, but it still looks top tier.
i remember a player that was called the fake BoxeR, but mkp doesnt really ring a bell indeed.
@@axh2 i m pretty sure top 5 terrans can do it much better, top 15 same as him. Maru or clem splits inhuman.
@@user-nv1qp4jr7p Thanks to players like him, we see such a wonderful game of terrans nowadays
Certainly a great player. Rewatching that ByuL game again, I have no clue how that could’ve happened…
I remember watching MKP and MVP and Nestea etc… the hay day of StarCraft community
MKP created a shift in Terran play for SC2 much like Boxer, his idol, did for SC1 and partially for SC2 as well. New strats opened up from his micro tricks, unfortunately like his idol he wasn't as consistent as other players who would take on board what they saw and create new metas and Boxer however I feel was the smarter player as he'd create strategies and builds around his play while MKP was pure god of micro play which was entertaining but limited against certain types of opposition.
"oldschool starcraft 2 viewers" me realizing just how old SC2 is 👶->👴
My all time favorite. From that amazing series vs Kyrix (there were multiple amazing games there, but especially Shakuras Plateau and Xel Naga Carvern), to all those tragic losses vs Nestea and MVP. The end with the match fixing is gonna be hard to hear, but it needs to be told.
Ugh. Still hurts so much. I remember when it first happened I was convinced it couldn't be. Alas... Glad he retired after.
Do you have a video of MMA? That's a legendary story too. And team Slayers in general.
I'll do mma one day
A possible theory for the unusual betting on his infamous match: someone close to him was aware of his mental situation leading to the match, possibly because of a personal event, and informed a select number of gambling contacts about it. I've heard similar stories happen in other sports betting, such as in tennis, where a friend "guaranteed" that they'd win a very risky bet on a tennis match because they had an insider who had informed them that the higher seeded/better tennis player had just broken up with her boyfriend the night before, and was thus incapable of performing at her peak.
Ockham razor. Not be able to perform at top level is not the same as making ridicules mistakes.
@@pavel9652 : Nah, I'm not talking about MKP's capability to perform,/make mistakes I'm talking specifically about the unusual betting pattern that happened during his match. That is something that occurs either when a match is being fixed, or somebody has inside info about the match.
@@thebumpercar1344Thanks for clarification ;)
@@pavel9652 : Anyway, personally I think MKP wasn't match fixing, because of the following reasons:
1. he was cleared by the investigation. it is highly unlikely that he would have gotten special treatment from KeSpa when they were willing to burn Life, YoDa, Gerrard, and BByong, who were all more prominent players whose exposure would (and did) cause damage to the SC2 scene.
2. in general, match fixers do not want unusual betting to be noticed by the online betting sites, as that results in bets getting voided and all their efforts getting wasted.
3. None of the players involved in the "suspicious betting line" matches ended up getting arrested for match-fixing, while none of the players who got arrested for match-fixing were involved in "suspicious betting" matches. Because, again, matchfixers are usually much more savvy at making the throws look believable, and keeping the info under wraps.
@@thebumpercar1344 If it looks like match-fixing it is probably a match-fixing. Ockham razor principle prefers simplicity rather than elusive and esoteric reasons. It is hard to believe one of the top progamers didn't see hatch on the minimap. He was cleared because they haven't found evidence. It isn't about special treatment. A suspicious match with a particularly bad performance isn't good enough to be evidence in the court. It is hard to prove what he was thinking unless there is additional evidence. All people involved must have kept their mouths shut, as in the saying "nobody talks, everybody walks" (from interrogation, going home).
The kyrix v foxer match in gsl was iconic
I've been waiting for this video since i found your channel :') Thanks
I'm not a terran myself but I was a big fan of this guy though. One of the best and coolest players ever
Please do the story of Oliveira
Already writing the script, the video will be ready in a couple of days :)
@@EsportsStoryteller I just wanna add: he is the one punch man of SC2 - "I am just a normal guy, everyone can do that. I just train 15hrs a day" :D
@@EsportsStoryteller I'm amazed at your work ethic dude, keep it up!
@@EsportsStoryteller looking forward to it. In relation to this video there's some people saying his grand final game was also fixed, maybe the game may need analysis? I don't think it's the case though.
@@Norrieification thanks! Make sure to check the channel up in like 2.5 hours, I'll have a second small video with my thoughts about katowice
Marine King vs parting was some of the best matches I've ever seen
Amazing research and presentation, man. I've been getting back into sc2 VODs and wondered what happened to some of the old big names.
