Pastor Refutes Atheism At A March
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2017
- Don't miss this important and inspirational video. This is actual footage of Pastor Jeff Durbin arguing with a Secularist during a march in Dublin, Ireland. What worldview can consistently make sense of ethical appeals. Can Secularism, Atheism, or Agnosticism justify any of the claims they make?
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Question help: I try to reason with These people but they don’t understand your point.
What do you do on this type of conversation when the other person doesn’t mentally understand your point? Do you just help them understand it?
@@Luke-vg4mt ask them this: what should you say to a lady who falls down the stairs and has a miscarriage? I bet they wouldn't tell her to get over it and that she can make another one.
Errr! Where did you debunk atheism? Nowt on the video!
love the content thank you for the excellent information to evangelize the lost
@@TillTheyMurderMeEvangelism Isnt it the christards like you who're lost in listening to a charlatan like durbin who needs childish word games cos he can't provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god?
I grew up without religion my whole life. I've been questioning this worldview for the past couple years now and this channel is helping me tremendously. I've looked up a church in my area and will be going for the first time in my life...
Awesome! Just remember churches are not perfect, because they are full of people, and I pray that Jesus reveals Himself to you, and you find a great church family.
I was raised a believer but left my faith in my late teens. I started to question my world view also and came back to faith based on my conclusions. God bless you brother.
hey man, are you now a brother in Christ?
@@andrestinkler9410 Wow, 2 years ago. I remember this comment. Yes I am. Still have a lot to learn. I was baptized this past November at my church. Studying my Bible daily. Things are going great.
@@duckmagnet85 Praise the Lord man, thats awesome! Continue pursuing righteousness and spending time in prayer and the Word. God bless you!!
She had no argument because she literally argued with no basis to anything for the sake of arguing the argument...
The very fact that she was arguing is concrete evidence that all of her denials of truths, absolutes, or mere definitions is wholly insufficient to quell her conscience which is burning with condemnation within her. Although she is running from the truth, she comes to Jeff and argues. She is like the criminal who cannot stay away from the crime scene.
The truth is, we cannot live up to our own manufactured definitions of integrity let alone to God's ultimate standard of holiness. Therefore, we often try, as does this woman, to run from any definition at all: of good or evil, or integrity, or even to avoid calling that "thing" in the womb a baby, a lump of cells, or a mere undefined "pregnancy." This woman is dancing like a child who needs to go to the bathroom, with vain attempts to make truth go away. Yet, at every turn it condemns her continuously.
This shows how futile is the attempt to deny the truth that is written in our conscience, and how solid, real, and immutable truth is. Oh how we seek to avoid it! If only we could see how deep is the love that TRUTH is made of, and how beautiful that love is when we allow it to touch our hearts. This woman has hardened her heart to the child in the womb, but God has not hardened His heart to her. She is His child and He loves her dearly, so much so that He gave His Son to die for her. If only she would allow herself to see. Surely, this is the purpose of prayer. May the Lord bless this good work that Jeff and his team are doing.
Horseshit. The guy didn't even know what atheism is. He also doesn't know what a belief system is.
@@deanmartin1111 Mr. Durbin knows "atheism" quite well...
@@deanmartin1111 within the first 3 minutes of this video he explains atheism quite well actually. The only ones who dont seem to have a grasp on it are atheist themselves
Her position ultimately is self refuting
Pastor Jeff, the angels in heaven are singing because you're standing up for the innocent, helpless babies. May God bless you and keep you.
I am agnostic but preacher Jeff has really got me rethinking my beliefs. He seems to be a good man who is truthful.
Amen pray God opens your eyes ...try Jesus he will change your heart ✝️💕
God bless you sir!
Why? What made you retink?
Read the whole Bible, including the part where it says that it's ok to beat your slave half to death as long as he doesn't kick the bucket. I actually can't even write what the Bible says because CZcams will automatically remove my comment because of the horrible things it says.
@@alexgarcia3900 🤣😂 you are mistaken, that is supposed to be a "loving god"
A woman who doesn't scream at you during a conversation for disagreeing with her?
It's obviously not an American girl
If that one began to scream she would be a banshee
She's Irish, we are a more secular country
@@irishpride2993 Sweeping generalisation
IrishPride 29 That’s false, and what does that have to do with the comment?
@@justchilling704 Ireland is a secular country I've lived here all my life. You're probably one of the Catholic extremists here boohooing because more than half the country is atheist now.
11:48 • You know there's a problem when you have to think about whether a rapist should be stopped.
Insanity really, they don't know which way is up.
I'm not on her side by any means but she was contemplating the fact that she just contradicted herself,and she knew it.
You know there's a problem when your holy book endorses rape and yet you read right past it.
@@SubconsciousGatherer Good thing that ain't the Bible but, your Holy books indirectly do.
@@justchilling704 You either misread my comment or misunderstood my position. (A) the Bible does in fact endorse rape (I've read it), and (B) I'm atheist, so I have no holy books. Reason, logic, and evidence guide my path, not faith. Thank you.
This is one of the most insane conversations I've ever heard. Left and right hither and yon she is engaged in cognitive dissonance and circular thinking. She's basically coming from the position of, "How can I say 'Can't we all just get along and believe whatever we want with zero negative consequences? Because confronting anyone about anything makes me feel insecure."
Honestly, there is absolutely no point in these people ever opening their mouths. They have nothing of value to add, just constant evasion and relativism. Why do they even bother?
The psychological and spiritual warfare here was mind blowing...thank you pastor for being consistent and brutally honest!!!
"When a woman is pregnant, what's in there?"
"I just disagree...I don't want to get into all that."
She is so dishonest in this interview!