The only thing I can think of, is if he was going for a pf defence, and he forgot you need the tech centre to do it. And then changed his Strat at the last minute when he realized.
Yeah it could be the case
Marine King is the Rob Liefeld of SC2.
Every early SC2 video, theres Tasteless with fucked up throat already :D
I think he smoked quite a lot back in the old days
Maru is what I thought MKP would be. I never saw micro like that till he came on the scene.
That last clip with the alleged match fixing is incredibly damning. If it looks like match fixing, trust me guys, it's match fixing. It's not his mental state, he's not tilted, it's fixed. It's an extremely prevalent thing in esports and will continue to be. No need to search for esoteric answers. The match was fixed, the end.
Ockham razor prefers simplicity. I like the fragment about no need to search for esoteric reasons ;)
Perhaps, I wonder though how he got away with it
I don't know the case and I am not an expert, not even a good sc2 player myself, but a suspicious match with a particularly bad performance isn't good enough evidence in the court. Perhaps they have failed to find anything stronger. He had plausible deniability and probably provided coherent statements across the multiple questioning. It is hard to prove what he was thinking unless there is additional evidence, like text messages. All people involved, if they were investigated, must have kept their mouths shut, as in the saying "nobody talks, everybody walks" (going home from interrogation).
@@EsportsStoryteller korean law enforcement led a serious investigation about that game and concluded that he was innocent. he just played bad that day. which was confirmed by ex - GSL Korean caster.
@@DRSTEELable there is bad play and there is wrong play. that game just was wrong. i have never seen a pro player react to a situation like that ever before or ever since. it was just bizarre, there is no explanation beyond matchfixing or maybe he was having a seizure (which was obvious from the look of him that he wasn't). and pinnacle voided the bets for the match independent of how the match went, just because of betting patterns indicative of matchfixing. what's the probability of this bizarre match happening just like this, and the bets being voided, for the same game, without it being matchfixing? very close to zero.
Marine King Prime is also a nickname legacy of "The Marine". SC1 player
Look guys, the Koreans take match fixing allegations FAR more seriously than anyone does in the Western Esports scene. If they say that MKP is innocent, then he is innocent, case closed. You can look at what happened to other VERY high profile pros and how they were not only shamed for match fixing but literally prosecuted for it. The Koreans do not fuck around at all when it comes to match fixing.
It only means he had an excuse, plausible deniability and nobody testified against him or there was no other evidence. His fault hasn't been proven beyond doubt, thus he is innocent, but the match looks pretty damning.
There is no universe where you would make not one, but TWO reapers and then *not use them* and just sit them in your base. Even a gold terran knows this.
I named my self after him WarTankPrime
How come Prime Terrans were so good at micro? MKP, Byun, Maru, etc
it's just sort of how the race is designed, fast moving fragile range units. marines, hellions, banshees, medivacs, liberators all these units can get massive massive returns with micro. other races get rewarded for other tasks more than micro, so micro becomes a 2ndard or 3rd tier priority. i.e micro these 20 lings + 6 queens or do a full inject cycle + spread tumors everywhere, in 90% of situations the inject + tumors is better.
Where as terran if they get to micro that double drop of marines or go do...... what, put down 2 rax 3 depos then go back to microing the marines??? (comparative to the other races of course, but a lot of the actions required of terran are micro based)
@@stephencraig3176 He was asking specifically about Prime Terrans i.e. Terran players on Team Prime.
To answer that question, it stands to reason that a Proleague team sharing the same coach would share similar priorities in practice. I imagine their coach emphasised micro as a means to get more out of engagements and turn balanced trades into favourable ones. Or perhaps that mentality is what led them to sign prodigal players with great micro.
Really good player, saying that as Protoss fan.
Infestors are broken tho, should be nerfed, 4 infestors can literally stop entire army
MKP realised that Zergs don't micro, and started to find new ways to micro. Blizzard then buffed the infestor so Zergs can go back to not microing. Great job Blizz. Thanks for letting that stale era go on for too long, not to mention the swarm host era when Zergs refused to adapt to Heart of the Swarm, and removed their need to micro again.
Your videos are bottled nostalgia
I remember this guy. Wonder what he's up to these days.
This was sad to watch MarineKing Prime was my favorite players and I copied his strategies snd was a rather formidable Terran player myself. Then he disappeared for a bit came back snd was never the same, everyone said he was taking bribes and taking dives and its well known he was. Sad story of a top player with big potential tarnish his name for a little extra coin.
5:50.was shocked to hear that tasteles voice was that deep.
He was smoking quite a lot in the past
Also, casting for days straight takes a toll on your throat
There isn't any way he didn't see that. That was a fixed match.
Well, playing devil's advocate here but given how RTS games go, his attention might just have been elsewhere especially early game where you're going to be trying to get yourself established.
Why would he not scout with his reapers tho, if he already build them. Like you would see he is not building a hatchery in his natural
True, the early game isn't particularly demanding in terms of attention, compared to mid or late game, so this is weak argument.
@@cursedhawkins1305 lol. i got a bridge to sell ya
Thats the most fixed match in the history of matchfixing
If the Byul vs MKP game was a fix. Byul did the dirty, making it so obvious. He could have put the hatch and built spines further back. MKP could have gone greedy build, and it would have been a misstep down to build (without scouting Byul). Byul made it so obvious that MKP saw it and ignored it, because it was a fix. No doubt.
MKP obviously saw the spine being made but besides that, why would you make TWO reapers and then proceed to do nothing with them? If you're gonna sit in your base and "defend" why not just be marines and not spend all that gas for nothing? It was a fixed match plain as day for any Terran observer.
He made Proxy (Not really but almost), YEAH that damn Metalopolis close by ground... never forger lol, until they removed that spawn positions.
Maru learnt marine micro from MKP I'm sure as they were both in prime
Still remember that dance lol
His name is Marine King lol ... Doesnt take a genius to figure out what he is best at ...
1:28 isn't this boxer and not mkp or is the name display wrong?
Edit: oh he called himself BoxeR at first? I thought the real BoxeR switched to SC2 at the beginning
BoxeR played as SlayerSBoxeR during GSL Open Season 2 because MKP had his ID already.
Great upload! Does anyone know what he's up to nowadays?
According to some sources in the comments, he's running a restaurant in his hometown
Holding his proxy 2 raxs was one of the highlight of my gaming career even though I lost later on to his great strategy and splitting micro.
MKP certainly did not fix match. The prosecution Korea is not an amateur, and in particular, if it starts an investigation into match fixing, it will investigate not only himself but also all the accounts of related people. When there is a match-fixing charge, an investigation into all calls over the months is also made. MKP was completely innocent in all investigations. Sometimes it is ridiculous to see overseas fans still suspect MKP.
MKP was originally famous for being mentally weak, and there are many games that were embarrassed as well as this game. In the year of this game, MKP's performance was so bad so i think that effect this match.
he said it was really hard while being investigated at this time, and after investigation he looks like lost passion and abstaining various competitions since then. Eventually, he retired because of the army.
According to the creator's streaming, mkp runs a restaurant in his hometown nowadays.
Naw man, there is no circumstance that you make 2 reapers and then keep them in your base. He's guilty as sin.
MarineKing and boxer it's two diffrent players
He used his nickname that's why he's displayed as boxer sometimes
@@EsportsStoryteller all he had to do was watch the video and he could have figured that out since you actually mention it in the video..
also thank you for the great video even if I'm a year late.
Pro zergs didn't bother spreading creep back in the days?
Это да герм против мкп
I dont dislike this video but I think MKP was super overhyped. He was only good when the game was bad aka wings of liberty and HOTS.
Its a shame those match fixers killed competitive SC2's legitimacy to many because the game was just coming into an era of good balance and it would filter out a lot of these "Patch" type players. The only thing that kept that label off them like hit the zergs and these type of Terrans constantly in the game was that marines were stupidly overpowered in the first two versions of the game.
TL;DR- Artosis' comments at 8:50 sum it up best. Inflexible player that just couldnt evolve with the rest of the game. Probably would have lost to 12 year old Maru.
tell me you know nothing of SC2 history without telling me you don't..... what are you talking about Maru and MKP where on the same team at one point. Also everyone during that time was trying to figure out the game, and MKP did advance with the time and was just a 1 trick pony but his main rise to fame and what his specialty was Marine control.. also even in its current state sc2 isn't balanced especial toss which would need a whole new revamp of there mechanics to be competitive at the highest level..
So what is the key to winning sc2 or any blizzard game. Simply buy blizzard favor to update the patch and change the game play. No matter how good a player is at their prime time, once blizzard nerf that race then it's all over. Key poing...point.... blizzard is the king and boss