Streetsdisciple001 well, as a believer in Christ we’re not here just to mind our own business
Spartan-203/Herrera's Spartan facts bro
Streetsdisciple001 you know that a child is in there too... why do you find that okay to kill the child 🤦🏽♂️
@Streetsdisciple001 It will certainly be the man's business if the woman has the child. A judge will make sure of that with child support payments. And if a criminal attacks the pregnant woman and the baby dies, the criminal will be charged with murder of the unborn baby. Not to mention the unborn baby has a separate body from the mother so one could turn this argument around and say the mother should mind her own body and not disturb the unborn baby's body. And there are cases where pregnant mothers who abused drugs or alcohol have been charged with crimes for hurting the body of the unborn baby as a result.
When Individuals refuse to call a ♠️ a ♠️ that’s when injustice becomes normalized. Beautiful woman...but she’s misguided...I hope she finds Truth...
Oh boy! "I'm not answering any of these questions." Ya I can see why. May the Lord have mercy on her and help her to see.
She's a literal living, breathing contradiction 😂
@Satan is Above god lol hey troll
@God is Good satanist and male witch? Lol and you have the audacity to troll Christians? Edge Masters unite!
God is Good but why the god is good if you are a satanist witch
@@josiahgarrison3297 Because he's a troll with no true wisdom and suffering from the rotton fruits of being misguided.
@God is Good Oh your crafts work alright, they work because of demons. You are a worker of darkness and deceit. Your god is nothing compared to Jesus. If your god was "good", as you say, you wouldn't have made the insensitive and ignorant comment you made regarding Jesus, which started this entire comment chain. You made that comment because deep down you can't stand the Light. So you lash out and make rude blasphemous remarks because the demons that you serve won't allow you to see clearly.
I wish I could speak like pastor Jeff. I just feel like an imbecile when I try to speak my case against one who doesn’t believe. Please Holy Spirit speak through me!
Thisworldismycage- humble yourself turn away from any one sin you consistantly do and ask for forgiveness. God is faithful and will answer you. Be on the minds lookout for an adrenaline rush. It is God speaking to you. God Bless You.
Continue to abide in God
William Lane Craig, and Gary Habermas have a lot if good material. Though Craig is an Arminian.
@@allisvanity...9161 Actually Craig's a Molinist and I think there's a bit of a difference between the two.
I feel you, brother. I feel you.
Romans 1:22, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."
Conmen flatter their marks.
Juvy Ebi Amen. She was all over the place with her Antichrist “wisdom”.
She's a child. I'll drill Skyspookster Neckbeard into the ground.
Juvy Ebi Atheists suffer from the 2 Thessalonians strong delusion.
This is why it is so easy to take advantage of the gullible religious zombies.. They have absolutely given up their rationality and put everything in a mythical book and story...lol
The way he explains the Christian faith is just impeccable. #Goals
I agree, hes been helping me
Explained well? Sure. Justified Christianity? Not even close. Atheists can’t disprove a higher power. Christians can’t prove it. Agnostics use reason to establish morality and spirituality. Funny how people can’t see the inseparable connection between morality and justice, let alone explain it well.
@@Primatenate88 a refutation of objective truth in any sort of fashion is a completely contradictory worldview that cannot stand. It literally defies all logic and reason and any claim otherwise is complete and utter intellectual dishonesty. What Jeff Durbin is saying here is that you have to pick a lane otherwise your entire outlook on life is a lie. If you are okay with outright saying that you know that what you believe is intellectually dishonest and you don’t care, then that’s another worldview in it of itself. But you cannot claim that your belief is not contradictory or logically consistent, and that is what this entire argument was about. Any legitimate and intellectually honest atheist would tell you that that same belief is completely illogical.
You can’t borrow reason or logic from an absolutistic worldview and apply it to a relative one. With all due respect stranger your statement itself is contradictory. It can be boiled down to this:
Is there such thing as truth?
No
Is that statement true?
If the person then answers yes they just completely refuted their own argument before it even began.
If they answer no then what was the reason for them to even answer in the first place? Not to mention the lady above never even mentioned that Jeff “justified” Christianity regardless if he did or not, she simply said explain.
I say this out of love friend, not hate. For the sake of truth, we should pursue it with integrity and honesty which is what Jeff’s point in the video was. God bless you brother.
@@domega9161 Your argument is diversionary and takes away from the main point. Agnosticism isnt absolutistic and doesnt deny any truth, it simply argues that there isnt enough evidence to support the idea of a specific almighty being, nor justify all the preset moral guidelines. Logic is about using the tools your human brain has to determine which ideas hold water and which ones dont. With all due respect, you've disappeared inside your own asshole by saying theres no such thing as truth. Try putting more thought into deciphering worldviews especially if those views affect major lifestyle decisions. May the force be with you.
@@Primatenate88 lmfao
"I will never tell someone how to live their life"
"would you tell the rapist to stop?"
"uhhmmmmmmmmm.....yeah"
LOL OK
Yeah that girls argument was horrible but the reason rape is banned in our society is because it doesnt benefit society and causes people to live in fear.
@@atheisth5066 Not because it's Wrong?
@@Cube_Ernator1077 aqa and I explained why its wrong
@@atheisth5066 "Doesn't benefit" and 'causes people to live fear'. Banning some-thing from legislation doesn't stop it occurring. I'm sure "any" sexual offender will argue the rape "benefitted them" and use any excuse to justify their actions.
Stamp duty taxes cause fear and don't benefit anyone, other than State Government yet it isn't "banned". Saying Rape Is Wrong clarifies the waters, do you agree?
Because a rapist harms others. So the not stopping others is limited to them not harming others.
At least she is having a conversation. Thank you pastor Jeff.
Jeff's got such a gift - God be praised. Keep up the good work brother!
You spelled Wodan wrong.
@@WilbertLek I was referencing the true God aka YHWY, not the false weak "god" they call Wodan.
@@sbryan060 You spelled Zeus wrong...
@@sbryan060
How is the Norse imaginary friend imaginary and the Western European/Middle Eastern one is not?....
Which God?
She wouldnt answer any question that she knew imploded her world view.
It was like she couldn’t even listen to it. Cognitive dissonance.
Bingo 😂
She realized she walked in a field of landmines after she blew her leg off a few times
@@XGMC921 Yes most atheists are used to talking with lukewarm Christians who just shrug their shoulders away when faced with tough questions. This one realized that this is not the usual! She was used to just blabbering away as before but today she learnt that EVERY single word that came out of her mouth would be investigated CAREFULLY and FAST! Quite funny if you ask me but let me not chuckle with pride...hehe sorry.
After everything, I am really impressed at how the preacher was able to remain calm and respectful even when he knew............................... he was destroying her worldview like BOOOOOM!!!!
To God be the Glory! Greetings from Africa!
“60 million babies deep” my goodness that hit my heart hard.
Oh dear ....... this Irish young lady is Hard Work. Pastor Jeff-you are so patient, resolute and giving. This Is the Way we need to talk with people!
I used to be her. I’m ashamed I ever thought it was ok. Thank you Lord for opening my eyes!
"how right she believes she is"
This is the whole reason presuppositional apologetics exists - to reify people like Jeff's felt sense of certitude.
Early in the video "use me as an example". Mid-way through the video, "I'm not representative (don't use me)."
Anderson Paes She said to take her as an example of someone who doesn't think that the idea of god matters, but not as representative of every atheist.
Turn off your selective hearing and pay attention.
very true..good point,well spotted
@@timpieper5293 Your argument is inconsistent. Someone who thinks that the idea of god doesn´t matter is an atheist. You can´t say you are an atheist, but when arguments against atheism makes you speechless just say: Oh well I´m not a representative. What are you then? An atheist, but not a representative one? But for argument´s sake, let´s assume she is not a representative of a atheists. She is a representative of herself. Her indivudual atheism. So he argued against her world view. And she couldn´t answer...^^
Mona Müller “your argument is inconsistent.”
Well, it’s possible you’re right. I’m going to hear you out and see if you can help me spot a flaw in my reasoning so that I can be more probably correct in the future.
“Someone who thinks that the idea of god doesn’t matter is an atheist.”
Where did you hear that? I’ve never heard that definition of atheism before. Or perhaps you’re not defining atheism but trying to say that if someone doesn’t think that the idea of god is important then they must necessarily be unconvinced of any of the many man made gods’ existence, because you’re saying that if someone believes in a god then it automatically follows that their gods are important to them?
If that is what you’re saying, then what about non-committed Christians. They believe in the resurrection of Jesus, that he died on the cross, and they even believed wholeheartedly in Yahweh. But over the years, his commitment fades. Maybe it’s who he hangs out with now or what information he’s become privy to, but the songs and worship doesn’t move him like it used to. And somewhere between born-again and atheism, the Christian is convinced, tentatively, but not super invested in his idea of a god, because he wanted to know the truth, and that required being capable of admitting he was wrong about his gods existence if he could be given good reasons to think so.
As you may have guessed, this anecdote is not too far off from my own personal experience as an ex-Christian, but my point is that it’s possible to believe in a god (to be a theist) and to yet still not take the idea of gods /too/ seriously, and /certainly/ not to take specific and ludicrous ideas of gods seriously.
But you’re a believer, right? I’m assuming you’re a believer for the sake of this point. I’m assuming you’re a Christian and that you think Islam’s god doesn’t exist. So in one sense, you don’t take the idea of the Islamic god all that seriously.
But in another sense, you may feel a great bit of concern about the idea of the Islamic god fooling people into not seeing what you see as the truth and come to be saved by the grace of your god. In that sense, the idea of a specific god might matter quite a lot to you.
So I hope you can come to see why, while some atheists don’t take the idea of gods seriously, in another sense, some of us very much do. Some of us see you all committing yourselves to beliefs in a way that seems completely comparable to all other religions on this planet, and in many different and unique ways between the various religions. And this can cause many atheists natural impulse to empathize and sympathize with those people and want to help them think about their beliefs, and so that they can help us think through ours, and that we can both ultimately better understand the world and our most successful strategies for achieving happiness in life and, if you’re somehow right, happiness in the afterlife.
But of course, there are some atheists who view this issue and hit a different take-home point:
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Having said all that, it seems that after he just gets done placating her points about how atheism isn’t monolithic, at 4:49-5:02, but then he starts trying to spell out “what atheism ultimately says” at 6:17-6:36. And he doesn’t even get what I believe, as an atheist, even close to accurate when he says “there’s no meaning, no value, no purpose.” This is truly messy language, and really doesn’t explain what most atheists I know of and respect would never say in such an imprecise and obfuscating manner. Here’s how they put it in response:
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It’s almost as if he’s deliberately putting words in her mouth after she identifies as an atheist and then pretends like she’s back-peddling for not holding his straw man position of what atheism “ultimately says”.
But presuppositionalists would never rely on such dishonest word games, would they?
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So my point is, when he tries to claim that atheism doesn’t provide the preconditions to complain about a mutilated child, by saying that atheists have no ultimate basis for complaining, he ultimately never really explains why it matters whether we have a basis. He tried several times, but all he did was reassert it over and over in contrast with his straw man of monolithic atheism he pretended to not think is real at the beginning of the video.
Here’s more examples of atheists not fitting his mold of what follows in practice from not being convinced in a god’s existence or in an absolute unchanging moral law:
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Then after she accurately calls Jeff out for making atheism sound like a belief system at 9:27-9:46 because he can’t refute it without misrepresenting it, as the diversity between the atheists I just presented demonstrates that he is in fact mislabeling his stawman atheist which says there’s no meaning or value even though that’s not what any atheist I just presented said in any way, nor do any of them necessarily agree on how to view morality despite all subjectively valuing human wellbeing. They also explained precisely why the absence of a basis for morality would make no practical difference in day to day life.
And after she explicitly says she doesn’t have an /absolute belief system/ at 9:46-9:52, his response tells you everything you need to know: “do you believe that?”
What disingenuousness. She told you she cannot hold an absolute-belief-system. She didn’t say “I cannot hold a belief”.
And she was nice and took the blame for Jeff’s misrepresentation of her position, but I don’t think she should have. He knows full well that he’s misrepresenting her and all of the atheists I just listed, but he doesn’t care.
And the next line on the presuppositionalists script is “what does honesty, inconsistency, or being compassionate and rational matter anyways if there’s no god?” And then attack us with the straw man again. Did I guess it right? Matt Dillahunty did:
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But even if you play that card, it’s okay. You already know it’s not going to work because it was already refuted by TMM and Logicked and TBS, and the rest of the lot of atheistic perspectives I cited.
I should tell you though; other Christians who /do/ care about honesty, inconsistency, and compassionate rationality will be immune from that card and will see you playing that card for what it is. An admission of guilt.
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You haven’t yet played that card, to your credit, so I’ll just let that be a pre-emptive defense that once again demonstrates the juvenility of presuppositionalism.
“She is a representative of herself”
Yes, and I’m a representative of myself and you’re a representative of yourself, and Jeff is representative of all professional pressuppers in some sense but he is ultimately an individual with his own personal perspective devoid of omniscience or anything he would have to need in order to actually be justified in claiming to know with the levels of certainty that he does.
And as you can see, her inability to answer anything doesn’t make anything he said less bullshit.
I hope this response finds you well, regardless of whether I have a basis for doing so or not.
Peace.
Zed Zul Zorander I don’t know what imaginary person you’ve started arguing with, but perhaps you could try actually addressing the points I’ve specifically given as responses to Jeff’s points or questions. For example; Jeff’s disingenuous question about whether she believes she holds an absolute belief system. He heard the word “belief” and pretended that’s all she was referring to. What defense can you come up with?
You got anything of substance to say? Or are you perhaps just posturing? Can you even give a reason to think my citations are not clearly designated as references of the variety of perspectives atheists actually take, despite Jeff’s language purposefully designed to give the slimy impression that atheism entails a bunch of unrelated claims that are complete non sequiturs?
What’s not relevant about the citations of Presuppers being shown for doing what they are doing; putting the cart before the horse and never backing up their assertion that uniformity of nature, Logic, or moral claims, or subjective values all somehow mean a god exists, let alone the Christian god (embarrassing):
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This is simply gaslighting. All preaching presuppers are admitting Christians have nothing left. Presuppositionalists recognize they don’t have a shred of rational thought behind their beliefs, so they normalize circular reasoning and then pretend everything atheists happen to infer are all based on their god, then they pretend every atheist acts as if they’re borrowing from the presuppers worldview all while never actually backing up their claims.
It’s great for keeping Christians remaining Christians, but for people like me who don’t buy these baseless claims or the baseless claims that my worldview is reduced to unworkable simply because I don’t buy the first set of unsubstantiated claims is nothing more than flare.
If you have a rational response that shows how my comment lacks relevant responses to Jeff’s blunders, I’d love to hear it. I wonder if you can. Please note I haven’t assumed you’re a presupper or a Christian yet. But given the subject of my comment, your bravado doesn’t tell me you’re likely objective on this issue and seem determined to avoid addressing the actual conversation topic and want to deflect into tedious accusations of being something the other is not.
I don’t know what your position is, other than you think I’m apparently beneath serious consideration, and that you’ve called me a troll.
Anything else? What do you have to add to the conversation?
I just recently started watching these videos and I love it... the love, positivity, and grace is awesome along with the knowledge of scripture.. thank you for spreading the word.
I love watching Jeff he’s so educated in the word of god. God bless you my Brother
You proved me wrong with facts, now I'm offended, so now it's " just your opinion"
Lendl Metcalf Lol, what facts? Beliefs based on a 2000 year old book of fairy tales =\= facts.
Kylo are you atheist?
Daniel U it was sarcasm lol
Jeff! You are a blessing. Paul would be proud of you how you are kind, yet firm.
She is more concerned with speaking than listening. Plus she is so focused on being contrary that she makes no sense and cannot follow an argument.
Jeff’s patience is incredible. This lady was literally denying logical statements and philosophical refutations by saying “ that’s just your opinion.” At some point, it gets frustrating that a person’s cognitive dissonance won’t let them see how illogical they’re being. He doesn’t ever seem to reach that point and I admire that so much.
I admire Pastor Jeff's patience
The guy showed incredible patience.
@@veryblestmom Why is that, didn't she suit your belief system ? I thought all you bible thumping nut cases had peace of mind ?
@@trousersnake1841 Here we go with the name calling!
NOFAP I’m saying,it’s so childish lol
The pastor very clearly demonstrated to that lady just how ridiculous atheism is and how there was no defending abortion unless the life of the mother is at risk.
It's a pity she is so brainwashed she cannot see it herself.
She is hung up on semantics, and won't allow a discussion to progress. Frustrating person to listen to.
Very frustrating. She won't stop talking/interrupting.
I keep watching her eyes while he is talking. She isn't listening, she is thinking about what she wants to say next.
lmao yea she's the one hung up on semantics.
this whole channel is hilarious
@@killerhippo10 Ikr? :)
Because she doesn't have God. Just no way to argue her way out. Period.
They give hearty approval of these things.
This was just frustrating. Great job Jeff at keeping to the Word and consistently
She has no idea what she's arguing for.
The girl.."I don't believe in anything, but I am going to stand here and tell you what I believe". And she can't even see the complete contradiction.
Because it's difficult to face sin...it's easier to say "I just don't care about anything"! Go to confession...it's like taking a spiritual bath!
She is saying she does not believe in any made up fairy tale belief system. You self righteous American bible thumpers are the worse..
@@trousersnake1841 Um no she had to think about whether telling a child rapist to stop was wrong. She was destroyed in this debate leaving Ad hominem attacks doesnt refute anything.
She switched her definition midway through the argument.
@MusicMadMaurice lol triggered atheist detected. Just admit she lost the debate, you don't have to agree with the pastor but he destroyed her arguments. I'm sure a rational atheist like yourself who doesnt believe in fairy tales can watch a short debate objectively? I mean maybe you would have out debated the pastor but she didn't.
Pretty easy to dismiss these lame arguments from a presuppositionalist. Believing there are absolutes doesn't necessarily mean there are absolutes.
@@JTizza Thats an absolute correct truth mr, sarcasm
@@el29 Ok?
@@JTizza Is that an absolute true statement ? or is it just a relative subjective lack of wisdom statement that has no value in reality in itself ?
Pastor, you are so patient and kind. I love your passion and desire to be used to change the hearts of the blind. God bless your ministry.
This is a really good example of how we(as Christians) should deal with godless people. She(and all those living in rebellion against God) do not want to hear the truth or think rationally, but rather continue in their lies. The best way to treat them is with love, compassion, and patience, while still preaching the truth of the gospel, and praying that they may come to salvation. Good work Pastor, keep preaching and God bless!✝✝✝
Pastor Jeff you are a tank. Praise God!
@MusicMadMaurice
It appears not to many people are agreeing with you.
Have you ever thought that maybe you are the one with the wrong worldview and that you have been brainwashed into believing atheism is correct?
The pastor clearly demonstrated what a ridiculous worldview atheism is.
Maybe you just don't want to see.
@MusicMadMaurice
Hi Maurice. Hope you are doing well.
Surely a naturalistic explanation for our universe comes with atheism?
There is no evidence that our universe could have somehow arisen by itself naturally therefore I would argue that atheism is a belief.
The evidence actually points towards an intelligent uncaused first cause for our universe.
Surely the argument that the universe somehow managed to arise itself uncaused is the bigger claim and therefore the one that requires an explanation.
@MusicMadMaurice
Yes I know we don't know what caused the universe. But we can logically look at it and come up with logical explanations, and these logical explanations lead to an intelligent uncaused first cause.
Btw I'm not sure why you are trying to bring Dawkins book into this discussion. Let's just stay on topic.
@MusicMadMaurice
1. Point taken. I misunderstood your original comment and I now know I didn't have enough information to assume your worldview.
2. It seems you have misunderstood my comment. I never said a magician conjured anything into existence. What I did say was that logic and reasoning leads to an intelligent uncaused first cause being the most plausible explanation for our universe.
I will elaborate later.
3. You said "Can you see the difference in that viewpoints compared with those who claim s thoroughly discredited book .....".
The first thoroughly discredited book that jumped to mind was Richard Dawkins the god delusion.
Or was it one of his other books you were referring to?
Back to point 2.
Can you suggest any natural thing or event which can be it's own explanation?
If your answer is no, why do you believe the universe is an exception?
@MusicMadMaurice
Back up your assertion by giving us examples of how it has been discredited.
She is a relativist. That's why she doesn't understand basic logic.
Maybe she understands basic reality , and not be lost in a fairy tale belief system..
@@trousersnake1841 You mean a belief system like basic logic?
@@nervehoney6807 No actual belief system at all, no Sky creatures or devils or angels. You know stories you read to a child..
@@trousersnake1841 that's exactly what I'm talking about. No logic, just an appeal to ridicule and you think you've won.
@@nervehoney6807 Well you are ridiculous, my child stopped believing in Santa Clause at 10 years of age. It is you that believe in Sky Creatures, angels and Devils not me
"When a man is gains wisdom from GOD the truth can not be hindered. Jeff you are blessed praise God Hallelu'Yah
16:00 Good job Jeff for capitalizing on her for saying ‘child’. I pray this will stick with her!!!
I tear up when I see this the faith defended so beautifully! Meekness at its finest. He could steamroll everyone and prove them wrong but he wants to show them love.
I agree. He is a biblical machine gun.
He only believes in his own belief system. He is just a self righteous idiot. What is wrong with you American weirdo bible thumpers ?
@@trousersnake1841 says the guy on a "weirdo Bible thumper" video. You're a fool.
@GramCracka Yes it is your belief system.
Its in your imagination and you have chosen to follow your stupid belief. Just the same as Muslims follow their stupid belief system. Send your proof you idiot. Send your Photograph of your Sky Daddy ?
If don't even act like whats suppose to be a Christian. What type of charity work do you do ?
Don't contact me again you freak, you are blocked.
@GramCracka That's a great name for you Gram Crackhead.
Wow, what an incredibly frustrating person. She's just constantly pivoting her position. You can't pin her on anything.
That's what scales on your eyes does. The light bulb just never goes on. Pride and selfishness keeps the scales on. To be more direct; hatred of God.
She was most definitely pinned when she said she wouldn't tell someone how to live then he asked her would she tell the rapist to stop then she answers "yes" which ahe admits is contradictory
Then don’t argue with someone who’s beliefs are different from yours. This applies to all religions btw
She’s an utterly confused person.
@@Tecom38415 Her position is soo illogical that you can't simply pin down it's utter self-refuting uselessness. And your response is to then say, then don't argue. Your position is as deluded and illogical as hers.
Jeff has met his match with the interruptions…. Whew! I admire his dedication. Most of these conversations are like talking to a wall and he manages to continue engaging.
8:30 right cross, left hook, uppercut, uppercut .
She just refuses to go down. I don’t know what is keeping her up!!
Satan
@@adalbertogomez3044 You are right
Please, can I ask people commenting here to speak about her as though she were reading your comments about her. Yes she is supporting the murder of unborn children and stands against Christ, however this is because she is dead in her trespasses and sins, like we once were, and some might still be. I pray she'll hear pleading in our comments instead of mocking. If she finds this video, I was once like you but was found by Christ! Turn to Him, repent and live. You know what you were saying is evil and wrong. I'm praying for you.
S Hickey she is a young woman of God, not knowing who she stands yet in Christ.
In the Bible there is a verse that says blessed are those that dash children on rocks , but true it is wrong even if such a verse exists. Including child sacrifices.
Jennifer Isaacs Hi Jennifer, I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
Lauren Castillo We can only pray she will be! God willing!
TheVeganChristian! Amen and thank you!
Wow. This lady is REALLY BLIND!!! So sad 😔
She is completely clueless. Will be praying for her 🙏
the same atheist lady asked the same questions to Frank Turek as well...
and we will be THINKING and REASONING for you..
Why?
AJ Maynard So true. For someone who claims to "not care" she spends an awful lot of effort to defend her irrational stance. Typical.
Prayer has never worked.
She seems to be able to side step the topic at hand as good as, or better than, any politician I have seen. She won't commit to anything, other than committing to nothing and when she finally is force to commit to something she simply says I don't want to talk about that and tries to change the subject again. I am surprised she can even walk in a straight line with all of the side stepping she does. Thanks for sharing and God bless.
When challenged to think about your worldly Philosophy it always breaks down to excuses😂
Love it! Blessings brother!
She is not really listening. Not really thinking seems smart enough but
Her logic is simply ridicules.
fluoride in the water is working
Ridiculous indeed!
Yea, she's not getting it. Are some people just blind always?
Jeff is the one not paying attention. She doesn’t wish to represent any other people whereas Jeff is fine with representing ALL Christians. Bias much?
blackestjake She is at an anti abortion march and claiming not to represent anyone or anything including her own thoughts or feelings... hmmm 😊
Praise the Lord! 🙏
Jeff, you should do a video on your past. How did you get so knowledgeable on Christianity?
We're you born into it? Did you study religion in college? I'm, though not very religious, very blown away by your knowledge and your ability to navigate and get your point across in all conversations!
Glory to God! Thank God for Apologia. 😇
I do believe he has a testimony video. Actually I’m positive he does cuz I’ve watched it. Very powerful testimony.
That's the holy spirit guiding his thoughts and words in order to get the will of the Lord across. Even though these videos rarely end with someone changing their minds the way the Lord uses this man plants seeds in their minds for the Lord to deal with them.
David Edwards absolutely Amen
Hey Steve he answers your question in a sermon he did. Type on the CZcams search Pastor Jeff the most shocking message
Really good conversation. Wish there were more folks out there willing to engage like this.
I completely disagree with this young woman, however I appreciate that she had a calm demeanor during the debate.
Jeff is so intelligent. Amazing ability to receive information, process it and response. Praise the Lord for him!
I was just thinking that, I have watched all his videos with Mormons, Atheists etc, and he keeps getting more and more intelligent! Praise God!
Embajador Cristiano de Basquetbol i know right! Very gifted speaker
We should all be defenders of the scriptures.
It's not just him friend, it is the Holy Spirit at work. Get out and engage, with The Holy Word, by Grace through faith, in CHRIST; you can do the same, as it is Not Us, Truly. Since all Authority has been given to The MASTER, We are to..?.
The Obedience of Faith!)
* 👑 * יהוה * 👑 * KING *YESHUA *👑 *
laura mellington
Okay, God bless you too.
Bruh look at Jeff's patience, it's so admirable. I can't even be this patient with a police officer. I need to work on myself lol.
I feel you man, like what kind of sanctifying of the holy spirit does it take to get this type of patients and meekness's, whilst simultaneously preaching the word with zealousness and authority is beyond me.
If you love someone, you won't lose patience with them. When you understand, *truly* understand, how much God loves you, and you look at a person, any person, and realize that God loves them just as much, who are you to love them any less? (that's not a challenge, I understand spiritual growth into the image of Christ is a process, and if you don't automatically feel a sincere, deep love for anyone and everyone, just pray, read scripture, and thank God for who he is and what he has done for you)
1 Corinthians 13:4-7:
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."
This guy Jeff understands the warfare....You gotta be patient with folks in the world cause the God of this world which is devil has blinded their minds....They are confused as heck....It's one big mess.
Nager McDuck works both ways there. We atheists get very aggrivated by generalizations, mischaractorization of our reasons, and it takes alot of patience while someone tells us how wrong we are, and will suffer for eternaity, and that they only threaten me because they love me. We are highly intelligent people, and run off logic and skepticism. We are extremely patient most of the time, but christians trigger me so bad because of the personal insults based of ignorance, and misguided understanding of what or who I am.
Trent Clancy:
If I may ask you this....what part of what Mr. Durbin stated to this girl in this video do you not agree with? Be specific to give time marks as it pertains to the video so we can go back and listen. Thanks.
This woman did a great job. This is a common issue. Atheism is simply a label placed on a lack of belief. I don’t understand why we have to have a label for not believing in something.
Watched "God's Not Dead" again last night. I liked when the student makes the argument, "If I took a test and cheated, and you failed me.... why?".
She’s a difficult one to win over to God’s Kingdom. She’s her own worst enemy.
Deborah 888 thank God she won’t go to the magic kingdom of lies and deceits
Deborah 888 Is she hurting anyone ?
Why is she an enemy to herself ? Just because she doesn't blindly believe in a bible thumping belief system ?
There is no god’s kingdom. It’s all made up out of old superstitions. Also, he does not allow her to finish ONE SINGLE SENTENCE. Check it out “with all respect and humility”
@@SeekerGoOn2013 OF Course he does not allow her to finish a sentence. All he is interested in is shoving his belief down her throat. These people are not interested in debates, only their own self righteousness..
@Big Bosseseses Your a butt hurt lunatic because the only evidence you can come up with is when your imaginary sky creature whispers in your ear..
"I don't believe in personal belief systems, and that's what I believe..."" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahaj, and she cant even grasp it. You cant trick God, the Word is with him, and the Word is He. You cant even think without Him, ahahahah.
What she probably should have said was “religious belief system”, as in theism. Everyone essentially has their own system of beliefs that they believe to be sound, not to be mistaken with worldview which is more philosophical.
In a sense i do get how christians would think that atheists hold a “belief” system but the fact is the atheist has a lack of belief in the theistic sense. I know its hard to believe but believe me that you dont need to believe theistic beliefs to believe in a belief that is atheistic. Lol i was just having fun with the previous sentence.
And the whole thing about morality is just ridiculous at this point, what people need to understand is that morality is a social construct, morality can only exist if there is something that can comprehend morality. Humans display morality and so do some animals purely because in a society the wellbeing of the group is beneficial to the individual. Yes, some people do lack the sense of morality or have differing opinions on what is morally right or wrong, and thats why morality is subjective. To say morality is contingent on a god is just wrong, i don’t believe in a god but i know if i murder someone it is not beneficial to society and i would then be subject to a punishment put in place by society, unless the person murdered was trying to murder me then self defense could be seen as morally right which is why morality is subjective.
@@Samartitxiki Can you clarify that last paragraph? It sounds like you think murder is wrong only because of the social implications and consequences...
ghouleh * If there is not a punishment for murder i still wouldn’t want to murder because i can understand that those people probably don’t want to be murdered just like i dont want to be murdered... everyone else should feel the same but sometimes people really want to murder so we punish those people usually by putting them in a place that removes them from society. But no, even if this punishment was not in place and there were no consequences of murder, i still would not do it because i would not want someone to think it ok to murder me.
Nim Boo thank you for that glimpse into your mind. I fully understand that some people may think like you, but I wholeheartedly hope that the people that are on the fence about their own beliefs can look at your comment and see an example of a tragic side-effect of religion.
Threats are not a very good conversion tactic, btw.
Insanity is defined as: extreme foolishness or irrationality
Synonymous with: loss of reason
Insanity is your religion.
For example:
It is irrational to put faith into an Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent being with no good evidence to support the claim that this being exists, accepting these claims based on the lack of compelling evidence indicates a flaw in your ability to reason.
Whereas atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods due to the insufficient evidence to reasonably make a definitive claim that such a being exists...... Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
"I'm not answering these questions"- busted. God Bless you Jeff Durbin- keep shining the light into dark corners of the world.
You are so good at answering these things immediately.
My ADHD brain is stopped in its tracks when it is asked a new question that hasn't been asked before, (but it is possible for me to answer it) and the other person in the room is expecting an immediate answer. It works better when I go away and think about it, or it's online.
this woman would be a Democrat in the States.
Roommate with Hillary
Mac Pelao There is no lift. Are right. Look st Trump he has done nothing but lie to us all. The Jews are taking over the world. Are. Trying too. I know 100%. I’m right.
@@cincoy3679 cin coy. Take an English class, grow a brain... Then come back and make a statement.
@@cincoy3679 you WRONG as hell cin cin.
Think I would rather be a democrat than blindly believe in some sky creature whom is just a figment of his imagination. What is it with you American Bible thumpers. You ever considered their may be something else than your blind belief in a bible ?
Dublin is craving the truth... As someone who lives here, the people have an incredible heart but need Jesus
Maybe she doesn't need a Jesus, maybe she is a good person without your Jesus..
@@trousersnake1841 there is no good without God. No one is good.
“So when is it ok to kill a child?”
“I....I’m not answering these questions...”
I wonder why it’s so hard to answer that questions? People are so blind and stubborn these days.
@Streetsdisciple001 Yes, it's okay to force a woman not to kill her baby.
Streetsdisciple001 it’s ok for the baby to be punished for the dads actions?
Streetsdisciple001 idk how about you ask a rapist? I’m not forcing them to do anything. I’m forcing the to not kill. Forgive me
Streetsdisciple001 she has every right to what?
Streetsdisciple001 the flesh can recreate the flesh but who can create a soul and a spirit to fill the body? See the baby isn’t the mother. When there is a car crash and a pregnant women dies, it is counted as 2 deaths. Abortion is wrong and deep down inside you you do know it you are suppressing the truth. I’m not angry I just want you to know right from wrong.
These conversations are brutally tragic. The lengths people go to validate nonsense is incredible.
Good job Pastor Jeff!! May Jesus Christ bless you.
"It may not be merely an opinion but it's still just your opinion."..Wow..just not possible to have a rational discussion with someone who speaks in circles. Spiritual intercession is needed.
Joe Christians speak in circles.
How can you have a respectable discussion with some American Bible thumper whom wont have nothing else than whats in his bible..?
What in the hell is she talking about!?
She makes absolutely NO SENSE!!!
This woman doesn’t know how to articulate herself because she doesn’t understand herself. I’d say she needs to perform an extensive self-evaluation. May God be with her.
Thanks jeff for all that you do. You have inspired me more than you'll ever know
Jeff is the Real Deal..true Man of God.
You are a child of God pastor Jeff! The devil cannot mislead those who are rooted in Jesus Christ.
Fair play to this woman. She wasnt triggered and engaged fairly
This girl doesn't know what she thinks.
Lets pray for her enlightenment. God bless her and you who read this. ~God is great all the time. All the time God is great.
@Bossmanham
Exactly. So it makes sense from a propagandistic standpoint to make a video of her and put her on your website to make yourself look good(yourself being Jeff Durbin), and to make her and Atheism look bad and act like she is some effective or substantial representative of Atheism and that refuting her means you've refuted Atheism in general.
Maybe, but guess what? She sounds like basically every millennial atheist I've ever talked to. So it's not surprising.
better than most in America!
but, you are correct, on the foundational level. What do you think?
Listening to her babbling was truly painful to watch. He handled it well.
James Sexton he handled what well.
He’s one of the biggest liars out there yet he claims the moral high ground as if Christians are honest.
He’s a total douchebag
This is the best we get from atheists--just whining when they realize that Christian can be intellectuals and destroy arguments--it's not really what they like. And in other cases, like exhibit A, you get false accusations. When worst comes to worst, name call--it makes the world better.
Mario Duenas provide some evidence or proof for your god then we might have something tangible to discuss.
Sometimes I wonder why I watch videos like this for that reason.
My OpenMind nah you atheists just dont understand how to have a civilized argument and when presented with valid facts contradicting you beliefs you just cower out like you are now
When she said how is it any different if a child is raped whether theres a God or not it doesnt change the outcome I would have said, "it does change the final outcome because in a world with a God there will be justice and punishment for the rapist and the innocent victim will be restored but in a world with no God neither would happen."
She reminds of many people I have tried to talk to about God. Some just go in circles and never admit they are wrong
Talk about irony 😂😂.
Pray for this woman.
prayer = i hope the best for you as long as i dont have to lift a finger or be inconvenienced.
@@DeathMerciless Thats not how prayer works
@@DeathMerciless lol!
@@DeathMerciless In this instance (in regards to this woman) 'Pray for her' means petition God to change her mind and let her see truth. (Because that is beyond our ability, especially in regards to someone we may never be able to speak to ourselves). The kind of petitioning through prayer that God describes He desires in and listens to in His Word.
"I'm not answering these heated questions". The cognitive dissonance induced triggering is real.
Not tryna place this man on a pedestal, but he’s definitely got a God-given gift!
The sad part of this is that this girl thinks she is some sort of intellectual?!! She obviously loves to hear herself speak! But she said absolutely nothing!
Sadly,
Andy
She was contradicting herself and making no sense. Her argument was weak
It breaks my heart when people always carefully choose their words to not want to say, child, baby, life.. they know exactly what they’re doing and thinking and are okay with it. But, you can tell they are angry and empty inside. No joy because they choose to deny what God has instilled in their hearts. 😔 Thank you for sharing this video. It was very insightful as her Point of view was interestingly broken down and she has no clue that she does have a belief system.
Harriet Guda They want to dehumanize the unborn so badly in order to dull their conscience.
Your supposed god insures that abortions are performed every day. Women lose children in and before childbirth all the time. It saddens me to see a channel like this with people clouded by religious brainwashing.
David Hopkins:
Why do you care?
TheJpgr1958 Do you really have to ask such a question? Doesn't everyone care about the fate of the world, society and the future of their families and humanity in general?? Doesn't everyone try to see the "Big Picture". Doesn't everyone want to have a healthy, open, happy cooperative society?
David Hopkins:
"Do you really have to ask such a question?"
Yes I do.
Your questions remind me of the scene from the second Terminator movie in which the boy Conner told the Terminator that he can't go around killing people. Every time Conner told the Terminator he can't kill people, the Terminator asked him the question "why?" Finally Conner ended the conversation with this: "Because you just can't, trust me." That really didn't answer the question did it?
So again, I ask the same question to you, why do you care?
She just wanted to say "truth doesn't matter" because we have been designed to know the truth is God so our most basic sin instinct is to flee from it, or make up comfortable lies to put ourselves above God.
A meaningful foundation for ethics doesn't require a supernatural backing.
“Belfast babble”..
Shamefully : ignorance of truth creates lack of conscience.
GOD was working.
Stand up 4 GOD! or Fall for everything.
Thank you Pastor. This is a very interesting debate. Keep up the good work.
I don't know how we got here. Neither do you
When you don't believe in God, ungodly things happen.
This is what you are left with, when an individuals ego, pride, creates a defensiveness, which egregiously shatters merely, listening and comprehension.
Pride precedes the fall.
Rather, this lady is abundantly concerned with, winning an argument, and not at all concerned with what is, fundamentally valuable.
Very intelligent and articulated preacher. I can see the power of God flow through you.
There is no God
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 how do you know?
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 That’s a bold claim. The burden of proof is now on you to disprove God’s existence because you made the claim. Unfortunately for you disproving God’s existence is unfalsifiable. Let’s see you prove me wrong. I’ll wait...
@@kreature7946
Yeah keep telling yourself that.
The only God you have is created in your own mind.
I must disprove God’s existence.
The statement God doesn’t exist is as equally true as the statement God exists,
God told me he didn’t exist.
I just disagree with you, but has nothing to back up her stuff 🤔
Paulina Coronado nothing to back up that God is a dick but everything points to him being a weak asshole who uses humans to create wars.
@Aly :0 RIGHT because science has a final answer as to where we came from. You say science has the answers but the ones who believe in the big bang for example can't even explain who "caused" the big bang.
@@alexrose8299 "Create wars"? We blaming God for things we do? I suppose to you we really are cell clumps with no value. Why complain about atrocities with "moral claims" over the religious, when it all simply comes down to being a subjective opinion from one clump of cells--in a vast spectrum of many other secular clumps of cells?
@Aly R To back her subjective claims. What point is she exactly trying to make? It's baffling how she's trying to reason with no reason :S
Those who disrespect the one true God : keep talkin .. I guar your knees will bow on judgement day
im from dublin, and i appreciate this pastor doing gods work in my country, keep it up.
Great patience Jeff toward a pseudo intellectual. 🙄
It's really hard to have a discussion with someone who keeps interrupting you...
It's hard to have a discussion if you're not willing to change your mind. If you don't have an open mind then you can't debate, because you're not being fair to your current beliefs and allowing them to be potentially wrong. This woman is smart, but she isn't willing to allow her beliefs to be challenged, she tries a number of techniques to affirm her position: pivoting to avoid answering, trying not to take a clear position to confusingly refute his position, ect.
Fantastic honest conversation, she is confused about life but honest about it.
Ireland needs a great revival to turn to Jesus. Please pray for us
This doesn’t seem too much like an argument more like a conversation. Nothing BOMBASTICALLY LOUD but just a chill talk.
Praise God for this excellent argumentation.
That would be the fraud of apologetics.
You have a wonderful discipline to patiently and respectfully present logical argument to someone without losing your cool. I pray for that for myself.
It's the part of being a Christian. Check out Galations 5:22-23
Bryan120000 : Amen. It is the fruit of the Spirit, something we all have as Christians. This guy has mastered it to maturity.
My Sincere RESPECT for Pastor Jeff,, well prepared, educated, patient and has the necessary zeal to invite people to question their belief system.. It's great how he has the approach and people respond well to him and not overreact that's a gift
I just wish he had the honesty to examine his own beliefs and see that there aren't any logical arguments for belief in god(s). I do agree that he's quite patient and kind in his talks, but there's a lot of dishonesty there too (like all the time spent insisting on talking about atheists claiming gods don't exist, when most atheists are simply non-believers and when you google "atheist definition" you see it's just lack of belief or disbelief in any gods.)